Mom jailed for sons suicide

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Mini D
So... losing something that you've been neglecting for years is supposed to be punishment enough?

I'm sorry, but that does not make sense.

MiniD

That small blurb does not specify the mother's reaction to her son's death.  I'm assuming she *just might* be human and actually grieves at the loss of her son.  

or maybe she was expecting it and has no remorse.  

Jail is too much.  Reform?  A few basic lessons in child care and regular hygeine would help.  Nah, on second thought she'd do fine in prison.  If the stench is really that bad, no bitch will be made of her.

Lepaul:  I dont see a murderer.  Why dont we trace it back a little further?  Throw her in jail because she HAD the kid.  Afterall, it's her fault he killed himself for having him in the first place!

[trolla]

Miko !!!!!


A boy of 12 teased about a body odor and smelly mouth can bathe himself and brush his teeth even if the appartment is sloppy. I came from a country where meny people did not have running water and indoor plumbing and smelly children were not killing themselves in droves.
One must be an idiot to believe that if the boy showed up one day all clean and fresh-smelling, the bullies would have stopped mistreating him....

More likely the boy was mentally disturbed which caused both his neglect toward himself and his suicide. Children - even from caring wealthy, seemingly happy families - kill themselves all the time.

It's just our liberal culture that cannot admit that there could really be something wrong with the victim and has to find another person to put the blame on.

miko


You must be way outa line here a 12 year old boy is not born menatlly disturbed, they are getting it buy living a terrible life.

you cant make simularities about a society with no water and no health care with the us system its just to silly.

Ofcourse the boy woulda been washed and had brushed his teeths if the parents was awake. For Christ sake you are to hard here..

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by miko2d
You are not using the words in their correct meanings. Convicted person is sentenced to some punishment.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

You said that, "A sloppy mom cannot possibly be dangerous to any children but her own.", and suggested that punshing her was simply revenge.  Do you really think that way?  That was my question.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by davidpt40
She needs to be convicted.  It was actually her fault.

Actually, I would suspect that the son, and the mother, and probably the rest of their family, suffered from some form of mental illness.  She needs to be treated rather than incarcerated.

Yes, it was her fault that she didn't bath him when he was younger and teach him basic personal hygiene.  I would suspect that he didn't have many friends (nobody wants to love a stinky kid I guess) and therefore didn't develop the skills necessary to be normal in a civilized society.  But I'm not certain that incarceration is the answer, other than forcing her to learn all about delousing.

[miko2d]

Mickey1992: You said that, "A sloppy mom cannot possibly be dangerous to any children but her own.", and suggested that punshing her was simply revenge.  Do you really think that way?  That was my question.

 I am not sure what your question refers to, so I'll answer both meanings I can think of.

 Is she guilty according to laws currently in effect? Probably. Which does not have anything to do with morality of our actions or thoughts. Morality implies a freedom of will and if a law is enforced on me, what I think and feel does not matter, I have to abide by it.

 If you ask me whether the law aught to be such that she must be punished for her (in)action, I say no. Not because I condone her actions but because I do not see any non-opressive system of government under which such law could exist.
 In a free society possibility of such punishment on her would violate people's natural rights and constitute oppression, while her actions are immoral but do not violate anyone's rights (except maybe those of the father of the child).

 It would take a few paragraphs of philosophical reasoning just to outline the basis for my view. I would rather not do it unless you are really interested. If you are, we can start another thread and I'll be happy to oblige.
 It's a serious philosophical issue, concerning the nature of rights, liberty and just laws.

 miko

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Octavius
That small blurb does not specify the mother's reaction to her son's death.  I'm assuming she *just might* be human and actually grieves at the loss of her son.

Oh... I don't doubt she grieves for the loss of her son.  I also don't doubt that she firmly believes everyone else is to blame for it.

This is why the charges were neglect and not manslaughter.  Wash she neglecting caring for this child for 12 years?  I mean really... can you honestly say she wasn't?  There should be no penalty for that other than a class?

Jail is too much.  Reform?  A few basic lessons in child care and regular hygeine would help.  Nah, on second thought she'd do fine in prison.  If the stench is really that bad, no bitch will be made of her.

Yes... at 52 she should be counseled just in case she has another child and does it again.

I'm sorry, but that kind of neglect is not something you ask someone not to do again then send on their merry way.

MiniD