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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on October 06, 2006, 08:16:06 AM
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in MW last night.. was a bish with mars.. the fights started out ok but then we gained so many in numbers that every fight was us with 6 or 12 and them with 2-5...
We couldn't switch cause we just had... fortunately two of the guys on the other side were squadies... best fight I had was with a squadie that I found in a canyon in an FM2 even tho we outnumbered the red guys three to one... this was a one on one with only one other red guy in a 109 taking one easily avoided sissy little B & Z at me while we were fighting.
Other than that.... not much fun. The overall numbers were even for countries I guess but the local numbers were really lopsided. The fun of killing squadies made up for it tho slightly.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I dunno we in JG54 were fighting a huge nit horde that wanted V58 awfully badly. It got so intense with 7:1 ratio in the woobiecane hordes favor that we finally were forced to up typhoons to dispatch them efficiently. one fight against nomak was pretty good and another was great but I forgot which one the 5 I killed that sortie he may have been but it was a P38. all in all we died lots but we usually got multiple kills per sortie and I was only vultched once.
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Originally posted by lazs2
in MW last night.. was a bish with mars.. the fights started out ok but then we gained so many in numbers that every fight was us with 6 or 12 and them with 2-5...
We couldn't switch cause we just had... fortunately two of the guys on the other side were squadies... best fight I had was with a squadie that I found in a canyon in an FM2 even tho we outnumbered the red guys three to one... this was a one on one with only one other red guy in a 109 taking one easily avoided sissy little B & Z at me while we were fighting.
Other than that.... not much fun. The overall numbers were even for countries I guess but the local numbers were really lopsided. The fun of killing squadies made up for it tho slightly.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
I know what you mean.
I logged on to this BBS and scanned the new threads. I took a look at this one and had an instant craving for some cheese. I attributed this to the fact I was reading a whine.
I like cheese.....other than that, this tread turned out to be boring.
The fact there are other threads made up for it tho slightly.
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LW last night had a sweet furball going on by A18.
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donzo... I am pretty sure that you don't know what I mean. I am also pretty sure that you weren't there and even more sure that if you were you would have thought it was a great time to be one of the 5 on one green guys.
we just play different.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I still say if HTC took away, or at least severely limited, the radar the fights would be better. That would increase the surprise factor, and help curtail the gangbanging. Sure, if you're the loner type you'd have to change your tactics somewhat, or risk encountering multiple enemy aircraft (i.e. fly with a buddy). You could look at teh map and use logic to try and figure out where the enemy's likely to be, but no longer could a horde know exactly where a lone bogey was, and home in on the hapless guy (or gal).
But I haven't been a paying player for quite sometime, so my opinion may not count for much.
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slimm... I'm thinking the oppossite. good dot dar tells you when a good fight exists... with bar dar people become frieghtened to risk their cartoon lives... they then tend to hold each others hands and go in large groups.
Better... would be more durable radar with the field spacing closer in the early and mid war arenas than in the late war ones.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I tend to see it have the oposit effect slimm.
Have done test to see what happens with radar for everyone all the time.
It tends to promote more but smaller fights.
It tends to let people mount a defense early when a "Horde" is taking off.
HiTech
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The Queen of Hearts, she made some tarts,
All on a summer day:
The Knave of Hearts, he stole those tarts,
And took them quite away!
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Originally posted by hitech
It tends to let people mount a defense early when a "Horde" is taking off.
HiTech
ZOMG!!!1!!!!! :O
Say it isn't so......there's a de-fence for teh horde?????????
You mean you can actually defend against a horde?
Wow, I would have never guessed it.
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I ran into you guys very briefly in MW last night .
(its ok they gave me a new plane and the bleeding stopped when I got to the tower)
I would have stuck around but it was squad night and we ended up setting up operations elsewhere.
look forward to flying against y'all again
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fb... sorry if we were part of the gangbang... it wasn't much of a fight I know but it was all we had. we couldn't switch sides yet or we woulda... we often end up fighting our own sqaudies.... sooo...
we understand why people hate em... they gloat and call us names and steal our kills when they are on our team... Hubs has said some particularly cruel and insensitive things to me in the past.
I may have spent too much time here in the general forum because all the estrogen I have been breathing made me break out in tears.
Probly another couple months here and I would grow breasts... fortunatly.. the Oclub offers hormonal balance.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Nightshift82
LW last night had a sweet furball going on by A18.
Yeah but it got boring after you do 5 or 6 sorties and get either rammed or Hoed by some dweeb that doesn't know any ACM.... The furball was nice, but some of the people were morons. Had some nice runs with pleanty of targets to shoot at but like I said, the HO's and Ram's got rediculus. :rolleyes:
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I was there Laz,
When I arrived it was a few v a few. I saw a couple seafires and FM2 and someothers. I knew it was you guys after Mars got a kill on me.
I was hoping for some good fighting, but then the sky was filled with tons of enemy planes and I bugged hoping to work the edges.
I also like the MW or EW arenas, its tasking me to try some differnt aircraft. That night I was trying the P47D-11. It was alright, but I often was wishing I had a wildcat instead. The fast planes can keep you alive in a bad situation, but the slow ones can make for some great close action.
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Originally posted by hitech
I tend to see it have the oposit effect slimm.
Have done test to see what happens with radar for everyone all the time.
It tends to promote more but smaller fights.
It tends to let people mount a defense early when a "Horde" is taking off.
HiTech
Hey HT,
I'm glad your testing the effects of radar changes. I think there was a lot of anecdotal evidence that dot dar (as opposed to bar dar) led people to where the action was.
Given any thought to testing out some of the suggestions in the radar range wishlist thread? That 25 mile CV radar range would be a good one to try ;) and I'm still of the opinion that some large strat radars (maybe just at HQ in a small map?) would be a good thing too.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by Donzo
ZOMG!!!1!!!!! :O
Say it isn't so......there's a de-fence for teh horde?????????
You mean you can actually defend against a horde?
Wow, I would have never guessed it.
there sure is until you and the hord move off to the next undefended base.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
there sure is until you and the hord move off to the next undefended base.
ack-ack
Yup. It's very annoying having to chase them around like a dog after a shreiking little boy.
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Nah,
ack wack means he doesn't have time to get to 20 k and pick the edges
wnker
wipass
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
there sure is until you and the hord move off to the next undefended base.
ack-ack
ah yes....and the would be defenders fail to pick up and move to that undefended base, opting instead to click quit and post a whine on the BBS.
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Originally posted by wipass
Nah,
ack wack means he doesn't have time to get to 20 k and pick the edges
wnker
wipass
lol...believe me...against you I don't need alt or to pick the edges lol
ack-ack
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donzo.... you get less than one kill for every time someone kills you and that...... when you have every advantage in numbers and in planes... you are lucky to get 5 kills in an hour.
I don't think any of us want to hear what you think is a good time or skilled.
when you learn to at least hold your own against lesser planes that you have a numbers advantage on then maybe we might listen to what you say... course... you will probly have a better idea of what to say then
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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lol, I didnt know your stats determine weather you can post an opinion here :eek:
The Ironic part of this topic...if some noob would have posted the same exact content, Laz the BB Bully, would be the first in line to rip him up
lolol
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think any of us want to hear what you think is a good time or skilled.lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Back at ya, buddy! :aok
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Oh... I don't know.. a discussion of lousy fights due to overwhelming numbers is allways a good place to bring up how the guys who like and advocate that kind of fight......
fight..
Really... newbie or not.. if you fight like donzo you will never get any better.. your only hope to not lose your cartoon life is to hide in a whorde or mega squad and chose the fastest plane you can.. attack only when you have an advantage and be content to maybe get that one killing shot on the 5 on 1 red guy as you and the other four fire from every angle you can get and run like little girls when reversed.
really... a look at the K/D and K/H of those who think furballs aren't fun is allways in order.
never seen you e25280... what do you go by in the game?
I think people reading opinions on what "good fights" are should be able to put it context... I am simply saying that good fights are alien to donzo sooooo... his opinion on the matter doesn't carry a lot of weight on this particular subject.
while the stats are no an end all to be all... newbies who fight may have similar stats but at least they are trying.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
donzo.... you get less than one kill for every time someone kills you and that...... when you have every advantage in numbers and in planes... you are lucky to get 5 kills in an hour.
I don't think any of us want to hear what you think is a good time or skilled.
when you learn to at least hold your own against lesser planes that you have a numbers advantage on then maybe we might listen to what you say... course... you will probly have a better idea of what to say then
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
For starters, when have I said what I think is a good time or is skilled?
And secondly, what do my stats have to do with anything? They tell nothing. No, I do not go out and rack up multiple kills per sortie. So what? I have fun in whatever I choose to do in this game.
I guess the fact that I only have one arm and it is sometimes hard to manipulate the throttle & keyboard and fly at the same time could contribute to my getting killed more than I get kills.
I must say that while it is no surprise that you felt the need to toss your opinion into the ring, it is a somewhat disappointing post. Maybe when you actually say something that actually means something I'll listen to what you have to say... corse... I will probably be a very old man by then.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think any of us want to hear what you think is a good time or skilled.
Don't try to determine (for others) what others want. People are capable of determining and voicing that for themselves.
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Originally posted by lazs2
never seen you e25280... what do you go by in the game?
Which clearly illustrates that you pay little to no attention to what anyone else says anyway.
I've been over this same old ground a few times already. I'd rehash it again, but it isn't worth the effort. You'll ignore any valid points, call names, and continue your claim that somehow your opinion holds weight while no one else's does -- all of which show your closed-mindedness. So, why should anyone care what you think? You just don't get it. And you refuse to try.
Its all good -- fly and fight however you want. Plenty of room for all kinds. Not everyone will fight the way you want. Its a fact. So, why come here and whine about it?
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Lazs2:
"slimm... I'm thinking the oppossite. good dot dar tells you when a good fight exists... with bar dar people become frieghtened to risk their cartoon lives... they then tend to hold each others hands and go in large groups.
Better... would be more durable radar with the field spacing closer in the early and mid war arenas than in the late war ones."
HT:
"I tend to see it have the oposit effect slimm.
Have done test to see what happens with radar for everyone all the time.
It tends to promote more but smaller fights.
It tends to let people mount a defense early when a "Horde" is taking off."
Both points well taken. Gives me another perspective to consider. More and smaller fights is defintely a good thing. Hey, maybe there should be an age limit.
J/K ;)
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slimm... yep.. that is the way I see it. Closer fields would also help for the early war I would think.
ltarget... I am simply pointing out that the guys like yourself and donzo and a lot of the other mega sqaud whorders who defend their actions and are so upset when they get their covers pulled really don't know what a good fight is....
Your stats are allmost a duplicate of donzos with even less success when meeting an opponent even when you have an overwhelming advantage which you and he have allways claimed is good gameplay...
Your stats are an open book... I didn't compile em...you sighned on to have people look at em when you threw in your credit card... You aren't really fooling anyone in any case... the stats just confirm..
So kids... look at the stats of the guys who claim mega squads and whordes and late war planes and 5-10 on one fighting is fun and that it builds skill and see that they...
ain't gettin any better and... are no more fun to play with now than they ever were.,,
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
slimm... yep.. that is the way I see it. Closer fields would also help for the early war I would think.
I don't think that can even be disputed at this point. Anybody that spends a few hours in EAW will see that the best fights have been CV vs Airbase battles, where you have 4k icons while you're still taking off. Then it becomes a swirling mess of a6m & f4f vs hurris, spittys, & p40s.
Inevitably though, the fun police come along to either pork the FHs or CV in an effort to capture/defend a little piece of digital terrain, ignoring the 5 on 5 or 10 on 10 going on right underneath them.
edit: however watching hacksaw pop all the red icons with 5 inches of fury as you merge on them is as comical & impressive as it is annoying.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Your stats are an open book...
My statistics do not matter if I don't care about them......and I don't.
That is a very narrow way of looking at how people have FUN in AH. True, numbers do not lie in that they state what you like to fly/drive, how you perform in them, how you/your squad ranks compared to others, but I see those numbers, especially those that show a lot of diversity in what they like to do, as stating some players don't get stuck exclusively in a single mode of play. Nothing more, nothing less. So what if they aren't great at it? They enjoy it nonetheless or they wouldn't log on---because it is FUN.
So, keep cracking open the score page, and berate everyone with thier stats. That method of forming an opinion only reflects on you and how others see you, but then it doesn't matter to you if you don't care.
You may continue.
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Originally posted by lazs2
slimm... yep.. that is the way I see it. Closer fields would also help for the early war I would think.
ltarget... I am simply pointing out that the guys like yourself and donzo and a lot of the other mega sqaud whorders who defend their actions and are so upset when they get their covers pulled really don't know what a good fight is....
Your stats are allmost a duplicate of donzos with even less success when meeting an opponent even when you have an overwhelming advantage which you and he have allways claimed is good gameplay...
Your stats are an open book... I didn't compile em...you sighned on to have people look at em when you threw in your credit card... You aren't really fooling anyone in any case... the stats just confirm..
So kids... look at the stats of the guys who claim mega squads and whordes and late war planes and 5-10 on one fighting is fun and that it builds skill and see that they...
ain't gettin any better and... are no more fun to play with now than they ever were.,,
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
You can mischaracterize all you want, Lazs. You're not fooling anyone either. Show you can do something besides pick a good turner and go around in circles and we'll talk.
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Originally posted by E25280
You can mischaracterize all you want, Lazs. You're not fooling anyone either. Show you can do something besides pick a good turner and go around in circles and we'll talk.
Compared to the other options in EAW, F4F (lazs choice ride) is not exactly a leader amongst turn rates. Hurri2c, SpitV, A6m, 109e are all superior. P40s, C202, 109f, 38g are all worse. Only one that's a very, very close mathup is the SpitIX. It's middle of the pack at best, so he's not exactly picking ezmode.
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Originally posted by indy007
Compared to the other options in EAW, F4F (lazs choice ride) is not exactly a leader amongst turn rates. Hurri2c, SpitV, A6m, 109e are all superior. P40s, C202, 109f, 38g are all worse. Only one that's a very, very close mathup is the SpitIX. It's middle of the pack at best, so he's not exactly picking ezmode.
But then again you are defending one of the guys whose squad went and padded their scores earlier vultching each other in P-40's. What he thinks the game is and what he thinks it should be really doesn't matter to me. He keeps harping about the mega squad and even has HT calling us an "Airforce". Hell we get together and fly as a squad once a frigging week and all the other time we just do our own thing. Somebody find another reason to blame the game on it's lack of luster besides us for a change.
All the Best
Jay
awDoc1:t
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ironically -- this thread is turning into one heck of a donnybrooke!! :cool:
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But then again you are defending one of the guys whose squad went and padded their scores earlier vultching each other in P-40's.
You really need to get the story straight ...
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Originally posted by indy007
Compared to the other options in EAW, F4F (lazs choice ride) is not exactly a leader amongst turn rates. Hurri2c, SpitV, A6m, 109e are all superior. P40s, C202, 109f, 38g are all worse. Only one that's a very, very close mathup is the SpitIX. It's middle of the pack at best, so he's not exactly picking ezmode.
Point taken, but I didn't say "best" turner. The F4-F is the closest thing in the Early War to the FM-2, his preferred (if not exclusive) ride before the arena split. So it still demonstrates one-demensional thinking and an unwillingness if not inability to move outside his own comfort zone.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
But then again you are defending one of the guys whose squad went and padded their scores earlier vultching each other in P-40's.
You really need to get the story straight ...
Oh but I remember the mega troll that it was. I'm sorry SlapShot as I believe you weren't involved in it but again it's a case of the squad reputation and how it does or does not reflect on the individual. If the story isn't straight then enlighten us? I just think Laz has a creditability problem in his postings. You. however are a different story as I've previously agreed with some positions you have posted and haven't seen the mega distortions from other of your squad.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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They used gv's against Lev's P-40 B, which even though he landed 202 kills, counted NOTHING toward his score, at all. Didn't get one kill for his fighter stats, but it did cause some whines.
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Now, there you have it straight.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Your stats are allmost a duplicate of donzos
And they are both strikingly similar to some guys in another squad I know of :lol
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
But then again you are defending one of the guys whose squad went and padded their scores earlier vultching each other in P-40's. What he thinks the game is and what he thinks it should be really doesn't matter to me. He keeps harping about the mega squad and even has HT calling us an "Airforce". Hell we get together and fly as a squad once a frigging week and all the other time we just do our own thing. Somebody find another reason to blame the game on it's lack of luster besides us for a change.
All the Best
Jay
awDoc1:t
I'll defend whomever I choose :) I can promise you one thing, merge with a BK, and you know you're gonna have some fun. I've been exactly where you were before though... so let me explain alittle bit in a fashion that's not antagonistic (BKs usually very funny, but not so good at that).
I've experienced all the different kinds of fun in this game. I've scorepotatod and been in the top 20 several times. I've done Rook Joint Ops. I've porked FHs from 22k with a fight going on. I cherry picked 31 people in 2 hotpads in a P47D40, and even Hitech's F4U & Pellik's 38). I've bombed toolsheds in Ju87s with moabs, hotpadded it several times, just to raise my score. I've snuck around the edges of furballs in an la-7, and shot down 5 people that never saw me coming just for the "WTG" from squaddies. I've rejoiced when a "vulch queen" would keep upping more & more low eny fighters for me to perk farm. I've captured more than my fair share of bases. I've used my laptop and a friends account to hunt down people that HO'd me. I was absolutely loyal to my little Rook symbol, and Bish & Knit dweebery was the source of all the game's ills. Ultimately, it was all a crutch that did not make me a better, or even respectable player, even though my scores and results had never been higher.
Then, like a lightswitch being turned on, everything changed. On a whim, I left my squad, changed countries, and after a few days being on the minority side, some guys from the 80th FS were nice enough to bring me onto their vox and teach me how to dogfight in P-38 (thanks guys!). After that, I started always joining the country with the lowest #'s. I read alot about ACM and took a nice pounding in the TA in the process. Back in the MA, I upped into the vulch, relentlessly, and figured out it's easy to shoot people as they overshoot the vulch (which I find very rewarding). I gave up on landing almost altogether since it just takes too long, so I just bail & re-up so I can go back to fighting (even with kills). Eventually, the numbers became so ridiculous it wasn't worth playing. It's just not worth upping when 10+ guys came hurtling in at you with a 400mph advantage. Now, there's no question that I could up from a different base, get plenty of alt, and cherry pick the vulchers to my hearts content... but that takes time. That same time could be better spent fighting on more equal footing and improving the pure ACM skills that let you survive 1 vs 2, 3, 4, 5 without needing that monstrous E advantage to overcome the numbers.
Ultimately, it's like craftsmanship. Yes, a factory (your "airforce") can produce a much higher volume of goods (kills, dead toolsheds, etc). However, the quality of craftsmanship falls off horrendously compared to the lone artist... ever been spanked by Fester, Urchin? I have. It was fantastic and I still remember every turn of every fight.
Then, we were blessed with the EWA, and it most definately floats my boat. Sure, people still HO, people still cherry pick, but to me it feels like there's been a 90% reduction in its occurances. Fights are lower, slower, and alot more intense. There is little to no margin for error when you're not 100mph faster than they are.
Now, I die 10x more. I replane like it's going out of style. I stalk squaddies on VOX when they have the temerity to come into the EWA and not change sides. I haven't dropped a hangar intentionally in months... but, I'm better than I ever have been before, and I'll gladly turn with anybody, anytime (provided I have guns & gas left to make it a decent fight). Win or lose, doesn't matter. At the worst, I'll get alittle respect for not HO'ing, and having the stones to fight it out as best I can. If you can make the experts work hard, you're on the right track. It gets even worse, because now, in my mind, even when somebody is 600m behind me, in my head, they're still about to die, they just don't see it coming. I'm still trying to kill them when my tail is off and I'm fluttering a few hundred feet to the ground.
Mass numbers squads will always be a crutch for people and reduce their potential skill, and what's worse, all previous and some current game mechanics encourage this behavior. I was lucky enough to realise this and get away from it. The more help you have, the less likely you are to actually work at solving the complex geometric puzzle that is air to air combat, and you'll miss out on many great aspects of the game. It's not just about "well we only have 1 squad night a week!"... it's about the entire mentality that comes with it. It's doing a disservice to yourself and the community by intentionally neglecting important skill sets and staying welded to those crutches.
just my 2 pennies. trying to make AH2 a more dangerous place to fly :)
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Thanks for your post Indy. I appreciate your attitude but mine is a little different as I come here to relax and I really don't want to make this game a job. Some want the ACM and some just wanna let off some steam. I work long hours and don't want to spend a lot of time on maneuvers and flight tactics. It's not just a I'm better than you thing for me. I respect your devotion to your way of play. It just doesn't fit into my work schedule. You guys do need some targets to fill our creel and I'm just one of them. I fly to interract with my teamates and friends and I really don't care if I get killed or not. Does this really mean that my type of play is wrong? What I am seeing now is a war brewing between the "Purist" and the "Hobbiest" and nothing more. Personally I don't care about score, rank, or anything else but to come here and have some time to escape the pressures of my job, my life, my family, and just whatever else bugs me. Is that so wrong? I do it with my online friends and I have fun and that is all that I care about. We have such a mega-squad that I went to EW and MW (my favorite arena) today after working a 12 hour shift and I was the only one of my "mega-squad" on so it isn't like we dominate an arena. Would I care? Not in the least as I only wanna have some fun and I don't look for them to be a crutch for me. I'm an old fart in my 50's and I just don't care about devoting my life to the science of ACM and SA to have some fun.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Indy, great post. But it pre-supposes that everyone is out for the same thing -- to get better and become the best cartoon pilot there is.
That's my only real point in all this. I play to have fun. Whether I "get better" is irrelevant to me.
Somehow, though, the fact I have fun doing something besides dedicating myself to "constant improvement" is the "wrong way to play" to some.
I don't make fun of those who play differently, because there is no "right way" to play. I recongnize that fact. I just wish others did too.
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Ultimately there is no right or wrong way to play, just preferences.
There's simply ways to play that make you better in air to air, or worse.
I work for myself & do 60+ hour weeks. I get maybe an hour in the evenings to play if I'm lucky, maybe 2 or 3 on the weekends. The conversations I have are usually with the people I'm fighting against (sometimes in the middle of the fight). I've found getting into fights as fast as possible and killing & being killed gives me the fun I'm looking for. Just couldn't find it in the old MA (edit: except in Fighter Town). Wasn't conducive at all to my preferred style of play. Luckily the 71 Squadron invited me onto their vox this weekend. They play with the same mentality I do, and I hope I'll get to fly with & against them regularly from now on. They're a tough fight. Prior to that I had to stalk BKs around the arena to keep tabs on the good fights.
Also, If you login to EWA and see all the carriers on 1 side driving at top speed directly at the nearest enemy base... probably was my doing in the faint hope I can squeeze in a sortie every 3 or 4 minutes to get my fix before I explode in a dazzling globe of g/f+chores ack or some dweeb pops the CV (or FHs) in an effort to save some piece of digital landscape.
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I think that the guys crying foul about being outed are like politicians who claim they believe in one thing and vote another... your stats are your vote.
For people who say they don't care....... they sure seem to care...
The only times I fight squaddies it is mean and bitter and cutthroat... they are cruel and insensitve to me.... They lower my K/D dramaticaly... you try fighting furball one on one if you don't get it.
I started the thread explaining what a lousy fight was.... the timid mega squad guys had to chime in... I think it is more than fair to use their stats to show that in a thread like this....
The fact that they are part of the problem and not the solution is relevant... I think that outing them is good for new guys reading this board... I think also that the new guys should read indy.
Indy get's it and... like a lot of guys he gets it cause he earned it. The stuff he did is the stuff most veteran furballers did years ago including myself. I know I can pick a fast plane and be untouchable.... and bored.
I have taken up tempests and every manner of plane in the AvA... they can all dogfight.... it just embarasses me to take the best plane in any arena.... takes away from the joy of winning to me. I also tend to be lower.... A lot lower... than the guys I kill. Plenty of people here have flown with me and against me cause....
I am willing to change sides to even up the fight.... something else that the guys crying in this thread don't know anything about... they are the ones that don't know anything about the community as they have shut out 2/3 of it.
I think it is helpful for new guys to see that there are more ways than timid whode to play and that losing a cartoon plane is no big deal.... My handle stated out in dos AW as lazurus because.... well.... we come back from the dead here... different games over the years have forced the shortening of the name but the idea is still the same..
You new guys..... You get to come back.... jump in the fight and kill or die... learn from it. film it and watch the films to see what you did wrong or....
go with the whorde guys and know that you won't get better.... that everytime you meet a red plane.... no matter what advantage you start with.... you have a better than even chance that if you can't run away... you will die.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Stang
They used gv's against Lev's P-40 B, which even though he landed 202 kills, counted NOTHING toward his score, at all. Didn't get one kill for his fighter stats, but it did cause some whines.
:t
Now, there you have it straight.
And there ya have it ...
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I didn't know the stats ment all that much. First couple weeks I started AH2 a stayed high and pulled a 3-4 ratio. YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNN. After that I almost quick until I met Creton. Now my ratio went bye bye but I'm 30 times better. Started going in without advantage into 1-3 EA as recommended and learned a lot very fast.. also started having "fun". If played soft enough any one can have a great ratio. Play how you want, you only learn by dying.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think any of us want to hear what you think is a good time or skilled.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
I would. Your opinion though has been expressed some 17000 odd times. How about you put a sock in it instead of asking others to...
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Originally posted by lazs2
My opinion is the only one that matters. If you disagree with my opinion, I will make fun of you and call you names.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Edited for brevity.
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Clearly some of you guys missed the point of me landing hundreds of kills in a P-40.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by SlapShot
And there ya have it ...
Here's even funnier Slap...
I've let my squaddies vulch me hardcore on several occasions, upping ENY 5 fighters. Call it payback for using squad vox to stalk & blast apart their toolshedding endeavours.
Nobody ever noticed :furious Probably because I'm not a BK :lol
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Clearly some of you guys missed the point of me landing hundreds of kills in a P-40.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Ya think !?!?!?
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Originally posted by indy007
Here's even funnier Slap...
I've let my squaddies vulch me hardcore on several occasions, upping ENY 5 fighters. Call it payback for using squad vox to stalk & blast apart their toolshedding endeavours.
Nobody ever noticed :furious Probably because I'm not a BK :lol
:aok
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being a relativly seasoned noobs to the game and fighter sims period i not wuite sure i am jaded or narrowminded enought o see lazs point. keep in mind that i am totally biased, as a BOP i was able to absorb much more knowledge than the regular 2 weeker. with 100+ members that BOPs gave me the basics to evolve into the gameplayer i am and set a firm foundation for the gameplayer i can be.
Flayed and EGG gave me tips on how to flatten anything from any alt. KITE777 showed me how those guys way up in the sky were able to kill me instantly. Viper215 helped me learn to fly on the edge of any plane. Bushlt told me how to kill any gv at angle from any distance and Falcnwng instilled the keys to winning at this game be it land grab or rank. every single one of these men and many others who spoon fed me tips and insight did it with respect and honor. never once was there bragging or taunting over 200. maybe a few whines for time to time but who hasn't? i came to respect men like mongol and minnow and jam93 not because of there skill but the respect they command from the bish.
i follow the BBS in realtive silence but lately it seems like lazs hasnt be posting in favor of the small guy, it seems like his topics are more of an outcry because the game didnt evolve the way he had hoped. or maybe he didnt want it to evolve maybe he wanted to stay the same.
and on a side note
Clearly some of you guys missed the point of me landing hundreds of kills in a P-40.
-- Todd/Leviathn
i dont see any particular point in accomplishing something like that except maybe proudly displaying for all to see how easy it is to twist the game for what ever purpose
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Originally posted by jhookt
i dont see any particular point in accomplishing something like that except maybe proudly displaying for all to see how easy it is to twist the game for what ever purpose
Not really. Most people already know how easy it is to game the game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ltarhook... thank you for proving my point... the mega squad taught you how to play... their best taught you how to fly fighters...
After all this time... you now can grab the best planes in the game... come in with 100 squadies and help and all the advantages and know.....
That you will get killed allmost every time you meet a red plane no matter how inferior it is or how much advantage you have.
They taught you how to win? I guess we just have a different way of looking at "win".
la7...nik... spit 9 and 16 and d9.. it matters not.. the "skill" that was taught you make you meat in those planes more than 50% of the time.
New guys need to look at not only what these mega squad guys are saying but what they are really doing.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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classic post hook, thank you very much. I'm impressed. going for Bop to a LTAR. your mom must be so proud.
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Originally posted by jhookt
Falcnwng instilled the keys to winning at this game be it land grab or rank.
Read my posts again. That right there is the inherrent problem. You think you're winning. No reason not to, you were taught that's the way to play.
Now sit back and think about it objectively for a second.
High-alt, pinpoint bombing just means you know where the calibrate screen is, and have a sense of timing marginally better than Steve Martin in The Jerk. Great learning experience. Honestly, I'm confident a monkey could be trained to do high alt bombing in AH. It used to be a bit trickier, but HT neutered even that. As long as your true speed matches your calibrated speed, you can't possibly miss.
Why do the people way higher than you kill you instantly? Because you've never been taught how to beat them. You've never even been taught that you CAN beat them. They've done you a disservice, but it doesn't matter, because you won't believe me anyways. The fact is, people that are way, way higher than you suck 75% of the time. Neither alt, nor bundles of E, are required to beat them... just a few furballs in the TA with quality instructors to teach you a trick or 2. One hour of real fighter practice with a quality instructor will reward you every second of time you spend in any arena after that. Not only will it reward you with a better experience in the arenas, it also will reward your opponents with a tougher fight.
I had more to write but I'm busy as hell today :( Here's a summary though... people say they wanna landgrab. That's cool... but every reset your work is flushed down the toilet for an amount of perks you can earn in an hour without even a vulch. People also they just wanna logon and have fun with their friends. That's great, it really is. However, in the thousands of hours I've put into this game... not once ever did my VOX stop working because I chose to turn with a guy instead of let 5 of us BnZ him to death. I still talk to my squaddies and have fun with them, the only difference is I fight differently now, nothing else has changed.
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Dear HTC,
Can you please (please, please, please) add a new arena to the MA?
I would like to see an arena named Laz's Playpen.
I would like you to also force all new players into this arena for a minimum of 6 hours before they can fly in any other arena.
I think this would go a long way in conditioning all of the n00b's to play this game the way it was meant to be played....Laz's way.
Regards,
Donzo
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Originally posted by Donzo
Dear HTC,
Can you please (please, please, please) add a new arena to the MA?
I would like to see an arena named Laz's Playpen.
I would like you to also force all new players into this arena for a minimum of 6 hours before they can fly in any other arena.
I think this would go a long way in conditioning all of the n00b's to play this game the way it was meant to be played....Laz's way.
Regards,
Donzo
I'm still plugging away at an EWA map with closer bases, and a thing or 2 that hasn't been done on any current map. First thing I did was email Lazs to get BK input.
When its finished, and if it's accepted... people will feel the fury.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Dear HTC,
Can you please (please, please, please) add a new arena to the MA?
I would like to see an arena named Laz's Playpen.
I would like you to also force all new players into this arena for a minimum of 6 hours before they can fly in any other arena.
I think this would go a long way in conditioning all of the n00b's to play this game the way it was meant to be played....Laz's way.
Regards,
Donzo
You provide the perfect opening for this quote taken from a different thread. . .
Originally posted by Hitech
For instance lets look at what I view as Laz's ideal arena taken to exess.
Air starts 5k off deck. No bombers,no scoring , artifical box aound the play field, that if you run you are blown up. All planes turning style planes, with no planes faster than others.
This would create one fast paced, continues quick action furball. But what are the side effects.
1. New players would burn out fairly quickly.
2. Will to live dimisish greatly.
3. You never get that successfull feeling of beating the odds, and living to tell the tail.
4. You have very little time to socialize with other players.
So while some furballers would say, hey thats all good stuff, I belive AH would be dead long ago if thats all it was.
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great post indy, sadly there are those who will never, ever get it.
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Originally posted by storch
great post indy, sadly there are those who will never, ever get it.
Storch feels the fury. :aok
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Originally posted by E25280
You provide the perfect opening for this quote taken from a different thread. . .
You need to quote the post in it's entirity ... HT has issues with both sides of the fence.
Originally posted by hitech
FALCONWING: Please do not confuse my post as bop bashing. I have never stated the Bops wanted to always be on the country side with numbers. Nore do I belive game play like the Bops "win the war" stratagy is a bad thing. Nor do I belive coradinating tatics as a bad thing.
This is exatly the same as I view the laz type game play, I do not belive wanting to just find the closest fight is a bad thing either.
I allso do not belive country or squad loaylty is a bad thing.
All have there place In AH.
But problems arise when any of the above are taken to excess.
For instance lets look at what I view as Laz's ideal arena taken to exess.
Air starts 5k off deck. No bombers,no scoring , artifical box aound the play field, that if you run you are blown up. All planes turning style planes, with no planes faster than others.
This would create one fast paced, continues quick action furball. But what are the side effects.
1. New players would burn out fairly quickly.
2. Will to live dimisish greatly.
3. You never get that successfull feeling of beating the odds, and living to tell the tail.
4. You have very little time to socialize with other players.
So while some furballers would say, hey thats all good stuff, I belive AH would be dead long ago if thats all it was.
It is my belief that creating an "Air force" like the Bop's is a also form of exess.
So I don't view your post as "suspicion".
I do view it as you put
1. Loyalty to "Air Force".
2. Loyalty to "Country"
3. Creating a Sudo realy Air Force, with simalar rules.
4. Creating one of the larger Air Forces in AH.
Above the need for ah's over all game play.
And your post while not stating the above resones I see it as an attempt to try put your rules above AH's game play. I also do not think that you are trying to do this dilibertaly (I.E. I do not believe you think My way or AH be damed)
I view you more like,
These would be your thoughts.
"I see problems like Imbalance , lower arena limits,less friendly arenas then of old. But I think that we can change other things to still let me implemnt my "Air force" pryorities.
What I believe you do not see , is simply you have taken it to exess.
HiTech
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Last nights Latewar numbers support Hitech's thoughts about excess. 184 Bish (BoPs being Bish) 91 Knits, 97 Rooks, when I logged on.
Yep, well balanced :)
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Yeah, but Dan you remember what happened when we headed up to A3 when a swarm of them popped up.
:)
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Originally posted by Stang
Yeah, but Dan you remember what happened when we headed up to A3 when a swarm of them popped up.
:)
It was a bit of a one sided blood bath wasn't it :)
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Most one sided slaughter in a large scale engagement I've seen in ages.
Good fun.
:)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You need to quote the post in it's entirity ... HT has issues with both sides of the fence.
The only "side of the fence" I have referred to in this thread is Lazs' inability to deal with the fact that his way is NOT the "only" way, nor the "right" way, despite his continual insistence that anyone who doesn't play like he does "doesn't get it." According to Hitech's post, Lazs doesn't exactly "get it" either.
Someone disagreed with Lazs' take on the game. Lazs pulls out some idiocy about stats as if it "proves" something, and concludes that somehow that makes opinions contrary to his "wrong". To which I call BS. To which Hitech's post attests.
And in that context, what Hitech also says about the BOPs is irrelevant.
Bottom line: The game is what you make of it. There is no right or wrong way. Plenty of room for everybody. One size does NOT fit all - claiming that it does is bunk.
If I have been inconsistent in that message, please correct me. :aok
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E25280: Your mistaken if you take my post as me saying Laz dosn't get it,
He was just used by me as an example. If you look at most of laz's post he normaly is just pushing back when the "strat" guys start pushing things to the extream.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
E25280: Your mistaken if you take my post as me saying Laz dosn't get it,
He was just used by me as an example. If you look at most of laz's post he normaly is just pushing back when the "strat" guys start pushing things to the extream.
HiTech
I respectfully disagree with your take on his posts. I find a great many of them to be disrespectful to put it mildly, often with no more provocation that stating an alternate view.
But there is that "opinion" thing again. Yours is the only one that holds weight here.
And if "doesn't get it" is too strong, I apologize for putting words in your mouth.
never mind, silly question.
Guess I am done with this one. :lol
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I find a great many of them to be disrespectful to put it mildly
This I do aggree with.
HiTech
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Originally posted by E25280
Indy, great post. But it pre-supposes that everyone is out for the same thing -- to get better and become the best cartoon pilot there is.
Just to chime in...speaking for myself only...as always...
I gave up on becoming the best pile-it there is long ago, about 10 years ago when I realized I did not have whatever "the right stuff" is. I simply am not and never will be, and I'm completely fine with that. All I shoot for these days is to get online for a few hops, mix it up, have some fun, share a few laughs, and hopefully end up a little better than I was when I started.
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Originally posted by hitech
If you look at most of laz's post he normaly is just pushing back when the "strat" guys start pushing things to the extream.
HiTech
LOL HiTech please...
In my particular experience with him he lied about my stats/scoring and posted that I flew Spits exculsively when I don't even fly them ever. All because I was asking for the CAP limits to be higher. I hardly call that "pushing back the strat guys".
Hell in this very thread he is telling a newb that his opinion doesn't matter. Is that really the impression you are trying to send???
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Raider: Please do not confuse lazs rudeness and posting style, With the the point I was making about lazs understanding.
The 2 have nothing to do with each other.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
Raider: Please do not confuse lazs rudeness and posting style, With the the point I was making about lazs understanding.
The 2 have nothing to do with each other.
HiTech
If you look past laz's personal attacks, he actually makes many valid points.
As scary as this is, I tend to agree with a lot of what laz posts. I don't agree with HOW he says things, but WHAT he says is actually pretty spot on im many cases. (wow... did I just say that?)
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So many ruffled feathers over what one guy says to you about how you fly your virtual cartoon airplane... in a game. Get a life, lol.
If you can't take it from people in an online forum like this, where frankly it should be damn hard to be truly offended, I'd hate to see what happens when people call you guys out in RL.
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Originally posted by WMLute
If you look past laz's personal attacks, he actually makes many valid points.
As scary as this is, I tend to agree with a lot of what laz posts. I don't agree with HOW he says things, but WHAT he says is actually pretty spot on im many cases. (wow... did I just say that?)
uh oh .. now its turning into a kumbaya love fest:O
I'm not putting my witchburning gear away yet... I demand a witch burning!!
oh and a fighter town map/arena would be awsome! :D
:aok
My perspective on the guy who ignores the defenders to drop his eggs(i do this too ) ---"oh crap I better get my bomb run in fast so I can have a chance against the "light" defenders"(i dont do real well with 2x1000lbs under my hellcats wings-- heck some would say i dont do real well at all hehe)
Attacking undefended bases is lame ... but in most attacks there is a point where the enemy has been supressed out of existence (fh's down) and they dont last long enough in the sector to make a good looking dar bar.. what im try to point out is eventually almost any basetaking will appear to be a horde vs no one event even when it didnt start out that way.
(i do agree there is horde vs no one activity)
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I understood what HT said in the context he said it ltar... I didn't ever quote the examples that blasted the mega squads because the entire... get it "entire? quote was about extremes.... It was not meant to be taken as what certain people do so much as types... types of players. It does seem that you were so elated to see my name and so crushed to see mega squad mentioned that you made the dishonest quote despite knowing it was out of context and you would get caught.... toolsheeder mentality at it's best.
To be clear... I would not like airstarts. I would not like every single plane exactly the same.... I would like then to be within some reasonable similarities in say climb and speed and turn and such with say 20 mph on the deck being the max diff... The new arenas pretty much satisy in that regard.
I would also like the fields to be aboutr 3/4 of a sector apart in, at least, the early war...
raider...if I lied about your stats then I'm sorry... I don't think so tho... I just look em up. maybe you had a different handle or something? I can't even find "raider179" in the stats. I don't know how I would have looked yours up so figure your post is just more toolsheder "embellishing" and quoting out of context.
sheesh... I post enough... you guys should be able to find something....
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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when all is said and done... I am a furballer. I admit that I don't have much patience for the landgrab in the arena. I don't have much use for the same style in BB... I fight here too.
It is all "we have to be really nice to each other and post respectfully" This is the toolsheder way and you guys are polite...
So long as the thread goes your way and the game goes your way.
When the game changed or you are called on your style.... it was/is hysterics and all pretense of polite and calm went out the window.... A 180..... now it was "I quit and am leaving forever and taking 100 guys with me if you don't go back to how it was" It wasn't just me that got called names either... the whole HTC crew got namecalled and threatened and more... and it wasn't by me... never was. I didn't change.
In fact.. despite the number of posts toolsheders like to bring up... I don't post here much... I know that if you scratch the surface of these "polite" toolshedders.... you will find a vitriolic and rude sneak who can't control their temper. I post in the oclub where the guys are much less sensitive and... when they are being dishonest.... people call em on it. I posted here more in the last month than I have here in a year and less than some of the toolshedders have lately.
I may be direct but I am consistent and... I think... honest. I find the mood swings of the supposedly "calm and polite" guys to be a constant source of entertainment.
You guys had your way for a very long time... I figured that was the way it was and stayed off your mutal admiration BB and cut my hours playing.
AH is fun again... playing more hours.
Oh.... besides some maps with a little closer fields.... can we have a few new early war planes?
I would like the f4f-3 a little faster than an FM2 with about the same climb and 4 guns.
Thanks
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I think fast planes are needed to escape the post-bean burrito aroma usually found trailing that FM2 of lazs'!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I think fast planes are needed to escape the post-bean burrito aroma usually found trailing that FM2 of lazs'!:aok
...and all this time I thought that cloud was an oil leak!
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Originally posted by lazs2
raider...if I lied about your stats then I'm sorry... I don't think so tho... I just look em up. maybe you had a different handle or something? I can't even find "raider179" in the stats. I don't know how I would have looked yours up so figure your post is just more toolsheder "embellishing" and quoting out of context.
sheesh... I post enough... you guys should be able to find something....
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]
Man nice try at an apology but no thanks... It was in the threads after the arena change. You not even remembering shows me exactly how much you pay attention to the garbage that comes out of your mouth...
You asked for my ID and I gave it to you... So take your half apology and keep it to yourself...
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Originally posted by lazs2
I understood what HT said in the context he said it ltar... I didn't ever quote the examples that blasted the mega squads because the entire... get it "entire? quote was about extremes.... It was not meant to be taken as what certain people do so much as types... types of players. It does seem that you were so elated to see my name and so crushed to see mega squad mentioned that you made the dishonest quote despite knowing it was out of context and you would get caught.... toolsheeder mentality at it's best.
The quote was in no way dishonest. Since he used your name, I assumed you advocated for all the items he listed at some point. If I was mistaken, its a mistake. Mistakes are a far cry from dishonest.
Originally posted by lazs2
I may be direct but I am consistent and... I think... honest.
And I believe I have been consistent with my message that there is no right or wrong way to play -- I'll add "when not taken to an extreme," as Hitech put it, to be perfectly clear. One size does not fit all. There is more to the game than the Furball - or the Landgrab.
And here I thought you were goading, but I guess you honestly believe these quotes (order rearranged)
Originally posted by lazs2
really... a look at the K/D and K/H of those who think furballs aren't fun is allways in order.
donzo.... you get less than one kill for every time someone kills you and that...... when you have every advantage in numbers and in planes... you are lucky to get 5 kills in an hour.
Your stats are allmost a duplicate of donzos with even less success when meeting an opponent even when you have an overwhelming advantage which you and he have allways claimed is good gameplay...
So kids... look at the stats of the guys who claim mega squads and whordes and late war planes and 5-10 on one fighting is fun and that it builds skill and see that they...
your only hope to not lose your cartoon life is to hide in a whorde or mega squad and chose the fastest plane you can.. attack only when you have an advantage and be content to maybe get that one killing shot on the 5 on 1 red guy as you and the other four fire from every angle you can get and run like little girls when reversed..
So you are saying you honestly believe you can tell from K/D ratio and K/H stat that I:
#1 only fly in a horde
#2 only fly the most advantageous planes
#3 only fight when at an advantage
#4 always run when at a disadvantage
#5 If "forced" to fight, fold easily
All this while never having flown with or against me in the MA (not that I can recall, anyway).
Almost forgot #6 claim overwhelming advantage is good gameplay.
Please show me where I ever said that. The only thing I can think of that ever came close is when I said upping against the horde could be fun.
You look at your K/D and K/H scores and know you like to fight. You look at my scores and say it is "obvious" I don't like to fight as they are poor in comparison to yours.
Apples and Oranges.
You can make some categorizations based on stats, but it not the ones you make. My stats obviously say "landgrabber" (after all, there are base captures). Yours obviously say "furballer". They say nothing to comparative "fight style." The goals are too different. As a landgrabber your goal is base capture and base defense. As a furballer your goal is to shoot down cartoon airplanes.
For sake of argument, lets say you suddenly decided to be a landgrabber.
:( Hey, stop laughing, I'm serious. Bear with me . . .
Your flights tend to be longer than when you were a furballer. After all, you have to make the journey all the way to the opposing base instead of half way between the closest bases. Your K/H just decreased due to increased flight time.
When you get to the base, there is field ack to contend with. You may have occasionally had that when furballing, but now you have to deal with it consistently. Occasionally it kills you. Your K/D ratio just decreased.
When it does kill you, you have that long flight again . . . K/H suffers.
As a landgrabber, part of defending your territory is to keep the other sides' strats porked. Porking raids increase time in the air. Maybe someone will up a defense against you and you can get a kill, but most likely its a just a few buildings instead. K/H suffers.
Sometimes to defend your base, you up from a field that is capped. You get vulched. Perhaps repeatedly. K/D ratio takes a hit.
To keep those pesky bombers at bay, you may actually climb to alt once in a while. That takes time. K/H suffers.
Heck, if you really don't care about your score, you may even intentionally fly your plane into the ground or bail rather than RTB. More K/D damage.
Etc. Etc.
Not to mention now that GVs are thrown in, and who can really tell what your air-to-air ratio is based on those stats?
How much would your K/D and K/H change? Not possible to quantify exactly, but it would be significant.
Now, what does all of that say about your fighting style when you meet up with the enemy? If you are the only fighter heading to a base when most of your squad is in GVs or bombers, do you turn tail and run if there are enemy fighters up? Do you engage only if your plane is better? Have you brought an LA-7 instead of your trusty FM-2? Because you grab land now, has all your courage and skill suddenly left you?
Of course not. You fight. It's what you do. Just now it is channeled to a goal outside the fight itself.
Use any analogy you want -- individual vs team, Slapback vs Football, deathmatch vs capture the flag -- it about preferences and opinions as to which is "more fun".
If someone said your opinion was worthless because your rank isn't good enough, and made all kinds of value judgements about how you played the game because of it, would you call them on it? How is using any portion of the score any different than that?
Wasn't too terribly long ago someone had claimed the BKs were "ruining the game." Most BKs called foul, and rightly so. All were being painted with the same broad brush by someone who had a beef with one of you. (Admittedly, I had tended to do the same broad brushing to that point - but I learned.)
You use a very broad brush when it comes to any "strat" type (individual or squad). It's just as unfair.
I don't know why I'm bothering, since I know no opinions will be changed here. But it went this far, so what the heck. "So, kiddies" . . . enough of my rant.
Happy Hunting. :aok
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Heyas Laz....
It's simply a different crowd these days....it's a new world old man.
Dale would starve if just the old folks played....maybe we should form a new sqd of just those old, mean and fight hungry guys and hunt down the gangers and strat girls...make life a bit tougher for them.
Just a thought
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Originally posted by Rude
Heyas Laz....
It's simply a different crowd these days....it's a new world old man.
Dale would starve if just the old folks played....maybe we should form a new sqd of just those old, mean and fight hungry guys and hunt down the gangers and strat girls...make life a bit tougher for them.
Just a thought
Wow.
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Yeah, wow, what a frikkin great idea.
:aok
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brilliant! This idea should be done immediately!
P.S.
I hear the bk's were toolshedders, but couldn't cut it, so now they pretend to be fighters....err..furballers.
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e23487554 I have seen the toolshedders in their whordes... everyone here has...
Yep... K/H would suffer.. it takes time to gather up a whorde and figure out just what undefended base you want to kill sheds at... It takes time to get to alt and it is reall a drag waiting in the conga line to try to kill the one or two planes that are dumb enough to be there when you do get there..
Bad for K/H... K/D? How can you have a lousy K/D if you are 5-10 to one? Oh wait.. you can auger or killshoot each other...
Is there anyone here who hasn't gotten 2 or 3 kills on a whorde who dove in on him... without firing a shot?
It's your $15... play as you like.. but don't expect people to not pull your covers.
raider... I don't recall the incident you speak of or even who you are but... If I said something about your stats..... it was true. Unless I got the wrong guy... quit trying to be someone else and it will all be cleared up.
All in all tho... My point remains. You guys fly the best planes and you fly in the whordes.... you have more chance to vultch wheels down players than any other group and do so... and yet... you die more than you live in any all the fights combined...
That means... you live in when in the whordes and get good K/d on vultches and risk free stuff sooooo... you must die at least twice as often as your stats indicate when you get caught in real fights or ones where you lose the advantage.
I can't imagine ever dieing if you only flew fast planes in the whorde. How do you guys manage?
Some players here have solved the mystery... they have talked about how easy it is to get a fast plane and harvest kills from the sheep in wolves clothing that is the whorde.
And... you aint gonna get any better before you quit. And, you will quit... the whorde and "strat" and land grab is not something that holds many peoples attention for years. Sadly... you will be replaced by more of the same I'm afraid. I won't be fighting with you there or here... just someone who is just like you and just as sensitive and for just the same reasons.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
In fact.. despite the number of posts toolsheders like to bring up... I don't post here much...
You guys had your way for a very long time... I figured that was the way it was and stayed off your mutal admiration BB and cut my hours playing.
Thanks
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Well for someone who doesn't post here much, how the heck do you get 17K+ post accredited to ya?
Actually you want it to be back to the way that you had it for so long and it wasn't quite cumfy was it? I personally believe that we can have a "Fair and Balanced" game by giving you furballers what you want in an exclusive fightertown area of the map that is NOT able to be captured, porked, or ransacked by the heathens and this has been suggested and pleaded for many time in the past. The same thing goes for tanktown. All this upheavel could have been avoided with just those two additions to gameplay. Instead we have a war of the "purist" and the "hobbiest". I call HT out on this one as he could have prevented it with those changes to gameplay. Laz, as much as I despise the way you present your ideas, some have merit and I can't fault you for that. You just seem to want to impose your style of gameplay on the rest of us and we don't like it. Why don't you advocate for a harmony of gameplay in that all can have their cake and eat it too?
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. I like the different arena concept, I wished it had more capacity and those areas that would be appreciated by all... Namely, the untouchable fightertown and tanktown and the rest would be free for all to do whatever their style enjoyed.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Well for someone who doesn't post here much, how the heck do you get 17K+ post accredited to ya?
O'Club.
That's where the really good arguements are at.
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as a girlfriend once asked me.... "have you ever thought of using your powers for good?"
no. but then I am reminded of the moral of the little birdy who was freezing to death when a cow came by... (see movie My Name is Nobody)
as for my posts.. go to the oclub and you will see how I get so many posts... no... don't go there.. you are waaaaay too sensitive.
Let's be honest here tho.. FT was hated by the toolsheders... they cried allmost as much about it. they sent teams of griefers to kill it. No one played nice... Is it worse to talk not nice here or to pretend to be nice and then.... not play nice? hypocrites.
my original idea was for a large map with "area's" the area would be a early war one in the map with fewer, closer fields that somehow.... late war griefers could not take off from or get to.
This idea was recieved just like any other that took "resources" from the squeaky voiced whorde.... with derision and passion against it..
Now... you want to go back to those times and koombye aaah? HT must be laughing or just shaking his head in wonder.
Truth is... I talked to HT about this at a convention years ago and he said that he didn't think it would work with the (then) current arenas.. course there were less than half the guys on then in prime that there are now.
HTC came up with the current solution. I am happy with it but of course... still like my old idea.... the toolsheders went balistic tho.... they went balistic over fighter town and they would go ballistic over my idea of an early war area that they couldn't whorde in late war planes. They will allways go ballistic if they can't have one arena where everyone is forced to fly late war planes in a whorde or nothing.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Rude
....maybe we should form a new sqd of just those old, mean and fight hungry guys and hunt down the gangers and strat girls...make life a bit tougher for them.
Just a thought
I'm a relative noob, but I would love to fly with / learn from a squad such as this.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
I'm a relative noob, but I would love to fly with / learn from a squad such as this.
I have my one man squad called "Late War is still a slum".
We rock.
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Originally posted by lazs2
as a girlfriend once asked me.... "have you ever thought of using your powers for good?"
no. but then I am reminded of the moral of the little birdy who was freezing to death when a cow came by... (see movie My Name is Nobody)
as for my posts.. go to the oclub and you will see how I get so many posts... no... don't go there.. you are waaaaay too sensitive.
Let's be honest here tho.. FT was hated by the toolsheders... they cried allmost as much about it. they sent teams of griefers to kill it. No one played nice... Is it worse to talk not nice here or to pretend to be nice and then.... not play nice? hypocrites.
my original idea was for a large map with "area's" the area would be a early war one in the map with fewer, closer fields that somehow.... late war griefers could not take off from or get to.
This idea was recieved just like any other that took "resources" from the squeaky voiced whorde.... with derision and passion against it..
Now... you want to go back to those times and koombye aaah? HT must be laughing or just shaking his head in wonder.
Truth is... I talked to HT about this at a convention years ago and he said that he didn't think it would work with the (then) current arenas.. course there were less than half the guys on then in prime that there are now.
HTC came up with the current solution. I am happy with it but of course... still like my old idea.... the toolsheders went balistic tho.... they went balistic over fighter town and they would go ballistic over my idea of an early war area that they couldn't whorde in late war planes. They will allways go ballistic if they can't have one arena where everyone is forced to fly late war planes in a whorde or nothing.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
But I'm not a toolshedder, I have rarely fown buffs, I do fly attack missions in fighters to pork but I couldn't tell ya how to bomb in buffs in here. I don't want to go back to the frigging old MA, I like the arena splits myself and have expessed how I like the idea of multiple arenas and again for you (are you hard of seeing?), I would like the cap increased and don't really have a gripe about the ENY as I know it will be adjusted but I do firmly believe that places need to be set aside for those that just want to fight and tank. Just what is wrong with that and why do you go off on this toolshedders triad when I'm expressing that I would like to see us all have fun in the same place? Oh, I guess it's just not your way and I really bet you hate the BK commercials of having it "your way" don't ya? For those who are so thick headed (Laz), let me say it again... I like the multiple arenas and would like to see the following:
1. Arena capacity increased
2. Protected Fightertown and TankTown areas
3. Some good fights that all can enjoy in their areas meaning that other than the protected FT and TT areas, anything goes for bombing, strafing,capturing, etc...
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS... I hate the kumbuya stuff too!
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
But I'm not a toolshedder,
:cry
I just had to check...
8 attack sorties
50% landed
About right, attacking a field is dangerous.
1 assist
0 kills
This sorta proves you are attacking things that don't fight back or at least the undefended areas like Lazs is saying.
You did have a good hit % though...those toolsheds don't take evasives do they?
:rofl
EDIT: I just went to close the window of your scores and saw some more things intersting.
Those 8 sorties took you over 2 hours.
You have as many buff sorties as you do attack, funny since you said you don't fly them.
As a fighter (hahaha) you average just over one kill per hour, get one kill every five sorties, and die more than twice as often as you kill....wow.
...and you are more than welcome to look at my sorry stats...will have to go back a few tours to get meaningfull numbers since I'm not very active. What I think you'll see is that I can get good K/D or good K/T but noth both, which illustrates flying style, which was Lazs original reason for looking at scores..
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
P.S.
I hear the bk's were toolshedders, but couldn't cut it, so now they pretend to be fighters....err..furballers.
Have I told you about the time we tried to do a base capture and got all the way to the point of dropping troops and the goon driver didnt know how to do it? Funnier still, none of us in the strike package could tell him either. Probably had base supplies instead of troops anyway.
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Originally posted by indy007
I have my one man squad called "Late War is still a slum".
We rock.
lol great stuff indy
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How about this for an idea.
How about we mess with the victory conditions somewhat? How about instead of 10 troops being the only method of capture why not also securing a capture by cutting and holding supply line (I.E. preventing all supply vehicles, convoys, M3's, LVT's, Jeeps, trains, goons the works from getting in) for a certain amount of time, say 30 min-1 hour? Should even one vehicle make it through the clock is reset.
It would make for a very interesting shift in strategy play and it would provide some unique GV opportunities too. It would also go a long way to reducing the amount of toolshedding.
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Originally posted by SD67
How about this for an idea.
How about we mess with the victory conditions somewhat? How about instead of 10 troops being the only method of capture why not also securing a capture by cutting and holding supply line (I.E. preventing all supply vehicles, convoys, M3's, LVT's, Jeeps, trains, goons the works from getting in) for a certain amount of time, say 30 min-1 hour? Should even one vehicle make it through the clock is reset.
It would make for a very interesting shift in strategy play and it would provide some unique GV opportunities too. It would also go a long way to reducing the amount of toolshedding.
Not a complete idea, but parts of it have some future to it.
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Baby steps better than no steps :)
Too much change too fast could be scary to some :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Edbert
:cry
I just had to check...
8 attack sorties
50% landed
About right, attacking a field is dangerous.
1 assist
0 kills
This sorta proves you are attacking things that don't fight back or at least the undefended areas like Lazs is saying.
You did have a good hit % though...those toolsheds don't take evasives do they?
:rofl
EDIT: I just went to close the window of your scores and saw some more things intersting.
Those 8 sorties took you over 2 hours.
You have as many buff sorties as you do attack, funny since you said you don't fly them.
As a fighter (hahaha) you average just over one kill per hour, get one kill every five sorties, and die more than twice as often as you kill....wow.
...and you are more than welcome to look at my sorry stats...will have to go back a few tours to get meaningfull numbers since I'm not very active. What I think you'll see is that I can get good K/D or good K/T but noth both, which illustrates flying style, which was Lazs original reason for looking at scores..
Hmmm... I flew some goons and I did gun for a squaddie once in his JU-88. I don't consider goons as a buff myself. Oh, and yes I did once this campaign up a boston in the first or second day of the campaign but it was probably the first time I took a buff in several months. I did manage to kill a ho'ing 110 on my return to the base though. You'd have seen that my stats indicate that I gv and fly fighters way more than anything else. I don't really care about your stats nor do I care about mine and you can continue to thump your chest about what a lousy fighter I am as I really don't give a rats buttocks what my k/d ratio is or how many times I land or die. As far as your stats go, I wouldn't even waste my time as I neither care or worry about it. If it makes you feel good then you can go look at them yourself and gloat about what a he-man cartoon fighter pilot you are. ROFLOL!
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/746/sleepingsmiley012qw8.gif) (http://imageshack.us) Wastin' your time Doc. Not worth it.
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Originally posted by jhookt
being a relativly seasoned noobs to the game and fighter sims period i not wuite sure i am jaded or narrowminded enought o see lazs point. keep in mind that i am totally biased, as a BOP i was able to absorb much more knowledge than the regular 2 weeker. with 100+ members that BOPs gave me the basics to evolve into the gameplayer i am and set a firm foundation for the gameplayer i can be.
Flayed and EGG gave me tips on how to flatten anything from any alt. KITE777 showed me how those guys way up in the sky were able to kill me instantly. Viper215 helped me learn to fly on the edge of any plane. Bushlt told me how to kill any gv at angle from any distance and Falcnwng instilled the keys to winning at this game be it land grab or rank. every single one of these men and many others who spoon fed me tips and insight did it with respect and honor. never once was there bragging or taunting over 200. maybe a few whines for time to time but who hasn't? i came to respect men like mongol and minnow and jam93 not because of there skill but the respect they command from the bish.
i follow the BBS in realtive silence but lately it seems like lazs hasnt be posting in favor of the small guy, it seems like his topics are more of an outcry because the game didnt evolve the way he had hoped. or maybe he didnt want it to evolve maybe he wanted to stay the same.
and on a side note
Clearly some of you guys missed the point of me landing hundreds of kills in a P-40.
-- Todd/Leviathn
i dont see any particular point in accomplishing something like that except maybe proudly displaying for all to see how easy it is to twist the game for what ever purpose
If you spend all your time with 100 wingies you will never experience what this game is about
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Originally posted by bj229r
If you spend all your time with 100 wingies you will never experience what this game is about
Please, enlighten us...
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Originally posted by Donzo
I guess the fact that I only have one arm and it is sometimes hard to manipulate the throttle & keyboard and fly at the same time could contribute to my getting killed more than I get kills.
I have use of 1 arm as well, nerve damage limits the other one...
If you have a spare JS plug it in, put it on the floor and move the throttle using a foot / toe. The buttons on the floor stick can be set for dropping gear, or check 6s too.
That alone easily improved my K/D. I'm using a craptastic old logitech for throttle that lost its AH usability months ago. If your interested I can share my JS set up too, I rarely ever touch the KB, and never have a need when twisting one out. I have also perfected playing First person shooters, BF2, Americas Army et al, using a 5 button mouse.
Also over at http://www.thinkgeek.com they sell a USB pedal set up called the "StealthSwitch", works pretty good for games.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Please, enlighten us...
Whats there to say? Ya fly in a huge borg cube, getting kills in 5 on 1's, thinking... "this isn't so hard" Remove borg cube, die lots more....different... more exciting game:aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Whats there to say? Ya fly in a huge borg cube, getting kills in 5 on 1's, thinking... "this isn't so hard" Remove borg cube, die lots more....different... more exciting game:aok
Have you ever been a "mega-squad"? Or do you just assume to know what's it like?
Or are you a Score Analyst Technician (like laz) and make a determination on someone's personal enjoyment of this game based on their score?
What a lot of you do not understand is the fact that just because some of us are in a "mega-squad" it does not mean that our actions are carried out as you suggest they are. In my case, the squad I am in has a squad night one night of the week. On this night we all fly together. Besides this one night we pretty much do our own thing. Yes, this means that we do things together sometimes when there are more than a few of us on. We get along and we like being associated with each other.
If you and the others like you perfer to lone wolf it and become an uber l33t fiter pilet, go for it...we don't care.
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Originally posted by Donzo
If you and the others like you perfer to lone wolf it and become an uber l33t fiter pilet, go for it...we don't care.
Ahh the first sign of the borg cube effect... the man no longer speaks in the first person, he has transitioned to "WE":D
(btw, after some 7 years, I have attained the status:
of a very average fighter pilot)
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donzo.. the mega squad guys don't do as they please... you guys still live by restrictive rules no matter what with banishment the penalty for even switching sides to even out the fights... the mentality of the borg cube goes with you 100% of the time.
This shows in your scores... you never get better. You never become someone worth fighting. You never even up the numbers and you allways look for a toolshed or outhouse to battle.
If you do show up at a good fight you don't contribute to the fun... you dampen it. You guys are the guy everyone hates to see show up at a party.
I am glad you guy found the LW arena. 30-70 guys in the early war can really get some great fights going if you guys stay out of em.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Keep typing, because that's all you've done about the problem.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Whats there to say? Ya fly in a huge borg cube, getting kills in 5 on 1's, thinking... "this isn't so hard" Remove borg cube, die lots more....different... more exciting game:aok
OH but you haven't flown in a borg cube? Let me refresh your memory from a post by you in another thread (Low Buffs Engagement):
My old squad, the Oddcaf/ Karaya/Uknome/47Ronin, did a Ploesti re-enactment one night on the large pac map (with the gv fights in the middle)--- takeoff point to first target (refinery, somethin like that) was about 6 sectors, NOE, about 12 sets B24's---made a Cv flash about 2/3 the way to first target--(Ghi apparently saw it)--- We popped up at the first target/refinery to about 2k, dropped 500 pounders, then split into 2 groups, went east and west, each group to hit one other strat-type target, again NOE--by this time, GHI and a few buds were after us, and it was a running fight for the next 5 sectors back to nearest friendly base--(we had to go around a big island that housed one of their bases) We shot all of them down at least once, as they were having a bad time getting out in front and doing a proper attack--(even WITH a proper attack, deck buffs present a more difficult target, as you cant pass below, gives you less room to avoid the hail of '50s). Were killing one fighter after another after another, and more of B24's were getting shot down--One of our cv's was about one sector from the landing spot, and some of the dead guys upped in fighters to escort back the survivors. who were all about out of ammo..oil, aluminum, etc. Managed to get maybe 2-3 guys of the original 12 back to base---was the coolest experience I've had in 6-7 years of AH (oh yah...I got 1 plane back..2 engines, no gear--landed 8 kills )
Now wasn't that you that posted that message? 12 sets of B-24's is one heck of a death cube in my opinion. I've never seen my "mega-squad" do that on a squad night. Oh and your last line of your post indicates that you had one of the coolest experiences in your 6-7 years of flying in AH. Hmmm, guess we have a credibility problem here.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
OH but you haven't flown in a borg cube? Let me refresh your memory from a post by you in another thread :
My old squad, the Oddcaf/ Karaya/Uknome/47Ronin, did a Ploesti re-enactment one night on the large pac map (with the gv fights in the middle)--- takeoff point to first target (refinery, somethin like that) was about 6 sectors, NOE, about 12 sets B24's---made a Cv flash about 2/3 the way to first target--(Ghi apparently saw it)--- We popped up at the first target/refinery to about 2k, dropped 500 pounders, then split into 2 groups, went east and west, each group to hit one other strat-type target, again NOE--by this time, GHI and a few buds were after us, and it was a running fight for the next 5 sectors back to nearest friendly base--(we had to go around a big island that housed one of their bases) We shot all of them down at least once, as they were having a bad time getting out in front and doing a proper attack--(even WITH a proper attack, deck buffs present a more difficult target, as you cant pass below, gives you less room to avoid the hail of '50s). Were killing one fighter after another after another, and more of B24's were getting shot down--One of our cv's was about one sector from the landing spot, and some of the dead guys upped in fighters to escort back the survivors. who were all about out of ammo..oil, aluminum, etc. Managed to get maybe 2-3 guys of the original 12 back to base---was the coolest experience I've had in 6-7 years of AH (oh yah...I got 1 plane back..2 engines, no gear--landed 8 kills )
Now wasn't that you that posted that message? 12 sets of B-24's is one heck of a death cube in my opinion. I've never seen my "mega-squad" do that on a squad night. Oh and your last line of your post indicates that you had one of the coolest experiences in your 6-7 years of flying in AH. Hmmm, guess we have a credibility problem here.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Hmm, your SAT's on reading comprehension must have been poor-- it was a RE-ENACTMENT/SCENARIO, VERY high risk, and we werent trying to take a base, or even attack PEOPLE----- P-L-O-E-S-T-I--like 2 or 3 of us made it back (not terribly dissimilar from the real event)-- Dont see how 12 guys in NOE B24's hitting non-bases compares to 75 LA7's smothering a base:confused:
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Originally posted by bj229r
Hmm, your SAT's on reading comprehension must have been poor-- it was a RE-ENACTMENT/SCENARIO, VERY high risk, and we werent trying to take a base, or even attack PEOPLE----- P-L-O-E-S-T-I--like 2 or 3 of us made it back (not terribly dissimilar from the real event)-- Dont see how 12 guys in NOE B24's hitting non-bases compares to 75 LA7's smothering a base:confused:
OK show me 75 la7's hitting anything in here let alone from my "mega-squad" it has never happend! That is what miffes me up most is that you folks have joined a witch hunt and blame the ills of the game on my squad (BOPS) without knowing squat about what they are talking about. Just how many times does it need to be posted that my "mega-squad" flies together one night a week for two hours and that all the other time we just do as we please. For someone who was so intuned into what the game is about you first come blasting with a personal attack in your response indicating that my reading comprehension must be poor. I guess that says a lot about you doesn't it? Like I said, your credibility must need some fine tuning. You didn't answer my posting that you did in fact fly in something more similar to a "borg cube" than what you have accused us of flying in. The bottom line is get off our buttocks unless you know what you are posting about.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Doc, I'm gonna quote you in the feeble hope that this is understood by all.
sir.
Originally posted by doc1kelley
Just how many times does it need to be posted that my "mega-squad" flies together one night a week for two hours and that all the other time we just do as we please.
You may now resume the drumhead trial.
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thunderegg, the facts discredit that statement you quoted. you guys are always thick as thieves and if you aren't in a "skwad night" then you are surely involved in a practice for teh "skwad night". when ever I see any members of you Bops you are doing the same thing the same way and the toolsheds tremble.
what I don't understand is why you feel you need to apologize for it. If I were in your skwad I would admit that you suck, that the only way you can play is with the baitfish mentality in pilchard mode, that it's your $15 and that who ever doesn't like should resign from the game and be done with it.
this continous attempt by members of your skwad to defend your lameness is not doing any good. besides it's not just you guys that suck there are many others as well. no one takes the time to improve any more. the only way to get good in any endeavor is to pay your dues, in this game it means dying lots and asking for help from trainers. there are many great players who generously share their and expertise with any who ask. in closing continue to revel in your mediocrity but do so in private. the rest of us are content in smacking you down at every opportunity. you are keep this thread alive with your silly responses.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
OK show me 75 la7's hitting anything in here let alone from my "mega-squad" it has never happend! That is what miffes me up most is that you folks have joined a witch hunt and blame the ills of the game on my squad (BOPS) without knowing squat about what they are talking about. Just how many times does it need to be posted that my "mega-squad" flies together one night a week for two hours and that all the other time we just do as we please. For someone who was so intuned into what the game is about you first come blasting with a personal attack in your response indicating that my reading comprehension must be poor. I guess that says a lot about you doesn't it? Like I said, your credibility must need some fine tuning. You didn't answer my posting that you did in fact fly in something more similar to a "borg cube" than what you have accused us of flying in. The bottom line is get off our buttocks unless you know what you are posting about.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Ok you're right, 12 guys doing a historical re-enactment, not attacking people/bases, and 75 la7'S vulching a base into the ground ARE THE SAME THING (truly had no idea you were/are in one of the Bop squads) the 75 was somewhat rhetorical, but I DID witness one with 50+ Ki84's one night...(before the big change) was certainly unique. That being said, a squad with 100 or so guys, even on a NON squad night, prolly has more guys online then many squads ON squad night (you know, the Bop's REALLY weren't the focus of my original point, I like Falcnwng, and really don't want to get into yet another one of these Bop pi##ing matches)
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Originally posted by storch
thunderegg, the facts discredit that statement you quoted. you guys are always thick as thieves and if you aren't in a "skwad night" then you are surely involved in a practice for teh "skwad night". when ever I see any members of you Bops you are doing the same thing the same way and the toolsheds tremble.
what I don't understand is why you feel you need to apologize for it. If I were in your skwad I would admit that you suck, that the only way you can play is with the baitfish mentality in pilchard mode, that it's your $15 and that who ever doesn't like should resign from the game and be done with it.
this continous attempt by members of your skwad to defend your lameness is not doing any good. besides it's not just you guys that suck there are many others as well. no one takes the time to improve any more. the only way to get good in any endeavor is to pay your dues, in this game it means dying lots and asking for help from trainers. there are many great players who generously share their and expertise with any who ask. in closing continue to revel in your mediocrity but do so in private. the rest of us are content in smacking you down at every opportunity. you are keep this thread alive with your silly responses.
Considering the gay flying style of your squadron and how they act in the AvA, you or anyone in your squadron is hardly qualified to comment on anyone else's squadron.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by storch
thunderegg, the facts discredit that statement you quoted. you guys are always thick as thieves and if you aren't in a "skwad night" then you are surely involved in a practice for teh "skwad night". when ever I see any members of you Bops you are doing the same thing the same way and the toolsheds tremble.
what I don't understand is why you feel you need to apologize for it. If I were in your skwad I would admit that you suck, that the only way you can play is with the baitfish mentality in pilchard mode, that it's your $15 and that who ever doesn't like should resign from the game and be done with it.
this continous attempt by members of your skwad to defend your lameness is not doing any good. besides it's not just you guys that suck there are many others as well. no one takes the time to improve any more. the only way to get good in any endeavor is to pay your dues, in this game it means dying lots and asking for help from trainers. there are many great players who generously share their and expertise with any who ask. in closing continue to revel in your mediocrity but do so in private. the rest of us are content in smacking you down at every opportunity. you are keep this thread alive with your silly responses.
Oh yeah that is why you just smacked us down in EW and ran home huh? our horde of 3 that were way lower and against you and jerry2. You let Jerry 2 get whacked while you ran home to land your kills. Get a frigging grip Storch, you were the 110 that was whacking an undefended base and tried hoeing me in my single boston while landing in my only buff run earlier this campaign and you lost. YOu smacked me down two other times in fighters and I saluted you but you refused to return the salute. It was only just us two in the entire sector and half of the entire country at the time. You are no prince and you have no respect and you don't give any. I've paid my dues and it surely isn't up to you to determine just who has and has not "paid their dues"! Go away silly boy and come back when you grow up.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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me get a grip? lol, that's rich. after smacking down two out of five and running low on fuel I rtb as you lemmings were horde upping in spitwads and woobiecanes I guess to avenge your cartoon suckage.
once again fellows. let your suckage rest, everyone knows what you are all about.
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Originally posted by storch
There is no reason to drag your wife into this.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
There is no reason to drag your wife into this.
ack-ack
I never proposed to you
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Originally posted by storch
me get a grip? lol, that's rich. after smacking down two out of five and running low on fuel I rtb as you lemmings were horde upping in spitwads and woobiecanes I guess to avenge your cartoon suckage.
once again fellows. let your suckage rest, everyone knows what you are all about.
The number that defines "horde" has now officially been reduced to "5".
Storch, It was me, AWDoc, and BushLT this morning. That was all. There were a couple other Bish (I did say BISH, not BOP) perhaps. Next comment, please.
P.S.
We need to DA sometime. I'm not great, but I try to have fun however the fight goes. You game?
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Originally posted by storch
. . . besides it's not just you guys that suck there are many others as well. . .
BTW, storch, with only 5.4 kills per hour as of this moment, I think you made lazs' list of those who obviously aren't any good, only ride in a horde, will never improve, fly timid, etc.
Just thought I should clarify that for you. ;)
I agree this thread should just be allowed to die -- but since it is near the top, I will sign off with these last thoughts.
I truly learned a lot of things in this thread that I didn't know before.
I mean, I had no idea that all base-capture types were also griefers at heart and only wanted to ruin the fun of the furballers. But it is hard to argue with the logic of "I got griefed, and it was by a toolshedder, therefore all toolshedders are griefers."
I had no idea that a mega squad with 90 players could keep the thousands of other players from changing sides if they wanted.
I also had no idea that once you were in a mega squad you could never leave, even if you wanted to.
I am still not sure how 5 people heading to a base is a horde, but any 10 v 2 near fightertown is just a furball. But, dangit, it must be, a furballer says so.
Six to eight people heading to a base are overwhelming odds, despite the fact that any number can up from the base in defense. This I didn't know.
I wasn't aware only the bishops have squads. Someone should tell the Hells Angels they need to go away now. :) (Sidebar - wonder what happened to the LCA?)
I didn't know the reason some didn't like the changes was because, egad, someone might fly a plane that isn't late war. I will have to go back and see where those complaints were, because somehow I missed them.
I also missed where every single "toolshedder" in the game threatened to quit and called people names after the arena change. Every single one! Couldn't have been a vocal few, no sir. It was all of them. Which means when any of them say anything contrary to the only people who truly know what is fun in the game, we need to do our best to make fun of them and call them names. I see so clearly now.
OK, end sarcasm. This is making me ill.
It is pretty obvious there is no arguing any logic with many people in here (which is no surprise). When it gets beyond broad brushing to throwing whole cans of paint, nothing can be acomplished.
Continue having fun, everyone.
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Originally posted by storch
thunderegg, the facts discredit that statement you quoted. you guys are always thick as thieves and if you aren't in a "skwad night" then you are surely involved in a practice for teh "skwad night". ...
Maybe you just dont notice them when they're spread out, but I can serve witness to the fact that BOPs dont always play in large numbers.
A few nights ago I went low side (bish that night) and Thundregg and I hopped from base to base defending. There werent a ton of other BOPs on, but they werent "thick as theives" and they weren't ruining anything.
In fact, it was kinda fun.
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I flew fighter cover for a mission that Thundregg launched some months ago. Strategically, it was a good mission and it was good fun.
I took an engine hit from flak in the Pony i was flying at 15k though, so that was ****e.
It was a fairly large bomber run, there were 4 groups plus 2 Ponys escorting... but I don't think it ruined anything for anyone.
It stopped the rooks taking bases because the Buffs porked ord and troops a few bases back down their southern front.
It was a good semi-realistic mission, so i thought it was good.
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I'm begining to think that because I'm a member of a "horde", ANY number of us that fly together constitutes a "horde". At times, I must be a one-man "horde" just because I'm a BOP.
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Originally posted by thndregg
I'm begining to think that because I'm a member of a "horde", ANY number of us that fly together constitutes a "horde". At times, I must be a one-man "horde" just because I'm a BOP.
hello thndregg, I have two suggestions for you. next time you are flying alone have one of your horde members film it so you can post it and prove it to those you care to impress. secondly, you left a vowel in your handle, did you think of thndrgg? it would be consistent that way. lord knows you guys are uniformly consistent.
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Storch. In effect, you're calling the rest of us liars, even Simaril, agree? And my in-game ID is the same as my BBS ID. Maybe I should leave out a vowel so it will fit in your brain when you fantasize about me from now on....babe.:rolleyes:
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I'm not calling you anything, I'm merely offering a suggestion. remember I'm on your side. I'm the guy that has repeatedly said that it's your US$15 and do what ever you please. I don't understand your need for approbation so perhaps this is where I'm errant. this though just occurred to me, maybe you have this overpowering desire to be loved? this possibility blows my mind (very small explosion, no need to be fearful). what's the matter not enough love in a 90+ member squad? once again, play the way you like, no one is paying your account for you. ignore your detractors.
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I have never said that the bop were the only mega squad that was causing problems.. they are the one who did the most wailing and rending of garments and... empty threats... when the changes came and, they keep defending the lamest aspects the loudest so...
they make themselves a target. They complain that they only have 90 players even tho the limit is 32... a brag on gameing and griefing in most fair peoples eyes... they have rules that are counter to good gameplay... They seem to have accepted anyone with a mouse and the ability/personality to go borg. They go all ballistic and defensive one minute and brag the next. They both weakly defend and brag about what they do... often in the same post.
90 guys and unless there is a rule against those guys posting.... not one of em has a sense of humor.
they brag and whine about "community" yet have rules that keep them isolated from the community.
They say that they know what good fites are and then tell us we simply don't know how to find em yet their stats show that they have no idea what a good fite is... they want the old MA because they like the fact that some (not them) will choose inferior or slower planes and increase their chances.
I think that what they are is what the influx of new guys are. I think that is what the new guys coming in want... look at how full the LW arena is... look how many fly fluffs at every fight on the map...any map...
maybe this is the way it will all end... with whordes all going in the big whorde circle taking each others undefended bases... maybe the only "fights" will be 5-10 on one and the only "kills" will be this way or wheels down.
The core of players who like to fight each other seems to be much smaller than I had imagined.. they numbers of these players hasn't grown... the number or lamers has tho.. and.. they aren't learning...
I do blame the mega squads for this... they are saying.. "it's ok to suck... embrace your suckage...you don't need to be good cause you can join us and we will teach you how to sneak and to borg whorde... even if none of us are any good.. there is strength in numbers..."
There was a time when anyone who couldn't win a fair fight half the time was so ashamed that they looked for fights till they got better...
now... they join a mega squad and pretend that they don't care cause.... they are "taking bases" so they "don't really suck"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I get enough appreciation from life, work, and family in general. In fact, I spend a lot less time in the game. Last night was the longest session I spent playing in 2.5 weeks. I haven't been involved in 2 squad nights so far. When I do get to play, Late War is where I visit the least. I usually go fart around by myself looking for a fight in a Spit5 in MW or EW. When you shot my goon down by the V-base we were trying to take, there were TWO others with me.
Is that a horde?
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damnit lazs stop that, you are going to make them cry again. sheesh this thing will rival the voss thread before long.
come Bops, buck up. resist the urge to respond. go blow up a toolshed or something.
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good for you thndrEgg, I didn't mean to shoot down your goon and your squaddies my trigger finger did that all on it's own. since I did it you can be sure there was no thought behind it at all.
I sell amway products door to door from a big white/rusty 1979 LTD station wagon with huge 1980's era Amway magnetic signs on the doors.
what do you do for living?
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Originally posted by thndregg
I'm begining to think that because I'm a member of a "horde", ANY number of us that fly together constitutes a "horde". At times, I must be a one-man "horde" just because I'm a BOP.
When you fly & fight alone, people notice...
Provided you fight hard enough to be worth noticing.
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Originally posted by storch
me get a grip? lol, that's rich. after smacking down two out of five and running low on fuel I rtb as you lemmings were horde upping in spitwads and woobiecanes I guess to avenge your cartoon suckage.
once again fellows. let your suckage rest, everyone knows what you are all about.
Guess you can't count either? three and all significantly lower.
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Originally posted by storch
damnit lazs stop that, you are going to make them cry again. sheesh this thing will rival the voss thread before long.
come Bops, buck up. resist the urge to respond. go blow up a toolshed or something.
When that happens ... God creates a kitten.
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Originally posted by storch
good for you thndrEgg, I didn't mean to shoot down your goon and your squaddies my trigger finger did that all on it's own. since I did it you can be sure there was no thought behind it at all.
I sell amway products door to door from a big white/rusty 1979 LTD station wagon with huge 1980's era Amway magnetic signs on the doors.
what do you do for living?
I work for a Bentonite/Zeolite mining company on the extreme Eastern edge of Oregon. Closest town has a population of 150.
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I've never heard of those minerals, what are they used for?
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Storch who gave you permission to be civil?
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Originally posted by Simaril
Storch who gave you permission to be civil?
the same guy that's turning you into an (a seven lettered word that completes that sentence)
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Originally posted by thndregg
We need to DA sometime. I'm not great, but I try to have fun however the fight goes. You game?
Funny how storch answers every questions or comments on every statement... except this one.
:O
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its beyond hysterical when the 2 biggest mouths in these forums never notice that everyone is laughing at their ignorance!!---some people just like to start arguments--its all they got going for themselves---well that and there scores!!!!-----heres to the big mouths--we can all only pray that we can achieve the aerial nirvana that they have attained!!!---god knows that they will scorn us for not following in their hallowed footsteps---------if i only liked air to air combat--i would probably spend most of my time in the DA with the rest of my fellow gods!!!------oh please you gods of the air and ah -please teach us how to become more like you!!!---CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!! WHEN I GROW UP ---I WANNA POST OVER 17 THOUSAND---YES I SAID --17 THOUSAND TIMES ON THE BULLETIN BOARDS JUST LIKE MY HERO!! and his little friend-who is doing his best to catch up!! can,t wait to read the extremley witty and intelligent reply
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18,000 posts and not one nice thing to say. Ever! HaHaHaHa!!!!!Sad indeed.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
its beyond hysterical when the 2 biggest mouths in these forums never notice that everyone is laughing at their ignorance!!---some people just like to start arguments--its all they got going for themselves---well that and there scores!!!!-----heres to the big mouths--we can all only pray that we can achieve the aerial nirvana that they have attained!!!---god knows that they will scorn us for not following in their hallowed footsteps---------if i only liked air to air combat--i would probably spend most of my time in the DA with the rest of my fellow gods!!!------oh please you gods of the air and ah -please teach us how to become more like you!!!---CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!! WHEN I GROW UP ---I WANNA POST OVER 17 THOUSAND---YES I SAID --17 THOUSAND TIMES ON THE BULLETIN BOARDS JUST LIKE MY HERO!! and his little friend-who is doing his best to catch up!! can,t wait to read the extremley witty and intelligent reply
Can I get a paragrah?
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Originally posted by 1Boner
its beyond hysterical when the 2 biggest mouths in these forums never notice that everyone is laughing at their ignorance!!---some people just like to start arguments--its all they got going for themselves---well that and there scores!!!!-----heres to the big mouths--we can all only pray that we can achieve the aerial nirvana that they have attained!!!---god knows that they will scorn us for not following in their hallowed footsteps---------if i only liked air to air combat--i would probably spend most of my time in the DA with the rest of my fellow gods!!!------oh please you gods of the air and ah -please teach us how to become more like you!!!---CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!! WHEN I GROW UP ---I WANNA POST OVER 17 THOUSAND---YES I SAID --17 THOUSAND TIMES ON THE BULLETIN BOARDS JUST LIKE MY HERO!! and his little friend-who is doing his best to catch up!! can,t wait to read the extremley witty and intelligent reply
Do you suffer from priapism ?
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Originally posted by USRanger
18,000 posts and not one nice thing to say. Ever! HaHaHaHa!!!!!Sad indeed.
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That's not true ... he has plenty of ... umm ... a few nice things to say in our Squad Forum ... but he has created a whole lot of kittens lately.
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Originally posted by storch
I've never heard of those minerals, what are they used for?
Bentonite is used as drilling mud for wells of various types. It's absolute SLIME when it gets saturated. Zeolite is used in animal feed (such as chicken scratch) and in soil for various agricultural purposes.
I apologize for straying off the subject.
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Originally posted by USRanger
18,000 posts and not one nice thing to say. Ever! HaHaHaHa!!!!!Sad indeed.
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Man these guys even gang ya on the bbs;)
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you have no clue, I went to DA with one. prior to accepting his challenge I specifically asked if he would go alone and he said yes. once in the DA three others showed up. these guys are like the ladies in that they even go to the restroom together.
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Originally posted by lazs2
They say that they know what good fites are and then tell us we simply don't know how to find em yet their stats show that they have no idea what a good fite is... they want the old MA because they like the fact that some (not them) will choose inferior or slower planes and increase their chances.
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The core of players who like to fight each other seems to be much smaller than I had imagined.. they numbers of these players hasn't grown... the number or lamers has tho.. and.. they aren't learning...
I do blame the mega squads for this... they are saying.. "it's ok to suck... embrace your suckage...you don't need to be good cause you can join us and we will teach you how to sneak and to borg whorde... even if none of us are any good.. there is strength in numbers..."
There was a time when anyone who couldn't win a fair fight half the time was so ashamed that they looked for fights till they got better...
now... they join a mega squad and pretend that they don't care cause.... they are "taking bases" so they "don't really suck"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Laz you are comedy...lets review some facts...
Lets examine your squads scores....My wing of BoPs "falconwing" has better fiter rank...even though we spend less then 1/4 of our time "pure fitering". you have not even touched a gv or bomber...
we play all aspects of the game...you have done nothing but spend all your time in a fiter..one attack run...you kill less then 1.2 per sortie so you are obviously protecting your k/d or running out of guys to fight.
you have only spent 15 hours on this entire camp....less then an hour a day...so how well do you know the community?
so, for someone who does nothing but fiter, you may qualify as the suckage you accuse us of...
also as i have asked you before...lets go to the da...ill show you how i went way past your skill level long ago and got bored with "fitering". hitech is right..if thats all there was to this game i would have left years ago...
i apologize to the bk's for dragging all of them into this..but he paints a broad stroke and is your minister of communication or something.
Once again lazs....lets go da...you have refused in the past but isnt it exactly what you claim you want? even playing field...same plane...no interference from others? why are you petrified of proving that furballing makes one a superior fiter?? ill tell you why..because you know it has no bearing at all...that flying low alt blazing into each other takes no skill...and once you are locked up you are a sitting duck for the next low alt guy coming in to hammer you...i have watched you fight and you hang around the fringe with a wingy picking guys off...gimme a break please
prove it lazs...i got a 15 yo in the squad named viper215 who grew with us...i got $100 says he takes you out in the da....prove that he has learned nothing in 3 years with us...
and hitech sir i have held off typing this for almost a month...but enough is enough...lazs is a mediocre pilot who gets off insulting others when he doesnt put enough time into the actual game to know what he is talking about.
ill go now and add up how much time he has flown in the last 6 camps versus others he puts down...should be great fun:aok
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Originally posted by storch
you have no clue, I went to DA with one. prior to accepting his challenge I specifically asked if he would go alone and he said yes. once in the DA three others showed up. these guys are like the ladies in that they even go to the restroom together.
and for storch...he is referring to me....we went to the da...we flew about 6 sorties..he lost every one in the plane he chose...a bf109g2...all he did was merge and go vert and then hang there..he never came down to reengage...he actually ran out of fuel the first fight:rolleyes: has anyone else here ever run out of fuel in a 1v1 in the da before???? not a shot fired that first fight...just 10 minutes of me hanging 800 behind him and him finally typing..."im out of fuel" lmao!
he then proceeded to get beaten soundly the next 4-5 times because i just went straight up after him...he refused to switch planes..."i wont fly a spit"....at the end he said because 2 bops were in the area in il2s watching from 4k distance..that it distracted him....
dude..I flew YOUR plane....i had to freaking set head positions because i have never been in it and you got trounced...please please please spend the time you spend in here and on ch 200 working on your skills:lol
oh yeah..you guys who da know how often it is a great "clear the air" "make a new friend" opportunity. well he refused to tune vox...i offered him some tips after the 3rd fight and he refused...he said he didnt want any input...he never saluted once. his "personae" on this board unfortunately appears to be who he is and im sorry for it:(
i have films of almsot all of this....i think i quit filming towards the end because they werent even good training films
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Here comes the "rank means nothing comment" Storch you have yet to DA me even though I asked you many times you just go on and on about how the "horde will be there" I went to the DA after I asked you and I was the only one in there....get your glasses changed there was no one in there but me.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Laz you are comedy...lets review some facts...
Lets examine your squads scores....My wing of BoPs "falconwing" has better fiter rank...even though we spend less then 1/4 of our time "pure fitering". you have not even touched a gv or bomber...
we play all aspects of the game...you have done nothing but spend all your time in a fiter..one attack run...you kill less then 1.2 per sortie so you are obviously protecting your k/d or running out of guys to fight.
you have only spent 15 hours on this entire camp....less then an hour a day...so how well do you know the community?
so, for someone who does nothing but fiter, you may qualify as the suckage you accuse us of...
also as i have asked you before...lets go to the da...ill show you how i went way past your skill level long ago and got bored with "fitering". hitech is right..if thats all there was to this game i would have left years ago...
i apologize to the bk's for dragging all of them into this..but he paints a broad stroke and is your minister of communication or something.
Once again lazs....lets go da...you have refused in the past but isnt it exactly what you claim you want? even playing field...same plane...no interference from others? why are you petrified of proving that furballing makes one a superior fiter?? ill tell you why..because you know it has no bearing at all...that flying low alt blazing into each other takes no skill...and once you are locked up you are a sitting duck for the next low alt guy coming in to hammer you...i have watched you fight and you hang around the fringe with a wingy picking guys off...gimme a break please
prove it lazs...i got a 15 yo in the squad named viper215 who grew with us...i got $100 says he takes you out in the da....prove that he has learned nothing in 3 years with us...
and hitech sir i have held off typing this for almost a month...but enough is enough...lazs is a mediocre pilot who gets off insulting others when he doesnt put enough time into the actual game to know what he is talking about.
ill go now and add up how much time he has flown in the last 6 camps versus others he puts down...should be great fun:aok
Wooo Hoooo!! Fight, Fight!!!
If I read that correctly - the gauntlet has been thrown down......!!!
(put on Don King Hair-did)
I'll produce the event and split the profits fairly with the winner...
Tickets are even being printed as we speak...........
(http://www.dangreve.com/duel.jpg)
There's no backing out and down now!
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As John Wayne's character (Wil Anderson) said in the movie, "The Cowboys"...
"Big mouth don't make a big man."
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Originally posted by Stang
So many ruffled feathers over what one guy says to you about how you fly your virtual cartoon airplane... in a game. Get a life, lol.
Look in the mirror. Whats good for the goose.........
People get tired of the same vomit being spewed over and over again. People grow even more tired of being told thier gameplay is "Wrong". (Yes I hate that gameplay just like u fellas do)
If anyone needs a life its laz. Stop posting about how "u" feel "I" should fly my cartoon airplane. Simple enough?
After all laz starts it......
Funny part is...... I agree with u fellas and I always have. However this ..We tell everyone "how it is" then when they get upset say......"relax its only a game" bit is just beyond stupid at this point. Come up with something new will ya?
A response...... or even a heated response, gives u no ground to say "Get a life"
Dave
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Wooo Hoooo!! Fight, Fight!!!
If I read that correctly - the gauntlet has been thrown down......!!!
(put on Don King Hair-did)
I'll produce the event and split the profits fairly with the winner...
Tickets are even being printed as we speak...........
(http://www.dangreve.com/duel.jpg)
There's no backing out and down now!
:lol
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Wooo Hoooo!! Fight, Fight!!!
If I read that correctly - the gauntlet has been thrown down......!!!
(put on Don King Hair-did)
I'll produce the event and split the profits fairly with the winner...
Tickets are even being printed as we speak...........
(http://www.dangreve.com/duel.jpg)
There's no backing out and down now!
LOL!!
Is that seat dual-occupancy? (in a hetero kina way of course) LOL!! :rofl
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laz... you ever thought that you have got bored of the game because you DONT branch out and try the different aspects to it?
and as the others said, with 1hour a day gameplay.... do you really think you can speak for the whole community about gameplay "issues" YOU see?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
and for storch...he is referring to me....we went to the da...we flew about 6 sorties..he lost every one in the plane he chose...a bf109g2...all he did was merge and go vert and then hang there..he never came down to reengage...he actually ran out of fuel the first fight:rolleyes: has anyone else here ever run out of fuel in a 1v1 in the da before???? not a shot fired that first fight...just 10 minutes of me hanging 800 behind him and him finally typing..."im out of fuel" lmao!
he then proceeded to get beaten soundly the next 4-5 times because i just went straight up after him...he refused to switch planes..."i wont fly a spit"....at the end he said because 2 bops were in the area in il2s watching from 4k distance..that it distracted him....
dude..I flew YOUR plane....i had to freaking set head positions because i have never been in it and you got trounced...please please please spend the time you spend in here and on ch 200 working on your skills:lol
oh yeah..you guys who da know how often it is a great "clear the air" "make a new friend" opportunity. well he refused to tune vox...i offered him some tips after the 3rd fight and he refused...he said he didnt want any input...he never saluted once. his "personae" on this board unfortunately appears to be who he is and im sorry for it:(
i have films of almsot all of this....i think i quit filming towards the end because they werent even good training films
That's why he doesn't DA much! I asked him to DA and he pulled the old, "Youre not worth my time" routine, when in fact, he would be a waste of my time as I actually like to "fight" when I go in there! LMAO Mike, way to go on putting ole Stench.......err Storch in his lamerbnz place! He comes from the old, "My ride dictates me to be boring" AH'ers!
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Yeah... I think one hour a day gameplay is a lot more representitive of gameplay for the majority than spending every free moment on.
I beleive that most people here have lives. I believe that the average player wants to get on for an hour or two after work and have some fun... find some fights and get some kills or be killed.
I think it may be obsessive and kinda sick to have a hundred or more hours on.
Those who live in the game have a distorted view of it. They also distort the game... they think nothing of an hour long "missunz" or of spending 4 or more butt sore hours trying to capture a crapload of fields or "win the war".
As for fighting the 15 year old.... sure.. I'm easy to find... look me up any prime time... if I happen to be bish that night he can just switch sides and....
oops... he can't do that can he? you will throw him out of the borg?
Well... anyway...have him look me up... easy to find. you too falc... never seen you I don't think... you must really be in the boring areas cause I never even seen you on line.
As for posting... I got less posts in this general discussion group than most who are upset... I post in the Oclub. for years.. Yep... I been here for years.. never get bored with a good fite... the fluffers and ridged squad guys.... seen em come and go tho. They never last. You guys probly spend a lot more time reading the pablum posts of your sensitive fellows than I spend writing. I don't read many topics in the general... mostly not worth it.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
Those who live in the game have a distorted view of it. They also distort the game... they think nothing of an hour long "missunz" or of spending 4 or more butt sore hours trying to capture a crapload of fields or "win the war".
A distorted view of "the game". Well, let's see....
"The GAME" offers all that you have described. Many people partake in the many different acpects of "The GAME".
You, on the other hand, seem to only partake in one aspect of "The GAME"...furballing.
So, please explain to us how you are qualified to say was is distorted and what is not when you do not participate in all this "GAME" has to offer.
I would have to say that it is in fact YOU that have a distorted view of this "GAME".
From the Aces High help file:
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High."
From the mind of laz:
Furball.
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Originally posted by Donzo
You, on the other hand, seem to only partake in one aspect of "The GAME"...furballing.
So, please explain to us how you are qualified to say was is distorted and what is not when you do not participate in all this "GAME" has to offer.
We've all played all of the aspects of the game. Done it for years.
That's moderately stupid to assume somebody who has been in this game for years has never, ever participated in land grabbing, vulching, snore & zoom "fighting", HO shots, hording...
difference is some of us have grown out of it.
edit: I thought of more... scorewhoring, refusal to change countries, toolshedding, fighter hangar porking, strat porking...
it's not a difficult train of thought to follow here...
when you see an enemy CV do you...
a) Plan to kill it
b) Tell your country so they can kill it
c) Wait for the zekes, hogs, cats, & seafires to come swarming out for the fight.
I choose C. It makes me happy.
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well donzo... let me explain it to you. we were talking about good fights. That would be good fites in.... well... fighters in this case.
Since that was the subject then it would seem that anyone who has hundreds of butt sore hours on doing "missunz" would have a pretty distorted view of good fights.
This is simply proven out by the threads and the posts. I have about 30 hours a month on.. I get on an hour or two after work and dinner and, instead of watching TV... I spend the hour or so looking for some cartoon planes to fight.
If I wanted to be bored and organized.... I woulda just stayed at work and made some overtime. If I wanted to be in a restrictive and repressive squad... I woulda spent more time in meetings with my boss.
If I thought "missunz" were fun I wouldn't have been able to tear myself away from watching the taping mud dry on the addition to the house I am doing.
So yeah... I think the guys posting have a distorted view of what a good fite is.
And yeah... I think never being in any other country gives one a distorted view of the "community" I think that interacting with the other players for an hour a day when you are actually talking to them is a lot better than hiding in a mega squad in one little dildo shaped chesspiece for... what? years?
Hey.. I have been there in the beggining... years ago... did all the stuff yu are doing... it got real old and real time consuming. I have too many hobbies for that now... to much real life. I can see some of the teenagers doing it... hell... teenagers seem to be afraid of the outdoors these days anyhow and... If you don't work or have a house or a girlfriend or any hobbies...
You are probly a better person to talk about the fun and intricasies of the every changing and challenging "field capture".... You are welcome to start and participate in as many threads about such adrenelin packed action as you want... I won't bother you.
you don't have much of a leg to stand on in a thread about "lousy fights"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
well donzo... let me explain it to you. we were talking about good fights. That would be good fites in.... well... fighters in this case.
Since that was the subject then it would seem that anyone who has hundreds of butt sore hours on doing "missunz" would have a pretty distorted view of good fights.
This is simply proven out by the threads and the posts. I have about 30 hours a month on.. I get on an hour or two after work and dinner and, instead of watching TV... I spend the hour or so looking for some cartoon planes to fight.
If I wanted to be bored and organized.... I woulda just stayed at work and made some overtime. If I wanted to be in a restrictive and repressive squad... I woulda spent more time in meetings with my boss.
If I thought "missunz" were fun I wouldn't have been able to tear myself away from watching the taping mud dry on the addition to the house I am doing.
So yeah... I think the guys posting have a distorted view of what a good fite is.
And yeah... I think never being in any other country gives one a distorted view of the "community" I think that interacting with the other players for an hour a day when you are actually talking to them is a lot better than hiding in a mega squad in one little dildo shaped chesspiece for... what? years?
Hey.. I have been there in the beggining... years ago... did all the stuff yu are doing... it got real old and real time consuming. I have too many hobbies for that now... to much real life. I can see some of the teenagers doing it... hell... teenagers seem to be afraid of the outdoors these days anyhow and... If you don't work or have a house or a girlfriend or any hobbies...
You are probly a better person to talk about the fun and intricasies of the every changing and challenging "field capture".... You are welcome to start and participate in as many threads about such adrenelin packed action as you want... I won't bother you.
you don't have much of a leg to stand on in a thread about "lousy fights"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
LMAO....could you please stay on topic?
Yes, the title of this thread is about "fights". Your response I was responding to was about "Gameplay", not fights.
Please, for the sake of a good argument, try to keep responses limited to the topic being responded to.
You may have to enlist the help of the Reading Comprhension Officer for the BK's.
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Originally posted by Donzo
LMAO....could you please stay on topic?
Yes, the title of this thread is about "fights". Your response I was responding to was about "Gameplay", not fights.
Please, for the sake of a good argument, try to keep responses limited to the topic being responded to.
You may have to enlist the help of the Reading Comprhension Officer for the BK's.
:lol :rofl :lol
Lazs you remain a joke....you play less then most of the guys you put down..and you the decide they must have no life etc because they like to play the game more then you.
the best part is you say they "suck" when i garontee you have not even encountered 90% of them since you fly different arenas and different parts of the map...
maybe if you played the game like they did...you would want to play for more then an hour (btw an hour is generous...there are recent camps where you flew 11 hours the entire camp)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
maybe you should close your trap and put up or shut up..MAYBE you could try to post without insulting others by creating terms that suggest derision (ie.. scorepotato, borg, etc) Do you know that i get pms and email from guys talking about what a jerk you are? your own squaddies compare you to "that grumpy uncle" you just have to deal with??? Good grief...get a grip...try finding out why many of us find/found this game addictive and then try not to tell guys who love the game about how they are ruining it for you when you log on 1/2 hour to 1 hour a day.
I am sorry if i have to be your insight...but you seem to lack any ability to police yourself:(
Now again in response to YOUR post about how us in large squads are "the suckage" and "never learn anything"....when shall we meet IN THE DUELING ARENA and sort this out???? i love the way you are dodging this. Lets have you show me how your technique is better then mine grasshopper...you say it breeds top fiter aces and yet the guys who are hagning out in your "private furball" are far from anyone i worry about in an arena:O
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Originally posted by lazs2
If I wanted to be bored and organized.... I woulda just stayed at work and made some overtime. If I wanted to be in a restrictive and repressive squad... I woulda spent more time in meetings with my boss.
Well im sorry you hate your job, im sorry you hate your boss, and i guess you hate the world???
but some of us like our work and some of us like our squad...we are not all like you thankfully.
the more you post...the more you reveal of the sort of person you are...
and speaking of posts....i did some math..are you redy????
ok you have about 18, 000 posts..lets say about 5 minutes a post...sooo thats 90,000 minutes = 1500 hours.
so in 5 years you have put around 1500 hours into just posting venomous crap in here:lol to put that into perspective for you...assuming you are awake 16 hours a day..thats almost 100 days you have spent doing nothing but posting!!!! you have spent about 3+ months of the last 5 years posting....
lets try this another way...5 years = 1825 days...you spend about 50 minutes a day posting....thats longer then you spend playing th actual game!!!!!!
please please please never ever post about how anyone needs to get a life ever ever again!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
And yeah... I think never being in any other country gives one a distorted view of the "community" I think that interacting with the other players for an hour a day when you are actually talking to them is a lot better than hiding in a mega squad in one little dildo shaped chesspiece for... what? years?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
:rolleyes: But certainly, never leaving the furball or venturing beyond the company of furballers (except to tell people you've never interacted with that they suck) means you have an unbiased, undistorted, crystal clear vision of what "the community" truly is. :rolleyes:
Once again I am dazzled by your powers of logic. . .
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your own squaddies compare you to "that grumpy uncle" you just have to deal with???
Yeah ... but we still lub him.
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Sheesh, this pursefight is still going on? I figured a bra-strap would have broken by now.
Originally posted by SlapShot
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Just reminded me...I'm seeing The Stones this weekend in the park....wooot!
(hope the "rolliing" part is not the wheelchairs)
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WOW cant believe i just saw this thread.. You guys are providing plenty of amusement for Lasz by now Im sure. I never thought Id see the day when a furballer was bashed by the "community" :rolleyes: Of course he deserves to get bashed for just being himself, but thats our job :D
As for the rest of the thread, lets not mix apples and oranges..there is a huge skill level gap. The mega squads are partially to blame because success is imminent with that many numbers, (no offense to mega squad dudes) Ive played a long time, ive flown a zillion solo sortys and it has never been easier than it is now to completely pwn in the LW, err MA, err..
I dont DA too much anymore but ask me anytime, i would love to see if you guys have gotten as good as you say. No pressure on you..
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
and for storch...he is referring to me....we went to the da...we flew about 6 sorties..he lost every one in the plane he chose...a bf109g2...all he did was merge and go vert and then hang there..he never came down to reengage...he actually ran out of fuel the first fight:rolleyes: has anyone else here ever run out of fuel in a 1v1 in the da before???? not a shot fired that first fight...just 10 minutes of me hanging 800 behind him and him finally typing..."im out of fuel" lmao!
he then proceeded to get beaten soundly the next 4-5 times because i just went straight up after him...he refused to switch planes..."i wont fly a spit"....at the end he said because 2 bops were in the area in il2s watching from 4k distance..that it distracted him....
dude..I flew YOUR plane....i had to freaking set head positions because i have never been in it and you got trounced...please please please spend the time you spend in here and on ch 200 working on your skills:lol
oh yeah..you guys who da know how often it is a great "clear the air" "make a new friend" opportunity. well he refused to tune vox...i offered him some tips after the 3rd fight and he refused...he said he didnt want any input...he never saluted once. his "personae" on this board unfortunately appears to be who he is and im sorry for it:(
i have films of almsot all of this....i think i quit filming towards the end because they werent even good training films
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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falcon... I don't know what your handle is so can't dig up your stats but for both donzo and viper you will find that they neither of them....
fly fighter for more than about 10-15 hours a month..... we were of course talking about fighters so... this is pertenant. they may fly 50-100 hours but it isn't as a fighter.
the thread was about fights.... if you want to change the subject I will be glad to oblige.
you really don't want to hear what the PM's and such I get about you and your squad... I do go from country to country to improve gameplay... I get to actualy converse with the guys that you never get to know as more than little red dots (just before they blow you out of the sky). believe me... the negaive comments are not lacking. I have no doubt that anyone who would be interested in PM'ing you would be critical of me. I can't imagine the type of person who would find you interesting.... much less 90 of em. Not adults anyway.
work? boss? I feel lucky in that respect but... I can allways think of at least a dozen things that I would rather do than be at work or hang out at meetings. I think that I am probly a little more representive in this attitude than yours here too.
Posts.... mostly all Oclub.. people here are like you for the most part... very sensitive.. I don't post here much... more lately than total of the last year or two. I don't take 5 minutes to post... often less than 15 sec's.
I also don't read all the threads... maybe two or three and... I skim them.. you probly spend more time here than I do. I spend and hour +with coffee in the morening (helps me get the day started) and... and hour at lunch. no big deal.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
falcon... I don't know what your handle is so can't dig up your stats but for both donzo and viper you will find that they neither of them....
fly fighter for more than about 10-15 hours a month..... we were of course talking about fighters so... this is pertenant. they may fly 50-100 hours but it isn't as a fighter.
the thread was about fights.... if you want to change the subject I will be glad to oblige.
you really don't want to hear what the PM's and such I get about you and your squad... I do go from country to country to improve gameplay... I get to actualy converse with the guys that you never get to know as more than little red dots (just before they blow you out of the sky). believe me... the negaive comments are not lacking. I have no doubt that anyone who would be interested in PM'ing you would be critical of me. I can't imagine the type of person who would find you interesting.... much less 90 of em. Not adults anyway.
I play all parts of the game I just keep it in attack I dont go for 1000 fighter kills or anything like that and I am not playing because I did something to my arm and im in a sling and in traction till sometime mid december.
Oh yea and I dont have 15 hrs in fighter mode cause I have something called a LIFE I dont post 18000 posts on the BBS for a game and I dont fly non stop 24/7 cause I get an education so I can move out of moms house F Y I
work? boss? I feel lucky in that respect but... I can allways think of at least a dozen things that I would rather do than be at work or hang out at meetings. I think that I am probly a little more representive in this attitude than yours here too.
Posts.... mostly all Oclub.. people here are like you for the most part... very sensitive.. I don't post here much... more lately than total of the last year or two. I don't take 5 minutes to post... often less than 15 sec's.
I also don't read all the threads... maybe two or three and... I skim them.. you probly spend more time here than I do. I spend and hour +with coffee in the morening (helps me get the day started) and... and hour at lunch. no big deal.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by viper215
Here comes the "rank means nothing comment" Storch you have yet to DA me even though I asked you many times you just go on and on about how the "horde will be there" I went to the DA after I asked you and I was the only one in there....get your glasses changed there was no one in there but me.
You're better off fighting an offline drone. For all his bluster and spittle, Storch absolutely and completely sucks at this game. Should dig up the films I made a few months ago when he challenged me. Kept on calling me "tricky" and "devious" after he got his arse shot down. Then he started with the "alt monkey" crap even though it was a co-alt due. Funny thing is that I think the P-38 was used for only one of our duels the rest were planes I never fly or have flown. So if you're looking to fight Storch to polish the skills, look elsewhere.
ack-ack
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lol ok ack ack:lol If I were to DA him he could fly what ever the hell he wants cause all I fly is 38s too....I would still school him no mater what plane im in judgeing what everyone says about him.
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Timmy was such a good boy before he started hanging out with those dastardly BoP fellows.
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LOL Falc, nice. You wouldn't have happened to film the duel with Storchita, did ya?
:aok
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Originally posted by jaxxo
WOW cant believe i just saw this thread.. You guys are providing plenty of amusement for Lasz by now Im sure. I never thought Id see the day when a furballer was bashed by the "community" :rolleyes: Of course he deserves to get bashed for just being himself, but thats our job :D
no one is bashing furballers, its infact the cheif furballer, and the only one that knows how to have fun thats bashing the "community" for not playing his game.
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Originally posted by lazs2
falcon... I don't know what your handle is so can't dig up your stats but for both donzo and viper you will find that they neither of them....
"Lets examine your squads scores....My wing of BoPs "falconwing" has better fiter rank...even though we spend less then 1/4 of our time "pure fitering". you have not even touched a gv or bomber..."
fly fighter for more than about 10-15 hours a month..... we were of course talking about fighters so... this is pertenant. they may fly 50-100 hours but it isn't as a fighter.
the thread was about fights.... if you want to change the subject I will be glad to oblige.
you changed it when u started refering to 'borg whordes and mega squads' it was no longer about your lousy fight in the MW it is now about the lack of skill in the average game player
you really don't want to hear what the PM's and such I get about you and your squad... I do go from country to country to improve gameplay...
heresy anyone could hear any number of things. also inconsistent with your postings. your gripe was about a lousy fight. ask a seasoned bish, i'm sure anyone of them has seen from time to time someone praising what the BOPs do for the game
I get to actualy converse with the guys that you never get to know as more than little red dots (just before they blow you out of the sky). but doesnt this statement hold true for u as well? how many of the BOPs do u converse with? believe me... the negaive comments are not lacking. I have no doubt that anyone who would be interested in PM'ing you would be critical of me. I can't imagine the type of person who would find you interesting.... much less 90 of em. Not adults anyway.
work? boss? I feel lucky in that respect but... I can allways think of at least a dozen things that I would rather do than be at work or hang out at meetings. I think that I am probly a little more representive in this attitude than yours here too.
Posts.... mostly all Oclub.. people here are like you for the most part... very sensitive.. I don't post here much... more lately than total of the last year or two. I don't take 5 minutes to post... often less than 15 sec's. again with the O' club reference. who is sensitve here? there haven't been any hollow threats on this thread as far as i can perceive, so why refer to your 'no punches pulled' o' club? almost seems to me like the o'club BBS is more of a fringe BBS, but if u are there more often than GD then that would be in keeping with your persona and play style
I also don't read all the threads... maybe two or three and... I skim them.. you probly spend more time here than I do. I spend and hour +with coffee in the morening (helps me get the day started) and... and hour at lunch. no big deal.
2 hours a day is still way more time you spend flying but yet you feel that your more in touch with the 'nerve' of AH2?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You're better off fighting an offline drone. For all his bluster and spittle, Storch absolutely and completely sucks at this game. Should dig up the films I made a few months ago when he challenged me. Kept on calling me "tricky" and "devious" after he got his arse shot down. Then he started with the "alt monkey" crap even though it was a co-alt due. Funny thing is that I think the P-38 was used for only one of our duels the rest were planes I never fly or have flown. So if you're looking to fight Storch to polish the skills, look elsewhere.
ack-ack
I think akup hit this one on the head!
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jhookt... your stats show that you have about a .06/1 K/D and are lucky to kill 5 planes an hour in fighters. I don't really need a lecture on good fites from you.
Maybe you have good guys in your squads... with 90 or so I would hope that a few at least would be suckered in... Fact is tho.. the ones telling me I don't know what a fight is are the ones who... like you... obviously are not into air combat.
and... you claim "seasoned bish" like and respect the whorde? I have flown for all countries... I have heard people be disgusted with the whorde milkrunning and ruining fites in all countries. The remark was in response to falcs remarks about how he gets PM's from people who complain about how mean I am... people crying on his broad shoulders....
I only care about air combat in the game. I don't care about rank... no one in our squad does. I can't think of any real vet who does. Caring about rank makes for bad gameplay. It has been a long time since I thought fluffing and GV's were fun.
A big furball down low is about the most fun you can have in this game after you have done it a while. It is something that you can do and have enough fun in an hour to let off steam.
If it is a real good one you won't have time to blink much less grab a sip of water. If you live or kill 3-8 planes while flying a mediocre plane you feel you have won more than any field or reset.
You want to contrast that to hours on end of butt sore virtual chat room with the exact same people every day.... afraid to even go into one of the other chesspeices to meet the other 2/3 of the "community"??
no wonder you guys start out with a hundred hours or more a month and then just fade away in a year or so.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
jhookt... your stats show that you have about a .06/1 K/D and are lucky to kill 5 planes an hour in fighters. I don't really need a lecture on good fites from you.
I only care about air combat in the game. I don't care about rank... no one in our squad does. I can't think of any real vet who does. Caring about rank makes for bad gameplay. It has been a long time since I thought fluffing and GV's were fun.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Oh but you DO care about Kill-Death Ratios from the many references to them that I've observed in this thread of yours. Oh but isn't that calculated along with the SCORES? We seem to be the ones who don't give a rats buttocks about scores or ratios. Just why should I care if I'm the best or the worst cartoon fighter pilot in the game? What are these cartoon skills gonna do for me anyways? You "purist" are the ones that have lost perspective in the fact that this is a game and the most important thing for me and the other apparent "hobbiest" is having fun.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
no wonder you guys start out with a hundred hours or more a month and then just fade away in a year or so.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Woot!! lazs..again you are comedy!!!!:lol :lol
do you even think before you type??
ok lets talk about squads fading away...
your squad has 29 members...only 11 have flown this camp...only 5 have flown over 100 sorties.
my wing alone has 14 members....13 have flown this camp....so we are at 93% playing and you are at 37%!!!!!!!!
in my squadron we have 7 guys in the top 100 pilots...you have none....we are at 10% (not bad) and you are at 0%!!!!
keep whipping out those statistics....you just continue to prove how ppoor your judgement and insight is into who and what this game is! yep those megasquads who dont know anyone sure seem to like the game and have a bunch of fun!!! im sorry the majority of your teammates dont seem to have enuf fun to even log on:lol :lol :rolleyes:
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Must.....ruin....fun...:t :t :t
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
in my squadron we have 7 guys in the top 100 pilots...you have none....we are at 10% (not bad) and you are at 0%!!!!
Since score means so much, read back on this same page, and realise Jaxxo challenged any of you to the DA. He's only ranked 574, so that should give you what... like 30 guys that can easily smoke him 1 on 1?
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I am ranked 5,000,000 and will DA anyone also. Yes!! I've finally reached intardnet tough guy status! Party at Indy's!!!
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Originally posted by indy007
Since score means so much, read back on this same page, and realise Jaxxo challenged any of you to the DA. He's only ranked 574, so that should give you what... like 30 guys that can easily smoke him 1 on 1?
im pretty sure i have da'd jaxxo before =)
but im always up for another!!
was in there witht him last night and when i came back afk he had logged..mebbe tonite!!
grab me jaxxo...you too indy!!:aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
A big furball down low is about the most fun you can have in this game after you have done it a while. It is something that you can do and have enough fun in an hour to let off steam.
to YOU it is.. but id get rather BORED flying low and slow in a furball getting cherried... or ganged all the time. my idea of a good fight is 1on1 or at least equal numbers, most "furballs" are people having a good fight, and a few stealing kills or ruining other peoples fights, so i avoid furbals.
If it was so much fun why do you only do it one hour a day?
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Lazs just shut up your fighting a loseing battle of rank.
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Viper, Falc said no posting until your homework is done.
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bwahahahaha!:lol
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Originally posted by Stang
Viper, Falc said no posting until your homework is done.
:furious
I had no school today in your face:p
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Originally posted by lazs2
Yeah... I think one hour a day gameplay is a lot more representitive of gameplay for the majority than spending every free moment on.
I beleive that most people here have lives.
You know, Lazs is right.
However..second thoughts... 17993 post at 1 min each is 300 hrs. Then add in the reading of all the posts and his stat researching of players and that could easily double.
Dang Falc beat me to it. lol
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
im pretty sure i have da'd jaxxo before =)
but im always up for another!!
was in there witht him last night and when i came back afk he had logged..mebbe tonite!!
grab me jaxxo...you too indy!!:aok
I'll try on Friday if I can. Tonight is one of my Warcraft raid nights, plus a wedding saturday, wings over houston airshow sunday.
I don't get to play enough :(
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bet you guys read more posts than I do. I didn't come into this forum but for a few times untill recently. Not for years anyway..
I have what? solar says 300 hours posting... sounds right.. How many years have I been playing and posting and... with the same old handle for at least 10 years? How many years playing does the average BK have compared to the average mega squad. How many in the mega squads even have been here long enough for their voice to change?
My contention was that there is no staying power to the way the borgs fly. it is boring and they end of leaving having never made much of an impression despite trying their hardest to grief the game. new griefers replace em.
Not that many BK's fly at once... if there are four of us I feel like we are cheating. I can't imagine how having 30 of us on would be. Same for some other squads like grimm. To have that many and allways stay in one squad and require you stay one country and have a mandatory squad nite... Sheesh... it would be boring as hell... we would get worse and.... we would have "rank"
I would suggest that some of you fuzz faced girl voiced mega squad guys get out and see the world. your heros are conning you. It could be better. Other people exist in the game..
overlag... I like a good furball that is pretty even numbers too... what is your point? I like the action. In an hour or so a good low alt furball with lots of numbers is the way to go.
I still contend that most people who subscribe (at least after they have been on a year or more) do it as I do.. that is, about an hour a day average over the month... some nites 2 or three hours or a couple hours at a time on weekends... Not 100 or more in a formation of little old ladies chatting and pretending to be on a "missunz" and then...
LOL... in a game full of real people in cartoon planes... these chat room denizens... avoid all the "other" players and attack..... toolsheds! They have as a goal.... to take a field? A field that may go back and forth in a week 5 times and in a game where the war is seldom "won" and even if it is... it is simply reset..
What kind of a mindset doesn't see the futility? the only thing I can think is that it is the chat room they are on for.
As for rank... I will add that furball is ranked like 500 or something... do you really think that any bop could win even 1 in ten fights with him?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Overlag
to YOU it is.. but id get rather BORED flying low and slow in a furball getting cherried... or ganged all the time. my idea of a good fight is 1on1 or at least equal numbers, most "furballs" are people having a good fight, and a few stealing kills or ruining other peoples fights, so i avoid furbals.
If it was so much fun why do you only do it one hour a day?
im not lazs, but i play in a very similar way, and so, this is what i think:
playing one or two hours a day is usually the maximum amount of time i can play each night, maybe an hour of that might be in the MA's and perhaps another hour in the TA helping guys learn how to fight properly. the guys that play 6 hours a day or so, i expect, must be jobless, where do they find the time?!
as for furballs, there is nothing i enjoy more in AH than diving into a furball, with stupid odds, in a crap plane...
am i going to die? hell yes, but im going to have great fun doing it. if you're dying too easily in a furball, it's because your situational awareness needs work, and perhaps some brushing up on your reversals. i'd be happy to show you some stuff if you want to meet in the TA sometime, open offer to anyone in AH, i love teaching...
the only reason that i can think people here hate dying, is because they care about their rank and all that crud. personally, if someone kills me in a furball before i go bingo fuel or ammo and have to RTB, they save me a boring return trip to my field.
it's all about what you like doing of course, but people really do get to worked up about dying, about their k/d ratio and all that nonsense.
take a look through the score pages of all the real 'aces' that you can think of, most of them have crappy k/d ratios, usually in the region of 2.5 or less, but you know that they could take on pretty much anyone, or even a group of anyones, and come out on top, without a scratch.
rank means nothing, so dont worry about it!
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Biggles..the difference between you and lazs is that you dont come here and tell everyone else how much they suck because they dont play your way....
instead you even offer to help folks to improve:aok
as for furballing...noone has ever suggested there is anything wrong with it...in fact if wasnt labelled a toolshedder borg etc i would have considered myself a fiter first and others second...i dont even know how to bomb:D
and when lazs loooks only at "time in fiter mode" as a measure of how much someone fiters then it again reveals how utterly out of touch he is with the game and gameplay...almost all my sorties and others in "attack mode" are in fiters...many folks dont switch back and forth and whatever mode the fiter they select happens to be in is how their sortie is scored by the game. not too many non-fiters can be flown in attack mode. i personally use fiter mode when i fly alone and try to stay alive. i use attack for "furballing" and dfending. my low k/d in attack is beacuse almost half my deaths are me trying to up a capped field or flying into horrible numbers.
lazs cant see how he is a bigger griefer then anyone he has ever called a griefer....and when an 18000 post poster calls someone with 200 posts a "chatrooom denizen" then i must again press the worn "Lazs is full of BS button" and rub his nose in the mess he continues to make in the house.
there are 2 different reasons/ways to play this game...instant fun and longer term strategic fun....throw in community friendships and voila you have a great game we can all thank hitech for:aok
if i want instant killing then i play xbox or log onto a tribes server and load up a hevy and start mortaring away. but i dont tell guys who play the game as team that they suck and can never be good because they dont treat it like a 1v1 arcade. instead i respect that that is not my interest and find an area that allows me my fun. i dont scream at them to break up their teams so i can kill the way i want to. i recognize that without those longer term committed players..there would be no arena with numbers for me to log into since i am not willing to commit the time it takes to maintain that community.
so, in short, yes i think BoPS and other squads and other solo guys who play tons of hours a campaign ARE the real community of AH!!! if all of us non-l33t left the game, it would have died off long ago and not be there for the 3 hour a week guys to relax in. How about just saying "thanks" "hi how ya doing" or "". or if that is too much to ask..how about just saying nothing....:cool:
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
the only reason that i can think people here hate dying, is because they care about their rank and all that crud. personally, if someone kills me in a furball before i go bingo fuel or ammo and have to RTB, they save me a boring return trip to my field.
--snip--
take a look through the score pages of all the real 'aces' that you can think of, most of them have crappy k/d ratios, usually in the region of 2.5 or less, but you know that they could take on pretty much anyone, or even a group of anyones, and come out on top, without a scratch.
rank means nothing, so dont worry about it!
biggles....again dont be closeminded as to how some will apporach a game called "a ww2 flight sim." im sure there are a lot of dead reallife pilots who could outturn anyone in flight school and died getting picked in a bad SA furball. Im pretty sure none of the top aces of the war did any such thing...in fact low speed low alt enagements were the exception not the rule in ww2...
Boom-N-Zoom tactics including ho's were much more common and numbers definitely often dictated how an engagement would turn out...as well as of couurse the type of planes each side hads in the engagment (believe it or not they both wouldnt fly spit1's :p ) guees what made yeager and anderson great pilots??? if you believe anderson in his book it was their superior eyesight which allowed them to spot enemy planes in advance and get position.
so if someone chooses to empahsize k/d as a measure of their abilities then why be negative? i understand it is not your idea of fun...but that IS the absolute beauty of this game...there aso many wonderful ways you can choose to fly and fight or not:aok why not just talk about how great yours is without criticizing others?
and to answer your other musing....i believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball". if for no other reason..time spent playing daily in the game...i have better fiter skills because i dogfight more and kill more then many of the l33t. i also have to do "useless" things like merge, bleed e, throttle control, high speed snapshots and use higher speed flaps (also since im not always on the deck i even have another dimension to maneuver in "DOWN")... so the DA is intimidating to them because you cant just master the low speed turn and knifefighting and beat someone.
so "no" rank does not mean anything but it also doesnt mean nothing:aok
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I know biggles gets it... I have fought him. He has fought most of the guys who do like the action.
I also agree that you would need a bunch of hero worshiping kids or unemployed to get people to play by the mega squad rules... I think you do them a disservice.
I admire biggles for offering to train... I would but I simply am a lousy teacher... Once someone in the "community" came by the house and wanted to watch me fly in Ah.. I had told him that I didn't use much rudder. he said that I was constantly working the rudders... How am I gonna teach?
I will say this tho... since the change at least 6 and probly 12 guys have asked to "join" my plane. I allways accept. If that is offering to help then I am helping. I also will bet that they wouldn't agree with flac that "lazs is full of bs" about what and how I say I am fighting.
I am not a good teacher tho... no illusions about that. If a guy is a rank nebie I might be able to help a little but I fear that I would just confuse him... better he just films fights and rides along... that sort of thing.
No matter how you cut it.... you are gaming the game if you have a mega squad... the rules were 32.. there must have been a reason for that... if you game it you are a griefer and don't deserve any respect for how you play. It is no different than any of the other rules that can be gotten around and...
If you have a squad that is ridged with rules and punishments and full of newbies....
You aren't helping the "community" a bit... you are creating a slum.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Somehow I don't think his saying your full of BS has anything to do with how you fly :lol
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^^^
ding ding ding....we have winner!!!!!:aok
again lazs...please explain for us peeps how the DA does not satisfy what you say you want form the game (i.e. no toolshedders, no win the war...etc)
enquiring minds want to know!!!! (or maybe they just want to out you
:D )
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
biggles....again dont be closeminded as to how some will apporach a game called "a ww2 flight sim." im sure there are a lot of dead reallife pilots who could outturn anyone in flight school and died getting picked in a bad SA furball. Im pretty sure none of the top aces of the war did any such thing...in fact low speed low alt enagements were the exception not the rule in ww2...
Boom-N-Zoom tactics including ho's were much more common and numbers definitely often dictated how an engagement would turn out...as well as of couurse the type of planes each side hads in the engagment (believe it or not they both wouldnt fly spit1's :p ) guees what made yeager and anderson great pilots??? if you believe anderson in his book it was their superior eyesight which allowed them to spot enemy planes in advance and get position.
so if someone chooses to empahsize k/d as a measure of their abilities then why be negative? i understand it is not your idea of fun...but that IS the absolute beauty of this game...there aso many wonderful ways you can choose to fly and fight or not:aok why not just talk about how great yours is without criticizing others?
and to answer your other musing....i believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball". if for no other reason..time spent playing daily in the game...i have better fiter skills because i dogfight more and kill more then many of the l33t. i also have to do "useless" things like merge, bleed e, throttle control, high speed snapshots and use higher speed flaps (also since im not always on the deck i even have another dimension to maneuver in "DOWN")... so the DA is intimidating to them because you cant just master the low speed turn and knifefighting and beat someone.
so "no" rank does not mean anything but it also doesnt mean nothing:aok
im not close minded, i let peeps do what they will, just adding my 2 cents, sorry if i came across as whining or too harsh, was trying to add an opinion :)
thing is, this is a game. i do BnZ and stuff sometimes, but if i die a lot, who cares? it IS a game afterall...
and to answer your answer to my musing:
i have beaten dano and bruv millions of times (i actually kinda gave bruv a tour of AH on his first few days, flew with him a bit and whatnot, and i taught kazaa how to fight in the TA), and i remember handing you your arse in the DA three times in a row, under a different name of course (yes, it's poo ;)). i beat all the ranked guys regularly. infact, i had a fighter rank of 15 or 12 or something two tours ago, (yes i'm a dweeb, i checked my score!:D ) doesnt mean that i dont get killed all the time because im a lazy muppet, not watching, or getting sloppy :)
anyways, im not even sure what im talking about anymore rofl.
wasnt attacking you guys or anything, just adding my opinions :)
oh, and lazs, my squad has two wings because we cant fit us all in. it's not the numbers of the squads, but their huge manditory squad nights that mess up the arenas ;)
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ahhh
poo
and yes you did whack me :(
but i would love a rematch!!!
my point remains bro..no one is cheating (tho according to lazs definition of a gamer you are now a gamer for being part of a squad withmore then 32 members:lol ) if you want more of a certain type of gameplay..find like minded individuals and organize it!!! he wont..but instead thinks that by making everyone else quit or conform that THAT is somehow leadership.
look forward to seeing you in the air more:aok
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believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball"
I have run into all of them ... good fighters ... but nothing special going on there.
And to re-iterate what you said ... "so "no" rank does not mean anything ..."
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
my point remains bro..no one is cheating (tho according to lazs definition of a gamer you are now a gamer for being part of a squad withmore then 32 members:lol ) if you want more of a certain type of gameplay..find like minded individuals and organize it!!! he wont..but instead thinks that by making everyone else quit or conform that THAT is somehow leadership.
Actually I don't think you've answered the question as to why you would organize something with the intention of violating the games rules.
If the entire arena format was changed because of that type of behavior... then how is it a good thing to have a mega-squad?
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hmmm...not sure i see what the bigger point is here indy?
if the a group of peeps like hanging out with each other then who cares whether they have similar squadron id's or not? the effect is the same?
and please show me the "rule" that says you cant hang out with more then 32 peeps? i mean a written rule...something that about 15 squads have "violated" please? im pretty sure if you violate a rule you get kicked out of the game?
now what i think you and laz are referring too is that for programming or other reasons (perhaps ww2 historical numbers) the number 32 has been chosen for number on a roster. i will reread my AH manual to see where we are in violation. many more then 50+ can be on a vox channel, text channel so there is no limitation imposed on how many can work together?
again i think this is just another weak attempt to try and find something wrong with someone else's fun...try sticking with bigger topics if you can find any strength to the arguments. i have enjoyed wrecking lazs "skill level" "gameplay" "fun" arguments..i guess you guys are stuck with this and attacking specific squad "rules" as your last resort..
i note a bomber "formation" is limited to 3 planes...when 20+ plane buff misssions launch and form portective boxes are they "gaming" the game?
:cool:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball"
I have run into all of them ... good fighters ... but nothing special going on there.
And to re-iterate what you said ... "so "no" rank does not mean anything ..."
agreed slapshot....rank means little but similarly to denigrate people who have a good rank is silly as well...i have never insulted someone because of rank good or bad.
again i say...try , "heya how ya doing" or
would be a nicer way to go about playing a game..no?:aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
hmmm...not sure i see what the bigger point is here indy?
Wow you really are lost.
Through your superior leadership methods of recruiting newbies, you've inflated your numbers to 90+. You're not the first to do it, probably won't be the last either. Wasn't the LCA some big whatever a few months back?
However, that number 32 has been in place for a very long time. Knowing that, it's a simple variable. It could have been changed and there'd be no purpose in even pointing it out.
It was not changed, at all. The arenas were broken apart to discourage that type of organization because of its effect in forming hordes. This is not Warcraft, and 120 people don't have to be guilded to staff 3 nights a week of 40man raid content. Hell you can take a defended base with 5 guys if you know what you're doing.
So, the question still remains, why cling so tenaciously to a 90man roster and strict rules about country and squad nights, when the arena format was changed to dissuade such behavior?
Your answer will be "friends". However, I shoot my friends, regularly, and they shoot me. We're still friends. I'm friends with people I've never even flown with in the game. So, that answer doesn't particularly float my boat because it's inherrently dishonest in the assumption that if they don't fly with you, they're not your friend.
Got a better answer?
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im sorry you seem to have no concept of who/what we are..
to call the majprity of BoPs newbies is amateurish and means you havent bothered to pull us up and look at our roster....easily the avergae time in the game of the average BoP is 3 yrs. our most recent guys who have joined include dstyve, mctoast, patriots and innomin8...all vets
flyy, ptbops, awdoc, airjer, kite777, to name a few go back almost 8 years to AWC.
you griefers seem to think that newbies like to take bases...hehe they dont...they want to up and fly...plus we are large enuf we dont post missions much..we organize in a tower and up ourselves.
here is my secret...we have been around nonstop since 1996...and we are good and fun...
if you played one game (or version) nonstop for 10 years...went to cons with guys....host a website...run missions.....then you think it is hard to imagine 90 guys would want to stick around with you? thats about 8-9 guys a year...not too hard to do.
now..do we recruit? no
guys wing with us and over time ask to join or are asked...many have been not given invites and a few have been asked to leave. we dont like griefers and guys that are always unhappy...wont keep them around...kill the vibe...
and for the new arenas killing large squads..it might for some who have grown up fairly quickly...and im sorry for that...you need guys who want to be with each other to stick it out when options open up.
as for BoPs...we have grown under the new arena system...more players have approached us about joining and many guys live on our channel whilke they are on because their smaller squads have fallen apart....only thing the new arena system does is limit guys who arrive late for squad night......so yo have to remember to log on an hour early and sit in the tower (annoying but not fatal)
the BoPs have survived AWC, AW1, AW2 and AW3 ending..each time we had to up and move..upgrade equipment...even take collections to help other guys out....we have paid some guys subscriptions when they were out of luck.....we have stuck together and gotten better each year....i really dont think a few new arenas will be our demise:cool:
and it definitely wont be you griefers :aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you played one game (or version) nonstop for 10 years...went to cons with guys....host a website...run missions.....then you think it is hard to imagine 90 guys would want to stick around with you? thats about 8-9 guys a year...not too hard to do.
I have, more than one game also. Even gone Pro in Counter-Strike for awhile. Whether those guys are with me or against me, it's never mattered. I'd go as far to say it's more fun to kill them, be it with a chainsaw in doom, swords & sticks in rpg's, AWPs in CS, A6m's here, racing 911 GT-Rs in Project Gotham... My WoW guild.. well, it's warcraft currently, has been around a decade. We have 2 annual get togethers a year (Vegas, Amsterdam, Cruises, etc), and more infrastructure than you can shake a stick at... website, vent server, irc channel, photo albums, page after page of economic policies for MMO games, extremely strict recruiting standards. We're communist with a benevolent dictator. Everything is for the greater good. There's over 120 of us.
Maybe I just come from a different breed where we don't hold hands & sing kumbuya because we've known each other awhile. Hell, if you know somebody, that's an even better reason to hunt them down, kill them, and then light heartedly taunt them. For my birthday they put a bounty on me and I got to spend 4 hours dodging 39 other guys.
Different strokes for different folks.
But at least no game has been changed because of my guild/squads effect on it :)
edit: I haven't vulched in months and refuse 95% of front quarter shots. I intentionally limit the available playing options to me to make it more fun for myself and those I'm flying against. Save your griefer bit for the guys that pork FH's & runway bash.
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But at least no game has been changed because of my guild/squads effect on it
meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????
ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!! :rofl
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Originally posted by Hammy
meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????
ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!! :rofl
LOL!
:t ZOMG!!!!1!!!, teh BoPs r teh evil game changers!!!!!! :t
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Originally posted by Hammy
meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????
ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!! :rofl
This is going to fracture the community.
We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.
Why are you doing this now?
There’s a convergence of factors such as current arena health, player mass, time of year and a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players. Taken together, we believe this is the best time to make this transition.
Take from it what you will. You can either call yourselfs a horde directly, or call the people that fall in behind the mass of green dots the horde. It doesn't matter either way if you're simply the catalyst or the actual horde.
Horde behavior is what led to the MA becomming a slum, and the arenas being broken apart. That seems to be a fairly accurate conclusion to draw taking into account what HTC staff has posted.
I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. The first, obviously, being people thinking score matters, and of course, second, people claiming that runway bashing is doing some great service to their side.
Lastly, if you're going to counter-point an arguement, insults are not the way to do. They make you seem childish at best, and incapable of a real discussion.
Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.
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This is going to fracture the community.
We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.
There’s a convergence of factors such as current arena health, player mass, time of year and a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players. Taken together, we believe this is the best time to make this transition.
yeah but where in all this does it say "it was down to the way the BOPS play?" I can't see it but maybe i need to go to specsavers? :noid
In a childish sort of way :aok
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Originally posted by indy007
Take from it what you will. You can either call yourselfs a horde directly, or call the people that fall in behind the mass of green dots the horde. It doesn't matter either way if you're simply the catalyst or the actual horde.
Horde behavior is what led to the MA becomming a slum, and the arenas being broken apart. That seems to be a fairly accurate conclusion to draw taking into account what HTC staff has posted.
I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. The first, obviously, being people thinking score matters, and of course, second, people claiming that runway bashing is doing some great service to their side.
Lastly, if you're going to counter-point an arguement, insults are not the way to do. They make you seem childish at best, and incapable of a real discussion.
Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.
Did you even read what Hammy said?
What does your response have to do with what he said/asked?
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Originally posted by Hammy
yeah but where in all this does it say "it was down to the way the BOPS play?" I can't see it but maybe i need to go to specsavers? :noid
In a childish sort of way :aok
:lol
Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?
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Originally posted by indy007
:lol
Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?
No.
Run along now.
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Originally posted by Donzo
No.
Run along now.
Go read the host change and wallow in self-pity. :lol
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Host change?
Ok, I read it.
So what?
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Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.
I eagerly await the arguments. :p :aok
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Originally posted by Hammy
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.
I eagerly await the arguments. :p :aok
This is gonna be good ... (http://img84.echo.cx/img84/2518/hissyfit8wr.gif) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/GawkyEndymion000/arracher-cheveux.gif)
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Originally posted by Hammy
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.
I eagerly await the arguments. :p :aok
Well, one wonders why you await these arguments, if you've already chosen to cancel your subscription.
Just a thought that I had.
- oldman
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Originally posted by indy007
I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. . .
Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.
I'm not a BoP, but I have answered a similar question (maybe even in this thread -- too lazy to go back and look).
LTARs settled on Bish because that is where they were welcomed. They tended to be made fun of by many Knights players (and I believe Rooks too) as "worthless" or some such nonsense because of their preference for the ground game. This pre-dated my joining, so I am going by hearsay and "squad memory" if there is such a thing.
Which also speaks for why some players do not want to switch countries. Believe it or not, each country does have a slightly different style / personality because of the long-timers there. It may not be apparent to the die-hard furballers, but to the base-takers, it is noticeable. (Or perhaps I should have said did have? Who knows if this is still the case after all the changes.)
But back to your question. It is all about what a squad means to you. To the BKs and others, a squad is a group that likes talking to each other on squad vox while they shoot at each other. There is really no other reason for them to be a squad. I don't know if they polk fun at each other or what, but they like doing what they do. That's all fine and good.
To the LTARs and others, the squad is about being a team. A team cooperates and supports one another. Each individual team member may have a different task, but it is oriented toward one goal. LTARs are probably more heirarchal than most squads. Someone sets the goal, we get our "orders", and we go accomplish the goal. It is the teamwork we are after -- it is part of our fun being a squad.
Switching sides, having some on one side and some on the other, is simply contrary to that view of the "cooperative squad." If the LTARs moved to another country, it would be as a squad, everyone together. Given how they were received in the past, I could understand any reluctance on their part to do so.
I don't mean to speak for the BoPs, but I would imagine their reasoning would be somewhat similar.
Hope it answers your question. :aok
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Yes E25280 that is why I am in a squad, to work with people I enjoy flying with. I don't want to be on some other side shooting at squad mates when I could be working with them....
Also people seem to miss the fact that if BOP members had a problem with the rule we would get out of the squad..
The only real thing that changes if you do go is that you don't get the squad name next to yours. So I would say it's not so much a squad loyalty thing as it is a country based loyalty, even if it is to the as LAZS so beautifly put it "DILDO SHAPED ICON" I personally have been loyal to the dildo from 7-01-03 and never felt the need to change to the spiky headed dildo or the dildo shaped like a horse.:D
Though really I think Lazs dildo description is a bit rude and crude. :)
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Originally posted by E25280
But back to your question. It is all about what a squad means to you. To the BKs and others, a squad is a group that likes talking to each other on squad vox while they shoot at each other. There is really no other reason for them to be a squad. I don't know if they polk fun at each other or what, but they like doing what they do.
Well, we may lack a CO with a Fuhrer complex, but to say there's no reason for us to be a squad is, quite frankly, idiotic.
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Ummm he said "there is no OTHER reason"...... Just thought I would clear that up.....
Ummmm other reasons? :)
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Well, one wonders why you await these arguments, if you've already chosen to cancel your subscription.
The same reason why alot of the BBS population do that "don't" play the game anymore.............:aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Well, we may lack a CO with a Fuhrer complex, but to say there's no reason for us to be a squad is, quite frankly, idiotic.
You take offense when none was intended. The only explanation I have ever found / heard about what the BK squad does is "we fight, thats what we do, we're good at it." To which is often added, "we have fun fighting each other."
A group of friends fighting with and against each other, speaking on squad vox. Sounded like an apt description based on what I know. If it is too simplistic an explanation, I'd be happy to learn more.
Regardless, I did not suggest "there's no reason" for you to be a squad, since wanting to talk to/wing with like-minded friends is reason enough.
The squad is what you make of it, as is the game itself.
Now excuse me while I go polish my boots in preparation for inspection by the Fuhrer tonight . . . :)
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so many questions from the same guys... same questions but...
I will try to answer. Why don't I or other furballers just go to the DA...
Well... why don't the bop and other mega squads who won't change countries and only know the guys they fly or 1/3 of the community... why don't they simply fly offline? the drones are as well known to them and they don't like to fight anyway.
Why don't we go to the DA... well it would take a lot of organization to get enough guys to have the kind of variety and numbers in the DA we can get in the MA... to do that with furballers would be like herding cats. it is against our nature to be that anal.. and... we are proud of the fact... that is why so many of us are laughing at you.
U believe I have fought most of your "good" players and none of em stood out to me... I know there are lots of furballers I have fought that really stand out... even months or years after fighting em a few times.
This is a chat room... the bops don't use it as such except to alternately brag or whine. what the bop's do is use the arena for a chat room.
I don't think it is I who have it backwards.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
Well... why don't the bop and other mega squads who won't change countries and only know the guys they fly or 1/3 of the community... why don't they simply fly offline? the drones are as well known to them and they don't like to fight anyway.
Fortunately you are not the one with the magic button to simply delete who you wish from the game.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Why don't we go to the DA... well it would take a lot of organization to get enough guys to have the kind of variety and numbers in the DA we can get in the MA... to do that with furballers would be like herding cats. it is against our nature to be that anal.. and... we are proud of the fact... that is why so many of us are laughing at you.
So let me get this straight....you are basically too squealing lazy to organize your furballs in the DA so you expect the game to be tailored to funnel the furballs to you in the MA?
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yes... if it will make you happy... we are too lazy to organize furballs in the DA.
To be more accurate tho... we came here thinking this was a game where we could fly cartoon planes against other players and fight. It was our idea that we would do so to relive the stress of everyday life for an hour or two.
We just assumed the the very simplistic strat and reset was something meant to justify the air combat and that few, if any... would find it challenging or even interesting except in the peripheral. as a means not an end.
We did not come here to figure out how to game the extremely simplistic strat or the squad limits or to live by ridged sets of rules and be told what to do. We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...
We don't respect that and don't respect players who put up with it.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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LAZ SAID---WE CAME HERE THINKING THIS WAS A GAME WHERE WE COULD FLY CARTOON PLANES AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS AND FIGHT.---------------------you can laz ---------------LAZ SAID---WE ASSUMED THE VERY SIMPLISTIC STRAT AND RE-SET WAS SOMETHING MEANT TO JUSTIFY THE AIR COMBAT AND FEW, IF ANY...WOULD FIND IT CHALLENGING OR EVEN INTERESTING EXCEPT IN THE PERIPHERAL.AS A MEANS NOT AN END---------well you were wrong -------LAZ SAID---WE DID NOT COME HERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GAME THE EXTREMELY SIMPLISTIC STRAT OR THE SQUAD LIMITS OR TO LIVE BY RIDGED SETS OF RULES AND BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.-------then don,t -------LAZ SAID-----WE DID NOT COME HERE TO BE CUT OFF FROM 2/3 OF THE COMMUNITY BY SOME SELF PROCLAIMED LEADER WHO THREATENS WITH EXPULSION ANY DEVIATION FROM HIS PLAN------then don,t ----------------geee that was easy---play the way you want to play and don,t fly with people you don,t want to be with-----it couldn,t possibly be that easy could it????-----but then what would you have to cry about!!!----when i grow up i wanna be just like you laz----can i go one day--just one day please,without hearing you cut somebody down----what are you 10 years old?????----------hugs and kisses---your buddy Boner (eagerly awaiting your usual intelligent reply)
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Originally posted by lazs2
We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...
You know, the more I think about this little "cut off from 2/3 of the community" or "just knowing 1/3 of the community" point you keep trying to make,
the more I wonder exactly how much of the "community" you actually interact with.
I mean, given the fact you only do the furball thing, wouldn't you exposure be limited to only the furballers?
You hang with the buffer's and gv's much? If not, wouldn't you be cutting yourself off from a large portion of the "community"?
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Originally posted by indy007
:lol
Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?
Yeah I will and am from Indy and not a wannabe... sorry couldn't resist. I'm also a naturalized Texan but back in Indy. I started AW back in early 96 and I have been a country player but I did have friends on the other sides. When I joined the bops back then in RR4 of AWETO I also played ETO2 in another squad. I mainly played ETO2 then but I spent a lot of time with the BOPS in RR4 caused I liked the teamwork there, it was a much smaller arena and I did get involved with other country folks. The main reason of the rule is to stop spying and such and it happened back 10 years ago and now is so much more rampant with the ability to bounce back and forth. That is what is wrong with changing sides and us flying together as we know we don't have spies, we fly together for a common goal (the one night a week that we do fly together). If the BOPS changed countries as a whole, I woudn't have a problem with it but I do have a problem of other squaddies changing at will. A "squad" is a "team" and if they are on the other side, they are either spying and giving us an unfair intelligence advantage or are just working against the squad. What is so hard to understand about that? You apparently don't like it but that is YOUR problem and not OUR problem. Contrary to popular belief, this is not BURGER KING, you don't always get it your way and we don't always get it our way either and that is just fine by me.
All The Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
yes... if it will make you happy... we are too lazy to organize furballs in the DA.
To be more accurate tho... we came here thinking this was a game where we could fly cartoon planes against other players and fight. It was our idea that we would do so to relive the stress of everyday life for an hour or two.
We just assumed the the very simplistic strat and reset was something meant to justify the air combat and that few, if any... would find it challenging or even interesting except in the peripheral. as a means not an end.
We did not come here to figure out how to game the extremely simplistic strat or the squad limits or to live by ridged sets of rules and be told what to do. We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...
We don't respect that and don't respect players who put up with it.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Well I guess that you've never read the propaganda on the HT website giving information on the game. What you state is contrary to the marketing information that is designed to draw in the new players. This game is NOT a first person shooter that only fights one way and will never be if it wishes to live. For the hard headed ones (like the BK PR officer), might I suggest that you investigate the home page for this game and read it or have someone read it to you about five hundred times until you understand what it states.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Yeah I will and am from Indy and not a wannabe... sorry couldn't resist. I'm also a naturalized Texan but back in Indy.
Unfortunate nickname I've been stuck with for 9 years. I've never even been to Indy. Also, it comes from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, not the state or city :) It's kinda sad, but there's a few thousand people that know me as Indy in RL from paintball, but have no clue what my real name is.
The main reason of the rule is to stop spying and such and it happened back 10 years ago and now is so much more rampant with the ability to bounce back and forth. That is what is wrong with changing sides and us flying together as we know we don't have spies, we fly together for a common goal (the one night a week that we do fly together). [/B]
That's sad you're filled with paranoia and have no trust for your own squadmates to do the right thing. You trust them to cover your 6, but seemingly expect that they would play in a questionable fashion if they're not on your side?
Not offense, like I've always said, whatever floats your boat... but frankly, that lack of trust between squadmates is pretty disturbing. I expect that type of reasoning in competition teams... but this is a game.
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Originally posted by indy007
That's sad you're filled with paranoia and have no trust for your own squadmates to do the right thing. You trust them to cover your 6, but seemingly expect that they would play in a questionable fashion if they're not on your side?
Not offense, like I've always said, whatever floats your boat... but frankly, that lack of trust between squadmates is pretty disturbing. I expect that type of reasoning in competition teams... but this is a game.
Well the paranoia is not there. My main concern is that if they changed sides and were loyal to the squad, they would relay intelligence information that would give us an unfair advantage. Sure I trust my squaddies and if I was flying in a different country and observed something that would comprimise my squads mission, I would naturally want to give them the information. That is spying in my humble opinion. We've had it done to us many many times with tag-alongs that switch to our channel and relay our position to their country with PM's. We don't do it, we don't believe in it. You have twisted my response to meet your needs and it just isn't the case.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I also don't agree with squaddies killing each other. we do that in the AvA when we have no choice but I wouldn't do it in the MAs. furthermore there are rook players which I would feel bad if shot them down because I have played alongside them for so long. besides there's all those Bops to whack in their teeming glistening slivery sided schools, no need to kill rooks.
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what's the problem doc? all you have to do is order em (under pain of expulsion) to not communicate in any way with their squadies when they are not playing for the sacred dildo icon.
When you have to order people around with a crap load of rules you end up with a bunch of crap people.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
When you have to order people around with a crap load of rules you end up with a bunch of crap people.
1) Falcnwng never imposed a "crap-load" of rules when I joined over two years ago.
2) The people that joined the BOPs are not "crap-people". Be careful of the context of your statement, as it would be crossing the line into the personal character of those in this squad. You do not (and have chosen not to) know any of us personally, therefore your statement, as it could be interpreted, is not valid.
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well... never mentioned the bops... I simply was stateing that docs (if he is a doc) worry that his people would spy on the other side or vice versa was a pretty dumb excuse given that he allready has a bunch of rules that put his players testicles firmly in his grip.
All he would have to do is threaten em with one more stupid rule. They obviously would be too timid to object or show any individuality.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... never mentioned the bops... I simply was stateing that docs (if he is a doc) worry that his people would spy on the other side or vice versa was a pretty dumb excuse given that he allready has a bunch of rules that put his players testicles firmly in his grip.
All he would have to do is threaten em with one more stupid rule. They obviously would be too timid to object or show any individuality.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Which "doc" are you referring to? spit out the hook now cause you just been caught. Falc is the real doc and I'm the Quack. the bottom line is that Falc's squad has lasted for about 10 years now and is as strong as it was long long ago in AirWarrior. Incidently, the rules were all upheld by a majority vote as it was what a bunch of friends decided that we were all comfortable with. You painting Falconwing as a "dictator" is purely delusion on your part as you paint us all as mindless sheep to continue the hord capture mentality to it's end. You just can't get it, understand it, or read the mega responses that we have a squad night for two hours one time a week and that all other times we can do as we please with the exception that we don't jump countries. You are really a pathetic person if our one little rule has bugged you so much and has been dominating your life as to spew so much. Never before in mankind has so much been spewed over such an ideal by so few. Actually your childish craving for the "way you want it to be" instead of how it should be is getting pretty boring.
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
is as strong as it was long long ago in AirWarrior.
RR?
- oldman (just curious)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
RR?
- oldman (just curious)
Think he said RR4 actually.
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doc... yep, meant that you were a quack. Never liked guys in these online simns who called themselves doc.... for some reason they never turned out to be worth knowing...
I am not upset about your rules but you have to admit that everything I say about em is true. You simply have no defense so you tell me to get off it.
It is more than a rule tho.. it is a mindset that is pretty sick in my opinion.
Now.... were you guys really a (LOL) "relaxed realism" squad in AW? please say you were... It would be perfect.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
doc... yep, meant that you were a quack. Never liked guys in these online simns who called themselves doc.... for some reason they never turned out to be worth knowing...
I am not upset about your rules but you have to admit that everything I say about em is true. You simply have no defense so you tell me to get off it.
It is more than a rule tho.. it is a mindset that is pretty sick in my opinion.
Now.... were you guys really a (LOL) "relaxed realism" squad in AW? please say you were... It would be perfect.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
lazs -you Never cease to amaze me!!!--you are truly like a car wreck i can,t turn my eyes from----do you ever re-read the sludge that you post??------absolute entertainment of the worst kind!!------enjoy yourself ----------------your pal boner
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #2, #5, #7
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LMAO - if doc has no defense....
you've got no offense....
and it's a pretty crappy ballgame you're playing..well at least trying to...
I'm still waiting on the Falconwng / Lazs DA event...the printers need to know a week in advance for the tickets.... The quintessential "put up or shut up" event of the season.
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See Rules #2, #5, #7
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Think he said RR4 actually.
Yep Guppy, but it was RR2 and 4 ETO.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
doc... yep, meant that you were a quack. Never liked guys in these online simns who called themselves doc.... for some reason they never turned out to be worth knowing...
I am not upset about your rules but you have to admit that everything I say about em is true. You simply have no defense so you tell me to get off it.
It is more than a rule tho.. it is a mindset that is pretty sick in my opinion.
Now.... were you guys really a (LOL) "relaxed realism" squad in AW? please say you were... It would be perfect.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Now you gone and done it... You hurt my feelings. ROFLOL
Well ya know that a sick mind is usually a happy mind. I'm pretty happy with my wife, my kids, my grandkids, my online friends and my life in general. I just wish you were as sick as I am.
Now if ya wanna spew about the RR arenas I know there is a large population of us ex-RR mindset folks in here. You get a real plus in that you get more targets. Have fun.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
Now.... were you guys really a (LOL) "relaxed realism" squad in AW? please say you were... It would be perfect.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
It's funny to hear the RR vs. FR cries again. I remember when some RR flyers went into FR Pac and proceeded to clean the clock out of all the FR flyers that were in there. Was really funny to see and a blast to take part. Just an example of the false sense of elitism some of the FR crowd had. I see that some still some have it.
ack-ack
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so seriously... they were "relaxed realism"?
All this talk of acting like a real squad and "real" war and all this "realistic" flying and....
RELAXED REALISM
I haven't really laughed out loud that much over general discussion posts but that one did it for me.
We used to wonder what would happen if we all had to get along with the relaxed realism crowd.... now we know... the creation of a huge slum of ridgid minded players.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
so seriously... they were "relaxed realism"?
All this talk of acting like a real squad and "real" war and all this "realistic" flying and....
RELAXED REALISM
I haven't really laughed out loud that much over general discussion posts but that one did it for me.
We used to wonder what would happen if we all had to get along with the relaxed realism crowd.... now we know... the creation of a huge slum of ridgid minded players.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
So I guess Ack-Ack's post confirms what you assume?
How fitting.
Where in his post is the confirmation that the BoPs were one or the other?
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Not to mention even if this RR thing had anything to do with it which it dosn't most of the people in the squad are pure AHers.. I've been playing AH sence 03 and most others in squad are similar, some longer some less. I had AW1.5 and still do on cd but at that time couldn't afford to play online still in High school and such, though Thndregg and I used to play against each other null modem (he kicked my arse) lol.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Where in his post is the confirmation that the BoPs were one or the other?
They weren't?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
They weren't?
- oldman
"They weren't?"
Weren't what? One or the other?
I guess logically you are correct...they were "one or the other".
I never saw anything in the post that said the BoPs were "this" or the BoPs were "that".
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's funny to hear the RR vs. FR cries again. I remember when some RR flyers went into FR Pac and proceeded to clean the clock out of all the FR flyers that were in there. Was really funny to see and a blast to take part. Just an example of the false sense of elitism some of the FR crowd had. I see that some still some have it.
ack-ack
the true nature of this greatest of all safety players. he needs lots of alt and he needs the horde. ten years of game play experience and yet still a baitfish.
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Originally posted by Donzo
"They weren't?"
Weren't what? One or the other?
I guess logically you are correct...they were "one or the other".
I never saw anything in the post that said the BoPs were "this" or the BoPs were "that".
The quite was in awdoc1's post
"When I joined the bops back then in RR4 of AWETO"
Doesn't really matter, but it was mentioned :)
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See Rules #2, #5
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See Rules #2, #4, #5
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thanks for checkin my 6 viper!!---lmfao!!
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Originally posted by 1Boner
thanks for checkin my 6 viper!!---lmfao!!
Actually, I think he was checking out your low 12.
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Originally posted by Stang
Actually, I think he was checking out your low 12.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The quite was in awdoc1's post
"When I joined the bops back then in RR4 of AWETO"
Doesn't really matter, but it was mentioned :)
That's quite true Guppy. A lot of squads started out in AW that are here and we had the RR v FR crap that we are now seeing with the Strat/full aspect v the Furballer mindset. In AirWarrior the Full Realism "purist" looked upon the "Relaxed Realism" players as a cancer and now we are seeing it in Aces High as the "Furballer" v "Strat/everything else player". They always say that history repeats itself and I guess it's true as this game was born from Airwarrior. I have to admit that I liked AW much much more.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Just to fill in some development timeline details...
Confirmed Kill came after AirWarrior
Warbirds came after Confirmed Kill
Aces High came after Warbirds
Each one was an obvious (overwhelming actually) improvement over it's predecessor. I'm wondering why you prefer the old game over the new one.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Just to fill in some development timeline details...
Confirmed Kill came after AirWarrior
Warbirds came after Confirmed Kill
Aces High came after Warbirds
Each one was an obvious (overwhelming actually) improvement over it's predecessor. I'm wondering why you prefer the old game over the new one.
It's probably best to look at it as a person's "golden age" in a flight sim. I guess I believe it's the newness of it at the time and the first real exposure to the online flight sim world.
It's not accurate to say airwarrior was a better game, but a lot of us were introduced to this world in that game. My early time in Airwarrior and the early Nomads time will always be the 'best time' as it was so new and so much fun. I can still remember individual flights from that time and it's been 10 years now.
I'm sure the guys who started out with numbers for ID's in the very early AW would consider that their 'golden time'.
Expectations change over time but looking for that fun is always there. The last few months have come close for me in the game to matching that early time, but again, I'm older and a bit more jaded then i was then :)
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Originally posted by storch
the true nature of this greatest of all safety players. he needs lots of alt and he needs the horde. ten years of game play experience and yet still a baitfish.
Describing your flying style again? We know you suck, there is no need to always remind us with each of your posts Storchita.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Edbert
Just to fill in some development timeline details...
Confirmed Kill came after AirWarrior
Warbirds came after Confirmed Kill
Aces High came after Warbirds
Each one was an obvious (overwhelming actually) improvement over it's predecessor. I'm wondering why you prefer the old game over the new one.
AW was the better game and AH is definitely the better sim. I guess it all comes down to what player's perceptions are of the communities of each. Some think (and I admit that I am one of them) that the AW community was for more cohesive than the community we find ourselves in AH. But that is just my dos centavos.
ack-ack
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It's probably best to look at it as a person's "golden age" in a flight sim. I guess I believe it's the newness of it at the time and the first real exposure to the online flight sim world.
It's not accurate to say airwarrior was a better game, but a lot of us were introduced to this world in that game. My early time in Airwarrior and the early Nomads time will always be the 'best time' as it was so new and so much fun. I can still remember individual flights from that time and it's been 10 years now.
I'm sure the guys who started out with numbers for ID's in the very early AW would consider that their 'golden time'.
Expectations change over time but looking for that fun is always there. The last few months have come close for me in the game to matching that early time, but again, I'm older and a bit more jaded then i was then.
I think, and I believe it's an objective opinion, that Air Warrior pre Gamestorm was a superior game environment. I have virtually no experience with Warbirds or CK aside from a single sortie during the beta so I can't speak of that environment.
The reason was that the map design with the central/neutrals concept channeled the action together leading to a merging of interests. Not perfect by any means, and still weak from a pure strat perspective, but more fulfilling from a "fun" action standpoint. I even dropped a few bombs back in the day. Milkrunning was limited due to the basic map structure. Hordes, as such, were automatically forced to converge. That changed with Gamestorm, where a more open “huge” map concept was put in place to make up for server/numbers limitations. As bad as the hordes and milkrunning can be here, it was terrible there. There were days where you just could not find a single entertaining fight at all, even if you flew 2 sectors or more to sneak into one.
As to “sentimental" feelings clouding impressions... I watched AW change in Real Time with real markers of change. I can actually remember, after being away from the game for the first year of gamestorm (starting immediately after the buggy BigWeek introductory mission), rejoining the new "community." On about the first sortie up in the huge new arena with huge new numbers, I followed a high P-51 for over two sectors roughly waiting for it to attack, only to have it die dive bombing an undefended base well to the rear. That was unthinkable as little as a year earlier. I was honestly shocked enough to e-mail a friend who had left AW earlier about it... "Hey Chris, you won't believe what has happened to the game..." Previously, that P-51 would have dropped ord and began the B&Z. The new, hugely populated GS arenas had changed 180 deg. in about 12 months. Sound familiar AHers :)
AW, in my experience dating back to 1993/94 had always been heavily, almost exclusively, an A2A combat sim with action facilitated by the other elements which clearly played a secondary role. You could hardly find a bombing tutorial, but there were plenty of A2A plane match up tutorials. I believe even this player named "Pyro" (as I recall -- it's been a while) authored some of those tutorials and chat sessions. I seem to remeber at least one on the P-38. And, who today would understand the phrase: "Read Shaw" or actually bother to go out and do that?
That early SVGA AW "air combat" attitude was in full force when I came here about 2001 or so. But, that later Gamestorm "horde/milkrun" attitude gradually started to take over the MA, I would say about the time of the first huge Tiffie raids in 2003 or so. Again, you could see it happeining in real time. Perhaps it was facilitated by the death of AW and the arrival of the GS crowd or it's just a natural progression if the environment allows it to happen or both.
Aces High has better physics, more accurate plane performance models, eye candy that crushes the best AW ever offered and a huge potential to move into something extraordinary on the strat front. However, we still have the limited AW strat model with the big open map model that facilitates least common denominator style of gameplay (as was seen in the Gamestorm era) -- even with the new arenas today. What's frustrating to me is that the tools are there to make AH the "perfect" WW2 air combat simulator -- A2A combat, local tactics and strategy -- far beyond what AW provided even in the SVGA years. I keep paying, upping for an hour here or there and generally enjoying my ROI at $15 a month, while waiting for it to catch back up the SVGA fun quotient and then massively surpass it in the gaming environment area.
One thing I have faith in is that both HT and Pyro are enthusiasts. They have played these games from the beginning, developed several, and not only have a business objective but I believe understand what fun can really mean in these games. Further, and I may be totally off base here, I ultimately believe their idea of fun and mine are probably not too far apart. I get the impression that, even with their limited resources (much preferable to an EA with all its resources to waste), it will all get sorted out in the end.
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so charon.... what you are saying is that if AW would have stayed alive that the guys who ruined it would have stayed there and not come here to ruin AH gameplay?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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so charon.... what you are saying is that if AW would have stayed alive that the guys who ruined it would have stayed there and not come here to ruin AH gameplay?
Not necessiarily. The AH environment, especially once the move was made to the big maps, is virtually identical. Similarly, the influx of new players, the "huge" community aspect involved more than just EA (Gamestorm) refugees. I really couldn't say either way, but the elements were in place for it to happen on its own in parallel but perhaps speeded up by the AW refugees.
I was a refugee myself, but I willingly left AW (after 7 years of loyalty) months before the announcement of the shutdown strictly for the gameplay reasons I described above (and that have grown here). Although I cried and whined about the drag gameplay had become on the EA boards (as Oldman might remember) I did leave silently without one of those "goodbye cruel world" posts though :) There were other significant issues as well, like B-17s that could dogfight with Zeros due to modeling quirks.
It seems to me that even after EA killed AW, it was some time before the Horde/Milkrun style fully took hold in AH, and it never reached the extremes you found there. I would perhaps "credit" the AH advertising campaign combined with the same basic game/war environment that facilitates this style gameplay and dilution of community peer pressure more on its own, combined with some influence of former Gamestorm/EA players. Just my worthless $.02 of opinion.
Charon
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When taking all the bases became possible in AW is when that change Charon talks about started to take place. I do remember conversations starting about whether you could take all the bases in one country and effectively take them out of the war.
With the limited base capture and strat stuff in the earlier AW, there never was a thought about 'winning the war'. If you were feeling goofy, you'd load up and hit the furthest field you could find just to stir things up. I remember the Nomads taking that gawd awful AW Jug deep and the ruckus we caused.
And again, with the smaller arena cap, you knew most everyone so things were done more for the giggles then to try and provoke anyone. You knew the score potatos were vulching each other in the VoD (Valley of Dweebs), but for the most part there were fights going much more consistantly with the occasional loss of the Spits when the 17s got the Spit factory down.
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The way I see it, both of you are pretty much agreeing with lazs then. At least in substance, certainly not in style.
FWIW I think much of the entire situation you describe is reflected in the subject introduced here in "lousy fights". But I also beleive that over time the gamesmanship skills of "teh 1337 g4m3r5" will overcome the constraints within the game structure, pointing right back at my thoughts that this behavior is evolutionary, so I hope that it will be outgrown. Unfortunately rapid increase in the player-base can sometimes exceed evolution's ability to advance the player-base.
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I also wonder if it's not just a different type of player. Back in the day there seemed to be a WW2 aviation history enthusiast base. The first thing I ever saved for as a child was Edward Jablonski’s book “Flying Fortress” (about 4th grade or so). The second was Jablonski’s huge work “Airwar” that seductively stared at me for several years from the book club inserts in those combat-focused Ballentine Books that I collected. I was waiting for AW to arrive for about 28 years before I found it -- a dream come true.
Now, I wonder if AH isn't just the next FPS for someone to try out with the added complexity of learning ACM just being a drag. I was motivated to overcome that drag because of my connection to the subject being simulated, but it was really ego bruising (especially after dominating the AI in boxed sims). And while I'm no hot stick today, I can old my own against an average ACM-focused player well enough to get some satisfaction. But just getting to average takes quite a bit of work :)
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
I also wonder if it's not just a different type of player. Back in the day there seemed to be a WW2 aviation history enthusiast base. The first thing I ever saved for as a child was Edward Jablonski’s book “Flying Fortress” (about 4th grade or so). The second was Jablonski’s huge work “Airwar” that seductively stared at me for several years from the book club inserts in those combat-focused Ballentine Books that I collected. I was waiting for AW to arrive for about 28 years before I found it -- a dream come true.
Now, I wonder if AH isn't just the next FPS for someone to try out with the added complexity of learning ACM just being a drag. I was motivated to overcome that drag because of my connection to the subject being simulated, but it was really ego bruising (especially after dominating the AI in boxed sims). And while I'm no hot stick today, I can old my own against an average ACM-focused player well enough to get some satisfaction. But just getting to average takes quite a bit of work :)
Charon
Has a familer ring to it. "Great American Fighter Pilots of WW2" was my first in 2nd grade. Still have all those Ballentiine books bought each school book sale. All the models being built. Lying on the bed looking at the planes hanging from the ceiling, wishing I could get in the cockpit. All those years later, SWOTL, AOE, AOP, EAW, AW and now AH, letting me do what I thought I'd never get a chance to as a kid dreaming about it.
I knew we were in trouble back in AW when i had to explain that +Tiff didn't mean Tiffany, but was reference to the Hawker Typhoon's nickname :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
so charon.... what you are saying is that if AW would have stayed alive that the guys who ruined it would have stayed there and not come here to ruin AH gameplay?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
AW wasn't ruined and if you have that belief it is a false one and one indicitive of a player that really didn't play AW all that much. AW unfortunately suffered from lack of "care" from it's developers. AW is a perfect example of what happens to a game that is left on "cruise control" by a developer that felt like since people were still paying to play that updates weren't all that much needed nor new things to attract a new player base.
Glad to see that HiTech and crew haven't fallen into the "Kesmoid" theory of game development.
And no offense...some of the biggest *******es in this game were already here long before the AW exodus.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I knew we were in trouble back in AW when i had to explain that +Tiff didn't mean Tiffany, but was reference to the Hawker Typhoon's nickname :)
D'OH! I thought it was because you were a big Audry Hepburn fan and liked the movie.
ack-ack
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AW wasn't ruined and if you have that belief it is a false one and one indicitive of a player that really didn't play AW all that much.
I would strongly disagree, and I played it a hell of a lot. I spent hundreds $$ on it on a really bad month for me, at least, even on Delphi and CRIS net with their “economical” 20/20 plans - averaging about $50 a month probably. I brought three RL friends into the game as well when it didn't suck. Hell, the only surviving memory I have of one of those friends is a mission stored on a zip drive from 1994. I made my own cockpits using Crack 21 in the periscope warrior days and added my own sound effects for a laugh (Butthead’s laugh for the gun sounds "hu huh hu huh huh", Bevis’s “Fire…Fire” for the hit damage sounds along with a Simpsons Doh!).
It was ruined for me, in the ways and for the reasons I stated, with the switch to Gamestorm and the change in format -- and then EA. I didn't leave after 7 years for the lack of eyecandy, or the notably crappy flight models (B-17, Yak, P-47 mainly) and physics engine issues in FR (which I played for 6.5 years exclusively). I left because the game play had really started to suck. You would log on, and see huge 1-country bar dars at vastly separate parts of the map milking undefended bases, with perhaps fighter town providing some limited relief.
It did not suck before the shift from the centrals neutrals model, even with the move to AOL which actually gave me the novelty of free gameplay vs. pay to play by hour (except I had to use AOL) :)
And yes, development was limited relative to Warbirds, etc. But that’s not why I came to AH. If anything I was way too loyal to the game for too many years, the last 1.5 of Gamestorm/EA spent mainly flying in scenarios.
Charon
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
AW was the better game and AH is definitely the better sim. I guess it all comes down to what player's perceptions are of the communities of each. Some think (and I admit that I am one of them) that the AW community was for more cohesive than the community we find ourselves in AH. But that is just my dos centavos.
ack-ack
I agree Ack-Ack, but we did have the Full Realism "purist" that despised the Relaxed Realism "hobbiest" near the end of AW. The AW community was much stronger than the community in AH, in my opinion.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
so charon.... what you are saying is that if AW would have stayed alive that the guys who ruined it would have stayed there and not come here to ruin AH gameplay?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Absolutely, I would never have come here to ruin your way of play.