Author Topic: I'm all for national security, but this... (Read 1387 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #30 on:** September 09, 2003, 09:47:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
... the land of the free ...

Does anyone of u go into a library to borrow books or magazines?

I do.

I've been reading Sci Fi with a Conservative bent, so I'm probably safe.

Still, this idea is moronic regardless of who the waste of skin that thought it up is.

vorticon · « **Reply #31 on:** September 09, 2003, 09:54:34 PM »

???you pretty much already cant cross the border if you have a criminal record so why bother???

and what good are id checks if you have a very nice fake biirthcertificate Social insurance number provided by the goverment of your country of origin

anyway whats stopping a terrorist from using the subway system in some way next time...or driving his car into the lobby packed with explosives...

SaburoS · « **Reply #32 on:** September 09, 2003, 10:03:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Pilot program. I wouldn't worry about it. The Facial Recognition camera's failed miserably, this will too. Naturally, someone will blame this on Bush.

.....or Clinton.

AKIron · « **Reply #33 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:08:52 PM »

Ya gotta draw the line somewhere. If ya let red sticker people through, what next? Blue stickers? Purple stickers? Where will it end?

Bodhi · « **Reply #34 on:** September 10, 2003, 06:24:54 AM »

This will be beaten down by the ACLU...

ohh and Rip, I am horrifed too.... I agree with Creamo as well... yikes, AH2 must definitely be coming.

Fishu · « **Reply #35 on:** September 10, 2003, 06:34:06 AM »

Some people surely are forgetting what the 'freedom' meant when they're thinking up something which discriminates people this much...
Getting close to those hated facistic and communistic systems

...but this will probably be forgotten as a useless idea.

Although they seem to be already doing the profiling behind the scene, when they for example require foreign airliners to hand over passenger information etc.

Westy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:59:10 AM »

Yes, comrade. h (just practicing)

Brother H!
It is doubleplus good to see you. Watch that crimethink!

(practicing too

)

Horn · « **Reply #37 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:39:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
Yes, comrade. h (just practicing)

Brother H!
It is doubleplus good to see you. Watch that crimethink!

(practicing too )

Nice to see ya back up in the virtual air!

h

Twist · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2003, 05:01:20 AM »

Good gawd, the ACLU will be all over this and call it profiling.

Because of my size and appearance (G'ma was Cherokee) I'm already treated like a damn convict wearing stripes when I fly, this will surely improve things.

Sometimes I think all the new security is exactly what the terrorists wanted.

Stay on your toes, can't let them go too far.

beet1e · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2003, 05:51:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
This isn't Israel, and I certainly hope it never gets to the point that we have to do what their national airlines (El Al ?) has to do.

You say this isn't Israel, but there are more Jews living in NY than in Israel.

El Al security checks are probably the best in the world. Many years ago (about 15-20) a middle eastern terrorist who had got an Irish girl pregnant set up that same girl as an unwitting bomb courier on an El Al flight. The girl passed through airport security, but the heavily disguised bomb was detected in El Al's own security checks, and disaster was averted. Pity the poor girl though. The a-hole who set her up had promised marriage and other great things, and then did this.

AFAIK it was this particular incident that led to security asking the routine question about whether you are carrying anything that someone else has given you.

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2003, 09:18:49 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e

El Al security checks are probably the best in the world.

Yeah... the efficiency is amazing... I imagine that U.S. airport security would be every bit as good if we had just five flights per day.

Sundiver · « **Reply #41 on:** September 11, 2003, 09:44:46 AM »

I have to wonder about this "type" of security though. How many cons if onboard an airplane that was hijacked like that would do everything in their power to stop the hijacker?

How many cons are interested in hijacking an aircraft? There's a far cry between someone who murdered someone and did his/her time and someone intent upon killing hundreds if not thousands of people with a flying gastank.

Macchi.

Dinger · « **Reply #42 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:32:29 PM »

you gotta love bureaucrats. The Delta airlines pilot program would have been disastrous for them. Can you imagine what would happen to an airline that suddenly started giving additional harassment to 8 percent of its passengers and refused boarding to 1-2 percent? Word-of-mouth is also a force multiplier. This plan strikes me as a dead letter. Yeah, the ACLU is against it; so are most US citizens. But the airline bean-counters are going to make this system unworkable. 1-2% of passengers? Do you have any idea what their profit margin is? Now you're going to take away another 1% and add the expenses of dealing with these guys.

so there's something in this plan for everyone to dislike:
it violates our basic liberties, it's extremely expenses, and it's ineffective. DOA I say.