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Offline Saurdaukar

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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2003, 11:47:32 AM »
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I smell a book deal followed by a movie of the week.



Both of which will follow the civil case which will, of course, follow the criminal case.

She'll get her money even if she loses the first round.  Talk about an expensive prostitute.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2003, 12:55:35 PM »
could have all been solved if the scumbag didnt cheat on his wife.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2003, 12:58:49 PM »
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Both of which will follow the civil case which will, of course, follow the criminal case.

She'll get her money even if she loses the first round.  Talk about an expensive prostitute.


If she loses the criminal trial, a gigantic civil suit will be next.  Civil suits are much easier to win and she'll sting him there.

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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2003, 01:04:58 PM »
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could have all been (avoided) if the scumbag didnt cheat on his wife.


Bingo.  Right on the mark.  (you meant to say "avoided" instead of "solved", right?)
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2003, 01:09:05 PM »
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I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

Ok so she had sex with someone else, heck she could even be a groupie.
She could have been doing the whole TEAM! Thats not the point. Her reputation is not on trial here.

Point was he went to far, she said no, he didn't listen.

We ALL know when going out with someone new you can get away with whatever you can get away with. But when she says NO you STOP!

For me the telling evidence was the strangle marks on her neck & the bruising in the groin area.

Seems obvious to me he was going someplace she couldn't handle & pulled the whistle.


Because of the presence of semen/pubic hair from multiple men, the reliability of her accusation comes under scrutiny.  

Had there been, say, a blouse torn from her or significant bruises and contusions consistent with assault, then yes, her character would not become part of the trial.

Her reliability as an individual is going to be questioned and she's going to lose.

Minor bruising around the neck and groin area is not an unusual occurrence in sex between young people.

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2003, 01:10:56 PM »
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could have all been solved if the scumbag didnt cheat on his wife.


True enough, but thats an issue to be dealt with between his wife and him.  No monetary amount given to the plantiff will 'solve' that.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2003, 01:12:40 PM »
told you he'll walk when he was first accused before any of this was brought to light

they'll paint her as a potato and him as the victim
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2003, 01:23:26 PM »
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told you he'll walk when he was first accused before any of this was brought to light

they'll paint her as a potato and him as the victim


And who knows, Eagler, your statements may well represent the truth.  Stranger things have happened ...

In the absence of hard (no pun intended) physical evidence, the reliability of the accuser and accused necessarily become part of the trial.

Demonstrably, Kobe has been a solid citizen in the past.  Has she?

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2003, 01:26:15 PM »
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Demonstrably, Kobe has been a solid citizen in the past.  Has she?

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She is not on trial, he is. You are making Eagler's point.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2003, 01:29:01 PM »
Hey, Kobe is a scumbag idiot.  No doubt about it.  That doesn't mean that he deserves to go to jail for rape if he didn't do it.

The chick's a slut.  No doubt about it.  That doesn't mean there is absolutely no way she could have gotten raped.

Personally, I don't see how they are going to get a conviction out of this.  There is no way to be reasonably sure that Kobe raped that woman.  Its he said she said and no one can tell with any certainty what went on in that room after the door closed.
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2003, 01:31:17 PM »
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She is not on trial, he is.


Actually, she is.  He's innocent until she can prove otherwise.  The veracity of her testimony will make or break the case.  The presence of third party DNA will raise speculation as to whether he was the one that did the bruising or not.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2003, 01:33:01 PM »
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Actually, she is.  He's innocent until she can prove otherwise.  The veracity of her testimony will make or break the case.  The presence of third party DNA will raise speculation as to whether he was the one that did the bruising or not.


Why, did she say the third party raped her?
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2003, 02:16:55 PM »
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Why, did she say the third party raped her?


No, but it makes proving Kobe's involvement 'beyond a reasonable doubt' difficult.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2003, 03:14:30 PM »
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No, but it makes proving Kobe's involvement 'beyond a reasonable doubt' difficult.


Why?
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2003, 03:21:57 PM »
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Why?


Because before this new evidence, Koby was the only person there was any evidence COULD have caused whatever injuries she had. Now it appears that there may have been a 3rd person involved.

If the prosecution can not show that Koby is the one who caused these injuries, then the is reasonable to consider that someone else (whoever was leaving DNA in her shorts) MIGHT have been the one rersponsible for her injuries.  For the Jury this could be enough to cause "reasonable doubt." I mean, if it could have just as easilby been one as the other, I'm not sure they could sustain a charge against Kobe....

Before the second schlong evidence, it was a question of whether or not she was raped. Now, even if that questionn is sufficiently answered, there is the additional question of "who raped her?"
It certainly looks like it will complicate the prosecution's task if allowed in.  

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