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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2003, 02:25:42 PM »
cool, thx :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2003, 03:21:48 PM »
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I hate reading Sci-Fi but I love the movies.


The reason is because it is trully science fiction, unlike that fantasy star wars/trek crap that is pushed in our brains.

Reading 2001 you could almost believe all of it was really happening.

There are other great science fiction authors other than Clarke, namely William Gibson, but his subjects are different. What the internet is now becoming he visioned many years ago in his books.

As for the meaning of 2001, what I understand is that the monolith is a tool by a spacefaring race whose mission is to spread intelligence and consciousness through the galaxy because its what they consider the purest form of beauty.

The monolith acts by stimulating the brains of primitive life forms into developing instincts that will lead them down an evolutionary path straight to a higher intelligence. That is why the monkeys begin using tools.

The monolith on the moon is a beacon. When exposed to sunlight, it transmits a high energy radio wave to inform the godlike alien race that their experiment has succeeded. Humanity has reached the moon and has managed to dig and extract the monolith, a sure sign of very advanced intelligence.

Now the humans must follow the radio signal to its destiny in order to meet the master race.

But HAL9000 goes a lil' bonkers...

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2003, 03:49:19 PM »
Neal Stephenson pwn5 them all.  :)

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2003, 03:54:11 PM »
Funked, as Peter Gabriel said "your language is strange and I have no decoder.."  ;)

Gibson falls more under the cyperpunk genre of Science Fiction, my favorite current sci fi hardcore writer is Alan Steele, but Dan Simmons is right up there with Stephenson for breadth of story.

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2003, 04:02:48 PM »
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The reason is because it is trully science fiction, unlike that fantasy star wars/trek crap that is pushed in our brains.


I really don't know why I can't get into Sci-Fi or even Fantasy novels.  Most of the author's write in a way that makes their characters over the top or the author stays way too long in an area that just winds up making me irritated (namely, the Tom Bombadil part in The Fellowship of the Ring).  History and Historical Fiction are my favorite 2 genres.  But Clarke's writing in the 2001 series was great.  I also really dig a lot of Michael Chrichton's books (Sphere, Eaters of the Dead, Congo...).
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2003, 04:10:15 PM »
Of interest, the book was not written before the movie.  It was written alongside the movie.  Arthur C. Clarke wrote a short story called 'The Sentinel' (which was just about the part on the moon w/ the dug up artifact transmitting), then he worked with kubrick to create the whole story.  Finally, he penned the book as they were filming.

BTW, seconded, the book is a good read.  Also, if you saw the movie 2010, read the book.  The book has some amazing side stories (including the whole thing with the Tsien) that really flesh out the story.

2061 was where it started to go downhill.  No real revolutionary ideas, just an ok space book.  3001 was garbage.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2003, 04:59:42 PM »
The central theme is the evolutionary development of humankind, as Animal says.  And what does Clarke say about it?  This is the understanding I've come to:

(I can't find my copy of "2001" at the moment so this is from memory.)

When one of the early humans begins to use his brain, he looks at a large, long bone, starts thinking about how the tribe on the other side of the watering hole is a problem, looks at the bone again, and begins to see a "(final) solution".  He isn't sure yet exactly what he'll do, "But he would think of something."  He throws the bone in the air, and in the movie it turns into a space plane, invented by his descendents a few hundred thousand years later.

That's us and we are soooo advanced and impressed with our technical knowledge!  But something is missing.  This is hinted at in the scene between the guy on the way to the moon and his daughter when he calls to wish her happy birthday.  What's missing?--a certain humanity, replaced by technological substitutes.  We must evolve beyond what we are today.

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After the astronaut, Dave, encounters the higher intelligence he evolves rapidly into the Starchild and returns to Earth, embryonic, yet mentally & spiritually light-years ahead of the humans he once was.

This is not in the movie, but is in the book:

As the Starchild nears the Earth, this unknown intruder is locked onto by every weapon available.  The Starchild knows this, and isn't sure what do to next.  "But he would think of something."

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Martin Luther King, Jr. understood this when he said, "We live in an age of guided missles and misguided men."  Or something like that.

We must change how we deal with each other if we are to survive.  Evolve or perish.  Humanity has experienced the good and bad of the blessings of technological achievement.  But our learning will be our destruction if we do not evolve wisdom to guide our use of it.


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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2003, 05:18:58 PM »
Minor nit, the bone disapears and is replaced by a satellite.  In the written notes for the movie, it's specifically a nuclear attack satellite (which is the perfect transition from the early bone weapon).
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2003, 05:25:06 PM »
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Minor nit, the bone disapears and is replaced by a satellite.  In the written notes for the movie, it's specifically a nuclear attack satellite (which is the perfect transition from the early bone weapon).


And thus the greastest edit in the history of cinema was born...
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2003, 06:19:44 PM »
Thanks for that detail, Chairboy.  Never heard that before.

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2003, 08:20:40 PM »
Hehehe... look at the alphanumeric codes on the screen... :cool:



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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2003, 09:52:44 PM »
Good eye, DA98.  But, perhaps you have something better to do than study the meaningless details on your new screen saver?  Then who am I to talk; I did the same thing!   :D

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2003, 11:45:03 PM »
Yes, what is ST Pro Gel exactly? Does it have something to do with Arthur C Clarkes other 'hobby' :D

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2003, 11:58:49 PM »
Another one of the screens reads "voight kampff", a reference to the A.I test in 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' by Philip K. Dick (this book was later adapted into the movie 'Blade Runner')

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2003, 01:09:31 PM »
Animal,

I noticed that "voight kampf" and wondered where that came from; I can't believe of all the references you picked out the one I had wondered about.  Amazing.  Similar thing the other day:  I went to the grocery store, and while there thought, "I've got to call Cecelia (a woman I work with) when I get home.  Not a minute later, there is Cecelia, shopping at a Giant 10 miles from home.  We greeted each other, and I said I had just come to buy rice milk, but didn't know where it was.  "Oh, it's right here", she said, pointing to a shelf I couldn't see, but just a few feet from me.  Cecelia, MRPLUTO, and the rice milk all converged in time and space as if planned that way.  I'll bet Rod Serling (creator of "The Twilight Zone") was there, too, but we just didn't see him.



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