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Offline Replicant

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2003, 05:53:45 PM »
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Mosquito Mk VI Squadron Leader Robert Allan Kipp, navigator Flying Officer B. P. Haletsky


Belonging to 418 (City of Edmonton) Sqn, RAF, in June 1944.
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2003, 07:58:20 PM »
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F4Us

F4U1  Lt. Jg James Halford, VF-17  USS Bunker Hill, August 1943



Sunny Jim Halford's? Bless you, Tiff! :D
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2003, 09:15:06 PM »
Great thread.  Wonder if some day skin description also could be a last sentence or first sentence add-on for each of the Planes/Vehicles/Boats in the Game Overview of Aces High General Help?
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2003, 10:20:16 PM »
Thanks Karnak.  I didn't know which Finnish ace it was marked as. I didn't believe it was genaric but I just didn't know :)

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Guppy35,

The Bf109G-2's markings are not generic.  They are the markings of Eino Ilmari Juutilainen' Bf109G-2.  Juutilainen was a 94 kill ace and the top Finnish scorer.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2003, 11:45:53 PM »
Wow guppy, you have an Encyclopedia of WW2 planes or something?? :eek: That's very impressive research! Many thanks to all of you!

 Here's what we've got so far:

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A6M2: 251 Kokutai/'42/Hiroyoshi Nishizawa(Lt jg)
(A6M2: ? / ? / Saburo Sakai)

A6M5b: 203 Kokutai/'44/Tetsuzo Iwamoto(Lt)
(A6M5b:653 Kokutai, Kagoshima/ ? / ?)

Bf 109E-4: 7/JG26 Caffiers, France/Aug '40/Joachem Muenchberg(Oblt)

Bf 109F-4: Stab III/JG2 Caen, France/Nov '41/Hans "Assi" Hahn(Hptm)

Bf 109G-2 - LeLv34?/ ? /Illmari "Illu" Juutilainen(Eino)

Bf 109G-6 - 6/JG52 Deutsch Brod, Czecheslovakia/Sept '44/Erich Hartmann(Hptm)

Bf 109G-10 - Stab IV/JG4 Finsterwalde, Germany/Nov '44/Franz Wienhusen(Hptm)

Bf 110C-4b

Bf 110G-2

C.202: 10Gruppo/'42/Franco Lucchini(?)

C.205: 16Gruppo/'43/Adriono Visconti(?)

F4U-1: VF-17, USS Bunkerhill/Aug '43/James Halford(Lt. Jg)

F4U-1C: ? / ? / ?

F4U-1D: VF-84, USS Bunkerhill/Feb '45/Roger Hedrick(Lt Cdr./CO)

F4U-4: USMC VMF 222, Okinawa/Jun '45/Ken Walsh(Cpt)

F4F-4: VMF-121/1942/Joseph Foss(Captain)

F6F-5: "Minsi II", VF-15, USS Essex/'44/David McCampbell(Cdr)

FM2: ? / ? / ?

Fw 190A-5: 2./Jg54, "Grunherz" / ? /Otto Kittel(Lt. , Staffelkapitan)

? / ? / Otto Kittel

Fw 190A-8 - Jg26/ '44 / Josef "Pips" Priller(Oblt)

Fw 190D-9:Stab./Jg6 / ? /Gerhard Barkhorn(Maj)

Hurricane MkI: No.33 Sqn/'41/Thomas Pattle(Sqn Ldr)
(Hurricane MkI: 501 Sqn, Hawkinge /Aug, '40/K.N. T. Lee(F/L))

Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?

Hurricane IID: 6 Sqn, Desert Air Force RAF, Shandur/'42/Sidi Heneish

Ki-61-I-KAIc: 244th Sentai/'45/Kobayashi Teruhiko(Capt)

La-5FN: 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA./ ? /Ivan Kozhedub

La-7: 32GvIAP, 3GvIAD, 1GvIAK, Latvia/Sep '44/Victor Orekhov(Maj)

Mosquito Mk VI: "Black Rufe" 418th Sqn "City of Edmonton", RAF/Jun '44/Robert Allan Kipp(Sq.Ldr), B. P. Haletsky(FO)

Me 163: ? / ? / ?

Me 262: ? / ? /Adolf Galland

N1K2-J: 343rd Kokutai/'45/Shoichi Sugita(Chief Petty Officer)

P-38L - "Pudgy IV"/431st FS, 475th FG, 5th AF/Dec '44/Thomas McGuire(Major)

P-40B

P-40E

P-47D-11: 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF /Feb '44 /Francis Gabreski(Maj)

P-47D-25: Forca Aerea Brasillera FAB, attached to 350th FG, 12th AF/'44~'45/ ?
(P-47D-25: Green Squadron 1* GAvCa/ ? /Rui Moreira(1st Ten Av))


P-47D-30: 397th FS, 368th FG, 9th AF/'44~'45/ ?

P-51B: "Shangri La"/336th FS, 4th FG, 8th AF Debden, England/Apr '44/Don Gentile(Cpt)

P-51D: "Cripes a Mighty"/328th FS, 352nd FG, 8th AF, Belgium/Dec '44/George Preddy(Maj)

Seafire IIC: ? / ? / ?

Spitfire Mk IA: 603 Sqn., Hornchurch/ September 1940/ ?
(Spitfire MkIA: 74 Sqn/'41/Adolph Malan(Flight Ldr))

Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)
(Spitfire V: 249 Sqn/'42/George Beurling(PO))

Spitfire Mk IX: 303 Sqn. PAF, Northolt/ June 1943/Jan Falkowski(S/L )
(Spit Mk IX: No.610 Sqn./'43/James Johnson(Commander))

Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)

Ta 152H-1: Stab/JG301 /Mar '45/Willi Reschke(Ob.fwbl)

Tempest V: "Le Grand Charles"/3 Squadron, Volkel Holland/Spring '45/Pierre Closterman(L)

Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)

Yak-9T

Yak-9U


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 The VVS planes are almost unaccounted for, and a lot of contradicting info with Spits and Hurris :) Some contradictions with A6M2 too, and the Fw190s are almost all stil free.

 Damn, where do you guys get all that info so quick? It takes like 3 days for me to find just one matching plane? :D
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2003, 11:47:20 PM »
Also, is the "Eino" in front of Illmari Juutilainen's name a rank, or a first name? What about "Sidi Heinesh"? Is that a pilot name, or a squad name? Or is it a certain base name? :confused:
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2003, 12:20:15 AM »
Kweasea,

I guarantee that James Edgar Johnson was not the pilot of our Spitfire Mk IX.

His Spitfire Mk IX was lettered JEJ and did not have the Polish insignia on it.

Our Spitfire Mk IX is Jan Falkowski's.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2003, 01:13:03 AM »
Ok, I'll admit it. I  misread the first post and thought you were looking for top aces who flew those plane types, not the pilots who's paint jobs cover the planes in the game. Who the heck's got time to research all those paint schemes!

Keeping that in mind here are a couple more to fill in the empty slots


P-40?    AVG/1941/David Hill (?)
P-40?    17th Pursuit Sqdn/1941/Boyd Wagner
P-40?     V V S /1941/Boris Safonov(?)
Yak9T     Normandie-Niemen Regt(Free French)/1944/Rene Challe(Capt)

Soviet  top aces flew Yak 1, 3 or 7, P-39's and P-40's
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2003, 01:28:58 AM »
Karnak, if you post the tail code and AC type in the http://www.j-aircraft.org forums they should be able to tell you the details. It's how I found out our -5b is carrying a bomber's tail number.




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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2003, 04:40:02 AM »
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Here's what we've got so far:

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Hurricane MkI: 501 Sqn, Hawkinge /Aug, '40/K.N. T. Lee(F/L))

Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?

Hurricane IID: 6 Sqn, Desert Air Force RAF, Shandur/'42/Sidi Heneish

Seafire IIC: ? / ? / ?

Spitfire Mk IA: 603 Sqn., Hornchurch/ September 1940

Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)

Spitfire Mk IX: 303 Sqn. PAF, Northolt/ June 1943/Jan Falkowski(S/L )

Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)

Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)

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 The VVS planes are almost unaccounted for, and a lot of contradicting info with Spits and Hurris :) Some contradictions with A6M2 too, and the Fw190s are almost all stil free.

 Damn, where do you guys get all that info so quick? It takes like 3 days for me to find just one matching plane? :D


The above are the correct squadrons.

Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?  1 Sqn had Hurr IICs between July '41 & Sep '42 so this plane would have been based at either Tangmere or Acklington.  I still can't find who flew it, but 1 Sqn are based where I work so I'll see if I can dig into their history room! ;)

Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)  This squadron also moved to Gravesend between 28 July 41 to 24 Sep 41 before going back to Biggin Hill for 3 weeks, then off to Digby and Duxford.

Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)  I'm a little confused by this one.  No doubt it is Colin Gray's plane, with his CG initials on the side, but the RNZAF were not issued with Spit 14s and Lympne didn't have any RNZAF squadrons there either.  Therefore Colin Gray was a RNZAF pilot but the plane, being part of a wing, must have been on the strength of either 41 Sqn, 350 Sqn, or 610 Sqn which were the only squadrons at Lympne in Oct '44 with Spit 14s.  These squadrons would most likely have been part of 'his' wing.  I'll try and dig out which Wing he commanded, i.e. J R Baldwin commanding 146 Wing.

Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)  The 'DSO' & 'DFC' should follow J R Baldwin's name as they are his medals.
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2003, 05:03:42 AM »
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well, Id say I did
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2003, 05:40:54 AM »
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Also, is the "Eino" in front of Illmari Juutilainen's name a rank, or a first name? What about "Sidi Heinesh"? Is that a pilot name, or a squad name? Or is it a certain base name? :confused:


Bf 109 G-2 - LentoLaivue 34/1943-1944/Ilmari Juutilainen

Eino is his first name. Eino Ilmari Juutilainen, callname Illu.
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2003, 06:37:14 AM »
Ju-88 is from  5 Staffel III ./KG51, no info on the crew however.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2003, 10:53:24 PM »
Nexx,

regarding the Spit XIV.  Colin Gray was the Wing Commander flying of the crowd you mentioned including 41 Squadron.  I said RNZAF as he was a New Zealander, not because they had Spit XIVs.  He flew the aircraft of the wing when needed as for example he flew the Spit XII when he went up with 41 Squadron in August 44.  On one occcasion he suffered and engine failure in an XII MB875 and nearly ground looped it when he had to abort the take off.  41 got XIVs in time for Arnhem and flew their first ops on and around September 17th, 44

So he was Wing Co flying based out of Lympne.  I don't have my books handy or I'd give you the Wing number too.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2003, 10:58:24 AM »
Hey Dan

Thanks for the info, at least I managed to narrow it down to one of the correct squadrons! :)
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