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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2003, 08:08:10 AM »
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California was great in the 70s. What went wrong? Tell me next month @ the WCMC.


I'll give you a hint...starts with a "D" and in more extreme cases an "L".

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2003, 08:08:48 AM »
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Just watched this debate on MSNBC. You guys are screwed.


My sentiments exactly.  But, as the saying goes, you reap what you sow.

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2003, 08:14:39 AM »
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I'll give you a hint...starts with a "D" and in more extreme cases an "L".
...when it used to start with an R and in more extreme cases a C ?

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2003, 08:16:05 AM »
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...when it used to start with an R and in more extreme cases a C ?


Ask big business why its moving out of californicate. ;)

http://www.ncpa.org/iss/eco/2003/pd080403e.html

Wyoming, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado and Alaska have the most business-friendly tax systems in the United States.

Nebraska, Ohio, Arkansas, California and Mississippi have the most burdensome and complicated tax systems.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2003, 08:18:53 AM »
I thought Arnie came of pretty well...  Woulda voted for him no matter how he came off tho.   The fact that he disagrees with his wife on everything is enough right there but...

his point that he doesn't owe anyone anything is well taken...  actors that become governors (I consider wrestlers to be actors too) allways do well because of that I think.   they have a fresh start and fresh perspective... even a modest amount of com,mon sense beats bussiness as usual.   This would leave out liberal actors (the other 92.778%) as they they are devoid of the common sense gene.

Plus... they are fun to watch and that is the main thing.  
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2003, 09:32:07 AM »
The PRC is a nice place to visit, but, as the saying goes, I wouldn't want to live there.

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2003, 09:37:13 AM »
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YUp  The left coast is totally screwed:(

 Don't be lumping us in with those yahoos down south!
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2003, 09:49:51 AM »
Agree with sandman's analysis almost completely. Aahhhnold did ok considering he was the target du jur.

The worst thing that could happen to California is to elect Cruz Bustamonte. Whata condesending piece of crap!

"Right arnold, whatever you say arnold..[smirk]"

I would even vote for McClintock to avoid that guy.

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2003, 09:57:10 AM »
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Agree with sandman's analysis almost completely. Aahhhnold did ok considering he was the target du jur.

The worst thing that could happen to California is to elect Cruz Bustamonte. Whata condesending piece of crap!

"Right arnold, whatever you say arnold..[smirk]"

I would even vote for McClintock to avoid that guy.


I'm starting to wonder (and maybe some of you Cali's?) that maybe Davis isn't so bad AFTER ALL! ??

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2003, 10:01:02 AM »
I agree that McClintock clearly won the debate. I dont even understand how Huffington was allowed on the stage with her one percent poll rating.

My bet is Huffington writes a book after the campaign. She is a shamless self promoter.

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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2003, 10:27:10 AM »
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One word... Enron.


Mojave Desert, eh? Where at? I'm in Ridgecrest.


You actually believe that?

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2003, 10:39:53 AM »
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California was great in the 70s. What went wrong?  


I was born.

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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2003, 10:48:39 AM »
What is wrong with California?

Arnold: "Your tax laws have loopholes so big I can drive my hummer through it"  He is funny.

BTW, who is McClintock?
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2003, 11:05:31 AM »
The key difference between McClintock and Arnold is that McClintock obviously has a plan. He sees government waste and ways to reduce it. The fact that he's against the 3x vehicle registration will win him many votes.

The feeling I got from Arnold is that he's nothing more than a mouthpiece.

I rather enjoyed watching Huffington. She's a pistol. I didn't get the impression that she understood the fiscal aspect of the job, but she definitely knows how to play politics.

Camejo (or Canejo... whatever)... the green party guy lost huge points with me the minute he started talking about spending MORE.
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2003, 11:19:18 AM »
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You actually believe that?



To an extent, yes. What I believe isn't really relevant to the reasons that Huffington continued to go with "Blame Bush".

You can be sure that she believes this:

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When the younger Bush ran for President, he turned to Lay, who became the single biggest contributor to Bush's campaign. George W. returned the favor big-time by appointing to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission members who looked the other way when Enron and its fellow swindler companies were fleecing California. These appointees insisted that California's problems were of its own making and would have to be solved without the imposition of the wholesale energy price caps that would have saved taxpayers from a crushing burden.

Vice President Dick Cheney emerged from secret meetings with Enron executives and stated that the Administration considered wholesale price caps a "mistake" because "there isn't anything that can be done short-term to produce more kilowatts this summer." Either Cheney was lying or his Enron buddies were lying to him because, at the time, Enron was routing electricity from California to sell at a higher price in Oregon. Federal price controls would have prevented Enron and the other companies from playing one state against another.


I believe that some of the current fiscal problems in California can be attributed to the energy debacle and that it didn't really matter whether the governor was GOP or DNC, the problem would still be here.

Do a google search on "davis bush enron california" and you'll find plenty of commentary both agreeing and debunking the connection. My guess is that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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