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Offline Leslie

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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2003, 03:58:31 AM »
It is treason no matter who does it.  Not surprising a journalist would put it in the news.  They wrong mindedly think the people have the right to know.

Yep, the media is the fifth column, and they didn't get that name for nothing.  I agree, the journalist and everyone involved in the leak needs jail time to think about the price of freedom.





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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2003, 08:23:37 AM »
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If the journalist uses privileged information, why is he exempt?  
edit-Exempt form disclosure, not prosecution, that is.


Because Novak is protected by the freedom of the press clauses in the US Constitution.

Novak did not comit a crime. The law which was broken only applies to federal employees - which Novak is not.

If he were a Patriot and a true American he wouldn't be protecting this "traitor" to our National Security.

I would think in times of war... the White House could exercise the Patriot Act on Novak... take him to Cuba, wrap wet towels around his face, and hang him from ceiling on a meat hook with jumper cables clamped to his testicals.

I'm sure the Traitor's name will flow freely from his change in attitude.

ah but we don't do that in America... (only in Cuba)

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2003, 09:20:34 AM »
The press is not protected by the constitution from a treasonous act. That's just plain bull****. If what Novak did was treason he should be prosecuted. If it wasn't then those making these accusations should shut the hell up.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2003, 09:20:55 AM »
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Time will tell, but by damned, someone better swing for this.  

Doesnt have to be the guilty party either.  A good "jerk to jesus" on the account of an innocent man will sure as hell straighten out the perp.  Thats fer sure and fer certain.

And besides, the innocent guy gets a free pass to heaven.  Everyone comes out a winner!  Its a win-win scenario.


You make it sound so inviting. I'm sure a quick note to GWB explaining the benefits of your plan will result in hundreds of volunteers. I bet you'd be first in line too.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2003, 09:50:07 AM »
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The press is not protected by the constitution from a treasonous act. That's just plain bull****. If what Novak did was treason he should be prosecuted. If it wasn't then those making these accusations should shut the hell up.



thats an interesting way of looking at it.  I'm sure Bush would be more comfortable if we all took that stance.  or whoever is in the whitehouse(assumeing you keep that atitude when a democrats in).

It doesn't take a harvard law degree to figure out that naming covert intelligence opertatives is treason.

It could very well be that Novak isn't being pursued at this time because they aren't sure if higher ranking officials are well enough insulated from blame.

what ever the reason, he should be tried on treason charges.  whoever suplied him with the name should be tried for treason.
as citesen we have a right and a responsability to judge what the gov't does and call for action if we don't feel they are doing what they should.




and as far as the opinions some have that him being a member of the press, or his right to free speach,  somehow protect Novak, thats pure crap,  we've always had reasonable limits.

to me this is the equivilant 'outting' under-cover police officers.  maybe posting pictures names addresses, who their spouse is, where their kids go to school.  should that be legal too?  

the day after an arest you could have stories like-
"local gang member arrested today, evedence was recieved with help of undercover officer joe smith (pictured above), his wife sue(also pictured) works the night shift as a warehouse security guard at 11th and main, where she is alone from 10pm to 4am every weeknight.  the couple have a beautyful 7 year old daughter (also pictured) who attends east side elementary and walks home where she waits alone for her parents until 5."

we've already had cases that proved that not everything is fit to print.  remember the websight that posted names, pics and addresses of abortion doctors?  If I remembor corectly the courts shut that one down.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2003, 10:01:40 AM »
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It doesn't take a harvard law degree to figure out that naming covert intelligence opertatives is treason.


Exactly. Which leads me to believe that she wasn't. Indicting Novak doesn't let anyone off the hook. In fact, it will be even more likely that the leak will be revealed.

All sounds like a lot of political posturing and bull**** to me. When charges are prosecuted I may change my mind.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2003, 10:47:48 AM »
Well BUSH Supporters.....

Why hasn't the Bush Administration asked his conservative ally and friend Robert Novak to give up the person who committed this crime of TREASON?

I would think that Novak being an American, and now realizing the seriousness of what has happened... would give this guy up.. this guy is not a whistle blower but a Traitor to this country.

There's no reason for Novak to protect him.

This is stituation is everything the Republicans have been saying they are fighting against.

Why hasn't Bush pursued this?

Bush is holding Americans with out due process to fight the war on Terrorism. He's holding them in Cuba - off American Soil... so that they can be tortured and coherced for information.

Novak knows who the official is... why doesn't Bush ask?

Why doesn't Bush want to know who this guy is?

This country is at WAR!

Who ever leaked the CIA information.... may do it again... what other sensative information will they reveal and to whom?

The guy who can put an stop to the leak - Robert Novak - should be interrogated and compelled to give it up.

Don't you all agree?

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2003, 10:53:21 AM »
You really should go easier on the caffein Nexus.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2003, 11:30:22 AM »
Or the drugs.

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2003, 11:34:59 AM »
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Why hasn't the Bush Administration asked his conservative ally and friend Robert Novak to give up the person who committed this crime of TREASON?


Do you know for a fact that they haven't?

sources please
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2003, 03:19:34 PM »
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Can you substantiate that?


Who do you think you're talking to?
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Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982:

                  CHAPTER 15--NATIONAL SECURITY
         
   SUBCHAPTER IV--PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION

Sec. 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the nited States, shall be fined not more than $25,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2003, 03:27:50 PM »
That does not cover Novak, unless he has a security clearance and saw the information in Classified documents.  It may not even cover the leaker.

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2003, 03:30:20 PM »
So I read both (a) and (b) to try and discern a difference in status between the two, and couldn't find it.  Why is one $50,000 and ten years, and the other is $25,000 and five years?

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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2003, 03:32:03 PM »
but it would cover whoever leaked it to the leaker.  just follow the leak back to the person with a security clearance.

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2003, 03:34:07 PM »
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So I read both (a) and (b) to try and discern a difference in status between the two, and couldn't find it. Why is one $50,000 and ten years, and the other is $25,000 and five years?


as I read it

person (a) has access to classified info naming the identity.

person (b) has acess to classified info and from that was able to figure out the identity.