Author Topic: Flouridation (Read 688 times)

beet1e · « **Reply #15 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:22:59 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Gadfly
Look at British teeth, or East Texas teeth, for that matter. I'll take the flouride, thank you.

Here we go again...

Have you ever been to Britain, Gadfly?

Lazs, I think we've had fluoride in the water for about the last 40-50 years. I don't have a problem with that. They experimented with 1 ppm (part per million), and then upped it to 3ppm. At that level, the results showed that it did have a positive effect in reducing tooth decay. At higher concentrations, people ended up with mottled teeth.

Yes, I've experienced that brown iron laced water - LOL -nothing wrong with it really. The water where I live is not pleasant - hard, with limescale. I have a water filtering carafe which I use for drinking water.

BTW, I'm seeing my dentist and dental hygienist the day before the minicon. Just a coincidence - not planned because I'm going to be seeing you guys.

Mini D · « **Reply #16 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:51:30 AM »

So you're saying that floride in the water really doesn't have anything to do with the horrid state of British teeth?

MiniD

Dowding · « **Reply #17 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:07:04 PM »

That doesn't really make sense, MiniD. A more logical snipe would sound like:

"So you're saying that the copious amounts of sugar and lard in American 'food' doesn't have anything to do with the number of fat bastards in America?"

I hope that helps.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:12:20 PM »

British People Teeth

Dowding · « **Reply #19 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:15:29 PM »

That image is from http://www.dentalgentlecare.com

Which happens to be the homepage of a dental practice in... Nebraska.

Is that Nebraska, a small village just outside of London?

Mini D · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:24:00 PM »

It's OK dowding. Keep trying and you might make the world forget about GB's reputation for horrible dental hygene. Though... I doubt it.

MiniD

loser · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:59:50 PM »

Im not really sure where I stand on flouride being added to drinking water. I do know that flourosis can be a real problem both cosmetic and heathwise if you were exposed to too much flouride when your were young.

However I grew up with flourinated water and dont really have any problems, though it has been found that almost 50% of people that were exposed to even small amounts of flouride as small children do have problems.

That being said, I have no teeth problems whatsoever and have never had a cavity etc... but after moving to a community that has never had flouride added to the water I noticed a marked increase of dental problems in the people I associate with.

Whether flouride can be called the main factor in the difference I noticed or maybe how I was taught and practised good oral hygeine and they did not is too difficult to say.

beet1e · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2003, 03:27:53 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Dowding
That image is from http://www.dentalgentlecare.com

Which happens to be the homepage of a dental practice in... Nebraska.

Is that Nebraska, a small village just outside of London?

ROFL Dowding! You've succeeded in exposing the US dental gibe as a sham. Picture taken in Nebraska, indeed. That west London village might have been Neasden.

rogwar · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2003, 05:13:50 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
I work in the water/wastewater field... flouride is a deadly poison in fairly small amounts. We should be careful with it... it is part of a mnufacturing process (a byproduct of aluminum) that is hazardous waste. It is a godsend for the manufacturer to get rid of the stuff by dilluting it to non leathal levels and feeding it to us.
lazs

I work in the instrumentation and control business. I have worked in water but nowadays I mainly work with the mining, minerals processing, and cement industries, however my company does a lot in the water/waste water industry. Plus my Dad was a superintendent of a water treatment plant for 30 years. I used to go out there a lot.

You are correct in that Flouride in it's pure form (like they inject in drinking water) is some really nasty stuff. It's difficult to maintain injection and measurement equipment because it is soooo corrosive.

It is true as well that it is a by-product from various manufacturing processes and that it would be very costly to get rid of using an accepted waste disposal mehtod.

As they say in the wastewater industry....Dilution is the Solution

No joke. That's a common saying. I work with industry.

In similar fasion, there is another chemical, Benzene, which is a by-product of petrochemical processes. It's rather dangerous, toxic, probably carcinogenic, and very very difficult to dispose of by burning. In fact, you cannot burn Benzene in a typical chemcial waste disposal facility and come anywhere close to the emission guidelines for what would be coming from the stack. Benzene can be used in other manufacturing processes, however a lot more benzene is produced than can be used.

Well so what's the solution? Benzene is added to gasoline as an anti-knock and/or octane modifier (or something to that effect). It is diluted to the extent that in your engine it can be burned and the point of emission, your car's exhaust, will generally be within guidelines. Benzene is disposed of a lot using the gasoline method so to speak. It's perfectly legal and within guidelines.

The humanity....our precious bodily fluids.....

john9001 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2003, 07:15:03 PM »

waters fer washing, beer be fer drinking

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2003, 08:31:00 AM »

rogwar... the soution to pollution is dillution is correct... I also like "every time you flush your toilet you put bread on my table.

Your example of benzene is a good one. but... if we didn't have benzene as a by product we would have to make it. Amuch better example of a hazardous waste by product that is doisposed of by "dilluting" with gasoline is MTBE.... Have we all figured out how bad an idea that was yet?

Flouride is benifical for childrens teeth. It is probly not that good of an idea to force the entire populace to ingest it tho. Air and water are hard to live without... not a lot of choices. All I said was we should be careful with flouride or anything we put in the water or air.

Flouride treatments for children at the dentists office are much more effective than the flouride levels that are present in most flouridated water supplies. Also....

not sure in this climate if it is such a great idea to have such a large amound of poison so close and available to our water supply.

soo... you're an instrument tech? I could use a good tech.
lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2003, 09:55:30 AM »

Lazs! You're slipping! I can't find anything in the above post to disagree with - except perhaps the spelling. It's fluoride, not flouride.

Flouride is possibly an additive to that bread you put on your table;) Other than that, erm...

... kind of glad that fluoride has been in the water. I don't think I've suffered any long term poisoning. Besides, I've always used a fluoride toothpaste. Some kids that I was at school with in the early 60s did not have toothbrushes or toothpaste. Heck, some of them didn't even have a bathroom with running water, so didn't have the means to clean their teeth. The only way to help them was fluoride in the water. I think the pluses outweigh the minuses.

Dowding · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2003, 10:02:01 AM »

Yeah but now that every home has running water, toothbrushes why do we need to add the fluoride? It should be down to the parents to look after their kids. Especially considering there is fluoride in the toothpaste.

rogwar · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2003, 11:42:37 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
rogwar... the soution to pollution is dillution is correct... I also like "every time you flush your toilet you put bread on my table.

Your example of benzene is a good one. but... if we didn't have benzene as a by product we would have to make it. Amuch better example of a hazardous waste by product that is doisposed of by "dilluting" with gasoline is MTBE.... Have we all figured out how bad an idea that was yet?

Flouride is benifical for childrens teeth. It is probly not that good of an idea to force the entire populace to ingest it tho. Air and water are hard to live without... not a lot of choices. All I said was we should be careful with flouride or anything we put in the water or air.

Flouride treatments for children at the dentists office are much more effective than the flouride levels that are present in most flouridated water supplies. Also....

not sure in this climate if it is such a great idea to have such a large amound of poison so close and available to our water supply.

soo... you're an instrument tech? I could use a good tech.
lazs

There are truly double edged swords with all of this. It's the price we pay so to speak. I was wanting to be sure to just talk about facts as opposed to saying whether something was good or bad.

I'm an Industry Manager - Mining & Cement for Siemens Process Instrumentation (formerly know as the following companies Milltronics, Moore, and Applied Automation). I have been 10 years with the Milltronics side of the business. You have likely heard of Milltronics.

One problem is that Flouridation causes me to deny women my essence. They seek me out but I always deny them my essence.