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« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2003, 03:10:25 AM »
Have you been following the Hutton enquiry, Toad? Has it been covered at all, in the States?
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« Reply #106 on: September 10, 2003, 03:19:52 AM »
Actually, not much at add Toad.

It seems we both agree that the UN needs to be fixed, pretty much and no brainer.

However, I don't that gives a member state the right to violate the Charter.  I'm also frustrate that the US is one of the countries that stymies attemps to make the changes, especially when it comes to changing the make up of the Security Council.

Understandable though, I suppose, that veto has got to be pretty damn attractive.


Edit: "And, as I've said before, there's more Americans than just myself that are waiting for the WMD to show up. I'm more patient than a lot of the 90 day wonders that post here for sure. "

Have you put a time limit on how long you will wait, before you decide when they won't show?  If so, how long?
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« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2003, 03:23:26 AM »
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we had 12 years of "diplomatic action" 12 years or CLEAR CUT UN resolutions. 12 years man.


How many WMD´s did he use during these 12 years? No WMD´s have been found yet right?

Kill Saddam allredy and get the heck out of dodge...
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« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2003, 04:10:49 AM »
I don't see a reason for Saddam to spend his money on WMD, which he cannot use without the western world coming after him...
so only use for WMD would been against the coalition troops, who would have most likely come after him because of the WMD.

He simply wasn't the type.. he preferred to stay in power rather than commit a practical suicide.

I doubt he cared much for the WMD after the first visit by the coalition.

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« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2003, 04:34:39 AM »
Swedish newspaper reported last week that 7 out of 10 Americans thinks that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attack....

:rolleyes:
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« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2003, 08:31:13 AM »
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Swedish newspaper reported last week that 7 out of 10 Americans thinks that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attack....

:rolleyes:


You can fool most of the people some of the time.  White House spin doctors worked overtime on this one and, apparently, finally got the results they wanted to see.

Geobbels would be proud.

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« Reply #111 on: September 10, 2003, 08:35:11 AM »
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Have you put a time limit on how long you will wait, before you decide when they won't show?  If so, how long?


Yes. I'll start writing legislators next Spring, around the one year point. I won't be voting for Bush in the Fall if nothing shows up and I'll be working against him as well.
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« Reply #112 on: September 10, 2003, 04:15:06 PM »
Maniac asked:
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How many WMD´s did he use during these 12 years? No WMD´s have been found yet right?



From the Physicians for Human Rights pages  (you can find this info anywhere though)

BOSTON, MA (April 29, 1993) - For the first time ever, scientists have been able to prove the use of chemical weapons through the analysis of environmental residues taken years after such an attack occurred. In a development that could have far-reaching consequences for the enforcement of the chemical weapons treaty, soil samples taken from bomb craters near a Kurdish village in northern Iraq by a team of forensic scientists have been found to contain trace evidence of nerve gas.

The samples were collected on June 10, 1992 by a forensic team assembled by the Boston-based Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) and the New York-based Middle East Watch (MEW), a division of Human Rights Watch (HRW). The samples were forwarded to the Chemical & Biological Defence Establishment (CBDE) of Great Britain's Ministry of Defence at Porton Down which analyzed them.

Eyewitnesses have said that Iraqi warplanes dropped three clusters each of four bombs on the village of Birjinni on August 25, 1988. Observers recall seeing a plume of black, then yellowish smoke, followed by a not-unpleasant odor similar to fertilizer, and also a smell like rotten garlic. Shortly afterwards, villagers began to have trouble breathing, their eyes watered, their skin blistered, and many vomited--some of whom died. All of these symptoms are consistent with a poison gas attack.

"These scientific results prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Iraqi government has consistently lied to the world on denying that these attacks occurred," said PHR and HRW. "They also send a clear signal that chemical weapons attacks cannot be launched in the belief that the natural elements will quickly cover up the evidence."

According to scientists at Porton Down, the discovery marks "the first time that we have found evidence in soil samples of traces of the degradation products of nerve agent." In addition to degradation products of nerve agents, the samples also yielded significant amounts of the degradation products of mustard gas.

Alastair Hay, a consultant to PHR and Senior Lecturer in Chemical Pathology at the University of Leeds, said, "This discovery not only confirms eyewitness accounts and medical examinations of Kurdish people that nerve gas as well as mustard gas were used against them, but it also has enormous implications for the effectiveness of the chemical weapons treaty." While inspection teams from the United Nations Special Commission have found both mustard and nerve agents stored in Iraq, as well as munitions containing them, the samples from Birjinni show they were actually used, Hay said.
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« Reply #113 on: September 11, 2003, 03:06:36 AM »
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1993


Thats almost 11 years ago...
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« Reply #114 on: September 15, 2003, 07:26:48 PM »
When did the Iraqis first claim they didn't have VMDs?