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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2003, 11:18:58 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2003, 11:40:01 AM »
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Btw. Batz, did the real Ta-152 have such a nasty tendency to go into an unrecoverable nose up flat spin?


I am not much up on the 152 but I think what happens in ah is a combination of CoG and the weird endency of some ah planes to get stuck in a "nose up stall". If you make sure you burn the aft tank it reduces the possibility to stall.

When in those stalls cut your eng. I believe the prop adds drag and keeps the nose from going over.

I am sure you have read this before

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On April 14, 1945, two Hawker Tempests of 486 (New Zealand) Squadron took off from the Volkel airfield in Holland in order to attack the railway yards at Ludwigslust. As they initiated their low-level attack, three Ta 152s of Stab/JG 301 were scrambled against them from Neustadt-Glewe, five miles away. Within minutes, the German aircraft hurriedly fell upon the New Zealanders. Oberfeldwebel Sattler, flying in No. 3 position in the German formation, lost control over his new plane and crashed vertically into the ground. In the following dogfight at almost tree-top level, Sattler's comrade Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke displayed the superior maneuverability of the Ta 152 by out-turning and shooting down the Tempest flown by Warrant Officer Mitchell, who had no chance to survive.

Reschke was an excellent pilot at the controls of the Ta 152. Ten days later he flew "Green 9", shown here, and destroyed two Yak-9s in the air over Berlin. Reschke had flown in JG 300, I./JG 302. and III./JG 301 before he was transferred to Stab/JG 301. He survived the war with a total score of 26 victories, eighteen of them 4-engine bombers.


In Reschke's words



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So now it was two against two as the ground level dogfight began. We knew the Tempest to be a very fast fighter, used by the British to chase and shoot down our V-1's/ But here, in a fight which was never to climb above 50 metres, speed would not play a big part. The machines ability to turn would be all important.

Pulling ever-tighter turns I got closer and closer to the Tempest, never once feeling I was even approaching the limit of the Ta's capabilities. And in order to keep out of my sights the Tempest pilot was being forced to take increasingly dangerous evasive action. When he flicked over onto the opposite wing I knew his last attempt to turn inside me had failed.

The first burst of fire from my Ta-152 caught the Tempest in the tail and rear fuselage. The enemy aircraft shuddered noticeably and, probably as an instinctive reaction, the Tempest pilot immediately yoked into a starboard turn, giving me an even greater advantage.

Now there was no escape for the Tempest. I pressed my gun buttons a second time, but after a few rounds my weapons fell silent, and despite all my efforts to clear them, refused to fire another shot. I can no longer remember just who and what I didn't curse. But fortunately the Tempest pilot did not recognise my predicament as he'd already taken hits.

Instead he continued desperately to twist and turn and I positioned myself so that I was always just within his field of vision. Eventually - inevitably he stalled. The Tempest's left wing dropped and he crashed into the woods immediately below us."


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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2003, 02:55:35 PM »
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Originally posted by Batz
So now it was two against two as the ground level dogfight began.


So what happened with the second tempest and second Ta?

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2003, 02:59:11 AM »
In the 190D-9 new book there is an report of a mock dogfight at medium altitude done after the end of the war between a german pilot with a D-13 (with no boost and no ammo :D) and a canadian (IIRC) pilot with a Tempest.

Guess who won even without the boost ... :D
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2003, 03:16:23 AM »
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Originally posted by Batz
I am not much up on the 152 but I think what happens in ah is a combination of CoG and the weird endency of some ah planes to get stuck in a "nose up stall". If you make sure you burn the aft tank it reduces the possibility to stall.

When in those stalls cut your eng. I believe the prop adds drag and keeps the nose from going over.

I am sure you have read this before

 

In Reschke's words


One other interesting fact is the 152 that went down was hit by a high deflection shot from the Temp.  Freak shot, he didn't lose control of his ride.  You can find this claim in the 152 book by this author for the new D-9 book.  Don't remember the page but it is in there.  Ordering book right now!

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2003, 03:18:03 AM »
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Originally posted by gatt
In the 190D-9 new book there is an report of a mock dogfight at medium altitude done after the end of the war between a german pilot with a D-13 (with no boost and no ammo :D) and a canadian (IIRC) pilot with a Tempest.

Guess who won even without the boost ... :D


Funny thing is you don't see that report posted.  Wonder why lol....  Love the D-13, the D-12 would have been more fitting for a perk ride in the MA.  Top speed hit below 20k oh yea.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2003, 07:19:44 AM »
If you get the D-12 as a perk you should get the P-47M, the Spitfire 21 and even the P-51Z (;)) as well, otherwise allies cries will get louder and louder.
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pretty good book
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2003, 09:55:04 PM »
The Luftwaffe Album, pretty good book lots of interesting stuff covers a wide variety of LW aircraft also reasonable price.The Luftwaffe Album
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2003, 11:57:20 PM »
Sorry GODO,

I missed your last reply

The other temp -


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Unknown to Reschke the New Zealander Short had managed to fire at Sattler in a quick pass before being attacked by Aufhammer. Friend and foe now started a turning match that seemed to last forever. Neither could gain the advantage and after 15 minutes the two pilots broke away and returned to their respective bases - glad to be able to fly home in one piece.



As you see Chris is right that Short claims to have shot down Sattler. Aufhammer and Short got into a good fight and short was able to disengage and escape.