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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: DoKGonZo on August 18, 2004, 09:59:25 PM
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Rangoon '42 is expected to run before year's end. Dux is building the terrain now. The actual terrain bed stretches from Mandalay to Singapore to Saigon, but we only will populate the area we need for now.
This will most likely be an 8-mission (Sat and Sun) event in the classic angst-riddled, ulcer-inducing style. Exact dates and times are still being worked out, as are the finishing touches on the event description (which is like 6 pages long as it is ... geezuz). It's constructed to hold around 320 or so players, and we're hoping to get a full roster owing to the unique nature of the event, and the uncertainty of when I'll get talked into this again.
My Scenario Site (http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/) has the current description and rules, a preview of the area map, and a bunch of links to background info on the actual battle.
Note that this is a semi-what-if event ... it takes the course of the battle in a different direction based on where things started at the beginning of 1942. In keeping with the actual battle altitudes will be comparatively low - mostly below 15K - and radar will be all but non-existant.
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Looks fun!
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Great, a chance to take part in one of your scenarios I've heard so much about! I missed the Air Warrior scenarios as I only started playing in July 1998. I'm looking forward to finally participating in what looks like being a fun event. :cool:
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website looks impressive, a lot work has bean done, wow
i wish to have correct planeset for this event, but HTC not care much about that
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That is a lot of work.
I thought something else was running in November but I’m probable confused. A couple of comments.
This quote needs careful review:
The spacing for the fields should be such that a loaded Ju-88 can launch, climb to 10,000 ft, and then get to “Rangoon” and back – all in about two hours.
The terrain builder will make the map pretty much to your specification so think for a minute what you’ve said here. If Dux follows your instructions to the letter it will mean the bombers must launch and fly a direct route with no time or fuel to very their flight path and yet again, bombers will be relegated to fill the roll as useless bait in another scenario. The fighters can be brought together anywhere so make sure you have the bomber part right and the rest will follow. Put yourself in the bomber GLs shoes. Would you want to lead 6-10 people along the same flight path every week knowing the horde was waiting or that your targets are something like 4K fighter hangers scattered at impossible angles? I don’t think you’d want to show up after a frame or two.
Take one third the number of minutes for a frame including any rtb time after hostilities end and see how far the slowest bomber will go from launch at CRUISE or ECONOMICAL manifold settings, not full throttle. That’s the maximum distance the target should be from the launch base. If you offer a second ride for the bomber pilots, it needs to be even closer so the bomber guys have a chance to actually use that second ride.
I haven’t finished reading all your outline but you have another disturbing sentence in your setup:
Quote: There should be medium clouds moving around the target area and about 1-2 sectors out from that. The cloud base should be at 10,000 feet. Meaning that for the bombers to be able to get to target and know for sure they can see it to drop they need to descend to below 10,000 feet. Everywhere else should be clear skies.
Do you really intend to force the level bombers to fly through the ack? I don’t think the cloud layer is even necessary, at least not for the stated purpose but if you want it for atmosphere then keep it but raise it to 11 or 12K. If I remember correctly from AH1, it takes a while for the clouds to build and sometimes they can be very annoying to everybody even if they don’t mess up frame rates.
On the matter of targets, a Bomber GL should not need to fling his pilots across the sky on separate paths in order to hit the assigned targets. For examples of terrains with good target layouts, look at the rows of barracks and bunkers on the AH1 Slot map or the rows of barracks on the Niemen map. For examples of what not to do, look at the FHs at the ports or the gun emplacements at the Heavy Vehicle Bases on the Kurland map.
I’m in favor of capping the altitude on scenario in order to make them faster paced and suggest that enemy bar dar be turned on at 20-25K for everybody. Fly above it and you show to anyone with the clipboard up.
I don’t think setting different altitude caps for the combatants is going to set too well with the community and it will be a nightmare for the CM to enforce.
It should be interesting to see how this develops.
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The terrain is already worked out. It's about a 6-sector transit flight up the gut. Probably closer to 45 minutes including climb-out. Ju88 cruises at 275 at 10K so it should work. It'll be somewhat slower on the way in with bombs, but on the way out with a little dive it can run well. That leaves plenty of time to work less direct routes.
Clouds aren't cast in concrete. I also didn't want to set up a situation where the Allies had an easy bounce over the target. I may leave the clouds off in the first mission to see how things go, and then add them later at different places to keep balance.
There will be 24 primary structures in Rangoon and 24-36 bombers available to destroy these. You'll be dropping from relatively low (compared to MA) altitude, so you should have some decent accuracy and the 88 carries a nice payload. At that altitude you could probably destroy a large building just with the internal 50kg bombs. But I'm allowing the externals as well to ensure that each bomber can take out it's building.
On top of which, you'll have 2 or 3 (depending on force selection) strike groups. So you can allocate targets based on the directions these groups will be coming from. You don't have to. You can concentrate everything in one group. But you will be attacking a major metropolitan area, it shouldn't be as easy as de-acking a field in the MA.
In the past I've had very few problems with people violating pre-engagement altitudes. And you guys enforce it when you spot each other. If things look wrong then run 2 seconds of film, save it, send it - done.
This battle was fought under 15K, so having Zekes and P-40's clawing for air at 30K would not only be completely unrealistic, it'd be no damn fun given the climb rates and high-alt performance of these planes.
Besides which, the Ju88 climbs so slow you'll use 1/3 of your fuel getting to 20K.
I'm surprised no one griped about bombers flying as singles.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm surprised no one griped about bombers flying as singles.
Only because I didn't see it - not read all the details yet.... I would prefer formations to give us a fighting chance.... it's not like we can take a full complement of gunners, and in fact having a gunner would mean the pilot being stuck in the cockpit....
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Originally posted by Flossy
Only because I didn't see it - not read all the details yet.... I would prefer formations to give us a fighting chance.... it's not like we can take a full complement of gunners, and in fact having a gunner would mean the pilot being stuck in the cockpit....
Take up a Hurricane I offline and try shooting a drone. Observe how much .303 you need to dump into a P51 to get stuff to break off, let alone make it explode. Notice how long you need to sit there in firing range.
Now look at the performance tables, notice how the Ju88 is only like 50mph slower than most of the Allied fighters at 10K.
24 Ju88's in tight formation is plenty against these early war planes.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Take up a Hurricane I offline and try shooting a drone. Observe how much .303 you need to dump into a P51 to get stuff to break off, let alone make it explode. Notice how long you need to sit there in firing range.
Now look at the performance tables, notice how the Ju88 is only like 50mph slower than most of the Allied fighters at 10K.
24 Ju88's in tight formation is plenty against these early war planes.
Just look how hard it is to down a Ju88 in the present BOB with a Hurr I. It's not an easy task, and sitting on his six shooting, only leads to a test of the rescue rules.
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Originally posted by airbumba
Just look how hard it is to down a Ju88 in the present BOB with a Hurr I. It's not an easy task, and sitting on his six shooting, only leads to a test of the rescue rules.
Also bear in mind that one of the big reasons contributing to heavy IJA bomber losses then was that the bombers often got ahead of their fighters and arrived over target without escort.
This problem won't be as bad in the event as the A6M2 is faster that the fighters which were actually involved. Even so, if the escort gets a sector behind the bombers for some reason, it will be very hard for them to get back on station without having the bombers wait for them. And that gives the Allies a chance to assemble a coordinated attack.
And that's the kind of in-air decision that CO's will need to deal with.
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It sounds like you're on the right track.
Most of the Allies will have 50 cals and the IJN will have cannon, not 303s. Any of these fighters can easily kill the bombers if flown by an experienced pilot and there won't be many (any?) gunner joins without formations as Flossy insinuated.
You might need to bribe Hitech to fix the top turret tail interrupter cutout on the Boston before this event starts. ;)
Use .target 40 and see what I mean.
Also, I'll be very surprised to see more then twelve pilots actually flying bombers by frame 2. Bombers aren't popular in AH and these are two of the least popular bombers in the inventory.
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Originally posted by Easyscor
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Also, I'll be very surprised to see more then twelve pilots actually flying bombers by frame 2. Bombers aren't popular in AH and these are two of the least popular bombers in the inventory.
The Blenheim guys - to me anyway - have the coolest job in the event. 4 nose-mounted .303's is certainly enough to take out an Ju-88's engine - to hell with the dorsal gunner.
Keeping the ranks filled is up to the team leaders. This is a long event and it will likely sway back and forth at least once. That means some people may need to swallow their "pride" and fly bombers once in a while. And some late recruiting may need to be done.
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"I'm surprised no one griped about..."
Patience please. It's still early ;)
(wets thumb and starts strolling thru rolodex looking for Gypsy Barons email....)
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Out of curiosity....
Will Dux model the 5k height of the mountain range running down the peninsula in the map he's creating? (thanks Dux!)
And a big thank you DoK. I'm looking forward to this one very much. The write up is really intriguing. I'm still reading through it but what I've perused sure seems to be laying out one hell of a scenario. I'll bet there'll be a few holes punched in walls and more than just a couple of people will need to be peeled down from the ceiling. :)
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Just saw this thread.
We are fuly supporting this scenario just for the record.
More than willing to let someone else take the HEAT for a while !
:)
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Yes ... mountains will be there and top out at around 5K. Major rivers will be in place too.
We're trying to lock in dates and times now ... we may have to scale back to 6 missions if we want this to run before year's end. But that may be OK given that few AH flyers have experienced this level of play before.
Also quite likely I'll scale down the sides to ensure we fill the event with a nice supply of stand-bys.
Hopefully we can start taking applications for command staff around the long weekend and open registration early September.
Below is the current event logo I'm working on. I plan to sign up for a cafepress.com store and let people who want a souvenir buy items at cost (i.e. I won't make money off this but I also don't have time or spare cash to produce and distribute these myself). I always designed event patches before, but now with cafepress, well, it's easier to get items made that people want.
(http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/datas/users/1-rangoon_logo2b.gif)
(Now I gotta remember how to get that text on the bottom flipped the right way in Illustrator ... been so many years since I designed one of these ... and, no, I didn't do the P40, I ordered a Warbirds clipart CD.)
edit ...
(Thanks, Dux ... its fixed now ...)
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Hell, I'm preregistering RIGHT NOW. I want a god blessed P40 slot. :cool:
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hmmmm....
this link have error... or site is removed
http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/
Have problem - pls confirm this
pozdro
Lolo
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DoK, in Illustrator... use the white selector tool to select the path of the bottom text. Look for the I-beam shaped text insert "caret"... grab the top of it (which will be on the bottom of the path, pointing straight down) and drag it across the path line up to the top of the text path.
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Any idea yet what the dates are likely to be? Just the month would do. I'm organising the UK con this year and dont want it to clash ;)
Trip
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Originally posted by lolo
hmmmm....
this link have error... or site is removed
http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/
Have problem - pls confirm this
It works fine ... could be DNS problems during the nite.
I've been posting a lot of event notes on my forums there. So a lot of issues may already be answered.
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Originally posted by Trip01
Any idea yet what the dates are likely to be? Just the month would do. I'm organising the UK con this year and dont want it to clash ;)
I'm guessing, but right now it looks like it'll start the beginning of Nov and run for 6 Saturdays.
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Originally posted by Dux
DoK, in Illustrator... use the white selector tool to select the path of the bottom text. Look for the I-beam shaped text insert "caret"... grab the top of it (which will be on the bottom of the path, pointing straight down) and drag it across the path line up to the top of the text path.
Ah ... got it ... I knew it was something easy and obvious ... thanks.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Hell, I'm preregistering RIGHT NOW. I want a god blessed P40 slot. :cool:
Speaking of which:
(http://www.skycaptain.com/downloads/SkyCaptain18_800x600.jpg)
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I flew in Doc's scenario "Sol-II" back in WB-97 IIRC. Looking forward to this one already :D
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Originally posted by Octavius
Hell, I'm preregistering RIGHT NOW. I want a god blessed P40 slot. :cool:
same here i want a P-40 spot too.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
same here i want a P-40 spot too.
Just so folks are prepared, the way I handle the sign up process is kind of like this:
First I get the command staff's set. CO, XO, and at least half the group/squadron leaders if possible.
The command team will then be able to pre-register about 25% of the force pool. This ensures a foundation where there's balanced skill on each side. It also means that when general registration opens, folks can see that there's skill players on each side.
Open registration happens next. I usually have people select 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices. First come, first serve is the usual rule. But ... I will not allow the event to become lopsided. This is especially crucial in Pacific events because the planes are so different. Most people will want to fly the Allied planes - for sentimental reasons, and the obvious other reasons. I will fill the sides fill proportionally. It should work out to about 2:1 IJA:Allies ... so for every 2 IJA players I assign, I'll assign 1 Allied.
I may allow squads to sign up for one side or the other with a couple of provisions. First, is that the ratio is preserved. So if a squad of 20 wants to sign up for Allies, I need two squads of 20 signing up for IJA before I allow this to happen. Next is that these squads realize that I will *NOT* allow them to operate as a unit within the team. You can have a flight from your squadron in each group on the side, but I don't want Main Arena politics to infect the event. The squad pre-registration would happen while the CO's are picking their 25% pre-reg.
I know this sounds kind of harsh or rigid, but this is a formula that has worked well in the past. Pacific events are the most sensitive to skill imbalances. Both sides need to have representation of the different styles (BnZ and TnB) and both sides *WILL* have less experienced players in their ranks. I will not stick the IJA with all the people who've never flown a scenario before.
For the Allies, this means you better take the inexperienced people under your wings and train them. Because you can least afford to lose planes.
The other reason I like to mix people up is that it's a much better learning experience. The guys who drive P51s and D9s in the MA may never spend as much time in a Zeke as they will in this event - they may even come to like TnB. And the same goes the other way - the Spit and N1K drivers who always whine about Runstangs may find an appreciation for BnZ when they drive a P40 for 6 weeks.
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Damn...Just saw this thread,
Welcome back DoK knew you could not stay away :D
Count me in, and I want to reserve a P40 :aok and volunteer as a sqd lead
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this sounds great!
how do i pre register? :)
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As soon as Dux recovers from a disk crash and Jordi locks in the dates, we'll begin sorting out command positions.
The revised description has been posted on my site and it includes the new attrition rules.
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My first special event ever was BoB, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd love to try Rangoon for the teamwork, planning and historical experience -- but this greenhorn has some concerns.
I'm pretty sure I can't commit to 4 hours every saturday for 6 weeks straight. The 2.5 hour run times four weeks was about my limit. Also, as a serious bomber guy who chose to be Ju88 in BoB, I really dont like the single bomber rule. Boming is dangerous anyway, and takes very long, essentially boring runs for the few seconds of action. If I know I'm gonna be dead meat at the end of all that time, I'm gonna feel like staying home.
And I'm not being pessimistic here -- the Ju88s had enough trouble as triples against 0.303s. With singles, the fairly flimsy 88s arent going to even get to do the bomb run if thy're intercepted at all. In BoB I could try to defend myself, but 7.47mm guns are gonna be worthless against faster and sturdier P40s.
As configured, I'm probable going to pass on this scenario -- even though I dont want to. I'm not sure who's gonna want to be a large slow target.....
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I don't expect missions to run 4 hours ... I just leave it as an option so that, should the IJA get a good strike in, they can go for the throat.
I hear half the people say the 88 is too tough to bring down with .303's, the other half too easy. I know it takes a pile of .303 to bring down a P51 drone. With the exception of the P40E, everything else has 4 .50's or 8 .303's ... hardly bomber killing hardware. And the Allied planes will be severely outnumbered. I don't think it'll be that lopsided. If anything, I'm worried about the Allies being able to get through the fighter screen - something they didn't have to worry about much in the real battle as the bombers usually got too far ahead of the fighters.
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Just saw this thread...
I'd like to preregister, and I'll take the 88's. No positions above FL though, I need a break.
IMO, the bombers should not be singles. Even as a threesome, they can really only hit one target anyway, and the entire group is subject to getting the aiming screwed up by porking just the lead bird. Too long of a flight to depend on just a single bird. And Lastly, it's too hard to get people to commit to flying a bomber in a scenario, so I don't think it's wise to make it even harder for that pilot to achieve a meaningful objective.
'nuff of my .02
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How do the three Saturdays BEFORE Thanksgiving - take a week off and then the three Saturdays AFTER Thanksgiving.
3:00 PM ET Start time.
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Originally posted by jordi
How do the three Saturdays BEFORE Thanksgiving - take a week off and then the three Saturdays AFTER Thanksgiving.
3:00 PM ET Start time.
That's fine for me ... its more crucial for your crew being able to cover it. There is some chance I may be travelling one of those weekends in December, but at the moment I can't be sure.
As for the Ju-88's ... based on what I've heard from BoB event, an 88 is tough to bring down with .303's. So that's a third of the Allied fighters that aren't a serious threat right there. Half the P40's only have only 2 .50 cals. All the ANZAC planes only have 4 .50 cals. Assuming the Allies pick the P40E Wildcard, that gives them 24 serious threat planes armed with 6 .50's. But even that isn't nearly the same as 20mm cannon ... as any MA experience clearly shows.
And it would be purely silly if the 88's (in formations) were able to survive simply because the Allied planes ran out of ammo trying to bring them down. 27 88 formations is 81 planes ... that needs an awful lot of .303 ammo. Hell ... I don't even know if the IJA had that many bombers in theatre at the time.
Add to that the odds. Even if the IJA decides to go with the 9 extra bombers as their wildcard, they could sweep with as many fighters as the Allies have total (88) and that still leaves 60 for close escort. And the Zeke has the fuel range to loiter plenty long to keep a lane for the bombers clear. And, with the altitude limits, the Allied planes pretty much need to punch through the screen instead of just flying over it as has happened in past events.
And the M5 Zero is as fast or faster flying level than everything but a Spit and P40E, and better gunned than anything the Allies have save for the 4 Spit V's in command flight. So these fighters in a sweep can really be a threat.
Anyway ... I think the Allies are faced with a pretty tough situation as it is. If they manage to fight their way to the bomber stream, they should at least be given some chance to doing some damage.
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One thing you can do is give the IJN the OPTION To fly bombers with formations ON to get up to the required number you want in the air.
Lets say the rules calls for 27 ( ? ) but just 20 sign up for bombers and just 15 show up on frame day.
You could allow the IJN CO to launch 8 with formations ( 24 ) + 2 singles Ju88's for 26 total bombers.
You could even have some pilots BAIL from the lead plane to reduce the numbers as needed.
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That's an outstanding Idea Jordi.
Only quirk of it would be that a given target might need multiple flight paths to destroy it, something a 'cell' of bombers can't accomplish (like a large Airfield for instance, where the planner should have at least 7 piloted bombers pass over to give an adequate chance to kill only the 7 FH at a large base, and even then, the pilots in question would need to have a 100% accuracy). In those cases you'd need to make sure you have a minimum number of actual pilots.
Otherwise, a fantastic idea.
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I can consider that ... I'd like to see if we can get a full roster first, though.
The buildings won't be hangar tough. Just your basic big city buildings. The internal stores on an 88 would be enough - but with both internal and external, and so many planes dropping, it's reasonable to expect 100% coverage.
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Well, the partial cell idea is great on frame day when some of the pilots don't show up. A problem during BOB.
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Originally posted by RDRTrash
Well, the partial cell idea is great on frame day when some of the pilots don't show up. A problem during BOB.
I agree. But the rationale of needing 81 bombers simply because of building toughness doesn't apply. And I don't want to wheel this option out until we need it - or it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy (i.e. "We only really need 3 people per bomber group, so I'll fly a fighter instead.").
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I've added a flight analysis of the planes involved in this event to the write-up. This shows speed and climb at 10K, as well as weapons.
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I'd like to offer my services skinning something if needed. Just let me know and Ill see if I can get it done or not. Looks exciting!
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Originally posted by United
I'd like to offer my services skinning something if needed. Just let me know and Ill see if I can get it done or not. Looks exciting!
Thanks ... this is being fast-tracked pretty hard. Only think I can think of would be a Japanese skin for the Ju-88 ... which probably wouldn't be too tough given the color scheme.
-DoK
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I actually like the idea of one pilot per bomber. It's more realistic feeling.
Of course, my tolerance for how things go in bombers is pretty low. I'm more used to Air Warrior scenarios from the days when it was one pilot per bomber, usually no gunner at all, one gun per gunner when you had them, not much chance of damaging a fighter with bomber guns (as they were very weak and headons against fighters were low probability), and very low bomber toughness. All a fighter usually had to do was fly up a bomber's tail firing, and it would go down, no matter the bomber and no matter the fighter. Later, folks turned up the bomber toughness a lot, which helped, but still usually it meant that, regardless of escort, if your bomber formation was found by enemy fighters, all the bombers were dead. Bombers very frequently flew long missions only to be shot down well short of target.
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Cannon-armed fighters getting into a bomber stream is bad news for bombers. And should be.
This event should turn out different. For one thing, only 4 Allied planes have cannons: the HQ flight. And most of the Allied fighters have .303's or only 4 .50's - hardly ideal for killing bombers. Next is the speed issue - unlike the usual Fw190 v. B17 match-up, in this one if the Allies miss the bounce they have a long tail chase ahead of them because of the relative speeds of the planes and lack of acceleration.
That being said, if the IJA lets a squadron of P-40E's get through, they should expect to see bombers going down. Which is what should happen.
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I want to pre-register too, this event has the cards to be GREAT! :)
Noticed a thing, in the plane table the F4F is stated having 4 x 0.50 but it can mount 6 x 0.50 too, how can you enforce that?
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Looks Fun hey what kind of web host do u use??????
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Originally posted by AaronM2
Looks Fun hey what kind of web host do u use??????
http://www.ev1servers.net/english/index.asp (http://www.ev1servers.net/english/index.asp)
We have a ripping fast dedicated Linux box.
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Originally posted by Naso
I want to pre-register too, this event has the cards to be GREAT! :)
Noticed a thing, in the plane table the F4F is stated having 4 x 0.50 but it can mount 6 x 0.50 too, how can you enforce that?
Probably can't ... but it'll be obvious enough in flight if people have tracers on.
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will there be aalltitude limitation? ( setting hurricane level winds above 30k for eaxmple)
we had an event in the squad ops series, which had P40b f4fs and ju88s subing as bettys.
the ju88s simply went over 30k, and the allied were out of the picture, the ju88s were simply un touchable.
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Yes ... its in the description. This event will more or less take place around 12K - the historical altitude.
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Dang DoK,
I've got to start knocking some rust off so I can fly in this.
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SB! Good to see you. :)
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DAMN, Hi ya SB long time
Hope to see you up soon
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We have the dates locked in, terrain is being worked on, expect official-like announcements in two weeks ... no, a few days.
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"We have the dates locked in, terrain is being worked on, expect official-like announcements in two weeks ... no, a few days."
Thanks for the update DoK.
While I'm looking at walk on participation, due to the Saturday scheduling, I'll be reopening the old account this week to start practicing in case I can make any of it. I'd be very disappointed if I could not.
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Originally posted by RDRTrash
I'd like to preregister, and I'll take the 88's. No positions above FL though, I need a break.
LMAO!
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This looks awesome, Dok - thanks for all your work!
I'm concerned a little about the FM-2 subbing for the Brewster Buffalo. I think it may be a nightmare for the Japanese fighters. My impression of the FM-2 is that it can do everything a Zeke can do but with 3x the durability.
I know it serves suitably as a sub during FinRus but that is against generally late-war Russian Las and Yaks. The maneuverability advantage of the B-239 over the Russian birds is preserved, while it's durability is somewhat negated by the high powered Russian cannon. Not so against the A6M2 however - the FM-2 is a little demon that will be able to match more or less the maneuvers of the Zeros, yet suffer none of the lack of durability inherent in the Brewster.
I see you are including the A6M5b and the Ki61, so maybe they will be an adequate counterbalance. Perhaps the CT guys could be talked into running this planeset for a week in the CT to see if my concerns are realistic?
Even better, the new fast build features touted in AH2 will allow HTC to get a real Buffalo into the planeset before the event! Wouldn't that be great?
Really looking forward to this event!
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Originally posted by oboe
This looks awesome, Dok - thanks for all your work!
I'm concerned a little about the FM-2 subbing for the Brewster Buffalo. I think it may be a nightmare for the Japanese fighters. My impression of the FM-2 is that it can do everything a Zeke can do but with 3x the durability.
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Actually the SBD is subbing as a Buffalo ... surprisingly similar kinds of performance. Likewise the Val and Ki-27.
The FM-2 is in there to keep the IJA honest and to provide some diversity. Just as the A6M5 is there to give the IJA a speed threat, the FM-2 gives the Allies a turning threat.
And if you're really worried about the FM-2, look at the odds again. Are you really going to want to get into a slow turning fight with that many Zero's around?
-DoK
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My bad, missed that part about the SBDs. I saw FM-2s based at Magwe and figured they were the Buffalos. It should be very interesting to see SBDs perform in that role.
That said, I would still hope for an F2A to be actually in game by the time the scenario is run. That would be awesome; Pyro did say the turnaround time for adding aircraft would be much shortened in AH2.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Probably can't ... but it'll be obvious enough in flight if people have tracers on.
Not saying you're wrong, Doc; you have more experience in these matters than I do.
However; experience suggests that this type of gray area needs locking down very tight.
Not for the frame's sake (it'll prolly be a walkon who pings three guys and augers); but for the reaction's sake . As far as I know; players have no way to determine load out from logs and such; but if a film leaks out (ammo counters); ther'd be a effluvent storm.
Talk to Jordi.
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Oboe ... this event spun up so fast there was no time to confer about adding planes. The specs and characteristics on the SBD/Buffalo and Val/Nate are suprisingly close - so it should be interesting.
Seeker ... as long as both sides know that if I catch someone using the wrong load-out "there will be consequences" that should be enough. The F4F really has handling issues anyway - I'd be more concerned if teh FM2 could pack 6 .50's. But, again, I expect the squadron leader to be responsible enough to control this. Honest mistakes will happen, of course, but whatever minor gain someone may get by "accidentally" using the 6-guns will be overshadowed by the penalty.
-DoK
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Originally posted by SharkBait
Dang DoK,
I've got to start knocking some rust off so I can fly in this.
Methinks it'll take more that knocking off some rust... :)
Hiya Harry...what side are you going to opt for?
=GB= ( hoping to grab a Allied Buff ride )
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The Boston's will be an interesting ride. They'd be my choice. I expect you'll spend most of the time in the scouting role. Which could get pretty interesting given the numbers of Zero's that'll be out in force. Forward guns kind of suck, but they're enough to finish off a wounded Zero or catch one sleeping.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron
Methinks it'll take more that knocking off some rust... :)
Hiya Harry...what side are you going to opt for?
=GB= ( hoping to grab a Allied Buff ride )
You going for Command; GB?
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Originally posted by Seeker
You going for Command; GB?
Volunteered for a Group Leader slot...
I haven't logged enough stick time in AH/AH II
in the past couple of years to feel qualified
enough for a higher position. I just don't know the
in's and out's of AH like I did with AW...
=GB=