Author Topic: "do Not Call" List Judge's Phone Number: 405/609-5000 (Read 1290 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2003, 11:57:33 PM »

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Originally posted by DWG
So I think the FTC is within it rights to set up the "Do Not Call" registry.

You got all that from one quote on their website? Outstanding! If only the judge had read that.

-- Todd/Leviathn

DWG · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2003, 12:02:53 AM »

Sorry, I have to rant some more

I do think it's important to let this judge know that he was completely wrong. How else can people improve their reasoning skills unless they get feedback, both positive and negative? The FTC would appear to have the right to protect consumers from unwanted sales calls, per the Telemarketing Sales Rule I mentioned above. If not, then it's now okay for telemarketers to call you at any hour of the day!

MRPLUTO

Tarmac · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2003, 12:20:13 AM »

That's what lawyers are for: to present both sides of the case in an adversarial manner. If they wanted your opinion, they'd call you as an expert witness.

If you give your unsolicited opinion in a courtroom, it would probably get you hauled off in contempt. So they probably don't want it now either.

This judge isn't elected, so he doesn't care who he pisses off as long as he's interpreting the laws written by your elected officials correctly. If you don't like the way he interprets the law, have your representative amend it.

DWG · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2003, 12:20:27 AM »

More Ranting!!!

More Quotes!!!

Title 15, Chapter 87, Sec. 6102.-Telemarketing rules a (3)(A)

"The commission shall include in such rules...a requirement that telemarketers may not undertake a pattern of unsolicited telephone calls which the reasonable consumer would consider coercive or abusive of such consumer's right to privacy."

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What the judge is objecting to is not that the FTC is prohibiting unwanted sales calls, but that the FTC compiled a list of people who didn't want to be called so that the telemarketers could easily comply with the regulations!

MRPLUTO

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2003, 12:27:46 AM »

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I do think it's important to let this judge know that he was completely wrong.

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And I'm sure he'll take the lesson to heart when it comes in a childish, misinformed faux-telemarketing manner. Or, alternatively, perhaps he ruled correctly on this case. Hell, maybe he ruled incorrectly. I (and you too, I'm certain) don't know enough about the merits of the ruling. I think it was Justice Black who once wrote that while it killed him inside to do it, sometimes it was his duty to strike down well-meaning laws that weren't constitutional. They were bad laws for good reasons, but they were bad laws nonetheless.

In this situation, if there's a proper way and an improper way to achieve the same end (regulating telemarketing), then I hope you'd see that we, as a legalistic society, embrace the proper and reject the improper. Either an appeals court will vacate this judge's opinion, or Congress will step in and take the actions necessary to ensure legality.

-- Todd/Leviathn

DWG · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2003, 12:37:47 AM »

I think the faux-telephone marketing aspect of the response is appropriate, but in fact there's nothing childish at all with calling a public official to let him or her know what is on a citizen's mind.

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Will the judge listen to people's comments?

Probably depends on what you say and how you say it.

Do you think it will change his thinking?

No.

Then why waste time voicing your opinion?

Because, it's important not to remain silent in the face of bad things.

Is this monologue beginning to sound too much like a Donald Rumsfeld press conference?

You bet it is!

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MRPLUTO

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:20:02 AM »

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I think the faux-telephone marketing aspect of the response is appropriate

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I don't. It's tantamount to punishing the judge for his decision even if that decision was correct on the legal merits. Even if it wasn't, it's an immature knee-jerk reaction.

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but in fact there's nothing childish at all with calling a public official to let him or her know what is on a citizen's mind.

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It's not the what, it's the how.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Leslie · « **Reply #22 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:32:02 AM »

I'm not interested. I'm busy right now. Click.

That's all you have to do.

Or now, that the "do not call" registry has been nulled, you don't even have to be civil anymore. Just hang up without saying anything. You can identify then by the, "I'd like to speak with (your name.)"

Any legitimate business caller always identifies themself before asking to speak with someone.

Les

Vulcan · « **Reply #23 on:** September 25, 2003, 05:39:58 AM »

someone recently published the private number of a guy that owns a telemarketing/spamming business

Needless to say what happened next

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #24 on:** September 25, 2003, 06:51:08 AM »

Leslie, there is more to it than just hanging up. The calls are disruptive, annoying, and sadly, even many established legitimate companies use insincere methods. For example, I've answered the phone many times to have a stranger ask:

"May I speak to the owner of the house?", to which I respond, "Who are you, and why do you want to speak with the owner of the house?"

"Are you the owner of the house, sir? I need to speak to the owner."

"I'm sorry, but who are you to call and start asking these questions? And you do not 'need' to speak to the owner."

By the way, this conversation is real.

Then there's the "courtesy call" excuse for making unsolicited sales calls. American Airlines has used that one on me.

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Let me guess, Vulcan...the guy got a new number?

MRPLUTO

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #25 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:16:45 AM »

DeadManFlying,

"It's not the what, it's the how", you said. Is it wrong to call and voice one's disapproval? But would it be okay to call and say, "Way to go! Good decision, Judge West!"?

If people want to write him instead of calling, Judge West's address is:

The Honorable Lee R. West
U.S. Courthouse
200 N.W. Fourth Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73102

MRPLUTO (aka DWG)

SaRCaP · « **Reply #26 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:18:17 AM »

Does the telemarketers pay for my phonebill? No.
They act like they have a right to call me..They do not
the do not call likst was a excelent idea and it should stay intact..bottom line is..you pay for your own phone and if you dont want to hear someone trying to sell you something thats your right.

Someone give me your address ill get something to sell and come knocking on your door..dont answer..ill stay there and keep knocking till you do and hear my sales pitch..samething with phones...

Leslie · « **Reply #27 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:30:27 AM »

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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Leslie, there is more to it than just hanging up. The calls are disruptive, annoying, and sadly, even many established legitimate companies use insincere methods. For example, I've answered the phone many times to have a stranger ask:

"May I speak to the owner of the house?", to which I respond, "Who are you, and why do you want to speak with the owner of the house?"

"Are you the owner of the house, sir? I need to speak to the owner."

"I'm sorry, but who are you to call and start asking these questions? And you do not 'need' to speak to the owner."

By the way, this conversation is real.

Then there's the "courtesy call" excuse for making unsolicited sales calls. American Airlines has used that one on me.

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Let me guess, Vulcan...the guy got a new number?

MRPLUTO

Don't be intimidated by these folks. Whether you are the owner of the house is none of their business. It can't be an official call from any authority, such as the police or bank or such. They don't operate that way, to the best of my knowledge.

Who ever said you have to answer personal questions from complete strangers who call you over the telephone? Just say no.

Les

Leslie · « **Reply #28 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:39:15 AM »

Sometimes it pays off to hear them out though. One time I received a call from a man who wanted to speak with my Dad...said he had 10k coming to him. I thought it was another one of those promotional sweepstakes things.

Turned out the caller was passing along news of some sort of will bequest...one of my Dad's friends had left him 10k in his will.

My Dad could hardly believe it, and he was happy at the news of the money and all. And you gotta admit, such things are rare. I didn't know anything about it, and it seemed to be a surprise to my Dad also.

Maybe they were participating in a tontien . Who knows?

Les

miko2d · « **Reply #29 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:02:24 AM »

Erlkonig: What do you suppose would be accomplished by tying up the judge's phone line?

He would force the judge to fall in line or at least make him and his family suffer.

That judge is behaving anti-american. All the other judges have openly discarded the Constitution in favor of political expediency. Why does that one have to stick to it?

miko