Author Topic: Terrains - give Skuzzy a break (Read 1480 times)

grnhornt · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:27:03 AM »

DMAX is right. The rest of you people are a bunch of idots with foul mouths. Get a life!

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:41:10 AM »

the small maps don't get equal time.
lazs

Rutilant · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:44:22 AM »

That's because small maps royally suck.

~Pyroman~ · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:47:24 AM »

Come on guys let's not make this a flame war...lol.

We are a tight community, and I wuv you guys!! *sniffle*

Zazen13 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:57:19 AM »

It's a consumer rights issue. Complaining about a service that is less than satisfactory is a right. Whether one goes above and beyond a certain point is a subjective determination. Look at it this way. Say you go to McDonald's, you order a Big Mac, you get your Big Mac. Well, the 16 year old punk making your Big Mac thinks it's funny to put a a fly in it, then shoots a snot rocket in it for good measure. Being a conscientous consumer, and seeing the smirk on the kid's face when you get your sandwich you check it. There you find your dead fly and booger.

Do you say, "Excuse me kind sir, there is a dead fly and booger in my Big Mac, if you don't mind could you please consider giving me one without some time in the distant future, only if you feel like it?"

Hell no, you say , "This is totally rediculous, I pay for a quality product, the fact that you and your company provided me with a product that myself and any other reasonable customer find totally unacceptable is unforgivable, fix it now, or hear from my lawyer".

Too many people today are willing to accept products and services that are not all they can be, simply because the provider of those products and services is blinded by their temporary success and becomes so complacent that the customer's voice is not heard.

Many, many people have voiced their disgruntlement with Pizza map on these boards with no response. When no response or mitigation of the problem is provided it is natural to take ones complaints to another medium and up the intensity a notch.

In summary, pizza map is a big hairy fly swimming a green booger in my Big Mac that is Aces High, my favorite hobby. Everytime this map comes up, the provider of this service for which I am paying is going to hear me rant and rave, period. Until the day it is fixed (ie: no more pizza map in rotation, or at least not a week of it, 25% of the month).

Rutilant · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2003, 10:01:32 AM »

no one's forcing you to pay..

BlauK · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2003, 10:09:41 AM »

Small maps are the best. Now they are there for 1 week only and someone dares to whine about them

I'd rather see it one week of large maps rotating and one week of small ones... thus something for everyone.

beet1e · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2003, 10:15:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Many, many people have voiced their disgruntlement with Pizza map on these boards with no response. When no response or mitigation of the problem is provided it is natural to take ones complaints to another medium and up the intensity a notch.

In summary, pizza map is a big hairy fly swimming a green booger in my Big Mac that is Aces High, my favorite hobby. Everytime this map comes up, the provider of this service for which I am paying is going to hear me rant and rave, period. Until the day it is fixed (ie: no more pizza map in rotation, or at least not a week of it, 25% of the month).

That's a highly subjective viewpoint. It's a bit like berating a hotel because you don't like the colour of the carpet in the room they gave you. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the colour, just that you personally might not like it.

Same goes for the pizza map. Your talking about it as if there's something wrong with it. I like the pizza map because it eliminates a lot of the crap (virtual kiddie pie throwing) to be seen on the small maps.

No way can you adjudge what's right and what's wrong by reading a relative handful of BBS posts. The ONLY way to assess the popularity of Pizza or any other map is by HTC popup poll. If that were less than 25% for pizza, I'd say get rid of it. Otherwise, it should be kept. Same goes for all other maps, except that the small maps form a collective.

~Pyroman~ · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2003, 10:16:18 AM »

Zazen you have every right to say that bro!

Just not over and over and over...lol.

Manedew · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2003, 10:41:24 AM »

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Originally posted by SunKing
Disagree with you Skuzzy cheerleaders. There are many rotations HTC can try. 1 week of pizza isn't cool.

sun king is right ... plus old way was even less work for skuzzy ....

yes there are many problems with pizza beatle ..... first off .. it comes from mars.... 12k canyons .... find one for me on this planet? I'd love to see it.... It would make the grand canyon look kinda weak.

The color is a vaild point to bring up ... because we are stuck on little tiny screens for our 'sim' I really can't see on pizza ...Honestly .. I CAN'T SEE

Layout ...... was there a plan?? Control combat by placement of 12k fields? Trinity has a stratigic layout ... pizza is a joke in this area.... It makes the gameplay crap IMHO

I could go on but these are the three major points.... The rest could be lived with

Oh and you don't have to have a poll to know this is the most complained about map ever

ghostdancer · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:20:49 AM »

You bring up a good point. In you example "the employee" was rude and disrepectful too you and went above and beyond. Basically his behavior is a firing offense in your example. When you react their are levels of reaction that you can take that appropriate to the situation.

In your example a severe reaction is warranted resulting in wanting the employee fired. Which management would do. However, what if you also take it out on the cash register person. Who had nothing do with what the snot nose kid but just took your order. You first slam the register person before going to the manager. That is not fair to the register person who had nothing to do with it. You should slam the manager for the employees behavior or the employee who was disrpectful to you.

However, lets say you walk in McDonalds and say your burger is not hot but just warm. McDonald's corporate policy is to provide you hot food not just barely warm. The register person and the cook have been not been rude and disrespectful to you. So in this case again you have a right to complain and ask for a hot burger not a barely warm burger. But the situation does not warrant a severe level of response on your part. Unless the employee you register your complaint too takes it to the next level by being pissy with you.

Depending on the situation there are levels of appropriate response.

I also don't like the Pizza Map and when asked tell people why I don't like it. Basically while I know this game is just a sim and Trinity and Infinity are fantasy terrain also I just don't like the fact that I am playing on map whose clip board map is made too look like a pizza. Its too arcadish for my tastes.

More power to people who want to state their opinion. But none of know if we are in the majority or not. There are people who hate the small map Mindano with a passion, others who hate Trinity, etc., etc. Their are people who like it. State your opinions, state your opinions, state them forcefully and strongly and back them up with logic and as much data as you can present. Start a thread on the BBS to see if other people agree and to show its more than just your personal opinion, even organize those of you who agree to not play that week or go to the CT instead. Or as beetle1 states push for a popup poll to rate the map.

But in my opinion just "Ranting and Raving" is different than this and unless HTC or a representative of HTC firsts is disrepectful then what justification is there for moving up from a strongly stating your opinion to moving up to the next level of ranting and raving. Its like if McDonalds offered you only one type of dipping sauce with your Chicken McNuggets. You don't like it but it comes with the meal and they won't let your switch it for something else. You have the right to complain over it but not the right to berate the employee telling you this. He is not putting a fly in your food or doing something specifically spiteful to you. Therefore you have the right to complain and keep complaining over the policy as long as it does not go outside of the pale and move into the realm of harassment and rudeness.

As for it being a consumers right issue and customers letting service providers get away with shoddy products. The flip side of the coin is that consumers don't have the right to badger or harass anyone. They have the right to complain, they have a right to legal remedies for wrongs done to them, they do not have right to initiate verbal abuse and because of this all service providers have the right to refuse service (many time after refunding money) to a customer that they believe has crossed the line in their behavior with no justification.

Its a matter of appropriate response to the situation. Its not a matter of supressing the right to complain or people's opinion or which maps are better.

SOB · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:21:22 AM »

I like the pizza map just as much as any other map, though I'm partial to the smaller maps. Some don't like it, some do. To cry about it like a 12 year old every time Skuzzy comes to make the change is just pathetic.

ghostdancer · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:21:48 AM »

Btw, if it came down to a poll I would vote to pull Pizza. But this was not the point of my posts above.

Rutilant · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:37:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Ahhh... you pay my subscription (or 1/4 of it to make up for the Pizzacrap) and I'll shut up about it. Deal? Otherwise, stick to reminding people to keep thier comments respectful. YOU may like H2H, the CT or Quake, I don't. The Pizzacrap ruins Aces High (for me, and quite a few others I know) for 1 week a month, I'll continue to make my thoughts on the matter known, as long as HTC see's fit to keep it in a 1wk rotation. Don't like it... edit your ignore list. Don't like it in the MA?... use the squelch command.

Do you like small maps?

Are you comparing Pizza to Quake?

Max · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:42:46 AM »

My original point had nothing to do with the merits or shortcomings of the Pizza map. Rather, it addressed the constant whining directed at Skuzzy everytime he pops in to rotate terrains on Friday. Apparently there are those amongst us who feel that by paying their' $15 subscription, they have the right to whine, hound, harass and berate a person who's simply performing his at-hand task. No one deserves that kind of treatment, especially someone who usually re-enters the arena AFTER the terrain change and goes on to answer the endless chain questions.

Those of you who dislike Pizza are welcome to organize your numbers and petition HTC to abandon that map. My guess is that you'll have a greater chance of success if you:
1. Present your argument in keeping with a rational adult manner,
2. Provide a counting of numbers that shows a majority of dissatisfaction with the map.

/closing argument concluded
DmdMax
Damned MKXX