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Offline SLO

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2003, 08:14:23 AM »
I still say he's a dumbprettythang :D


at least here in Canada we do NOT dictate what others should do.....

at least here in Canada we do NOT piss off most countries in the world.....

at least here in Canada we do NOT invade a soveriegn nation based upon assumptions.....

the list is big but i gotta go......:rolleyes:

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2003, 08:17:54 AM »
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Why do all weak countries of the world, like Canada,



where are still waiting for you to invade us....


350 million vs. 30 million......i say we kick your fat mcdonalds prettythanges back across the border :rofl

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2003, 08:22:22 AM »
slo

the international group thought clinton was great

so who cares what they think
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2003, 08:32:05 AM »
Clinton's support came from the middle, so he watched the polls to decide what his policy was going to be that day.  Bush's support comes from the far right, and he already know's what policies they expect, and their tax cuts are at the top of the list.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2003, 09:02:49 AM »
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sorry Rude....but in the international community....Bush is a seen as a dumbprettythang.


this is what we hear....

before war.

Bush : UN is irelevent.

after war.

Bush : we need UN help in Iraq.

sorry but he is a dumbprettythang :eek:


I can understand your viewpoint to some degree....however, he did solicit the help of the UN from the git go....it was witheld....the irrelevence point was made by him regarding the UN and not enforcing it's own resolutions....meaning that if they put forth resolutions and do nothing to enforce them, then the UN becomes irrelevant in it's existence as a world body.

From my opinion and many here in the US as well, the UN has become irrelevant.....they bark, yet do not bite. What is interesting to me personally is that the request Bush is making now is the same as from the start. The goal was to remove him for the benefit of the entire world....a stable and friendly Iraq is good for all of us. The problem is that we(nations around the globe) see things differently.

What's that about a house divided against itself? Our country suffers the same from within and it's getting worse. My Bible tells me that the purpose of Jesus's return is to establish his government on this earth...no suprise to me....we can't even get along when trying to solve the simplest of problems, much less anything of global porportions.

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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2003, 09:17:34 AM »
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Clinton's support came from the middle, so he watched the polls to decide what his policy was going to be that day.  Bush's support comes from the far right, and he already know's what policies they expect, and their tax cuts are at the top of the list.


Do you think that perhaps the bitterness regarding these tax cuts might be born from those who make and pay less...you know, the "it's not fair thingie"?

I make a good living, yet I'm not rich....however, the left tells me I am and that I don't deserve a tax break. Furthermore, I should pay more so that they can spend more.

I'm sorry Popeye....the taxes of higher income earners in this country have always paid for the bulk of social programs, infrastructure and geopolitical endeavors....in addition, it is firms like mine that employ hundreds of workers and provide the impetus for commerce in general, especially taxed income on the local, state and national level.

I see those without, looking at those with and saying, hey that's not fair...make them pay more. I also see the politicians recognizing this and taking full advantage rather than promoting hard work and sacrifice.

Do folks on the left really believe that those with money were all born with it? I've had my four kids and wife living in a friends basement due to a downturn in my career....I never applied for aid nor did I even apply for unemployment....I just went to work doing whatever I could to make a buck....sold suits to the brutha's in the ghetto.

By God's grace, all has been restored to me and mine...still, I have others without, believing I don't do enough....it's a crazy world man:)

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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2003, 09:38:54 AM »
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Originally posted by SLO
where are still waiting for you to invade us....


350 million vs. 30 million......i say we kick your fat mcdonalds prettythanges back across the border :rofl


If there was anything in Canada that we wanted we would have already taken it. Hmmmm, kinda like Alaska?
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2003, 10:02:54 AM »
I didn't have to read past the word "wealth" As I have posted here before “Wealth” is not taxed. And the "TAX" cuts are for those who work, not those who are allready "WEALTHY"

And the top 2% of the highest income earners are small business, so to repeal a tax cut on small business will stop this recovery dead. End of story
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2003, 10:07:41 AM »
Investors Bussniess Daliy

About the Rich.
Here is a compelling statement, Congressman Patrick Kennedy, D-RI (Rhode Island for those of you in public schools) recently declared to fellow members at a Washington nightspot, “I don’t need Bush’s tax cut, I’ve never worked a F***king day in my life”

A number of other rich people, i.e. Warren Buffet, have at various times likewise declared that they do not need what are called “tax cuts for the rich”. But whatever political points such rhetoric may score, it confuses issues that are long overdue to be clarified.

One of the most basic confusions is between income and wealth. You can have high income and low wealth or vice versa. We have all heard of athletes and entertainers who have earned millions, that ended up broke.

There are also people of relatively modest incomes who have saved and invested enough over the years to leave surprisingly large amounts of wealth to their heirs.

Income tax cuts apply to income, not wealth. So the fact that some rich people say they don’t need a tax cut means nothing because they are not getting a tax cut on their wealth, since their wealth is not being taxed anyway.

Looked at differently, high tax rates hit people who are currently earning high incomes- usually late in life, after having worked their way up in their professions over a period of decades. Such as myself.

Genuinely rich people who have never had to work a day in their lives –people like Kennedy- are unaffected by income taxes except on what they are currently earning, which may be a tiny fraction of what they own.

In other words, soak-the-rich tax rates do not, in fact, soak the rich.

Someone who eventually works his way up to $100,000 a year will qualify as “rich” in liberal rhetoric, but by the time you reach that level you may have a few kids, college tuition, mortgage etc. You’re not exactly buying yachts.

Another fundamental confusion over tax rates with reduction in tax revenues collected by the government.

One of the enduring political myths of our generation has been the claim that the rise in deficits during the 1980s resulted from President Reagan’s “tax cuts for the rich.”

Tax rates were cut. Tax revenues were not.

More tax revenues were collected during every year of the two Reagan administrations than had ever been collected in any previous year in the history of the country. Nor was this experience unique.

When President Kennedy cut tax rates during the 1960s, tax revenues went up. The whole point was –and is- to encourage more economic activity and more activity generates more tax revenues, even at lower rates.

The same thing happened back in the 1920s.

Why, then, were there federal deficits during the Reagan administration? Because Congress spent even more money the then rising tax revenues brought in.

There is no amount of money that congress cannot out spend.

Although these were christened “the Reagan deficits,” all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives- and Reagan was never a member of congress. Indeed, the Republicans never controlled the House of Representatives during the Reagan Years.

Only after the Republican party gained control of the house in 1994 were there budget surpluses-for which president Clinton took credit, even though he too, had never been a member of Congress.

It is fascinating to see congressional Democrats, who have for decades been spending the country into growing deficits, suddenly expressing shock at the current deficits that have occurred while President Bush is in the White House- and the country is at war.

How serious are these deficits? As with all debts the burden depends on what your income is. As a percentage of national income, today’s deficits and national debts are far below what they were when Democrats were spending.
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2003, 10:33:39 AM »
Federal sales tax to replace income tax sounds better 'n better all the time.

Well said JBA.
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2003, 10:47:28 AM »
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at least here in Canada we do NOT invade a soveriegn nation based upon assumptions.....



You guys could'nt invade a Wal-Mart.:D

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2003, 12:25:28 PM »
they invade Fl every winter

it has already started

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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2003, 01:51:21 PM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
Federal sales tax to replace income tax sounds better 'n better all the time.

Well said JBA.



Can't find too much to argue with JBA except that I think I'd prefer a flat tax... across the board... no excemptions, no exclusions, no tax credits. I don't believe that the federal government can help the economy by taxing each transaction. In California, we have 8% (or more depending on the location).  For small purchases, I generally don't even blink an eye, but for large purchases, I quite often find myself stepping down from what I prefer simply because I don't want the tax that goes with it.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2003, 03:04:35 PM »
"How serious are these deficits? As with all debts the burden depends on what your income is. As a percentage of national income, today’s deficits and national debts are far below what they were when Democrats were spending."

Another view:

http://www.concordcoalition.org/federal_budget/030929jointstatement.pdf
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2003, 03:19:40 PM »
Some statistics from the IRS, to further debunk the lie that "The rich don't pay taxes!"

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The IRS has released the year 2000 data for individual income tax returns. The numbers illustrate a truth that is startling: that half of Americans with the highest incomes pays 96.09% of all income tax. This nukes the lie that the rich don't pay taxes. The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.  

*Data covers calendar year 2000, not fiscal year 2000 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security

Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? No, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

Top 5% - 56.47% of all income taxes; Top 10% - 67.33% of all income taxes; Top 25% - 84.01% of all income taxes. Top 50% - 96.09% of all income taxes. The bottom 50%? They pay a mere 3.91% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 20.81% of all income. The top 5% earns 35.30% of the pie. The top 10% earns 46.01%; the top 25% earns 67.15%, and the top 50% earns 87.01% of all the income.  
 
 
Bottom line: The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.


A quick note on the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.
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