Author Topic: Chog perk vs the "Big Five" (Read 2124 times)

GScholz · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2003, 06:16:40 AM »

The P51 is not a problem, it may be annoying when they run, but nothing more. The Spit is more of a problem because it is a very good MA plane, but I understand it's a popular (and important) plane for other reasons than just its abilities. The La7 is also a good MA plane since the Russian front was very much like the MA (huge low level fights), but I don't see it as a problem (unless Shane is flying it). P38, not a problem (unless AKAK's flying it). The Spit is the plane I have most difficulty dealing with, but I understand it cannot be limited as a perk plane.

beet1e · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:14:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Golfer
P-51 and Spitfire Mk IX are two of the most popular airplanes in the world. Both are recognized by non-aviation enthusiasts and their exploits are often well known, documented, and publicized.

Perking the P-51 is like sticking a tax on the air you breathe when it comes to not only marketing the game, but airplanes people love. Think of the new player...what draw is there for them to fly a P-47, 190A8 or F4F? They don't as often know what those airplanes are, or if they do they don't understand their history.

I wasn't around before the CHog was perked, and therefore didn't see what the MA looked like with unperked CHogs available.

But Golfer, please explain why it was the CHog that overran the MA (not the P51 or SpitIX), and created the case for HTC to perk it. Please also explain why usage dropped off (ie perkage had the desired effect) when the nominal cost of a CHog was only 8pp when perked. You're saying that the P51 and Spit ix are the planes which need to be kept unperked for noobs to learn on, and that this is why we see so many of them, and yet before its perkage, it was the CHog that was the most ubiquitous plane - not the P51 or SpitIX. Seems like the noobs were perfectly happy with it before it was perked - even if it was a lesser known plane than the Mustang. And of course, Messrs Toad & Shane would assure us that the CHog is an easy plane in which to get kills, so the case for retaining easy unperked planes for the noobs (P51 & SpitIX) goes out the window if the CHog is as easy as they say it is.

Knowing what I do about the AH community and MA gameplay, the accolades earned by the P51 and Spit during WW2 have got bugger all to do with the plane choices made by AH fliers.

My own view is that the erstwhile CHog drivers who deserted this plane when it was perked probably belonged to the pork-n-auger crowd who wanted easy kills without having to "waste time" RTB, kills without having to go to the bother of learning ACM (just HO instead) and without having to earn the privilege of flying it.

LA7? N1K? How many people had heard of those before joining AH? I hadn't. Most folks flying AH are American - and yet a plane from JAPAN of all places is part of the Big Five. And with that, the argument that folks want to be patriotic and choose to fly a plane that held an important place in his country's history has just taken a swerve around the U-bend.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:25:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Rutilant

'Fanboyism' not being a word doesnt make you any less of a completely biased fanboy.

These words are bound for history.

muckmaw · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:35:32 AM »

What was that song by Whitesnake...

"Here I go again..."

Golfer-

I agree the Pony and the spit are hot rides and famous WWII birds. But this game is more than quake with airplane skins.

WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH MAKING PEOPLE..EVERYONE..EARN THEIR RIDE?

Is it me or do the majority of video games use the carrot and stick approach. Every game I've played worth it's alt gave you the basic weapons when you started. It challenged you to succeed, and earn the better weapons, equiptment, etc. AH is one of the few games where you can log in and access almost any weapon in the game from day 1.

If Newbies wanna fly a pony on day 1, there's the TA, where they should be on the first few days anyway. There's also events, CT, DA. BUt I digress.

Finally, you could make it so every player gets 100 perks or whatever at the beginning of each tour.

Hold onto to those perks if you want your plane for the whole tour though. No Suicide jabo runs.

Urchin-
Just because HTC has not perked them yet, does not mean it would not work. Whats so bad about trying it for 1 tour?

Beetle-

Flew that C-Hog last night. Mean airplane. Backed it up with my P-40E o' Death. heheh Closed out with the D-30. I did not care for that ride much. It's not maneauverable enough for my style.

aztec · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:45:24 AM »

It was the combination of the C-Hogs inherent flight capabilities and the CANNONS Beetle.

Mini D · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:50:34 AM »

You're comparing what the F4u-1C did during tour 12 (first tour with the Navy vessels) where all planes combined for 200,000 kills to what happens in the later tours where 600,000 kills are occuring. 40,000 back then is significantly different than 40,000 now.

MiniD

aztec · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:52:14 AM »

Good point as well minid.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:54:12 AM »

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Originally posted by aztec
The perking of the C-Hog was a classic example of the power of mass whining.

If that were true...the La7 would have been perked long ago.

Toad · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:54:39 AM »

Tour 2, it was. And I was (and still am) only an average stick.

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Those were the days my friend
We thought they´d never end
We´d sing and dance forever and a day
We´d live the life we choose
We´d fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.

Ah, the C-hog days. Man, that was fun back then. Especially hearing the LW guys cry; THAT was the real bonus. A terrible shock I guess, realizing that they no longer had "the exclusive" on fighters with 4 cannons. And not the best cannons at that!

EZ mode? This game is definitely easier with a cannon armed plane (well, except the early Zeke) and if you have 4 cannon of any type, it's a major advantage. 4 Hispanos is the pinnacle; I'm finding the Hurri II C sorta EZ mode as well. Rude likes it a lot and it is fun for a while, but I don't think I can stick with it much longer.

In an MA environment, the ability to end a fight with a short burst is an incredible advantage. One can pretend it isn't, but one is only deluding one's self.

Anyway, thanks for the memories!

muckmaw · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:54:57 AM »

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Originally posted by aztec
It was the combination of the C-Hogs inherent flight capabilities and the CANNONS Beetle.

I don't know nearly as much about AH as many of you so I must ask, and there is no sarcasm in this.

Is the Spit 9 in the same class as the C-hog? I mean the plane, from the limited use I've had with it, seems to have great flight characteristics, and it does have a set of hispanos on it. (but not the ammo load out of the C-Hog, IIRC). Is it not good enough to qualify for a perk?

Also another point on what Golfer said:

We have a P-51B and a Spit V in here. Let the people who want to fly their dreamplane fly that until they earn the perks to fly the caddilacs. (Of give em enough perks at the beggingin of each tour for a few sorties)

Mini D · « **Reply #25 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:56:38 AM »

BTW... anyone spot the only time anything broke 100,000 kills for one tour?

Toad · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:07:46 AM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
We have a P-51B and a Spit V in here. Let the people who want to fly their dreamplane fly that until they earn the perks to fly the caddilacs.

If suddenly the Wizards of Perk waved their wand and every Spit sortie was a Spit V and every -51 sortie was a B and every La-7 sortie was a -5.......

how long before the "Perk the V! Perk the B! Perk the -5! I see too many of 'em!" moaning would begin?

The V is a great little ride; I prefer it to the IX, personally, when I'm in a Spit flying mood.

The B? Very minor adjustment for a D driver and a few more assists rather than kills.

I don't really do much in the Russian planes. In fact, I've been doing some La-7 time to see how to deal with them more quickly. Seems you just got to get them slow and then they're meat. But I know I seem to have more trouble killing -5's than -7's overall.

I can hear 'em now though. "All we ever see is V's, B's and 5's! Do something! Perk this! Perk that! HT! HT! HTeeeeeeeee! Those other guys won't fly what I tell them to fly!"

aztec · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:10:04 AM »

Roll those baby blues all you want nobaddy, were you here for the C-Hog whinefest?

muckmaw · « **Reply #28 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:14:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

If suddenly the Wizards of Perk waved their wand and every Spit sortie was a Spit V and every -51 sortie was a B and every La-7 sortie was a -5.......

how long before the "Perk the V! Perk the B! Perk the -5! I see too many of 'em!" moaning would begin?

The V is a great little ride; I prefer it to the IX, personally, when I'm in a Spit flying mood.

The B? Very minor adjustment for a D driver and a few more assists rather than kills.

I don't really do much in the Russian planes. In fact, I've been doing some La-7 time to see how to deal with them more quickly. Seems you just got to get them slow and then they're meat. But I know I seem to have more trouble killing -5's than -7's overall.

I can hear 'em now though. "All we ever see is V's, B's and 5's! Do something! Perk this! Perk that! HT! HT! HTeeeeeeeee! Those other guys won't fly what I tell them to fly!"

Very good points, Toad.

The only alternative in my mind would be to seperate the plane set into 3-4 levels. Level 1 being rhe least capable airplanes, on up to level 5, the most unbalancing, top rides, with perks ranging from 0 for level 1 up to X for level 5 and increasing with each level.

Toad · « **Reply #29 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:17:01 AM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
AH is one of the few games where you can log in and access almost any weapon in the game from day 1.

If Newbies wanna fly a pony on day 1,

Oh, yes, indeedy!

The new guys should have to spend one week in re-supply M3's, then a week flying only goons and then they should be allowed access ONLY to the bottom part of the plane list. The C-202, P-40B, A6M2 type stuff.

We, the more experienced, will lovingly and tenderly guide them through this introductory period, encouraging them, saluting them, allowing them to RTB in smoking hulks instead of dumping them into the sea. Nor will we chute their shoots or take any shots from ahead of their 3-9 line.

It will be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, The Age of Aquarius, THE AGE OF AQUARIUS! A--- QUAR----RI---US!

and HT's revenues will skyrocket as the newbie hordes hear about this paradise and pound on the internet gates of HTC, waving their credit card numbers.

Or... maybe not.