U.S. Gun Laws Reduce Violent Crime

[ra]

Great... 500,000 killed by alcohol and cigarettes and 20,000 from illicit drugs.

I'll bet most of those killed by drugs were on average much younger than those who died from drinking or smoking.  Booze and tobbacco may lower your life expectancy by 10 years, but abusing the wrong kind of drugs can kill you right now.

ra

[wulfie]

Originally posted by lazs2
It's all so confusing.   Where is mike moore when we need him?
lazs

I told him to break into your house and run towards your bedroom sometime after 2300 HRS so he could discuss this with you. I said black clothes and a ski mask would be the best attire for the occasion.

I hope nothing happens to him. Without him to set the record straight...we'd all be lost.

Are you going to make FunkedUp's mini-con? If you are bring your Kimber if so inclined. I've got access to a facility with a CQC house (low tech but it would still be fun) and a couple of good tactical ranges that is only ~30 min. South of where FunkedUp is having the mini-con. If you and Hooligan are interested I'll check on the specifics of what needs to be done - I think signed waivers is all you guys would need.

In 3 days I'll know if I'm going to make the mini-con or not.

Mike/wulfie

[lazs2]

There is also such a thing as shooting your competition because he is an impediment to an extremely profitable business.... the only available high profit business.   Drunks tend to shoot people and run em over and all sorts of nastiness too.
lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
There is also such a thing as shooting your competition because he is an impediment to an extremely profitable business.... the only available high profit business.   Drunks tend to shoot people and run em over and all sorts of nastiness too.
lazs

Careful, someone might get the impression that you're against the drug war.

[Dnil]

imagine if drugs were legal like booze and cigs.   EEEEEK.


would hate to see that stat.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Dnil
imagine if drugs were legal like booze and cigs.   EEEEEK.


would hate to see that stat.

I think you might see some more deaths, but the crime rate would probably decrease and California would have to tear down a few dozen prisons.

[lazs2]

I am a recovered drug addict sandman.   I don't know if I am against or for the drug war.  Most of the recovered addicts I know are for the drug war.   I am not so certain.   I am certain that their use should be highly restricted so far as it endangers others.   If someone wants to diminish their life or..... miss most of it... I say let em... just don't let em be around me.

 I am against being on the freeway or working with people with drugs in their system.   People with concealed carry permits should be drug tested randomly just like the dot program.  

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
I am a recovered drug addict sandman.   I don't know if I am against or for the drug war.  Most of the recovered addicts I know are for the drug war.   I am not so certain.   I am certain that their use should be highly restricted so far as it endangers others.   If someone wants to diminish their life or..... miss most of it... I say let em... just don't let em be around me.

 I am against being on the freeway or working with people with drugs in their system.   People with concealed carry permits should be drug tested randomly just like the dot program.  

lazs

In other words, most of the recovered addicts you know think that prohibition works despite their own addiction. Hmmmm...


As I understand it... you're never recovered, you're always recovering. Best of luck with your demons.

Sincerely.

[Dnil]

if murder was legal, then no murderes either.

[Gadfly]

It is legal, but only a mother can get away with it.

[mora]

30,000 deaths because of sexual behavior!!! You really are a wierd nation.

[ra]

Originally posted by mora
30,000 deaths because of sexual behavior!!! You really are a wierd nation.

Sheep are not always docile.

[lazs2]

well.... yes sandman... most of the recovering and recovered addicts I know (and it is a considerable amount because of things like AA)  feel that the drug war is a good idea... course... they all started with a predispossition and so any exposure set them/us off.

So far as recovered compared to recovering... in the trades (so to speak) when you have spent more time drug free than you did on drugs... you are considered "recovered".   Some like to think that after a decade of recovery that they are considered recovered... It's not an exact science.... I like to consider myself recovered.   It would be like not finding any trace of cancer in your system after a ten years of recovery.

I do know that anything approching recovery is rare.   Everyone who becomes addicted stands only about a 10% at best, chance of recovery...  That is why so many are afraid to experiment with legalized drugs.

The question becomes.... How many potential addicts never become addicts because they are law abiding and never try drugs?   How many become addicts because the fact that it is ilegal gives it a facination?     Addiction seems to go up in the countries that make it legal.   I really don't have much of an opinion on it other than I don't want druggies around machinery or working with me.
lazs

[mora]

Originally posted by lazs2
[BAddiction seems to go up in the countries that make it legal. [/B]

Any facts on this? I dont know of any countries that have legalized drugs. If you mean pot and Netherlands then you are wrong.

[lazs2]

mora... I could be wrong... what I am thinking about is the semi legalization of drugs like heroin in england say and the experiments with needle parks in, was it your country?   Parks where addicts could shoot up unmolested by the police.

So... drug use has not gone up in Finland?  I really don't know.  Pot use has not gone up?  what is the incidence of pot use there compared to other countries?   How bout hard drugs?  
lazs