Frame Rates...Stop Kidding Yourselves

[2Hawks]

Tarmac I would consider your system good in the game, and FPS will never exceed your refresh rate.

Your FPS can only go up to but not exceed your monitors refresh frequency.

[Gunslinger]

2Hawks....just for clarification...I never said that's why they chose 60Hz....I said u wont see a light bulb flicker at that rate.....or u could say your brain wont see it....either way (and I think we are in agreement here) SUPER HIGH frame rates really dont make a difference in the visual aspects of the game

[g00b]

I can see the differance of a monitors refresh between 60-75-85 but not more than that. A friend and I tested it, he would set the refresh on my monitor randomly and I would guess the refresh, I was right most of the time.

I learned this as a pc repair guy in a previous life, I would look at someone else's screen (90% of people have their refresh at 60) and notice that it was 60. A quick test I use it to wave your hand in front of the monitor, see the strobing? The faster the refresh, the less strobing. I would postulate that when the refresh is high enough the strobing effect will go away, or at least match the normal strobing you percieve when looking at you waving hand.

Now here's the kicker, what is the refresh of your eyes/brain? It must have one, as you can see when an airplane propeller (or car wheel, or fan) speeds up, it looks like it  slows, stops, then spins the other way. This can only be atributed to some sort of refresh in you optic center.

hmmmmm...

[2Hawks]

Originally posted by g00b


Now here's the kicker, what is the refresh of your eyes/brain? It must have one, as you can see when an airplane propeller (or car wheel, or fan) speeds up, it looks like it  slows, stops, then spins the other way. This can only be atributed to some sort of refresh in you optic center.

hmmmmm...

Another trick for figuring out the refresh is looking at the monitor with what astronomers refer to as "Averted Vision".  Watch the screen with your peripheral vision and you will notice a perceptable flicker. This would suggest a lot about the ability of the human mind to change the perception of it'as focus. -- But here I could go into all kinds of topics.

I will agree with the strobing effect with the hand,  but for watching the tires, or a propeller, try that during the day with NO artificial lighting and not in some electronically reproduced fashion.

If there is a perceptable difference in the view of the object in question then it would confirm my previous statement that everyone is different, but only because their optic centers run at a different refresh rate. The mind is afterall, the most complicated electrical device we know of on this planet. Try teaching a robot to catch a ball or breakdance...

Pick a refresh rate that you like and let that be it.  Save the technical jargon for boring the spouse to submitting into the upgrade expenditure.

[BenDover]

Yeah, if you can't see more than 30 fps, and 60 Hz is double that, my eyes hurt and i get a headache after an hour or 2, but if i have my refresh rate at 85 Hz, i can use it for hours?

[2Hawks]

Originally posted by BenDover
Yeah, if you can't see more than 30 fps, and 60 Hz is double that, my eyes hurt and i get a headache after an hour or 2, but if i have my refresh rate at 85 Hz, i can use it for hours?

Heh, I guess your "Optical Refresh Rate" is between 70 and 85 then huh? heheh

[Desl0ck]

so.... which is better for improved gameplay/fr... vsync On.. or Off?..(or that nifty auto-select)

[jodgi]

Vsync on will be best.
I've never seen any good reasons to leave it off except for testing.

I saw a discussion once that started out at 30fps, later all concluded that 60fps is the magic number (or above). That was in relation to FPS games.

[2Hawks]

Originally posted by Desl0ck
so.... which is better for improved gameplay/fr... vsync On.. or Off?..(or that nifty auto-select)

Turn Vsynch off if the game is unplayable,  otherwise turn it oin if you don't notice the difference. -- Some people don't have the hottest hardware, and have to do what it takes to get what you want.

[jodgi]

Vsync off won't boost performance.
If you have lower framerates than your monitor refresh rate, then Vsync off will do nothing to raise your framerates.

I say again, there is no point in turning Vsync off, unless for testing.

[BenDover]

Originally posted by jodgi
Vsync off won't boost performance.
If you have lower framerates than your monitor refresh rate, then Vsync off will do nothing to raise your framerates.

I say again, there is no point in turning Vsync off, unless for testing.

guess you've never play natural selection 1.04?

[jodgi]

[zmeg]

The game is not playable with v-sync off, the tearing effect makes for a very ugly picture, use this setting only for tweaking your vidio settings then turn it on to play.

[2Hawks]

In the past when the refresh rate is capable and everything else is capable except the video card, turning off vsynch (WM2/3) made the gzme playable. --Vsynch has it's place otherwise it wouldn't be there.

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

I have had enough. I am having bad dreams at night about big ugly Vsync monsters attacking my CV

Ok, how come this topic died when it got to the best part? Rubber Bullets!!

Who gives a rats butt about graphics? I want 100% hit registering!

Explain that one for me!!!!