Author Topic: This war on terrorism is bogus (Read 2050 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** September 06, 2003, 09:18:01 PM »

Of course not. But they would have been in far worse sahpe without the USA. Russia would have been defeated without. In fact they were nearly at the end of their manpower in 1944 as it was imagine if there was no western front. And no serious western offenive was possible withput the USA either in NE, Italy even NA.

No single power or alliance of nations was in a position to defeat germany without the USA taking part.

Martlet · « **Reply #31 on:** September 06, 2003, 09:18:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Pei
Without The UK and in particular the USSR the War could not have been won: the US couldn't have done it by itself. The attitude that the US won the War by itself is incredible insulting to those of us outside the US who lost family members.

It's easy to say what would or wouldn't have happened, but it's all just speculation.

What DID happen, though, was everyone getting their butts kicked, including the Russians, until we entered the war.

Pei · « **Reply #32 on:** September 06, 2003, 09:40:39 PM »

Martlet that isn't quite true:

The US got it's arse kicked in the pacific until Midway and the UBoat war in the Atlantic went badly for the allies until 1943.

I'm not saying that the US wasn't the major player (particularly in terms of arms and global presence, if not number of troops). I am saying that victory in WWII was achived by the Allies, and considering how slim some of the margins were (for example at the Normandy beachhead) every ally was vital.
The US did not and could not win the War by itself, neither could any of the others either. The tendancy of a small minority of Americans to consider everone else as a bit player, if at all, is not only wrong but highly offensive (I am tempted to think deliberately so by some people on this board ). Some countries fought longer against greater odds, scarificing more lives, wealth and materiel in terms of the size of thier populations (and came out of the War in a much worse state becuase of it).

Martlet · « **Reply #33 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:07:11 PM »

That isn't true at all. We got caught sleeping at Pearl Harbor, and that set us back. We were ill equipped to enter the war. Sheer stupidity on our part. Once we got the war machine rolling we kicked butt on BOTH fronts. At the same time.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #34 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:08:13 PM »

I think the best thing that can be said about the US's 4th quarter appearance in the war in Europe is that it at least gave the Germans someone else to surrender to. Rather than the Soviets, who would have just as soon shot them in the face before raping and pillaging the rest of Germany.

Martlet · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:14:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Erlkonig
I think the best thing that can be said about the US's 4th quarter appearance in the war in Europe is that it at least gave the Germans someone else to surrender to. Rather than the Soviets, who would have just as soon shot them in the face before raping and pillaging the rest of Germany.

Until the US entered the war, the allies were getting their butts kicked. Including the Russians.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #36 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:14:31 PM »

Erlkoning your hatred for this country is simply stunning.

And dont give me any of this "i'm a patriot becuse I love to criticize my country" bull**** either. You spare no opportunity to bash American contribution and culture no matter what and when. You are sick.

Martlet · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:15:28 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Erlkoning your hatred for this country is simply stunning.

And dont give me any of this "i'm a patriot becuse I love to criticize my country" bull**** either. You spare no opportunity to bash American contribution and culture no matter what and when. You are sick.

I agree. You can tell when someone's hatred blurs reason when they can't even give credit where it's due.

SOB · « **Reply #38 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:31:31 PM »

You're a small man, 10bears. Crawl back into your hole.

SOB

-tronski- · « **Reply #39 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:43:49 PM »

What utter rubbish.

What Pei posted was entirely correct.

The first German defeats were by Soviet, and Commonwealth forces, and both of these armies were the ones to 'turn' the tide against the Germans on those respective fronts.
The Australians were the ones who stopped the Japanese army advance in the pacific fighting over the Owen Stanely ranges.

If I remember correctly the US spent a large part of 1942 retreating just like everyone else had.
At least Pei had the decency to remember the large part Everyone on the allied side played.

A decency that some fail to have.

Tronsky

osage · « **Reply #40 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:45:10 PM »

Martlet · « **Reply #41 on:** September 06, 2003, 11:16:43 PM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
What utter rubbish.

What Pei posted was entirely correct.

The first German defeats were by Soviet, and Commonwealth forces, and both of these armies were the ones to 'turn' the tide against the Germans on those respective fronts.
The Australians were the ones who stopped the Japanese army advance in the pacific fighting over the Owen Stanely ranges.

If I remember correctly the US spent a large part of 1942 retreating just like everyone else had.
At least Pei had the decency to remember the large part Everyone on the allied side played.

A decency that some fail to have.

Tronsky

Not surprisingly, you DON'T remember correctly. The US won the battle of Coral Sea in May of 1942, then ended the Japanese advance on June 8th of 1942 with the victory at midway. The fighting at Owen Stanley ranges didn't begin until the end of July, 1942.

While the allies in Europe certainly had some victories, when the US entered the war, London was still being bombarded and the Russians were still evacuating cities.

Dune · « **Reply #42 on:** September 06, 2003, 11:22:09 PM »

And we must believe everything we read:

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The OMEGA File
THE BEGINNING

"...Another figure has an EVIL face... 'HE LOOKS LIKE A GERMAN NAZI. HE'S A NAZI... HIS EYES! HIS EYES. I'VE NEVER SEEN EYES LIKE THAT BEFORE!!!"

The above quote was made under regressive hypnosis by one of the first publicized 'UFO abductees', Barney Hill who -- along with his wife Betty -- claimed to have been abducted by grey-skinned entities from a space craft which apparently originated from the Zeta II Reticuli star system. The Grey alien abductors were obviously working with the human military officer who was encountered by Barney. This military officer was apparently a full-fledged Nazi, although this incident took place over 15 years after Europe had 'supposedly' been de-Nazified. This quote can be found in the paranormal encyclopedia "MYSTERIES OF THE MIND, TIME & SPACE", p. 1379.

The Omega File

Erlkonig · « **Reply #43 on:** September 06, 2003, 11:35:07 PM »

GRUNHERZ, I think I've mentioned this before, but your "you hate America, you just hate it! " line is getting more than a little tired and hollow (as well as being a lie, in this case). The Soviet Union won the war in Europe more than anyone else. That is a fact. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's true. Maybe you and Martlette can go form a therapy group.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #44 on:** September 06, 2003, 11:38:20 PM »

Without the USA the soviets would have lost.