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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2003, 06:15:36 PM »
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The repubs hate him because he ran in the center and stole their thunder (fiscal responsibiliy/law and order)


Some of us just hate him because he disgraced us in so many ways.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2003, 06:25:06 PM »
At least he admits that the left is pro crime and fisacally defunct.  ;)

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2003, 07:19:39 PM »
Nobody hated Bill untill he shook his finger at us and lied on national TV... He turned the White House into a circus donkey and bimbo act... I voted dem those years across the board...never again though... Unless a Dem comes forward that has some integrity in the future that can sway my vote...
 IS it possible that a small reason we are in Iraq with as much national guard units present is to create vacancies in the job market here at home..?
Add that to the list of conspiracy theories.

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2003, 09:59:17 PM »
Well, I will give you the perspective of someone who has been in the military since 1985 and as someone who was in Kuwait for six months (got home early this month).  I am not a big Bill Clinton fan.  That being said:

What happened to the US military from 92 to 2000 was IMHO probably correct.  At the beginning of Bill Clinton's term the entire military was built with one thing in mind, the defeat of the Warsaw Pact.  With the fall of the Warsaw Pact we really didn't need the forces available.  There was room for cuts and they did them.  I can disagree with how the cuts were done, and with the force structure but there were people in the Pentagon with a greater perspective on the force need than I was.  Still we were way too big for what was perceived to be the threat in 1992-2000.

Is the force too small for this job?  No but it is barely big enough.  I can't blame Clinton for that.  Very few countries are totally prepared for the next war that comes along and keeping a standing army in place for the potential next war is an expensive prospect.  There is a force there, he didn't totally ruin the military like during the Carter era.  He didn't improve it as much as he could but as I said, there wasn't a major compelling need.

There is a compelling need now and I am sure the military will grow in size due to it.  More money will be appropriated and more equiptment secured.  The problems with troops in Iraq being there for a year is serious, yet every one knew that when they deployed that they could be there for a year.  My orders said 364 days or until mission complete.  I came home due to family problems and the kindness of the command but I was ready to stay until March if I had to.  I didn't like it, but that is my job.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2003, 11:45:23 PM »
Send Hillary to Iraq, all the Iraqi men will recoil in horror and leave the country.  I hate that woman with a passion.


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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2003, 11:58:03 PM »
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Well, we could have a million more troops and give the tax cuts back.


That would be fine by me:D
I think it would be worth it so the fellas over there would not have to stay so long at one time.

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2003, 11:59:25 PM »
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Heaven forbid we actually ask our forces to *gasp* fight in a foreign land!


Are you prepared to go fight in a foreign land?
If you have are you ready to do it again?
Of course not now STFU

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2003, 12:05:38 AM »
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Originally posted by wklink
Well, I will give you the perspective of someone who has been in the military since 1985 and as someone who was in Kuwait for six months (got home early this month).  I am not a big Bill Clinton fan.  That being said:

What happened to the US military from 92 to 2000 was IMHO probably correct.  At the beginning of Bill Clinton's term the entire military was built with one thing in mind, the defeat of the Warsaw Pact.  With the fall of the Warsaw Pact we really didn't need the forces available.  There was room for cuts and they did them.  I can disagree with how the cuts were done, and with the force structure but there were people in the Pentagon with a greater perspective on the force need than I was.  Still we were way too big for what was perceived to be the threat in 1992-2000.

Is the force too small for this job?  No but it is barely big enough.  I can't blame Clinton for that.  Very few countries are totally prepared for the next war that comes along and keeping a standing army in place for the potential next war is an expensive prospect.  There is a force there, he didn't totally ruin the military like during the Carter era.  He didn't improve it as much as he could but as I said, there wasn't a major compelling need.

There is a compelling need now and I am sure the military will grow in size due to it.  More money will be appropriated and more equiptment secured.  The problems with troops in Iraq being there for a year is serious, yet every one knew that when they deployed that they could be there for a year.  My orders said 364 days or until mission complete.  I came home due to family problems and the kindness of the command but I was ready to stay until March if I had to.  I didn't like it, but that is my job.


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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2003, 12:12:26 AM »
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Send Hillary to Iraq, all the Iraqi men will recoil in horror and leave the country.  I hate woman with a passion.


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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2003, 12:17:45 AM »
No, no,no. You don't understand. Bill Clinton is to blame for military enlistment, AIDS, the blackout, unemployment, thinning hair lines, shrinking rainforests, global warming, Regan's Alzheimer's, drought, Florida election chad, Princess Diana's death, flood, The Red Sox not winning the World Series, Fonzie jumping the shark (actually that one was Hillary's evil plot),ENRON, and anything else the right wingers want to come up with.:rolleyes:

It's kind of like that old 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. Give them a subject and they will connect it to Bill in some outlandish way or another.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2003, 12:33:51 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Do ya think Rumsfeld has thanked Bill Clinton?
I have heard that he did.  The version of the "thankyou" that I heard went something like this:

Mr. Clinton,

Thankyou for leaving some of the military in-tact.  How's the ***** doing?

Donald


At least... that's what I heard.

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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2003, 12:34:33 AM »
Admit it RPM... Bill PAID you post that.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2003, 01:36:42 AM »
Cheney has a good point.  If the Bush administration was basically incommunicado with the intelligence services prior to 9/11 then I can see how they had little - if any - impact on the military that took down the Taliban a couple months later.