IL2 FM vs. AH FM?

[Pooh21]

Something I notice about Il-2 lately, Once you get the thing trimmed proper you can shoot. Though it doesnt like staying in trim. I was flying a P-39 and taking 1.2k potshots at an He-111. I'd then slow it to 1/4 speed and switch to the 111s external. My shot would come in fly an inch or so over his wing and graze the front end. Next one passed a foot by top turret and then went between engine nacelle and fuselage.  3rd went between Horizontal stabilizer and wing.  In AH you can fire a 3 round burst at the plane and ALL will hit the wing.  When I shoot at the wing in Il-2 at 300 maybe 1 in 20 shots hit.

I prefer AH though in one way, when I trim my plane its trimmed. Instead of Il2s trim simulation.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Rutilant
It seems to me, that for some reason IL2 (Sturmovik, not sure of FB) has a much higher quality FM than AH? It seems much more realistic.. possibly from how it takes away from the  "flying-by-rail" feel AH seems to achieve. Mostly for me, it just feels more real, planes don't turn around in a quarter of a second like some do in AH (IL2 in AH takes about half a second.)

I dunno, really. I'de just like to hear some opinions, reasons why it feels so much better.

Ever flown before?

[Creamo]

Im sure he has lotsa time in FW's Rude.

Get to the the point that you aren't going to make very well.

[Toad]

For me, it's the incredible effect that proper cowl flap management has on an engagement. The true aces were masters of the cowl flaps. There's some great books out there about cowl flappers.

[Creamo]

Alright toad, you've been tugging on my pant leg for 4 months on that one. Every good puppy that yips and yaps often enough finally gets my attention... out of pure annoyance.

So explain the cowl flap thing and be done. I'd assume it's because you haven't bought FB and it's a goof on a stupid computer games attempt at realism.

But do explain already. Or get all excited that I noticed you and don't.

[Toad]

Tweaked.

[Kaz]

Il2 FB has some nice touches but then it requires a fairly decent machine to run properly for most of the eye candy. From what I've seen of AH2, it'll be pretty close to FB minus some visual effects.
Il2 FB can afford to have all that eye candy because it's not a MMOG so for what it's worth, I think HTC is gonna come out doing really well with AH2.

The one thing that I like about Il2 and would love to see incorporated into AH2 are the hits and how they're represented.

I've watched ww2 gunnery footage and I must say that Il2 comes pretty darn close to what I've seen depicted in those films.
The smoke from cannon hits is great along with the little explosions from cannon rounds and of course the smoke contrails from the cannon rounds, all very well done.

Using MGs in Il2 is kinda sucky at least from what I've seen by the AI, was watching a p47 unload on a 190, it takes loads of MG rounds I'm talking 10 second bursts, quite a bit hitting the target nicking it to pieces but not doing much damage.

Just did some flying in a p47 against a 190 and some buffs in FB, didn't have any trouble downing them, must've been a sucky AI pilot that I mentioned in previous paragraph.

There are the occasional lucky shots where the guns take a wing off  or saw a plane in half but it doesn't happen very often IMO. Guess I'll have to find out for myself, I've only been flying cannon/cannon and MG planes since the latest version came out.

As for the FMs, I prefer AH though FB has improved a lot, still think E bleed during maneuvers in FB doesn't 'feel' right, could be my incorrect perception of what it 'should be like' and the fact that I'm not accustomed to reading KPH though.

[Ecliptik]

The only major flight difference that comes to mind between IL-2 and AH is the lack of combat trim in IL-2 and the resulting fact that the neutral stick position will cause some change in attitude in IL-2, depending on your airspeed.  I actually find this unrealistic, because in real flight, the plane shouldn't start to move by itself as airspeed changes, it's the neutral position of the stick that becomes off-center.  Since a computer joystick never changes its neutral position, the reverse happens in a flight sim, making maintaining simple level flight more complicated than in should be.  Since some aircraft in IL-2 don't even have trim tabs, it can be very aggravating.