Author Topic: Bombers in the CT (Read 1544 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2003, 01:58:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
ks should be "off" is how it should have read, but... i know what you're saying. to assauge any potential pangs of conscious, angle for the "immersion" factor.

I'm all for immersion. The kids can't handle it. *ShruG*

Oldman731 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2003, 02:03:55 PM »

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Originally posted by scJazz
The whole point in a "war" is to make life irritating for the enemy. The whole point of a simulation is to mimic a real condition. Therefore bombers coming over to a field and rendering it unusable is a valid tactic.

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If the Elitist Furballing Arena with Rotating Plane Set is really what the majority of the people flying in the CT want then let us truely put it to a vote.

Jazz, there's a whole CT balance thing that you're ignoring. Obviously the CT doesn't appeal to as great an audience as does, say, the MA, and so getting - and keeping - people in the arena has always been a challenge. Making life irritating for them is not a technique calculated to increase numbers, particularly on a map such as we have at present, where many of us really do not want to spend five minutes flying to a two-minute fight, then spending another five minutes flying to it...you can see where the proportions lead.

In a broader sense, I dispute your notion that we are trying to fight a war in the CT. We aren't. They do that in the MA, where conquest yields a result. In the CT it doesn't. No goal is advanced by bombing the fighter hangers, other than making it harder for your opponents to get to you for a fight. The "real war" tactics of ganging, vulching, and base porking may win a war, but they don't make it enjoyable, and many of us, even the most dedicated CT-types, leave when that happens.

I, for one, don't object to bombers, because many of the fighters are more effective in ground attack, and I know some good people who like to fly bombers. I object to the attitude that making it harder for the other side to get to the fight is a good thing - whether they're flying in bombers or fighters, floating in boats or driving jeeps.

Finally....if you insist on calling for a vote....I vote on the side of the Elitist Furballers, whom I can admire, if not emulate.

- oldman

Squire · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2003, 03:27:22 PM »

Fighters exist because of bombers, the CT would be a pointless wasteland without them. Might as well just fly in the DA. Enough said.

Arlo · « **Reply #18 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:00:03 PM »

On top of that, resetting the CT generally porks it up bad ... unlike the MA.

Sundiver · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2003, 07:17:29 PM »

I can see both sides up to a certain point. I was a dedicated buff driver for a year and truly enjoyed it. But seriously. Are you trying to tell me the buffs are more than a minor annoyance?

How many people do you know that can put the eggs on target? While under attack from fighters and flying through flack? I'd be willing to wager most buff drivers actually hit a FH maybe, /maybe/ 30 percent of the time that's probably being extremely generous.

I generally ask for both a fighter escort and a gunner when I'm flying a buff. I much prefer being able to concentrate on the bomb run. I'm also all for "realistic" wind levels and layers. I like the added challenge to deliver the ordinance. Anyone who doesn't think putting bombs on target from 15k through wind layers while under fighter assault isn't as challenging as a good dogfight has never tried it.

On another note, quite frankly I've /rarely/ seen buffs used in conjunction with ANY base capture. 9.99 times out of ten it's a Squadron doing a JABO run with a M3 waiting. Fighter pilots in AH overall just don't have the paitence to escort buffs and wait for them to soften things up before going in for a capture.

So don't blame the buffs for base capture most of the time it's the fighter jocks doign JABO runs.

Arlo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2003, 09:56:03 PM »

I ain't blaming the availability of bombers, bombs, tanks, goons, m3s, psychological warfare, chemical warfare, biologocal warfare, nookelar warfare, pornography in the trenches, sheep stds, republicans, democrats, green peacers, bishes, knights, rooks, pawns, allies, axis, el salvadorians, hondurans, the war on drugs or dee debil.

This is a player issue alone. This map was probably pressed into service based on it's attractive features (possibly the closest thing the CT staff could find that approximates S. America). It's not set up for quick fights. Of course, this pleases 7.3% of the players who play in the CT arena on a regular basis and 2.4% of the MA visitors. Ok ... I made those figures up.

Maybe .... maaaaaayybeeee .... someday there might be a Honduran-El Salvador map and skins created with a better base setup ... but until then this is what this setup looks like. And there's been some fun fights in the a2-a3 region. Is there any good reason to disrupt that one potential furball? Because someone doesn't like furballs? And they're being forced to fly in that furball?

*ShruG*

Well, since all it takes is one player with a chip on their shoulder to "make a point" to the furballers .... and since we know there's always at least one in the crowd ... this post was a monumental waste of time. (hits submit reply ... wth)

Arlo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2003, 11:02:35 PM »

I've got a 2v1 kill ratio on the F4U-4 in my F4U-1d in the "Soccer Wars." Most of the players flying the -4 in this setup don't know what the hell they're doing. Basically the only time they kill me is when I dive into a swarm of em and even then I get one or two first. (Certainly not practicing what I preach to my squadies in that case).

The -4 ain't no more reason not to fly this setup than the Zekes or Tonys vs the Pee 40 in the last CT Pac.

Just put your game face on and kill em.

Oh ... and the F4U-4 vs the F4U-1d is the least misrepresentative part of this set historically .... except for the fact that the -4 is actually filling in for the -5 and -5N.

shoppe · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2003, 10:49:30 AM »

Seems to me that what a lot of people here would enjoy is something similar to "Fighter town" that they had in AW. No buffs, no Gvs or boats, just 3 or 4 bases for each side, that can't be porked and furballing heaven. Maybe not a place people would like to fly all the time, but when the maps or planesets are not to their liking, off to Fighter town.

Shop

Shane · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2003, 12:06:28 PM »

buffs have their place/role....

but it is annoying if some frustrated goober kills the only FH's at bases that aren't really trying ot be taken and used as furball central.

i think it'd be nice if no formations were allowed, tho' - force them to at least be escorted.

keyapaha · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2003, 12:49:00 PM »

Heck even the BOB and Big Week set up when there should be lots of bombers flying u hardly ever see any,this is about the only time I up them and usually I the only one in them.I used to have lots of time to carefully plan out a good bombing srtike always hitting strat targets but the flight time of a half hour each way and hardly ever seeing any action (which to me is a sucessfull mission) is a bit too long even for me these days.

1Duke1 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2003, 03:28:10 PM »

The F4U-4 has no place in this scenario in those lopsided numbers OR both sides should have had them AND the pony equally. You can leave or keep the Jug (few seem to appreciate it's true potential). That would be a truer representation of what actually occurred in that splendid little war.

Holy cow!!

Last week you were complaining about the Spits....this week it's the F4u_4's....

WHY WON'T THEY FLY WHAT I WANT THEM TO FLY THE WAY I WANT THEM TO FLY?? I CAN'T KILL THEN AND THEY ARE KILLING ME...TAKE THEM OUT!!!

Sounds like you need to take a break....sorry this isn't Storch's little CT playground. If ya don't like it either brace up and tough it out, or shove off mate.

1Duke1 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2003, 05:11:47 PM »

Ooohh...such a mature and well thought out response. Thanks for the name calling....touched a nerve, eh?

Guess I shouldn't have expected anything less.

So, if your not flying the setup, then why post a whine about it??

Arlo · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:08:03 PM »

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1Duke1 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:57:41 PM »

LOL...u are a class act Storch. Make accusations...call me names...then run away by saying ur "not gonna respond to anything further" from me. LOL

Ur right, your post wasn't directed at me...touch a nerve? Yeah probably. After I read, and reread your post...I finally decided I was fed up with reading people piss and moan about the planesets in here.

And bud, you don't know a thing about me, so go ahead a keep calling me names and writing whatever crap pops into that little head of yours if it makes ya feel better. It takes a lot of courage to do that from behind a computer screen:eek:

Slash27 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2003, 10:07:19 PM »

my threads are my observations and my opinions. I have opinions as we all do and am entitled to them.

So is Duke.

seen me on lately dikwad ??

Yes