Author Topic: have you been hearing about the Dem senators who came back from Iraq.  (Read 389 times)

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They are telling a very diffrent story then you hear at CNN ABC CBS NBC. What do you know, who would have thought the news would be bias. wow. :rolleyes:



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Media: News outlets around the country continue to report on Iraq in ways that make the situation there look grim, like a fiasco, a quagmire. It ain't so.
But please, don't take our word for it. Just listen to those who have actually been there and are now reporting back, getting around the major media's filter on the news.
Just last week, a bipartisan House Armed Services group returned from a fact-finding trip to Iraq. The congressmen concluded the American media are systematically distorting the news from Iraq, exaggerating the bad, ignoring the good.
Typical was this, from Democrat Ike Skelton of Missouri: "The media stresses the wounds, the injuries and the deaths, as they should, but for instance in Northern Iraq, Gen. (Dave) Petraeus has 3,100 projects — from soccer fields to schools to refineries — all good stuff, and that isn't being reported."
Rep. Joe Wilson, a Republican from South Carolina who himself previously worked as a reporter, was also taken aback.
He cited what he called a "hysterical" account on CBS radio of an attack that led to three deaths: "The media portrayed it as an act of sophistication and a regrouping of Saddam's forces, when, in fact, it's an indication of disorganization and desperation."
Jim Marshall of Georgia, another Democrat and a Vietnam veteran, was so angered by what he saw, he penned an editorial when he returned. Today, IBD runs it.
Of course, as anyone in the media will tell you, bad news sells; good news doesn't. Sadly, that's true. But it goes deeper than that.
"There is corruption in our business," wrote John Burns, a New York Times correspondent in Iraq, who took the media to task for their failure in a scathing piece in Editor & Publisher. "We need to get back to basics."
Others who have been to Iraq have similar conclusions. Federal Judge Dan Walters, a Democrat appointee who traveled to Iraq to help reform that nation's legal system, noted, "We are not getting the whole truth from the news media."
We've said it before — we're not Pollyannas. But we've noticed a consistency to the reports we read of people who return from Iraq and say pretty much the same thing. Things there are far better than is being reported.
It's all over the Web, if you care to look.
Average soldiers, writing home, paint a much different picture than the media about what's happened. Like this from Art Messer, a Navy Seabee in Iraq, at sfft.org: "I can honestly say 98% of the population of Iraq loves us and they do not want us to leave — ever!"
Yes, we know people — Americans too — are still dying. There's disorder in some areas. Infrastructure needs to be rebuilt.
But Iraq is far better off today than it was a year ago. By any measure. And the people there, by and large, are happy we're there.
Again, that's not us talking — it's the Iraqis themselves. In a Gallup Poll released Wednesday, 67% of those living in Baghdad say they're glad Saddam is gone, even after recent hardships. And two-thirds expect things to be much better in five years.
Americans have much riding on this war on terror. They need the truth — facts and honest analysis, not bias and cant.
Anything less than that is a disservice to Iraq's nascent democracy. And to ours.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2003, 09:34:01 AM by JBA »
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2003, 09:34:06 AM »
None of the Democrats in this article have any clout in the Democratic party.  All the powerful Senate Democrats are playing this war for purely domestic political gain, as they always do.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2003, 09:38:59 AM »
Of course Ra
Negligent homicide committing , alcoholic, adulterous senator Ted Kennedy is ginning this up full tilt. Flip-flop Kerry and Clark don’t know which way to run, and Socialist Dean, well need I say more.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2003, 09:41:21 AM »
Interesting read. Thks.

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2003, 09:47:35 AM »
"They are telling a very diffrent story then you hear at CNN ABC CBS NBC. What do you know, who would have thought the news would be bias. wow.  "

 I wonder what the reason is for thier "180"?  Don't you?  
 The year leading up to the Iraqi invasion, and all during it, these same news "sources" were the US administrations lackeys.  Did you miss their "bias" then or were they just playing a song you liked to hear? What's changed? IMO nothing.
 Perhaps the "doom and gloom" is being purposefuly being spoon fed to the American public and by preying on thier fears of another "Vietnam" the government is making it easier on for themselves to obtain more money and perhaps for get more troops sent over there?
« Last Edit: September 25, 2003, 11:39:03 AM by Westy »

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2003, 04:22:35 PM »
Thanks JBA, interesting stuff.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2003, 06:48:45 PM »
http://www.iht.com/articles/110955.html

that poll that showed 67% thought invasion was worth pain.
not all favorable consider this.


"The results revealed that Iraqis in the capital still maintain a great deal of skepticism about the motives of the United States and Britain, and residents said they hold France and its president, Jacques Chirac, in higher regard than President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain.
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Chirac's rating was 42 percent favorable to Bush's 29 percent and Blair's 20 percent."

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2003, 07:14:31 PM »
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http://www.iht.com/articles/110955.html

that poll that showed 67% thought invasion was worth pain.
not all favorable consider this.


"The results revealed that Iraqis in the capital still maintain a great deal of skepticism about the motives of the United States and Britain, and residents said they hold France and its president, Jacques Chirac, in higher regard than President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain.
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Chirac's rating was 42 percent favorable to Bush's 29 percent and Blair's 20 percent."

"Iraqis in the capital" were Saddam's most loyal crew.   He bought their loyalty at the expense of the rest of the country.  The fact that they favor Chiraq over Boosh is hardly surprising.   I wonder how well Chiraq polls in the north or south.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2003, 12:25:08 AM »
The main thing is that it's not Vietnam yet!!

Heard the Guard is being called up after the entire world told George W to go and stuff it on more troops thing.

Bring back the draft!!! Have pudgy over 40's called up first, do them the world of good and would thin the ranks of the BB world more than somewhat.

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2003, 06:49:58 AM »
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"Iraqis in the capital" were Saddam's most loyal crew.


Sure, why bother gathering some knowledge on the matter, just speak your mind...

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2003, 07:13:57 AM »
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Sure, why bother gathering some knowledge on the matter, just speak your mind...

If I wanted knowledge I would just ask you.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2003, 07:16:57 AM »
Hmm.. must say I've seen all that mentioned in the news and especially news documentaries :)
The attacks against the coalition forces just gets highlighted more as those will be reported every now and then due to new attacks, however each case gets old in a day if it doesnt matter later on.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2003, 09:00:49 AM »
"The main thing is that it's not Vietnam yet!! "

 IMO it won't be a 'Vietnam" as the geography isn't conducive to the guerilla ops and resupply that Vietcong and NVA employed. A guerrilla war yes but not one as powerfull as the one in Vietnam. Still, I'm a bit surprised the US and UK forces haven't been able to surpress opposition. With the better technology they have at thier disposal it's almost as if they are not using it or they have had one hand tied behind thier back deliberately. Why? Maybe they are deliberately letting in the outside volunteers and allowing them to organize with the Iraqis so they can be dealt with as a larger group in Iraq.  Versus elsewhere  (like the Afghan moutnains) and in a piecemeal fasion.


"Heard the Guard is being called up after the entire world told George W to go and stuff it on more troops thing. "

 Seems to me that is what the US wanted anyway. With the UN just about abandoning Iraq and not many other countries offering significant military assistance the war and occupation will obviously remain a US/UK directed affair.

 However on the home front about 75% of the folks I work with are in the "Guard." All of them are hearing the rumours and none of them are too happy about what appears to be the "inevitable." Goes with the territory I guess. Part of the gamble for playing soldier two weeks a yeara and once weekend every month is that they may get called up. But at best they'll be called to duty to back fill stateside slots for regular units sent overseas. At worst they'll be sent there.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2003, 09:18:12 AM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
http://www.iht.com/articles/110955.html

that poll that showed 67% thought invasion was worth pain.
not all favorable consider this.


"The results revealed that Iraqis in the capital still maintain a great deal of skepticism about the motives of the United States and Britain, and residents said they hold France and its president, Jacques Chirac, in higher regard than President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain.
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Chirac's rating was 42 percent favorable to Bush's 29 percent and Blair's 20 percent."


So the above negates the positive....you just hate Bush, at least be honest.....you and those who believe as you do, wish only failure for this administration and our country while under his presidency....it's all half empty for you.