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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: TilDeath on April 07, 2009, 06:50:19 PM
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OK the E8400 shows it true potential for overclocking. This is done on AIR and still within safe thermals. The Voltage is a little high, but the point here is that you do not need to spend the monies on an Extreme Processor when you can purchase the E, Q or i entry level and still get the similar performance.
Parts List
- Tempest Case
Gigabyte EP45T-UD3P
Intel E8400 3.0 OC to 4.4GHz
OCZ OCZ3N1800SR4GK
HSF OCZ Vendetta 2
PSU OCZ OCZ700GXSSLI
GPU EVGA GTX 260
(http://www.overclocksource.com/E8400_44_3dm.jpg)
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thats a nice score.. but you had to overclock the E8400 1.4ghz to beat a stock i920@ 2.66ghz .. and with the new i7 920 with new steping coming out makes the i7 920 is looking even better.
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thats a nice score.. but you had to overclock the E8400 1.4ghz to beat a stock i920@ 2.66ghz .. and with the new i7 920 with new steping coming out makes the i7 920 is looking even better.
Since this build is about $400 less then a comp i7 build I think its pretty good for someone in the lower budget. The point here as stated at the begining of the Thread was"You don't need to get the top of the line processor, be it an E, Q or i". Plus the OC itself is also being pointed out here not the actual score, its the 4.4GHz with a 1956 FSB, and did you even notice the memory settings, they are faster then the manufacture specs, this is what system builders do. Additionally when you can OC a processor 48% over its stock speed on AIR then comment, until then please don't say "nice score... but". There is always something faster out there. Not everyone has a budget for the for the i7 the Tri-Channel Memory, the PSU that it takes to drive an X58 Mboard and install a good GPU etc etc.
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Ooh...I don't understand OCing, but nice. :D
Would be nice to have something that fast, but alas I haven't the money for Intel. Maybe next build!
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let me ask you this question . should you build a OC'ed E8400 system for someone .. should it fail do you replace it free of cost?
i did some reading and found this
http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:M3Yq2gS9ImcJ:www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/showthread.php%3Ft%3D179965+overclocking+E8400+harmful&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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A forum post based on someone's own experience/opinion? Hardly a credible source for any type of reading.
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let me ask you this question . should you build a OC'ed E8400 system for someone .. should it fail do you replace it free of cost?
SURE WOULD...the only cost is the shipping. Don't believe me, ask DustyR he is a member of this forum. His machine was completely destroyed by UPS, I rebuilt the rig at no additional cost to him at all, not even shipping everything was outta my pocket NOT UPS's. I stand firmly behind my builds, no questions asked. If there is a problem, I do my best to fix what ever it may be again at no additional cost to the customer.
As for the post you quoted... if you KNOW what your doing, keep the thermals and the voltages within allowable specs then Yes its all covered under warranty. Question to you is this... you have stated that you have been building systems for a number of years, then why is you do not know any of these answers. Lets see on the Boxes and in the advertising of most all Motherboards and MEM will say 1333 and also say on the BOX OC 1600 or OC 1800 or OC 2000 or OC 1333 etc etc. why do you think the memory manufactures make this memory? I may get dinged here for this, but, in my opinion you do not have the skill or the knowledge to make any recommendations to anyone seeing advice about a build and or an upgrade. You ask for advice on builds for yourself which is fine, no one knows everything, but then you come and make criticisms of others without what seems like any piratical knowledge to me, you find posts that are over a year old and quote them, there is no substitute for pratical knowledge, reading is one thing doing is another. Why you do this is beyond me.
Here is the final thoughts from the original poster of the link you posted and I quote
"UPDATE/CONCLUSION
Well guys, I can confirm now that my CPU's did not actually degrade.
It is apparent now that the 45nm CPU's have a burn-in period of about
1 - 2 weeks, after this time the CPU's will need a small bump in vcore
(.024mv - .050mv) to regain initial prime stability.
My CPU's are rock solid stable now, and are not showing any other signs
of further degradation, I even had the vcore on one up close to 1.5v for
some suicide runs, and still did not hurt it.
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e8400 (B#748A144 PD: 02/05/08) 3960mhz @ 1.35vcore Lapped (yes it was worth it)"
Notice his Core speed 3.96 Let me educate you on Overclocking a little. Not all overclocks are 24/7, some are for see what it can do, some are for benchmarking scores only, some are just to see if the rig will post and will never get into windows. Welcome to the world I enjoy so much of Overclocking.
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well i dont know everything and i ask when i dont. but i have enough experience and have built probably more machines then this forum combined. only cause i used to build 500-1000 rigs a week (thank god for ghost servers) for a company that took government and state contracts and we built the machines for them. i did that for almost a year. along with the other builds i've done. as far as overclocking i am no expert in. i know the principles of it. on my cpu i have now i have oc'ed it. no biggie. the E8400 is a great cpu to overclock its can be fast. but i if you get someone that fries there computer futzing around doing it. what did they really accomplish. OCing isnt for everyone. I've done very well with computers and made alot of money doing it. 95% of the clients i work for a multi-billion dollar companies and they trust me with my work i do for them, cause if i did a piss pour job i wouldnt have one.
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I may get dinged here for this, but, in my opinion you do not have the skill or the knowledge to make any recommendations to anyone seeing advice about a build and or an upgrade.
DING!
+1
(you got 'dinged' alright)
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Wow, that's quite something Rich! Maybe you should write a book on overclocking.
Hey... If you do that, I'm charging 3% on each sale (of the book, that is). :t
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well i dont know everything and i ask when i dont. but i have enough experience and have built probably more machines then this forum combined. only cause i used to build 500-1000 rigs a week (thank god for ghost servers) for a company that took government and state contracts and we built the machines for them. i did that for almost a year. along with the other builds i've done. as far as overclocking i am no expert in. i know the principles of it. on my cpu i have now i have oc'ed it. no biggie. the E8400 is a great cpu to overclock its can be fast. but i if you get someone that fries there computer futzing around doing it. what did they really accomplish. OCing isnt for everyone. I've done very well with computers and made alot of money doing it. 95% of the clients i work for a multi-billion dollar companies and they trust me with my work i do for them, cause if i did a piss pour job i wouldnt have one.
At 500 rigs a week 40 hour work week that is a rig built in under 5 mins... Now that is a record to post. !000 rigs thats 1 rig in under 2 1/2 mins better record.
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At 500 rigs a week 40 hour work week that is a rig built in under 5 mins... Now that is a record to post. !000 rigs thats 1 rig in under 2 1/2 mins better record.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
Oh... I had my 2.66Ghz E6750 at 3.62Ghz for a short time but my temps were clipping 60C so I backed it off to 3.2Ghz at 45C. Does that count? I'm pretty sure I could get it there at a more reasonable temp but was just doing it to do it... I really only wanted to sync to my RAM which I have at 3.2.
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At 500 rigs a week 40 hour work week that is a rig built in under 5 mins... Now that is a record to post. !000 rigs thats 1 rig in under 2 1/2 mins better record.
Seriously, at those speeds, why isn't he doing these contests?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSwGAjoaNzI
Edit: Winning time was 10:31.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
Oh... I had my 2.66Ghz E6750 at 3.62Ghz for a short time but my temps were clipping 60C so I backed it off to 3.2Ghz at 45C. Does that count? I'm pretty sure I could get it there at a more reasonable temp but was just doing it to do it... I really only wanted to sync to my RAM which I have at 3.2.
What case? How many fans? What HSF are you using? What is ambient temp? Need to have a little not to much positive air pressure inside the case so help exhaust and get fresh air in to assist the HSF. Its a must to have a good amount of air flow but enough of an exhaust air to keep the it cooler inside.
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just a lot of repeating the same thing over and over. and your assuming i was working a 40 hour week too. fat chance. 60-80 hrs minimum.
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just a lot of repeating the same thing over and over. and your assuming i was working a 40 hour week too. fat chance. 60-80 hrs minimum.
With an 80 hour week and 500 rigs, that's one just over 9 mins, and 1000 rigs thats one just under 5 mins. I am still thinking records.
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What case? How many fans? What HSF are you using? What is ambient temp? Need to have a little not to much positive air pressure inside the case so help exhaust and get fresh air in to assist the HSF. Its a must to have a good amount of air flow but enough of an exhaust air to keep the it cooler inside.
I've got a Cooler Master case (below) that's only got single front and rear 120mm fans (set to 100%) plus a side duct (removed to fit my Arctic Freezer 7... smart fan enabled but it never hit 100% during this test... probably 90-95%) plus some other passive venting. My 8800 GTS 512 vents out the rear and I've got a 780i with the nothbridge fan running 100%. Ambient temp probably around 70F.
(http://www.coolermaster.com/uploads/product/products_highlight/file1169870162533.jpg)
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well i dont know everything and i ask when i dont. but i have enough experience and have built probably more machines then this forum combined. only cause i used to build 500-1000 rigs a week (thank god for ghost servers) for a company that took government and state contracts and we built the machines for them. i did that for almost a year. along with the other builds i've done. as far as overclocking i am no expert in. i know the principles of it. on my cpu i have now i have oc'ed it. no biggie. the E8400 is a great cpu to overclock its can be fast. but i if you get someone that fries there computer futzing around doing it. what did they really accomplish. OCing isnt for everyone. I've done very well with computers and made alot of money doing it. 95% of the clients i work for a multi-billion dollar companies and they trust me with my work i do for them, cause if i did a piss pour job i wouldnt have one.
What he is saying is he worked on the Dell assembly line and was very good at dropping the computer into the box, with the paper work and taping the box shut :D
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What he is saying is he worked on the Dell assembly line and was very good at dropping the computer into the box, with the paper work and taping the box shut :D
Ahhh... that explains all the "boxes" he's built. :D
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So evil you two. :D
Although how long does it normally take for someone to put one together?
I can put mine together fully in about 10 minutes, assuming I have all the parts ready, and don't drop anything.
I use all the typical parts: 1 Motherboard, 1 CPU, 2 RAM, 1 GPU, 1 Wireless card, 1 Sound Card, 4 Fans, 1 PSU, 1 DVD, 1 Card Reader, 1 LCD monitor (built-in to case), 1 HDD, 2 (1 used) USB ports in Case / Case is Aerocool M40 Cube.
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I like to take my time doing it, especially if its a new case that I haven't used before. Like my last major build, it took me a while to figure out that the front panel of the case had to be removed in order to install an external drive in the 3.5" slot.
And unless TheZohan did work an assembly line, the BS flag is flying so high today its in the stratosphere.
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I've got a Cooler Master case (below) that's only got single front and rear 120mm fans (set to 100%) plus a side duct (removed to fit my Arctic Freezer 7... smart fan enabled but it never hit 100% during this test... probably 90-95%) plus some other passive venting. My 8800 GTS 512 vents out the rear and I've got a 780i with the nothbridge fan running 100%. Ambient temp probably around 70F.
(http://www.coolermaster.com/uploads/product/products_highlight/file1169870162533.jpg)
Sleek looking case but not one that is good for a lot of airflow. So you are going to see the temps on the upper ends when OCing. This is why I preach the Tempest case for any build. But choosing a case is like buying a car, its look does not appeal to everyone. Can you say Chocolate and Vanilla Icecream
Also in my ventures I have found that most ATI GPU's could be used to heat a normal size house in the winter, the 8800's can be used similar to a small space heater. Love them though, very strong GPU. I have two 8800GTX's on a Striker Extreme (690i chipset) with 4gb of OCZ 1200 ram, and this thing is awesome.
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And unless TheZohan did work an assembly line, the BS flag is flying so high today its in the stratosphere.
Time to grab a snorkel, the BS is much deeper than I am tall. :D
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And unless TheZohan did work an assembly line, the BS flag is flying so high today its in the stratosphere.
Are you suggesting the Krusty BS meter should be replaced? :rofl
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Are you suggesting the Krusty BS meter should be replaced? :rofl
:rofl
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It takes me about 3 hours (not including OS install, software etc) to do a build. I completely disassemble the case so it is just the frame, bore holes for cable management, file & Dremel said holes so no sharpie (not to be confused with the perm marker sharpie) edges. Route the fan (in some cases fan controller and temp sensors) wires, screw in fans, replace top panel, front panel, install PSU, install HSF on MB, install MB, install HD and DVD/CD, then run cables in my hidie holes to HD and DVD/CD, install mem sticks, install video card and its power connections, did I mention about 40 to 60 zip ties for all wires along with heat shrink on some connections, sleeving some wiring and heat shrinking that. Plug in do hickeys to back of computer, place power cord in PSU and approiate hole on electrical source, push button to start, push key to get into BIOS, make BIOS adjustments, open DVD/CD place round disk in side, Save and Reboot, start next rig while OS is installing.... repeat 30+ times per week... oh yea answer phone, do quotes, place orders, tech support, kick workers in bum for not placing Silats PSU power cable in box, go to FedEx, pay bills, raise kids, get some NUM NUM from wife, answer phone again cause Silat is calling again :eek: um oh yea Shoot some of you down in game at 1am since that's about when my day ends.
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get some NUM NUM from wife
Say no more, say no more, say no more. Nudge, nudge; Wink, wink. Wink's as good as a nudge to a blind man eh?
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Say no more, say no more, say no more. Nudge, nudge; Wink, wink. Wink's as good as a nudge to a blind man eh?
LOL a Monty Python... notice no statement about bringing the kids to tennis lessons-matches, guitar and drum lessons, Baseball practice-games, Socker practice-games, school plays and music stuff.
Dang rug rats require to much time. Anyone looking to adopt 2 very spoiled but very well behaved children boy 11 girl 9, they answer to anything (ie Hey Boy, come here) potty trained, know sit and stay, also Bedtime, both "A" students, will also do some chores as long as it does not interfear with social life and you have cash, we will assist with financial support until our golden years. If interested call 1-888-GET-AKID
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LOL a Monty Python... notice no statement about bringing the kids to tennis lessons-matches, guitar and drum lessons, Baseball practice-games, Socker practice-games, school plays and music stuff.
Dang rug rats require to much time. Anyone looking to adopt 2 very spoiled but very well behaved children boy 11 girl 9, they answer to anything (ie Hey Boy, come here) potty trained, know sit and stay, also Bedtime, both "A" students, will also do some chores as long as it does not interfear with social life and you have cash, we will assist with financial support until our golden years. If interested call 1-888-GET-AKID
Kids are expensive pets, we have one of our own, about to turn 16. She's a full time job and none too cheap. I really don't know how people with more than one find the time. At this point we are a bank and taxi service. I'll be glad when she actually makes it to 16 so I don't have to hear, "Can you take me.....?", any more.
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See Rules #4, #6
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Well,then I am not doing too bad on my OC'ed E8400 which is currently setting at 3.9ghz..
I know I could go higher,but I have not OC'ed my RAM to match with it,and whenever I go over 3.9 I get orthos HALT...Sound like a memory issue deth???
I have the OCZ REAPER..2@2gig for 4 gig total..Have not touched it to OC it..runs stock,at least within my CPU specs of 3.9..
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So evil you two. :D
Although how long does it normally take for someone to put one together?
I can put mine together fully in about 10 minutes, assuming I have all the parts ready, and don't drop anything.
I use all the typical parts: 1 Motherboard, 1 CPU, 2 RAM, 1 GPU, 1 Wireless card, 1 Sound Card, 4 Fans, 1 PSU, 1 DVD, 1 Card Reader, 1 LCD monitor (built-in to case), 1 HDD, 2 (1 used) USB ports in Case / Case is Aerocool M40 Cube.
thats about all it takes. when you got a line of 100 computers its even faster.
and taking 3 hours to build a rig and installing the OS .. thats why you use a ghost server. soon as your done with the build. pop a disk in and 5-10 minutes later the OS loaded. most of the builds where pretty vanilla cases no bells and whistles. if you cant put one together in less then 10 minutes you really must have issues. just a lot of repeative motion though.
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[quote author=TheZohan link=topic=262341.msg3261401#msg3261401 date=12392333
and taking 3 hours to build a rig and installing the OS .. thats why you use a ghost server. soon as your done with the build. pop a disk in and 5-10 minutes later the OS loaded. most of the builds where pretty vanilla cases no bells and whistles. if you cant put one together in less then 10 minutes you really must have issues. just a lot of repeative motion though.
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All when and good when you are building several identical systems, but when each is a custom build ummmmm no you should not one done in ten mins or 2 hours for that matter. Lets see when you slap something together and cables all over and an all around crappy build sure take 10 mins. I build with thought (unlike some possibly). I hope to see you at next years Con because I am willing to make a bet... I will bring a complete system (components) you build it and it fires up in 10 mins or under you get to keep the parts.
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well its me getting to the con. i dont think that would be a issue in building it in 10 minutes. bring a couple of parts. i am sure there are more people there that could do it too. make it fun for everyone just not me.
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All when and good when you are building several identical systems /quote]
thats all it was pretty much each order. the same board, processor, memory. how i lasted a year doing that i dont know.
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Oooh TD is going to the Con? Sounds devilishly fun, would love to see that PC with my own eyes. :D
I admit I build fast, why? I have less stuff in my case then some, and no place to reroute wires, so that problem is eliminated. I read the directions prior to getting the parts so I know what can come off, and how and why. My first build with this case took close to 1 hour due to an unfamiliar case and being the first real build I had ever done. Re-built it a few times for cleaning sakes and done it fast.
Would hate to see a custom builder who has a full case with all the bells do it fast, likely means something went wrong.
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of course when i do custom builds my builds take considerably longer but i can have all the parts in , wires nice and neat in about 20-30 minutes in most cases. never had a customer complain and have always been happy with my builds.
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if you cant put one together in less then 10 minutes you really must have issues. just a lot of repeative motion though.
of course when i do custom builds my builds take considerably longer but i can have all the parts in , wires nice and neat in about 20-30 minutes in most cases. never had a customer complain and have always been happy with my builds.
Ok which is it the 10 minutes like you said before and if not you have issues, when I stated I takes me about 3 hours... or 20 or 30 min that's your saying now. And for the record there is no way you could do what I do with a system in 30, 60, or 120 mins. It is a solid uninterrupted 3 to 4 hours. These are custom builds, not open the boxes and slap the parts in.
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not and load the OS unless i already had a ghost image made. if you was smart. you already have images made and cut your time in building as far as loading the OS part. the last place we worked. we had a image for every motherboard we sold. just my 2 cents.
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What he is saying is he worked on the Dell assembly line and was very good at dropping the computer into the box, with the paper work and taping the box shut :D
Ahhh... that explains all the "boxes" he's built. :D
TheZohan hard at work.
(http://nlcs.k12.in.us/oljrhi/brown/manufacturing/dell.jpg)
ack-ack
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TheZohan hard at work.
(http://nlcs.k12.in.us/oljrhi/brown/manufacturing/dell.jpg)
ack-ack
i wish i had it that easy when i worked.
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The amount of stupid in this thread is mind boggling.
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The amount of stupid in this thread is mind boggling.
:eek:
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Good job! Bought nearly the same stuff for a AH build before I saw your post. Giga EP45-UD3R/E8400.
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Good job! Bought nearly the same stuff for a AH build before I saw your post. Giga EP45-UD3R/E8400.
Glad to help
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Yep, I take about 3 hours to build a PC before it is ready to power-up. Heck, takes me about 3 minutes to get the thermal paste applied so I can mount the HSF on the CPU, as I am very careful about getting a precise layer of it spread across the face of the CPU.
And if the HSF wiggles at all while I am trying to clamp it down, I start over. It is part of the process to build a good overclocking system. Did I mention my 3.7Ghz E8400 does not break 43C under heavy loads and idles at 27C? Of course, not using the stock HSF helps.
A significant amount of time is spent doing cable manangement.
One thing I do to speed the OS install is build slipstream OS's with preconfigured answers to all the questions the normal Windows installer asks as well as all the patches already installed. Plop in the CD, then walk away and it does the complete install.
All I have to do to the slipstreamed image is change the serial key for new builds and make sure any new updates are already installed.
Takes some time to get that first slipstreamed disc built, as you have to install it to get the list of patches to grab from Microsoft, but after that, it is just a discipline to keep make sure to keep it up to date.
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Out of tradition, I normally play my "Apollo 13" DVD when building up a system from scratch. Something about the heroic way the astronauts worked their problems always inspires me when building a PC from parts.
Anyway, it takes me a good hour or two to just get the hardware installed the way that would make me proud to show someone. The only job that takes 10 minutes is installing a hard drive and routing its cables in a way I like...
-Llama
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Yep, I take about 3 hours to build a PC before it is ready to power-up. Heck, takes me about 3 minutes to get the thermal paste applied so I can mount the HSF on the CPU, as I am very careful about getting a precise layer of it spread across the face of the CPU.
Skuzzy,
Hardocp did a test of a few different thermal pastes, and results aside, they mentioned a very nifty product that helps with thermal paste installation. Basically it's a piece of moderately thick plastic tape with a square hole cut out of the middle. The tape is the kind where if the surface is clean to begin with, you can remove it without leaving residue and the tape can be re-used a few times, and the thickness of the tape plastic is exactly the typical recommended thickness of a layer of thermal paste.
So what you do is put the tape down on the HSF with the hole centered on where the cpu will contact the HSF, then put some thermal goop on the hsf in the hole. Then you take a very straight scraper and scrape across the plastic tape. This leaves a layer of thermal goop the exact thickness of the tape on the HSF. You then pull off the tape, and you have a perfect square of perfectly applied thermal goop on your HSF.
Very neat product/accessory. I can't remember what brand of goop it comes with but it's so neat it might be worth buying that kind of goop just to get the tape, if you can't find the right kind of tape yourself. The thickness of the tape determines the thickness of the goop layer so you could even make your own out of different tape thicknesses, to use with different types of thermal goop that might behave better with different application layer thickness.
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Skuzzy,
Hardocp did a test of a few different thermal pastes, and results aside, they mentioned a very nifty product that helps with thermal paste installation. Basically it's a piece of moderately thick plastic tape with a square hole cut out of the middle. The tape is the kind where if the surface is clean to begin with, you can remove it without leaving residue and the tape can be re-used a few times, and the thickness of the tape plastic is exactly the typical recommended thickness of a layer of thermal paste.
So what you do is put the tape down on the HSF with the hole centered on where the cpu will contact the HSF, then put some thermal goop on the hsf in the hole. Then you take a very straight scraper and scrape across the plastic tape. This leaves a layer of thermal goop the exact thickness of the tape on the HSF. You then pull off the tape, and you have a perfect square of perfectly applied thermal goop on your HSF.
Very neat product/accessory. I can't remember what brand of goop it comes with but it's so neat it might be worth buying that kind of goop just to get the tape, if you can't find the right kind of tape yourself. The thickness of the tape determines the thickness of the goop layer so you could even make your own out of different tape thicknesses, to use with different types of thermal goop that might behave better with different application layer thickness.
+1 in Theory
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Tilldeath I have a question as you seem the most knowledgeable when it comes to OC'ing , I have my E5200 OC to 3.0 Ghz and under load it runs around 59C, at rest it's around 39-40C, is this too high, should I back off the OC a bit?
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Tilldeath I have a question as you seem the most knowledgeable when it comes to OC'ing , I have my E5200 OC to 3.0 Ghz and under load it runs around 59C, at rest it's around 39-40C, is this too high, should I back off the OC a bit?
the AT REST is an acceptable temp... what HSF are you using?
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the AT REST is an acceptable temp... what HSF are you using?
For now just the stock one, I do want to upgrade to the OCZ Vendetta heatsink.
I've got good airflow in my case, I have the Apevia X-Cruiser, but still need to install the 2 80mm front fans.
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For now just the stock one, I do want to upgrade to the OCZ Vendetta heatsink.
I've got good airflow in my case, I have the Apevia X-Cruiser, but still need to install the 2 80mm front fans.
Fresh air is good... get with me when your ready for the Vendetta 2
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Fresh air is good... get with me when your ready for the Vendetta 2
Will do. :aok
Yeah I've heard nothing but good things about that heatsink.