Robert Novak going to be indicted??

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by ra
Are you pretending to believe that if Bush fired someone over this their would then be no investigation?

hehe....in your dreams.

In reality, that would be an admission that someone in the admin committed a crime, and the press would be all over Bush. After all, he must have approved the leak.  Firing someone would throw everyone for a loop. Might help Bush look like he was out of the loop, though. Its no win, though. If he's out of the loop, he's not in control of his own Admin, and if he's in the loop, he committed a felony.

Probably best to just ride it out and see what the investigation turns up.

Don't make the same mistake Clinton did by having Reno investigate. Use an independant panel, and not Ashcroft.

[Udie]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Don't make the same mistake Clinton did by having Reno investigate. Use an independant panel, and not Ashcroft.

 oh God I hope he doesn't do that.   Too soon to tell on any of this "information"  remember with our new press it usually takes a few tries before they get the actual facts out.

[edit]

 if this turns out to be true and this was done for revenge Bush is done.  Weather he knew about it or not.  Everybody I've talked to this morning about it are in wait and see mode like me, but if it's true they all told me they blame Bush.  These are staunch republicans too.

[john9001]

not everyone who works for the CIA is a "secret agent"

[muckmaw]

You have to blame Bush.

You know, the Buck stops here and all.

I'd agree Bush is done if this pans out. I'd hate to see a good man go down like that, but if he knew about this, then he is wrong.

The dem. Pres. Wannabees, must have 6 foot erections this morning.

Funny. I see Bush supporters agreeing that if this is true, Bush should be indicted. You never heard anything like that come from any Billary lovers back in the day, huh?

[Udie]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Funny. I see Bush supporters agreeing that if this is true, Bush should be indicted. You never heard anything like that come from any Billary lovers back in the day, huh?

 Sure you did. I remember them saying he should be procecuted when he's out of office.  I'm still waiting for one of them to follow through on that, but it's been 3 years so.....  I agree though, the charactor diference in the 2 parties is about to be shown, if this is true.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Udie
Sure you did. I remember them saying he should be procecuted when he's out of office.  I'm still waiting for one of them to follow through on that, but it's been 3 years so.....  I agree though, the charactor diference in the 2 parties is about to be shown, if this is true.

You can't label the whole party.

I'm sure Sean Hannity and Rush will put a spin on this.

Although Hannity is pretty good. I wouls predict, he'll probably adopt a wait and see attitude.

[Mini D]

LOL! you guys spend too much time arguing the neuances when you don't even know anything about the fundamentals.

MiniD

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by GScholz
Not to defend Clinton or anything, but I think there is a significant difference between leaking the identity of CIA operatives and potentially putting lives at risk, and lying to hide the fact that you got a blowjob from a government clerk. Just my 0.2€.

Well of course, but they are both felonies.

[Udie]

Originally posted by GScholz
Not to defend Clinton or anything, but I think there is a significant difference between leaking the identity of CIA operatives and potentially putting lives at risk, and lying to hide the fact that you got a blowjob from a government clerk. Just my 0.2€.

 He wasn't refering to the BJ, that was a non-event and what the left decided was the "crime"  The crime was purgery. And not just once but several times in diferent cases and once in front of the whole nation during the deposition he gave, "definition of is".  This was done by Clinton himself not any of his minions that he put out to continue the lie and cost the government 50 million dollars.

 This new issue we don't even know if it's true yet.  If it is I doubt that Bush himself broke the law, most likely one of his underlings.  Too soon to tell though either way.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by GScholz
Not to defend Clinton or anything, but I think there is a significant difference between leaking the identity of CIA operatives and potentially putting lives at risk, and lying to hide the fact that you got a blowjob from a government clerk. Just my 0.2€.

It was not about a blow job, it was about lying during testimony over a sexual harassment case. (A case he settled btw)

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Udie
He wasn't refering to the BJ, that was a non-event and what the left decided was the "crime"  The crime was purgery. And not just once but several times in diferent cases and once in front of the whole nation during the deposition he gave, "definition of is".  This was done by Clinton himself not any of his minions that he put out to continue the lie and cost the government 50 million dollars.

 This new issue we don't even know if it's true yet.  If it is I doubt that Bush himself broke the law, most likely one of his underlings.  Too soon to tell though either way.

You think one of his underlings would do something so critical without passing it by the President?

I can't see it.

P.S.- How the hell did Clinton get away with that, anyway?

[miko2d]

Mini D: 1) By default, any ambassador/wife/familly is a CIA agent.  This is simply accepted by everyone.

 That may be the common public opinion but it's not really the truth. Intelligent people know it - including the adversaries. It may not make a difference to a McDonald's employee whether he knows that an ex-ambassador's wife is an active CIA operative, but it surely matters to people she was working against.

 Besides, Novak did not say "Joseph Wilson's wife". He said "...Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."
 It is not a common knowlege "simply accepted by everyone" that a lady named Valerie Plame is a wife of an ex-ambassador Joseph C. Wilson.

2) Naming the wife as a CIA agent does not name the operatives.  Either they were not killed, or it was for a different reason.

 It can't be healthy to some people seen in a company of Valerie Plame over the last few years...

3) The wife's name being mentioned in a news report is one thing, continuing the whole contreversy through the media is another.

 I would be royally pissed off is someone's political tinkering intended to hurt my spouse cost me a career. If I were that Valerie Plame or Joseph Wilson himself, I'd be raising a storm as well.

 miko

[Krusher]

Originally posted by muckmaw

Don't make the same mistake Clinton did by having Reno investigate. Use an independant panel, and not Ashcroft.

Reno's justice department had a tendency not to investigate anything without being pushed into it. If this DOJ gets to work on it quickly without congressional intervention I will be impressed.

[lord dolf vader]

vote for public investigation.

we can still vote right?

[miko2d]

lord dolf vader: we can still vote right?

 Not for serious stuff like that...