Chog perk vs the "Big Five"

[Rutilant]

I was looking over this rather interesting chart..

http://www.dbstaines.com/TourStats/total/Total.htm

And i thought about the Chog perk becasue i was reminded by muckymuckmuckmaw's thread..

If i'm correct the CHog was perked becuse of usage issues, correct? At it's peak before the perk (i'm assuming the peak was before the perk) it got as much as 40,000 kills in a tour.

The la7 at one point got even more than that(Tour 36). Why wasn't it perked i wonder? Possibly because it doesn't have a full jabo package?

The pony got even higher, at 45,000 kills int he same amount of time, it was clearly used much more than the Chog, and, like the chog carried a full jabo package, all it lacked was four hispanos, but the 6 .50s arent under-par. Nor this was perked. If the Chog was perked due to over-usage, why wasnt the Pony perked?

How about the Spit9? It's seen almost 48,000 kills in tour 42, and has maintained more kills than the chog at it's peak, save for the most recent tour. it also carries a decent jabo and guns package, good manuverability and decent speed, but... I'm focusing on usage, which was supposedly the only reason the Chog was perked... The spit9 hasnt been perked either.

It doesn't make much sense to me, perking the Chog but leaving all these others free..


Flame on.

[Golfer]

P-51 and Spitfire Mk IX are two of the most popular airplanes in the world.  Both are recognized by non-aviation enthusiasts and their exploits are often well known, documented, and publicized.

Perking the P-51 is like sticking a tax on the air you breathe when it comes to not only marketing the game, but airplanes people love.  Think of the new player...what draw is there for them to fly a P-47, 190A8 or F4F?  They don't as often know what those airplanes are, or if they do they don't understand their history.  But...a P-51D?  Who wouldn't give anything to have a chance to fly a P-51?  I would turn in my pilot certificate and disqualify myself from reissuance of a medical to have access to a P-51 even if I could fill the tanks once and fly as far as that will take me.  Don't complain about the P-51 or the Spitfire.  These two airplanes were some of the most highly produced airplanes and I'd consider it a good thing for aviation that if for no other reason, the new guy on a free trial wants to take up his dream plane and try his hand at combat.  You'd take that away from them simply because many people fly it?  You focus in on what you see as a problem, but perking it is no solution.

Next time you're at an airshow and are silenced by the whistle of a P-51's Merlin engine and the thoughts and dreams of wanting to be in the cockpit punching holes in the sky, think about how someone out there might want the chance to have the most simplest of tastes of it using this online game.

Now...the La-7 is another story.  If the La-7 was as big and bad as it's become in here...then why doesnt anyone outside of this game know what the hell it is.  Lavichikawho?  That's one of my most fielded questions when instructing in the Training Arena...simply explaining what the hell an La-7 is.  Knock back the top end speed 10 knots, reduce the acceleration a percent or three and then it's ideal.  But after all this is not a simulator...this is a game.  And lets leave it at that, a game and be happy we have it.

[Rutilant]

Sounds like P51 fanboyism to me. Is a perk cost of 2-3 perks really all that horrific?

[Golfer]

To the folks that don't have any...yes.

You're not going to offset anything by perking an airplane, you'll still have those knucklehead pilots out there who think this is Air-Quake, and you'll always have new guys who just don't know any better.  What was the first plane you took on your first mission on your first day...I promise it wasn't a 205 or a P-47.

Fanboyism, is not a word.

If you think I'm partial to the P-51, sure.  But not because it carries bombs or anything that has to do with Aces High.  It's more than that.  If you can sit back and look at a P-51 and not think thats exactly what a fighter plane should look like...sleek, sexy and looks like its going 400mph just sitting on the ramp...then I'll buy you an airshow pass so you can understand.

Same goes with the Spitfire, regardless of type.  It's the pride of the British people from that era.  It too is arguably one of the best looking fighters out there and it's got that romantic image behind it, the image that it is credited with saving Britain in the summer of 1940.  You want to tell the British lad or lass that signs up that he or she can't fly one of his most historic aircraft, instead needs to fly an early war plane so he can buy a ride?  No.

I doubt your true motivation to post on the subject.  If you truly wanted the airplane perked you'd have taken matters up over the phone with the HTC crew not posted a whine about how one of the most rare variants of the F4U is perked, and so should the most popular airplanes from the Second World War.

USgolfer is a veteran of online flight sims dating back to free Air Warrior on AOL.  Resides in Columbus, OH attending school and has nearly completed a degree in Aviation Management.  Currently a Private Pilot and Ultralight Flight Instructor with the EAA, will within a year posess all FAA ratings short of ATP.  He is a big fan of the P-51 and loves nothing more than hearing that unique 'whistle' of a passing Mustang.  He is also a strong opponent of perking the P-51 Mustang and Spitfire Mk IX.

[Xjazz]

These days CHog is 400lbs(?) heavyer than it was durin the "glory days".

Also arena numbers was bit different too.

[Urchin]

Theres been so much wondering and different bull**** theories about why different planes are perked.  Bottom line is, it is perked because Hitech wanted it perked, and the Big 4 are not perked because Hitech doesn't want them perked.  And my personal pet bull**** theory is that as long as the money keeps rolling in, they never will be either.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Rutilant
It doesn't make much sense to me, perking the Chog but leaving all these others free..

Are you using actual percentages of total kills to compare here, or are you just using total kills?  Using total kills invalidates your entire argument since the number of overall players has increased substantially since the pre-perked CHog days.  Thus if you're talking 40,000 out of 200,000 kills, you can't compare it to 48,000 out of 500,000 kills.

So at its peak, what was the percentage of the total kills obtained by the F4U-1C?  And at its peak, what was the percentage of total kills obtained by the La7?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Rutilant]

First of all, this isnt a whine, i'm questioning the reasoning.

'Fanboyism' not being a word doesnt make you any less of a completely biased fanboy.

If the pony or the spit9 didnt have an earlier variant i could understand, but they do.

Also, the first plane i ever flew WAS a P47.. P47 or P38, not positive which.

[Shane]

valid points made by golfer.

chog/playerbase of 2 years ago much different than now - valid points by DMF.

so you're also advocating perking the fw190d9 and fw109g10? and p47d30?

[Golfer]

If you want to perk the P-51 and Spitfire, then start your own online game.  I wish you the best of luck and hope you'll be happy with this, as you see it, unsatisfactory game that indiscriminately distributes two of the most popular fighters to the masses dedicated solely on striking a nerve deep within your soul by flying them.  I roll my eyes at you, sir.  

[Batz]

the chog was perked because it got near 20% of this kills in the main. Plain and simple.

Total kills may have been lower then todays "big 5"  but the chogs percentage of kills was higher.

Back then the main had a cap of 240 players and averaged around 200 per night. The planeset was less diverse so even the "big 5" then had a larger percentage of total kills then the "big 5" today. It was those tours following the 1.04 fm where chog useage jumped and continued to climb until perked.

Not every one who flew a chog was good so I would guess that it useage was actually higher then its percentage of kills.

If 1 in 5 kills were from chogs and I would guess that 1 out of every 4 planes in air were chogs. There damn sure were alot of them.

The chog was a rare bird in ww2 and had a huge impact on the main. Much larger then any one of the big 5 today or then.

At the time I didnt really care that much if it was perked or not. There certainly were lotsa of whines. But flying in the main after the chog was perked I think ht made the right choice. Its a cheap perk, cheap enough where any one who wants one can get one.

None of the big 5 need perking.

The p51d and p51b are all there is for the p51 fans. add more p40s and p51 mk1 and maybe an a36 then you can perk the p51d.

There is only 3 vvs fighter in the game, 2 of which (yak 9u and la7) could be perked. But since thats all there is for the vvs fans then I would say leave umm unperked until ht adds more vvs planes.

The same with the n1k2. If ht adds more japanese planes then he may look at perking it.

The spit 9, well if you think the spit 9 needs perking you just suck and should quit.

The g10 could be perked if and when we get a 109g6AS or g14.

The d9 could be perked when/if the p51d gets perked.

At this point theres no need to perk any more of the planes we currently have. None have the impact on the main the chog had.

[straffo]

Just look here Rutilant :

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10636

nothing new

[aztec]

The perking of the C-Hog was a classic example of the power of mass whining. Perk em all, perk none...matters not to me, but the need for a wholesale readjustment of ENY values is long overdue.

[Rutilant]

Before you jump all over me, tell me where i asked to have any of those planes perked?

[aztec]

Hmmm, not sure if you meant me or not Rut, but if so I'm certainly not jumping on anybody. Just my view on the ongoing C-Hog Big 5 debate.