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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ridley1 on February 26, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
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is the X52 worth the extra cash?
What are the differences?
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I had an X45 that I simply wore out. I decided to upgrade to the X52.
I wish I hadn't.
My $0.02...not worth the extra cash.
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Some 2 months ago i had to decide to buy a X45 or 52. I finally settled for the X45 because of itīs rocker rudder control, the X52 is a twisty stick. I had twisty sticks for years and did not like them, for I tended to apply rudder when i did not want to ;)
The x45 rudder control worked very well for me, but many ppl had problems to reach those buttons though.
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I use to have the X45 but had trouble with the rudder-rocker, nerve damage in my 4th and 5th digit in my left hand, so I couldn't squeeze it all the way and really struggled with those left hand turns. I upgrade to the X52 after I finally realized that my Ol' Sidwinder was done with and with only 4 views working on the hat-switch and roughly 4 buttons working....I was not fairing too well. I like the twist-grip because I tend to get a little wild flying and seem to pull the joystick all over the place..... uhhh sorry, my mind got sidetracked there! :confused:
Worth the money for me....
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from a couple of X36s to a bunch of X45's ( get service plan so you can trade it in for new one for another $12 service plan every 12 months) to a single X52 (got service plan on it too)
went back to the X45 as the X52 had too light a touch for me and the throttle wasn't laid out as well as the X45 for my setup
I use rudder pedals so the rocker is another trim for me
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i just got an x52 yesterday and i must say im impressed..the prescision and control is light years ahead of the logicraps ive been using...we shall see if it holds up
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I like the X-52 a lot, got the extended warranty (Best Buy) so if it starts to act up, back it goes for another :)
I truly hate the twisty stick part, I really miss the throttle/rudder/rocker combo.
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I've been using the twisty rudders for so long they're second nature...
I know that the X45 has a mouse cursor button on it....I normally use Mouse panning in the game....how does it work with the x45?
Other than the twisty rudder and (advertised) 'commsystem' on the 52....are there any difference in button amounts...(oh, god.....my grammar teacher is having a coronary right now)
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it basically boils down to weather you want rudder pedals or twisty stick both top notch control systems
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I decided against X52 and for X45 for two reasons.
First, i dont like twisty sticks and i couldnt afford pedals.
Second, the X45 has a tighter spring. The X52 feels way too loose for my liking.
Neg points for the X45 on two things. You got to fix it to the desk somehow, both throttle and Stick base arent very stable. And the rocker rudder is hard to reach for people with small hands. I think that is because the hand holds are designed for use next toi the chair, not on the desk. You can either reverse axis on throttle or (like i did) install it at a 45 deg angle.
Besides that, its a great stick.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
(...) Neg points for the X45 on two things. You got to fix it to the desk somehow, both throttle and Stick base arent very stable. And the rocker rudder is hard to reach for people with small hands. (...)
Hm, i did not need to fix my combo to the desk. Only the throttle had the urge to slide over my desk, but only until I found that screw on the underside which allowed me to reduce the friction of the throttle action.
As for the rudder rocker, Schatzi is completely right.
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the x52 has good grips..doesnt move at all on the desk...the twisty rudder is horribly unergonomic...pedals on the way....other than that i love it
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Yea mine has awesome rubber stoppers on it.
It also came with a plastic bag full of suction cups, if you opt to affix it to your desk with those instead
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you know.....I think they've stopped making the x45?
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Originally posted by ridley1
you know.....I think they've stopped making the x45?
Yes they did...
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I have used several X45s. I liked them, jsut had to replace them once a year. They just dont last that long.
As far as them moving around the desktop. I glued anti movment pads for dishes to the bottoms. Worked real well.
The X52 is lighter duty than the X45, I passed
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X-52 has optical pickups for the X and Y axis so zero spiking...ever.
X-52 has a MUCH lighter spring than the X45 (or x36)...its as light (perhaps a hair lighter) as the CH sticks. If your used to the X45/36 it going to take a week or so to become comfortable with it. At 1st I was bouncing all over the place, but its much nicer for long flights and precision movements.
X-52 can accomodate larger hands with an adjustable hand rest and pinky trigger, you can make it as small as the X45/36 or up to about 1" bigger.
X-52 has twisty stick instead of rocker on the throttle and the twist can be locked if you dont like twisty sticks...ie:ME
X-52 has 2 stage trigger...great fo mapping maching guns for partial pull and maching guns and cannon for full pull.
Be advised the mouse wheel looking thing on the throttle is good as a press in button, but 100% useless as anything else, it dosnt record movement consitently, so it basically sucks.
There are of course variations on the button placement and such but those are the major upgrades from the prev sticks.
My X-52 review December 2004 (http://www.combathanger.com/fighterreviews/x52/x521.html)
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howd ya get the 2 stage trigger working?
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Its just a trigger that has one keypress activated when you pull it down a little, and a second (in addition to the 1st) when you depress it all the way....you can just map the seperte DX inputs to each dente (I only have 2 or 3 buttons on my stick 'programed' for AH2, I have setup the AH2 program to do what I want based on the direct X button defaults each button press has)
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Here is my review of the X52 as well. I like it because of my small hands but the twisty rudder isn't my cup o' tea. If they are paired with CH Pro Rudder Pedals you are pretty much set.
http://www.gameplasma.com/articles,id,96.html
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Its funny how particular individual tastes are in joysticks.
I think the x52 is a quality stick, but its unusable for me because the control throws are just way too large. For instance, to do a quick aileron roll, it seems I have to move the stick wayyyyyyyy farther right or left than on my sidewinder. I just cant get used to it.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Its funny how particular individual tastes are in joysticks.
I think the x52 is a quality stick, but its unusable for me because the control throws are just way too large. For instance, to do a quick aileron roll, it seems I have to move the stick wayyyyyyyy farther right or left than on my sidewinder. I just cant get used to it.
Gunthr, I solved this problem by turning up the inputs in flight sim's controls. In AH all my input sliders are at 100 for exact control. And since the X and Y pots are optical, it is very precise.
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yeah my roll seems sluggish at best..will try that
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I use to have teh Saitek X45 and it was a piece of crap... It totaly died at one point so,,, I dcided to take a gamble and get the X52 and its been perfect for me. It doesnt spike at all. I figured out a great map config ( use it with Ruddr pedals and IR tracker) Has more buttons than i could use,, lol,, I dont bother with the diffrent modes too lazzy to map them all. But what i do recomend,,, is to make all the buttons as keys.. ie. 2 stage trigger is F and N key.. so dont use buttons ,, make them all keys and will be very easy to program.
and if you saying you cant get use to it, that means your just lazzy... always takes time to get use to something new... took me about a month or 2 just to get use to using my IRtracker,... but now that I have I will never go back to a hatswitch... now hatwitches are just extra keys for vox etc.
Good luck.
Cheers
MonkeyMeat
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Just turned in my X-45 to best buy. Hehe love that service plan got the X-52 as a replacement . Much smoother controls. I think once I get use to button place ment my flying should improve.
The X-45 was just to jittery for fine adjustments.
Bronk
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Originally posted by jaxxo
the x52 has good grips..doesnt move at all on the desk...the twisty rudder is horribly unergonomic...pedals on the way....other than that i love it
I just got my rudder pedals with an X-52 , and i must say that the ability to fine tune is outstanding. The X-52 stick isnt molded for a hand, its basically like twisting a broom handle to me , so it's hard to twist smoothly. (especially to the left ) Its going to take me awhile to get used to the pedals , but i can see how good it will be eventually .