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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FBRaptor on May 27, 2004, 11:51:50 PM
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I went into beta tonight to have some fun and find I have no way to communicate with other countries players. This is a part of the game I happen to enjoy having. I ask someone why open channel isnt working and they tell me "Hitech got pissed off and turned it off".
Please turn it on! Please do not punish everyone for some thing one or two did wrong. That seems childish to me. Kinda like something a kindergarden teacher would do to the class. I am not sure what happened and I am commenting only on what I was told happened. If I am wrong on what is going on then please forgive me. If not.....Please return the open channel.
Thanks, FBRaptor
http://www.freebirdshome.com
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Hitech turned it off?
It could be the finest upgrade in the history of the game.
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Personally, I think it's a good opportunity for all of us to feel that some of the options we enjoy in AH ARE AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR OWN ACTIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
So next time gentlemen, think twice before starting the f**ked up trash in the CH1. The mudslinging some of you lamers start in CH1 hurts many other innocent people.
Most of us can't do much but just give out a sigh and squelch the lamer, but this time, we got to see what can happen when someone steps over the line.
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i agree, personally i like it off, if you got somethin to say to a player from another country use private.
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I say if you DONT like it........squelch channel1!!!!!!!!!
And kwasea.....do you know what happened to prompt hitech to do this?? If so, enlighten us please. There is no satisfaction to be had by seeing innocent people punished for what some dummy did or said.
Seems to me squelching them might have been an alternative?
FBRaptor
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I was there...
Just the usual Insult/Ego chatter , he flipped it off.
Dont think he was pissed, but what do i know
I imagine he just forgot to flip it back on when he left
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I do wish people would show common respect on this channel but would not want to sacrifice it all together to not have to hear it. I can always squelch the abuser if I wish. Thanks for letting me know cooly.
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I'll i know is that if i was him, I'd have the little Kazoo guy from the flinstones as my ride flying around zappin everyone
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Originally posted by Rolex
Hitech turned it off?
It could be the finest upgrade in the history of the game.
WORD!
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Originally posted by txmx
WORD!
So that's what happened to Vanilla Ice
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Originally posted by Redd
So that's what happened to Vanilla Ice
aaaaaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
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I wasnt there when he turned it off but HT did come back and ask how we liked not having channel 1. It was pretty much a general consensus ranging from very nice to awesome. HT then said ok channel 1 stays off and that was it.
I kinda wish it would stay off on AH1. People just dont know how to act. Granted we all get heated at times but I think some people get there cookies off by belittling others lack of skill and what not. Those bad apples had their chance to get along with others. Now maybe its time they do with out. Oh by the way I usualy always squelch channel 1 anyway. I think its funny the trash talkers have no option at this point of free speech so to say.
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booga
channel 1 really is part of the game for me,
sure, some dribble becomes annoying, but the majority seems good, and very informative.
I've had many flying questions answered, a joke, a laugh.....
And man, what about the ? sure , you can go private, but not every equals a kill, just some great fights....
Isn't there a ban or warning systm in place?
Really I have some great laughs flyin AH11 through channel 1..
Anyway's, my 2 bits worth...
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I personally love to chat with my enemies and give/get a good
when it's deserved.
As a mater of fact I've always had more friends between my opponents than in my own country since i started to play flight simulations 4 years ago.
If somebody doesn't like to chat/read ch. 1 there is the .squelch command for it. I guess HiTech can use it as well if he wishes to.
Best regards
Promet
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I have mixed feelings about ch 1. Being able to disable it is certainly ideal for special events, especially scenarios. Otherwise, though, I do enjoy being able to chat to all countries, and have long-since learnt to ignore most of the rubbish.
I suppose the other alternative would be to tune to a 200+ channel, presuming they are still all-country channels. Also, if there was somewhere like the AW Officer Clubs where all three countries could meet up and chat without any radio channels.... I do miss entering the game that way in AW, and often used to hang around as people came and went. Pah, getting all nostalgic now. :)
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"I say if you DONT like it........squelch channel1!!!!!!!!!"
Yeah. And if people don't like someone smoking near them then they should stop breathing.
Kudos to HiTech. Although I still think a PERMANENT squelch feature would be better. Till then shutting down channel 1 would be perhaps the best improvement to the game in a long time and ironically one that took the least effort and expense.
AH-II is looking better and better.
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Best thing ever, and a DAMN long time coming.
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In lieu of the much requested permanent squelch list that I and many others have requested for 3+ years. I would have to agree that if channel 1 stays shut down it is the finest thing I have seen HTC do for this game in recent memory. Channel 1 in the MA is a cancer 99% of the time.
Nice move hitech...(http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/applause_smiley.gif) (http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/bowdown.gif)
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I'm for it . Leave it off
Vati66
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Well done HT.........:aok
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Let me see if I can make a point on this without westy coming back with some outlandish take on it.
Some people like to use channel 1 for reasons OTHER than trash talking.
Some people do not, and think it should be disabled.
When it is turned on by the admin, the people who do not like it have the simple option of turning it off. Then they can have what they want.
When it is turned off, the people who DO like it do NOT have the option to turn it on. Therefore they can NOT have what they want.
It seems very simple to me.
Hitech has an opportunity now to make every single person in the game happy.
Leave it to where a player can keep it turned off if they choose, or a player can turn it on if they choose.
This way, everyone can have what makes them happy.
I do not bash or want to change the minds of people who want it turned off. That is their opinion, however many in the game want the option. Please keep it an OPTION of whether to partake in channel one if you want or not to if you dont.
Thanks, FBRaptor
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Originally posted by Flossy
...I suppose the other alternative would be to tune to a 200+ channel, presuming they are still all-country channels. Also, if there was somewhere like the AW Officer Clubs where all three countries could meet up and chat without any radio channels.... I do miss entering the game that way in AW, and often used to hang around as people came and went. Pah, getting all nostalgic now. :)
I believe that no game has ever handled the "on ground" stuff better than Air Warrior did. Was great for events, squad nights, hell any thing that required organization with others. They had a great interface and I have not seen anyone else come close since.
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Thank you HiTech, now how about AHI ma? =)
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If he would increase the size of the our squelch list channel 1 most likely wouldn't need to be closed.
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In beta I enjoy Channel one. The signal to noise ratio is alot better. The regulars are changin sides for the fight, salutes and laughs back an forth.
In the main it wouldn't bother me a bit. In beta I enjoy it for the above reasons.
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WOW No more Ch1!
I noticed it last night while doing some of my own testing on line. I thought my system was bugged or something lol!
Someone must have really ticked Dale off to make him do this. Its too bad really, I enjoyed Ch1 shooting the breeze with Jaxxo and Sundowner :(
Ahh well no more Ch1, wtg who ever it was that ticked HT off:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Zanth
I believe that no game has ever handled the "on ground" stuff better than Air Warrior did. Was great for events, squad nights, hell any thing that required organization with others. They had a great interface and I have not seen anyone else come close since.
Yeah, I think the scenarios were more immersive with the Briefing Rooms too..... never been quite the same atmosphere here. :)
Another alternative for chatting on ch 1 would be something like AW's radio room - perhaps something similar which could only be accessed on the ground and the only place that could tune to ch 1? That way, we could still toss the odd or greeting, but as it would be instead of flying it would be less prone to abuse.... maybe. :)
[edit]Of course, we would still need to have an option to be able to monitor ch 1 if it was used that way.....[/edit]
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Ch 1 in the beta was great until a few isolated people ruined it. It was a great place to discuss the new version, and then too much disrespect was shown.
I think once AH2 goes live, Ch1 should be enabled but only allow 's :p
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As usual, a couple of morons spoil the soup. No SOUP FOR YOU!
DmdMax
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tards on ch1 are half the fun of this game.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Hitech turned it off?
It could be the finest upgrade in the history of the game.
Amen. Simple and elegant solution to the bad air in AH.
team only chat will make the game much more friendly.
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I dont know.. turning off ch1 isolates players and confines them to country channel. Whatever the problem is some people have with channel 1 .. will continue on country channel. Very often i'm interested in what my opponent types on ch1 after a good fight (also to hand out a few
) rather than listening to the neverending text exhaust (CAPS of course) of the local armchair generals.
Tuning to private channel everytime is very cumbersome in comparison with ch1 ..
What's the problem with .squelch 1 for those who don't want to read it? :confused:
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Btw there is nothing to prevent everone from choosing a cross country channel.
Big diffence to the idea is that everyone has to choose going into it, wrather than decide to not use it.
HiTech
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If it ch1 or no ch1 as it is then I for one am for no ch1........
It is a shame we cannot give a at the end of a fight but we could do that on private.......particulary as we now have "tune to" on the right click list.
If Ch1 was to come back I would like it limited to range.......why talk to an enemy on the other side of the arena on open channel?
HT has a point.......an O club channel could be set aside for those that seem to need it............ 666?
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OK HiTech....
How do you do that? Cross country channel? My newbishness is showing through although I have been playing a long time.
Personally I like the banter on Channel 1....when it gets out of hand I either say something or tune it out....
I think the MAJORITY of folks would like it reinstated....Ill post a poll....
Regards,
TG12:)
PS....I vote for keeping it
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"If Ch1 was to come back I would like it limited to range.......why talk to an enemy on the other side of the arena on open channel?"
Excellent point Tilt. I'd second that global feature and would also go for it being an option for channel 2.
There is always AIM, YahooMsgr and Usenet for those who seem to logon only to spend thier time "chatting."
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I don't operate by polls guttboy.
HiTech
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Guttboy,
"Channels 200-299 - Anyone tuned to the same channel in this range will hear[/read] you, regardless of country."
channel 200 seems like a simple choice.
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it is a shame i think to haev chnl 1 gone...
if you cant take the trash ..dotn read it and just fight..
but to talk to others i snice..especially in a beta..where you can cordinate fights and such..
thibk its a shame...funny for a little bit..but its a shame..
And it takes to much effort to ..say..Hey..tuen to this channel...
you figth a different guy everytime..
and..in the beta..I think its the most important..somtimes its hard to find a fight..when numbers are what they are...20-60 ...so you say..Yo Bishrook scum..im upping off cv near a28..FIGHT FIGHT !!!
whats wrong with that..
and all the runners in the game..if you dont get them riled up..they keep running..
i cant count how many tiem s i have called out soem purse swingn safty sally 5k above me to coem on down!! the price is right...To peel your cap!!
its fun..
the crying about chnl 1 is...gay..maybe dont grab liek a Rook in a gay bar and you wont have so much tiem to "read" everything...or write such crap thth gets the chnnl shut down..
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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ok, 200 it is.
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"f you cant take the trash ..."
Don't have to. HiTech just took the trash out ____
Now all YOU have to do is tune to channel 200 to participate in drivel-online.
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they should do this squelch ch1 test on AH1 and see what happens
right now testing this on AH2 is badish news... normaly id ask where the fights are on ch1 (since bish only have 1-4 players.......)
but now i cant
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Comments, which I hope Hitech reads:
1) I hate to lose channel 1. The concept has been in all the good flight sims since Air Warrior in the early 90s. I used to enjoy communicating with other country players who typically flew at the same time I did. Plus, we got to make witty jokes about sheep. Frequently these conversations would take the sting out of being shot down, and were therefore a positive factor. Of course, there were always *******s, but one can squelch them.
2) The idea of having radio channels work only over a limited range, mentioned by someone above, is a good one. It would greatly reduce irrelevant (by virtue of distance) radio chatter.
3) Regardless of the final decision, I think AH1 and AH2 are a great achievement (Hitech, Pyro, et.al.). More than fills the gap left by the demise of AW.
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The thing is, chatter won't stop, it'll just be redistributed into the country channel which is a good thing IMO. I've watched the changes in channel 1 over time as arena numbers have grown and I definitely think its time has long passed.
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Pyro, you forgot to take one thing into account.
How the hell are we going to get our chute kill whines????
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glad its gone
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Awww. My "squelch channel 1" joystick macro is obsolete.
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Pyro, I mixed 2 separate issues in my previous post. My point number 2 referred to the fact that with large arenas, you are listening to comments from planes (friendly or enemy) which may be 100s of miles away, thus less relevant. You still have to parse all these messages, but usually can't do much to affect the situations being reported, as they are too far away. If there was a 50-mile radius limit (or some such number) you could be sure that anything you heard was nearby, thus more relevant. Also, the radius limit would tend to keep things in the buffer longer.
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Originally posted by Pyro
The thing is, chatter won't stop, it'll just be redistributed into the country channel which is a good thing IMO. I've watched the changes in channel 1 over time as arena numbers have grown and I definitely think its time has long passed.
Well thought out Pyro. This way we will communicate with fellow countrymen a lot more. This is a good thing.
This way..if an NME want's to communicate with us, or us them..wether to Argue or Say "Hey nice fight..or a simple and so on, the only ones effected, are the ones directly involved. While this makes it less conveneint...it will cause all of us to really mean what we say. The simple act of taking time to tune Private...will indicate a more detailed thought process before we speak/type. This is much better than being able to Blurt things out in a flash. And start the Snowball effect.
WTG HT. :aok
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Only real annoyance I see with killing channel 1 is what to do when HT, Pyro, Skuzzy come into the arena in blue text. We won't see what folks in other countries ask, and it could be a similar question. 'course they could always turn on 1 and then turn it back off for that I guess.
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pyro do you not agree with what i said in my post though? sure AHI needs it NOW, but, AHII doesnt. right now a good ammount of chatter is about what AHII is like, and right now you cant do it in game, unless you PM other guys......
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actually all you need to do to make Q&A sessions viable is make any private text sent to blue hatted HTC dweebs show up on channel 1 for everyone to see.
so you have to pvt msg them to have the question show up for everyone to see.
thats my 2 cents opinion
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Ch1 Was fun to talk on. I enjoyed the "open" interation between players; ALL players.
I think that because the actions of a few, many have to be affected, and thats just unfair.
I was in there flying. I was in a fight with a spit. Whom happened to be Nopoop. Nopoop got cherry picked while fighting with me. I went to salute him on Ch1 and there was no Ch1. I went to type his name in the text bar to type in private to him, it was more of a pain in the neck than anything.
Thats my 2cent whine. I just dont think there is any reason for this.
If HiTech wants to punish people why doesnt he perma mute those who can't control their fingers or their own heads?
Im sorry this whole thing just bothers me for some reason.
im done.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Hitech turned it off?
It could be the finest upgrade in the history of the game.
Yep!
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Originally posted by hitech
I don't operate by polls guttboy.
HiTech
Then please tell us what you do operate by?
This may seem like a smartass response however no more than the response it is responding too. :confused:
I think gutboy was just trying to help with a situation that is going to change the "community" of the game. I too would like to know "is there anything that anyone can do to get you to look at other alternatives"? Maybe you already are, I dont know.
I would think that if you could find a happy medium to keep everyone happy, wouldnt that be a great thing?
Surely one extreme or another is not the only two choices to programmers with such obvious talent as we can see by the work in AH2.
Most of us are too busy flying (or dying) to type someones name into a radio to just say "Nice kill" <>.
Ther must be some other way than to punish the hundreds of players who like the "option" of ch 1.
Please hear us and help us stay satisfied.
FBRaptor
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Well seems to me we've tried it the old way for 4 + years now.
Time for a change to my way of thinking.
Like a lot of the other changes it will take some getting used to. But it freed up a text channel for pm's :)
If you have something good to say, take the time to PM the guy & say it.
If not, just don't say it.
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From what I see he HT has given an option and kinda found a somewhat happy medium.
No channel 1.
Pro's:
No instant Trash talk going on the instant one logs in to play.
Noobs learning the game who dont yet know how to squelch or use the radio buffer interface will not have to filter all the trash talk going on.
Cons:
Folks that want to chat to all countries will have to decide on a channel and use it.
I dont see HT taking the ability to talk to all countries away. He's just saying go pick a channel you want to use and use it. I may not always be in the beta arena all the time but of those times I have been on he has been there. So in all honesty I can say HT didnt make any kind of rash decision and he did what needed to be done because he saw first hand how some folks tend to act. I think its unfortunate that the cool people have to suffer because of a few bad apples but at the same time the same cool people will accept HT's decision and restructure the chat interfaces they use on a day to day basis as needed.
Everything will work out in the wash. Just give it some time.
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Raptor I hear what you're saying...there are those who use Ch 1 simply to say "nice fite" or to salute someone who just landed X-teen kills. Such has been the case in AH2 for some time. Lately though, as newbies and AH1 folks have drifted over, Ch 1 has, at times, become the same cesspool of slap talk, cheat accusations, stick-stirring crapola, etc as Ch 1 in the AH1 MA. Now & again when I do fly in AH1 MA, more often than not there's a political discourse going on...which frankly, I couldn;t give a rat's bellybutton about.
If all country channel were turned off forever I'd say, "Right on!"
my 2 cents...
DmdMax
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I don't operate by polls guttboy.
HiTech
HiTech....never stated that you did operate by polls whatsoever....just curious as to what the majority of individuals thought.
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Well....Since Channel 1 is now permanently disabled....or so it seems....
I will be using channel 200 when I tune into the arena...if it gets bad then Ill turn it off...just as I did with channel 1.
I dont see a difference here....aside from the fact that there is no "OPEN CHANNEL". If folks want to talk on an open freq then I guess 200 it is.
Am I missing something?????:confused:
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WTG HTC.
I really hate to hear some people complain and insult players in that channel.
That's one of reasons why I left Aces High.
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personally, i squelch ch 1 every time i log in because of the huge amount of trash talk that comes across. I will never miss it. I can still tune a channel to give someone the occasion nice fight kudos.
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Mitsu,
Sorry to know that you left AH because of that.
However, insults and other banter will now just move to country channels from the folks that do it....Right? Perhaps...
And I agree wholeheartedly the sewage that comes across the OPEN channel is pathetic at times. I tune it out.
By the way I lived in Japan for 4 years....Okinawa....
Sayonara!:)
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I for one am glad to see it OFF!! I always squelch it anyway. What garbage!
If HTC reinstates it I hope you have to select it Like: /.open 1 {Enter} I hate being assulted by channel 1 before I even get in the game.
My $0.02
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It took the life outa it. It's bland now.
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omg I've never seen so many whinners about Ch1 and how it infects their lives and their minds.
just squelch it. Bingo! Problem solved.
If you can't take the few moments where you are seeing Ch1 then you have real problems.
Take off the panties and buck up!
Good gawd.
Furious is spot on. Its just bland. Its like eating oatmeal with nothing to add some flavor.
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Originally posted by dracon
I for one am glad to see it OFF!! I always squelch it anyway.
Makes no sense whatsoever. :rolleyes: <-- for NoPoop
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No channel one reminds me of the Linguine Spinned Liberals in this country..
whaaaaaaaaa ..its mean..
oMG that sis so frikn gay...I hav emeet many ftrs from the other countyr which i like...and have a great tiem fiting with...moprhues..STFU.......S lowhand..and the rest..now i cant call them out to get a beating soemwhere...
Really is amazing if it was cut off becosue of trash talk...What the hell are we ghere for..Fiting and talking....
Might as well be a box game next...
Anyone who gets riled up about channel one is..Linguine spinned..grow a pair..
Or liek I said before...Dont be Like a rook in a gay bar...STOP GRABN SO HARD...the figths are nto at 20+k
AND ..dammit man!!..its a BETA..hard enuff to find figths already...I guess ..getting back bug reports is getting not as important?...I cant beleive tht
anyways..see u on 200
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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I think you (at HTC) have lost your minds if you keep ch1 off.
Its your nickle - go for it - but I think it will cost you business.
If I want to play something that doesn't talk back, Ill play Diablo.
Back to AH1 :)
(seriously - you all are refraining from booze until after 3 pm right? Taking off channel one seems a rash, emotional, wet brained decision). Such goofiness is unbecomming.
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>>I don't operate by polls guttboy.<<
I think the bottom line counts as a poll.
People play online games to interact with other people. Fight, compliment, brag, lie, argue - TALK. Thats online gaming. Obviously, you disagree with this science. But I DEFY you to find an objective game designer that thinks hindering player interaction is a good thing. Just find ONE (aside from yourself) who would agree with that.
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In best Bevis voice: "Ee e eetch .. called .. H T ..... ... .... wet .. brained ...... hhuhh ... uhhhuuhuh .... uhuhu huhuh End Bevis voice
In all seriousness I can't see any difference in tuning ch1 or ch200 or squelching and/or detuning ch1 or ch200 ???
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Well I hope HTC takes it in the vein its given (i.e., I feel strongly against it). Other than being outright obnoxious, I think its ok for remarks to be pointed. Then again I might be toast :) But honestly, I didn't mean it to be vicious or mean - just pointed (like "what were you thinking?"). Maybe I should edit that eh? lol
Oh well.
And, if some have been using the beta to spew profanity, I can certainly understand why ch1 would be temporarily turned off. But I see no good reason to keep it off. I'm trying to think of one online game that doesn't have a global channel and I can't. Thats part of the fun of online gaming.
Even wordwomp has a global channel :D
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How about some middle ground here.
Let channel 1 come back, but let it work like the 100-299 range channels:
It would still be following the "forced to select, not deselct" since if you haven't tuned into it, you don't hear it, but it would be an intuitive choice and best of all, in different color.
If channel 200 is to be the norm and I want to follow it, I'll have 2 yellow text channels.
Something that will be quite an annoyance to me.
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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
How about some middle ground here.
Let channel 1 come back, but let it work like the 100-299 range channels:
It would still be following the "forced to select, not deselct" since if you haven't tuned into it, you don't hear it, but it would be an intuitive choice and best of all, in different color.
If channel 200 is to be the norm and I want to follow it, I'll have 2 yellow text channels.
Something that will be quite an annoyance to me.
That's all I'm saying. ;)
Ps... Have no fear Etch, I've seen HT called worse but come to think of it none of those guys are still around... j/k :lol
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I love channel 1 for one reason...... you already know.:D
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"People play online games to interact with other people. Fight, compliment, brag, lie, argue - TALK. Thats online gaming..."
Tweeybird IMO HiTech didn't kill that in the least. People can and always will be able to fight, compete, compliment, salute, mock and otherwise have fun. That is exactly what logging online into a game is for.
AIM, YahooMSGR and the game forums are meant for the idle chit-chat, chest thumping, lying and argument stuff.
With channel one out of the way AH would simply be removing the current 4th grade recess atmosphere in the MA. (for clarification of what I mean see either of BGBMAW's posts above or visit the OT to see the political "debates" whihc constantly spills into the MA).
Unless of course that is exactly what appeals to you when you look to play online games in which case can I have your joystick?
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WTG HT waited a long time for this.:)
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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
How about some middle ground here.
Let channel 1 come back, but let it work like the 100-299 range channels:
It would still be following the "forced to select, not deselct" since if you haven't tuned into it, you don't hear it, but it would be an intuitive choice and best of all, in different color.
If channel 200 is to be the norm and I want to follow it, I'll have 2 yellow text channels.
Something that will be quite an annoyance to me.
I said that in a post above you. It makes the most sense! Let's use this as a motto :)
"Select Don't Deselect"
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lol BGB
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My feeling is the Chan 1 whiners are silly. "Whine whine I dont like whats being said on Chan 1."
Well thats just a damn shame isnt it.
If your being that much bothered by whats being said on chan 1 then your probably spending far too much time watching the text buffer and not enough time in paying attention to whats going on around you.
Personally having Chan1 doesnt bother me one way or the other as I only barely pay attention to the text buffer anyway reguardless of channel.
If I had my druthers I'd like to have a way to turn the text buffer off entirely as I cant find a position for it that doesnt interfere with either my view of the surroundings or my guages.
LOL half the time I miss what squad calls are being typed out when Vox is being erratic.
But I think there should be a chan 1. It is nice to be able to Salute and be saluted publically for a well fought fight.
Or to let someone know they are warping all over the place.
Or a host of other reasons which include arguing.
A bigger problem for me is the Vox. Not the cussing but people holding general conversations in the middle of a battle and not being able to get a word in edgewise.
An example is the other night I spotted a several goons headed to a feild under heavy attack and no matter how hard I tried I couldnt get the word out cause two clowns who obviously hadnt seen each other in a while were hogging up the range channel with lengthy a conversation on how each other and each others family was. End result is the goons were finally noticed by someone but it was already too late.
Now that was far more frustrating and annoying then anything I've seen on channel 1.
I say let the people talk if they want to. Make Channel 1 so you can change it and if you dont want to read whats being typed on Channel 1.. Change it.
Then you dont have to read it and everyone else knows where it is if they want it.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
From what I see he HT has given an option and kinda found a somewhat happy medium.
No channel 1.
Pro's:
No instant Trash talk going on the instant one logs in to play.
Noobs learning the game who dont yet know how to squelch or use the radio buffer interface will not have to filter all the trash talk going on.
Cons:
Folks that want to chat to all countries will have to decide on a channel and use it.
I dont see HT taking the ability to talk to all countries away. He's just saying go pick a channel you want to use and use it. I may not always be in the beta arena all the time but of those times I have been on he has been there. So in all honesty I can say HT didnt make any kind of rash decision and he did what needed to be done because he saw first hand how some folks tend to act. I think its unfortunate that the cool people have to suffer because of a few bad apples but at the same time the same cool people will accept HT's decision and restructure the chat interfaces they use on a day to day basis as needed.
Everything will work out in the wash. Just give it some time.
Well put Wolf. It simply means that the shoe will be on the other foot. Before we had to go through the act od typing (.squelch 1) Now the the guys that like Ch1 and all that goes with it, will have to take the time to type in a channel they can talk acroos the country boundries.
Therefore one would have to asume. That some guys are bothered that they have to now select a channel by the act of typing it in. But it didnt bother them a bit when others had to de-select ch1.
Yep..its time for the Ch1 lovers to be annoyed with the task of selecting a channel where they can "Salute" :rolleyes: each other on. rofl. Apperently they havent been watching the same ch1 for the last 6 months that the rest of us have. Im sure i have piles and piles of film of those "" exchanges. Or could it be i have mountians of film of the oppisite behavior? Im bettin the latter is more likely.
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I will certainly miss having ch 1. I have friends in all three countries from my former AW days as well as since coming to AH and I always enjoy saying Hi to them all as I log on. In many cases, it is the only way I have kept in touch with a lot of AW friends, and I will miss it a great deal..... :(
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Wow .. no more smack talk, ethnic, politcal, world events, or world history debates on Ch 1 ... I am bummed !!!! ... NOT !!!
How about ...
Ch 200 for <> and attaboys and FRIENDLY conversations
Ch 201 for smack talk ... :rolleyes:
Ch 202 for ethnic debates ... :rolleyes:
Ch 203 for political debates ... :rolleyes:
Ch 204 for world events debates ... :rolleyes:
Ch 205 for world history debates ... :rolleyes:
You know .. like tuning a TV ... switch to what you like !!!
Slapshot 200: Help Morph u copy ?
Morpheus 200: cc
Slapshot 200: tune to 201 !
SlapShot 201: Morph ... ur nothing but a no-good HO N1K driven DWEEB !!!
j/k Morph ... ya know I love ya.
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Not a bad idea Slapshot. Trouble is, most squaddies will have rad 5 tuned to squad ch. If ch 1 is permasquelched, how bout a 2nd tunable frequency? Eh Kenneth?
DmdMax
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Originally posted by DMax
Not a bad idea Slapshot. Trouble is, most squaddies will have rad 5 tuned to squad ch. If ch 1 is permasquelched, how bout a 2nd tunable frequency? Eh Kenneth?
DmdMax
The channel that you have "all" tuned to would be replaced with the appropriate channel number ... simple ... yes ?
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
No channel one reminds me of the Linguine Spinned Liberals in this country..
whaaaaaaaaa ..its mean..
oMG that sis so frikn gay...I hav emeet many ftrs from the other countyr which i like...and have a great tiem fiting with...moprhues..STFU.......S lowhand..and the rest..now i cant call them out to get a beating soemwhere...
Really is amazing if it was cut off becosue of trash talk...What the hell are we ghere for..Fiting and talking....
Might as well be a box game next...
Anyone who gets riled up about channel one is..Linguine spinned..grow a pair..
Or liek I said before...Dont be Like a rook in a gay bar...STOP GRABN SO HARD...the figths are nto at 20+k
AND ..dammit man!!..its a BETA..hard enuff to find figths already...I guess ..getting back bug reports is getting not as important?...I cant beleive tht
anyways..see u on 200
Love
BiGB
xoxo
Prime example as to why CH1 needed and is Squelched.
btw.. Id think most Liberals would want CH1 intact...not squelched. Dont be so lazy... Bring up text buffer and type 200 or 201 or whatever in one of the little Channel window's. After all most of us have been going thru the task of squelching Ch1. Its your turn to go the extra mile.
Im willing to bet that those tuned to an "Open Channel" at anytime round the clock, would be less than 15% of the total logged into the MA at any given time.
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I get it NOW! :D
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Its your nickle - go for it - but I think it will cost you business.
I think the opposite is true. We may lose some customers over it but that doesn't mean it'll cost us business. You're only looking at one part of the equation.
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Originally posted by Pyro
I think the opposite is true. We may lose some customers over it but that doesn't mean it'll cost us business. You're only looking at one part of the equation.
Again.. well thought out! WTG. I just came from MA in AH2.
13 Bish
11 Nits
14 Rooks
I went to each country and type this question twice per counrty. "Is anyone tuned to 200 or an open channel?"
Results are as follows.
0 Bish
0 Nits
0 Rooks
Seems to indicate a certian something about (Open Channel squelch opinion).:aok
And No, i dont think a poll should decide nor do i expect HT to work on poll's. However this is the result i expected to get. The oppisite is true.
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Guys you are missing the point on the POLL thing....
I was just curious as to how many folks like the use of channel 1 as the open channel.....my god!
I will be tuning 200 to give and talk to individuals from other countries.:)
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For a poll about this to be useful, you'd have to include people who canceled their subscription and people who decided not to subscribe after their trial was up.
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Originally posted by guttboy
Well....Since Channel 1 is now permanently disabled....or so it seems....
I will be using channel 200 when I tune into the arena...if it gets bad then Ill turn it off...just as I did with channel 1.
I dont see a difference here....aside from the fact that there is no "OPEN CHANNEL". If folks want to talk on an open freq then I guess 200 it is.
Am I missing something?????:confused:
No, I don't think you are.
Most of the players want to talk to each other, and with players from other sides. So most of the players will be tuned into channel 200.
The trash talk will continue, but on 200 instead of one. The people that didn't want to hear it before still won't, but those that want to talk have to go through additional steps.
Its just moving the problem, not solving anything. And in this case there isn't anything that can be solved. I think the cure is worse than the problem, personally.
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LMFAO..
mugz and the other ,inguine spinned...whatever pol party u pick..(liberal)..lol
you guys have been wacthing WAYYYY too much Oprah..
stop being such panzies...
FLY YOUR FRIKN PLANE.....Stop reading,,]
again..why do you hav eso much tiem to read?...You must be rook..In a Gay bar,.,,,Grabn asss..
Maybe if you werent climn to 20+k to go purse swingn into a furball..you wouldn tbe so "offended"...lmfao..
cant beleive there are such sissies in here..
Remeber..Stiks and stones .....Words will never hurt me..
Dam..I play often..and have never cried becuase of text 1..
again...Must be alot of Lgay Drivers cryn...lololol
Some sort of Purse swingn Safty Sallies in here..
grow a pair..
ooooooohhhh BiGBs sooo mean... Ban him!!
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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just do what i do, i never talk on ch1 and completely ignore it.
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I don't think Channel 1 was squelched because someone was being a panzy. The thing to remember is there are children playing this game. It seems the majority of the time channel 1 is nothing but folks insulting each other. Granted you have that 20% or more of chat that is civil but the rest is garbage.
Slapshots idea is sound the only problem is you'll still have folks who will abuse the system. I myself will tune one channel to 200 for use because I do enjoy having the option of giving salutes.
I'm not sure if it's possible to do but what about a . command function for salutes? .Salute CPID. With something like this you have the option of still showing your respect for the other pilot but it's controlled so some won't abuse the chat buffer. I think having moderators for the channels would help some but you'd have to ensure they won't abuse their power given to them and you'd have to have alot of them.
Alot of the folks who are saying don't watch Channel 1 if you don't like whats being said are rather amusing. Maybe if those who constantly abuse channel 1 grew up some then it wouldn't be gone now. Folks are constantly talking trash, cussing, and belittling eachother on that channel. I wouldn't want my kids to be reading that crap. I think thats a major reason it's gone because kids do play this game. It's amazing how some of the kids are more mature than the adults are when it comes to channel 1.
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BGB, what's really sad is that I thought your first post was being satirical and I now realize it wasn't.
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Eh ... anyone who can't live without channel one prolly can't live without reality tv.
Pyro .... can channel one be turned into streaming media radio? All Elvis ... all the time?
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BGB your behavior is the type of thing which killed channel 1.
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Originally posted by Furball
just do what i do, i never talk on ch1 and completely ignore it.
lol your kidding right? ;)
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Again.. well thought out! WTG. I just came from MA in AH2.
13 Bish
11 Nits
14 Rooks
I went to each country and type this question twice per counrty. "Is anyone tuned to 200 or an open channel?"
Results are as follows.
0 Bish
0 Nits
0 Rooks
Seems to indicate a certian something about (Open Channel squelch opinion).:aok
And No, i dont think a poll should decide nor do i expect HT to work on poll's. However this is the result i expected to get. The oppisite is true.
Granted alot arent but I was on just alittle while ago
Anyways most of the folks were on 200
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I don't think half the people in this thread get it.
Chan 1 was/is preset by the game. As a result HTC is responsible for what happens there. People who log in are tuned to it, and automaticly see whats coming across the radio buffer. Good, bad, ugly, fuggly nasty or otherwise.
On the other hand, if you have to SELECT channel 200 to hear cross country talk. Thats a choice YOU made, HT is no longer responsible for what happens on that channel. You are, you made that choice. I suspect it also means he can ignore whats said on it.
I also think it means he no longer has to worry about language filters & mods on open channel.
Channel 2 is a bit more debatable.
My advice, if you don't want to lose channel 2 like we just lost channel 1, you best KEEP IT CLEAN! In short the community needs to police itself on country channels. And it needs to back each other up when it happens.
If that means everyone on knights squelches gameid456 so be it. They'll figure it out fast enough.
Course all the above is just my 2 cents.
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After scanning 2 pages of this topic, it appears that the common sense shown by HTC will prevail and the reasons for the change have been confirmed.
I also think the additional step of making range vox selectable (on/off) would also improve the gameplay atmosphere. I believe the vulgarity, racial slurs and bizarre behavior by those using it as a personal conversation tool detracts from the game. There are people who use stand-alone mics with speakers and have children running around the house and computer.
HTC is a private enterprise and I applaud your move to take back control of your product from the obnoxious minority who have tried to hijack it, and return it to the majority for our enjoyment. In the long-run, I believe it to be a sound business decision and you will be rewarded with increased subscriptions.
Good luck and I'm sure you'll find a creative solution to all of this.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
No channel one reminds me of the Linguine Spinned Liberals in this country..
whaaaaaaaaa ..its mean..
oMG that sis so frikn gay...I hav emeet many ftrs from the other countyr which i like...and have a great tiem fiting with...moprhues..STFU.......S lowhand..and the rest..now i cant call them out to get a beating soemwhere...
Really is amazing if it was cut off becosue of trash talk...What the hell are we ghere for..Fiting and talking....
Might as well be a box game next...
Anyone who gets riled up about channel one is..Linguine spinned..grow a pair..
Or liek I said before...Dont be Like a rook in a gay bar...STOP GRABN SO HARD...the figths are nto at 20+k
AND ..dammit man!!..its a BETA..hard enuff to find figths already...I guess ..getting back bug reports is getting not as important?...I cant beleive tht
anyways..see u on 200
Love
BiGB
xoxo
Is that you again Franko ?
http://www.mytrailerpark.com/
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BOOGA
0 cents worth,
well it seems ch 1 is kaput, which seems a real shame.
Of course I understand everyone's point and since I've been in and out since 1.04 , in H2H that is ,(still canna fly for sh*t) I really didn't know Ch 1 was so controversal in MA.
All I can say is since AHII, Ch1 has been integral in my desicion to aquire an account, threefold...
..a greater undertanding of the game
..a feeling of camaraderie (will change my moniker to Dweeb)
..and last but not least, quite a lot of the time i recieve no answer from the country I'm flying for....
And now reading my own lines above I do realise that this is all possible within team talk, though with limitations....
And so to Ch 200, and a small request concerning this..is it possible to change the text colour?
It may seem a frivolous request, what can I say, it bugs me.....
AHII, I love it and promote it, congrats HTC...
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LOL Slapshot! Classic :D
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
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In fact if players could only read those frequencies they have selected and not be forced to read the ones they have not??????
Then in the drop down list you could even have a series of titles not unlike the ones on this BB!
squad,
local,
country,
tech help
training,
chat
O club
etc etc
Only when cod speaks should we be forced to listen or read
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how am I supposed to make fun of Gixer and Joc in public now?
ack-ack
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How am I now supposed to know when to watch out for Ack-Ack without checking the roster all the time? ;)
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I like Morpheus' idea. Restore channel 1, but make it squelched by default. This means that anyone who turns it on wants it to be on, and has no grounds for complaint. As has been stated many times in this thread, there are legitimate uses for an easy-to-use, identifiable, public channel.
Furthermore, I like my idea of putting a 100 mile range on the radio channels, in order to filter out the less relevant (more distant) events. When the number of players on a channel is over 100 or so, you experience information overload.
My 3 cents...
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
Exactly!
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Channel 200 is now the old channel 1:D
Cya there:D
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Granted alot arent but I was on just alittle while ago
Anyways most of the folks were on 200
Hiya Card
What i did when taking the Poll is this. Started film (Which i hope is viewable when Film Viewer is activated) than took the poll, Jumping to each country then typing the question in the text buffer. Just wondering if you used some similar method to get good documentation? This chan 1 issue has actually gotten my attention. And im quite curious as to how many actually are effected negatively with ch1 silenced.
:)
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If HiTech ever polled this matter, I'd want an open cross country channel.
I have old friends and new friends on other countries with whom I enjoy talking. A good 1v1 with a good stick deserves a and a quick debriefing. I've learned a lot about fighting after getting my butt kicked and asking questions afterward, including with HiTech when he had time to fly.
Sure, Channel 1 sometimes gets tiresome. For that matter, so does Channel 2 and so does Squad channel. I can squelch Channel 1 for about fifteen minutes and it's all calmed down. True idiots really have a short attention span I've learned. No biggie.
I can live without Channel 1. I can live better with it.
HONK!
Gooss
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In retrospec, I'd like to apologize for the "wet brain remark."
I wasn't trying to be mean - just colorful :) Being a little "wet brained" myself when I wrote that, it may have been a wee bit obnoxious. It was meant as a friendly jab, nothing more.
Suffice to say I think channel 1 is a long standing tradition, and I will miss it much. Biggest compliment in the world is to be called "a cheating hacker." I'd like to think most of the arena hears it, if I ever get good enough :)
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>>I believe the vulgarity, racial slurs and bizarre behavior by those using it as a personal conversation tool detracts from the game. <<
I couldn't agree more, but I think a better fix would make such foolishness a one time offence (i.e., you do it and you lose ch1 permanently).
>>Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?<<
Excellent suggestion imo. It would remove the need for HTC to babysit, and keep the long standing tradition of Ch1 whinning :)
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Only thing is its probably a pretty safe bet that the majority of players couldnt care less about whats typed on channel 1 and by placing the "shoe on the other foot" and making again what probably is the majority of players type out the squelch command. Is simply wetursing the few that complain about it.
Like I said before. I rarely pay any attention to the text buffer at all and wouldnt mind if it went away completely. I'd actually like a way to turn the whole thing off as it very presence I find annoying.
But I think a better and more fair approach all the way around would be to have a way to either turn Chan 1 on or off individually in the same way you would set the stall limiter or tracers.
Then like those things.Those that want it can have it. those that do not, dont have to
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Well put Wolf. It simply means that the shoe will be on the other foot. Before we had to go through the act od typing (.squelch 1) Now the the guys that like Ch1 and all that goes with it, will have to take the time to type in a channel they can talk acroos the country boundries.
Therefore one would have to asume. That some guys are bothered that they have to now select a channel by the act of typing it in. But it didnt bother them a bit when others had to de-select ch1.
Yep..its time for the Ch1 lovers to be annoyed with the task of selecting a channel where they can "Salute" :rolleyes: each other on. rofl. Apperently they havent been watching the same ch1 for the last 6 months that the rest of us have. Im sure i have piles and piles of film of those "" exchanges. Or could it be i have mountians of film of the oppisite behavior? Im bettin the latter is more likely.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
LOL Slapshot! Classic :D
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
I like this idea much better than the idea of picking a channel in the 200-299 range. As said by someone else in the thread, it would keep channel 1 a different color from the 100-299channels. Maybe something as simple (if it would be simple to code) that any radio channel tuned to channel 1 be automatically changed to channel 2 on login. It already does something like that if you have someone tuned private and they aren't on when you log on, or if they log off while you still have them tuned private (I think it defaults you to channel 1, so it would have to default to channel 2 now).
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Make channel 1 work as a range channel. You can only talk across sides with the folks in range of you. That way if at a1 tif the talk is of politics you can move to a15.
You can also always squelch 1 and/or particular players.
This will help cut down on the over all noise, instead of hearing 500 folks blathering on channel 1 you only hear the guys in close proximity to you. This will allow for the salutes and some smack talking....
We gotta keep the friendly smack talking, nothing fuels a good fight like hate...
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i think its a mistake
and HT try to do shortcut ;-)
Much better would be just another option in setup menu, same place where you can tur on/off tracers, stall limiter..............
Option "TURN CHN 1 OF" . Just to not force lazzy guys to type each time when they enter AH ".squelch 1"
Turning off cross country channel will hurt mostly new players. WHo allways ask silly questions on chn 1. NOw who will tould them to turn on chn 200?
Is faster and more possibly to get answer from one or two persons on chn1 then from countrymen.
Anyway, turning of chn1 will end era of fun.
But im sure people will find new way to go around this ;-)
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Range vox next, please by all that's holy let me turn range vox OFF!
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But then you won't get to hear "JetJok88" tell everyone in range endlessly about all the tactics and tricks he learned in Falcon 4 or how he's really gude at simz or what he ate for breakfast or how stupid his parents are or how he broke up/got back with his girl/boyfriend for 45 minutes straight.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
LOL Slapshot! Classic :D
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
I think this is a great idea that would keep everyone in the arena satisfied!!!!!!!!!!!! Good thinking Morph!! Please please please HTC!!! Give a dog a bone :D FBRaptor
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
LOL Slapshot! Classic :D
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
That would be a simple fast fix ! also maybe put warming of "adult content" ( or un-adult content ) in software agreement .
That open channel is needed for lots of " good reasons " IMHO.
........ CHECKERS
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(Gabbers back, btw )
OK, Listen. I have the solution. This will solve EVERYONE'S problem. It is the ULTIMATE middle ground. HT you better do this...
How to solve this? Simple, in your options/preference box simply have a chat section (which dont you already have..?) and simply add a checkbox for permanent select for CH1. So you can have it off, all the time, if you so choose. Or you can have it on, always, or whenever.
Perfect, I know.
And personally, I liked Ch1, I could just block it out, the colors are different so it's pretty easy. I'm too busy flying to be concentrating on what everyone's saying that has nothing to do with me. Maybe you guys should take some ritalin or something to stay focused and boost your attention span?
Thank you. Please have this in effect immediately.
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I enjoy that ch1 is gone.
Though a perma squelch function would be better. That would allow me to stay with my arena friends and those which act in a responsible manner.
Ecke
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See? See? I'm a genius.
Ch1 gave me lots of laughs, I do miss it. And you all will too, in time.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
LOL Slapshot! Classic :D
Here's an IDEA.
Why doesnt Hitech make Ch1 off by default. And when one enters the game, he or she has the option of turning it on or off?
Seeing as we are looking, already, for new channels to talk on. Why not keep the one we already had (Channel 1) but make it an option and a physical choice to turn it on when one enters the game or at any point during your on line time???
Not bad but still doesn't cut the mustard as far as I am concerned.
With this, it still would lead people to believe that ALL types of conversation would take place on this 1 channel.
I too want to talk to people across country lines and throw <> and GK and nice shot, but I don't want to see all the other BS that is spewed out on this channel.
If HT were to reserve 200-210 for the purposes I have stated (and somewhat backed up by Tilt), then when someone decides to start some ethnic and/or political discussion on 200, they can be told to move it to channel 202 or 203.
The friendly channel (200) would be policed by those that want to keep it friendly. If the person(s) who want to pollute that channel, without moving their BS to the appropriate channel, a simple screen shot and an email to HTC can solve the problem.
The real solution here is to move the discussions to their appropriate channel so those of us who don't want to hear/see their crap, don't have to suffer thru it.
There is nothing worse than when some foul-mouthed smack talk argument occurs or some ethnic, political, religious, world event, or world history discussion takes place on CH 1.
It's time for that crap to come to an end for all to see. Take it to the appropriate channel and have a blast.
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Dont you see slapshot? That if you didn't want to see it you could just turn it off? And if you needed it temporarily you could just add /ch1
to whatever you say to temporarily open it.
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Range vox next, please by all that's holy let me turn range vox OFF!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That would be the best feature yet!!!!!!!!!:D
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Gabber your from CT? where abouts?
With this, it still would lead people to believe that ALL types of conversation would take place on this 1 channel.
I too want to talk to people across country lines and throw <> and GK and nice shot, but I don't want to see all the other BS that is spewed out on this channel.
Well I understand what you are saying slapshot. But ultimatly the choice is yours as to weather or not Ch1 is seen. It doesnt have to be on for you or anyone else al of the time. And you can turn it on and off at will. Just as you can now. Only this way, it will be off by default when you enter the game.
I've also come up with another idea here to add to the ease of turning Ch1 off and on.
Hitech is there a way to make a hot key for turning Ch1 on and off? So as to get rid of the dot comand? This I think would be helpful for those like Slapshot who wish to give a quick "" talk about the fight ect and then return to flying.
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Ultimately it comes down to being an adult and acting as such.
The idiots that insist upon goading and smack talk are usually among the best pilots in the game and don't seem to think anything exists outside of thier space.
Bring channell 1 back--pick respectable moderators---raise the ban from channell 1 to 48 hrs and the crap will end.
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Ello Morph. Love your flowers ;)
I actually haven't been around in a while and I moved from Norwich, CT (kind of near New Haven but up further) to Maryland, near D.C. within the past year.
But I can't believe this about CH1, that's such BS. See, that's why you shouldnt have just a handful of people with power, tends to become a dictatorship. Perhaps this game needs Mods now that it is so large. And I think people who abuse Ch1 should have some sort of ban, be it temp or perm, not from game, but from chan. You could have it reported and can just skim the logs for it. Easy.
How about I join HiTech, I think I've got good fresh ideas, eh?
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Heeey, just realised you're at UCONN. There BB team is doing great. Although in a whole I didn't really like CT that much, wasn't really much to do.. Oh I also lived real close to New London (closer than to New Haven when was like an 45mins away).
Went to a few parties up at UCONN though, those were fun :)
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Gabber your from CT? where abouts?
Well I understand what you are saying slapshot. But ultimatly the choice is yours as to weather or not Ch1 is seen. It doesnt have to be on for you or anyone else al of the time. And you can turn it on and off at will. Just as you can now. Only this way, it will be off by default when you enter the game.
I've also come up with another idea here to add to the ease of turning Ch1 off and on.
Hitech is there a way to make a hot key for turning Ch1 on and off? So as to get rid of the dot comand? This I think would be helpful for those like Slapshot who wish to give a quick "" talk about the fight ect and then return to flying.
No No No No Morph.
The premise is to segregate/move topical conversations to the appropriate channel.
I don't want to turn off Ch 1 (200) until I need to throw a <>.
I like to read the comical/friendly conversations that some have, and also LMAO at some good-hearted ribbing that goes on between two adversaries, who are friends, and just had a good fight.
What make me want to puke is the ...
foul-mouthed smack talk arguments, ethnic, political, religious, world event, or world history discussions.
If someone wants to talk about motorcylces and feels the need to discuss the merits or lack thereof between ricers and hogs, then take that crap to Ch 208.
Take this crap somewhere else ... thats the point.
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Originally posted by sax
Ultimately it comes down to being an adult and acting as such.
The idiots that insist upon goading and smack talk are usually among the best pilots in the game and don't seem to think anything exists outside of thier space.
Bring channell 1 back--pick respectable moderators---raise the ban from channell 1 to 48 hrs and the crap will end.
Dealing with the closing sentence.
WHY has this not already been done?
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HTC is a fairly small company, and they have much to do. However, the suggestion that I and slapshot talked about would be a very, very easy fix. I have some background in programming, and I know adding a checkbox to automatically keep Ch1 off or on would be a one lined code. That's how simple it could be.
Agreed about moderators, it is a large game now, and you don't need to pay moderators, just get volunteer players with an upstanding record. That's how most games do it. (I.E., gamestorm when AW3 was around)
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Originally posted by Seeker
Range vox next, please by all that's holy let me turn range vox OFF!
YEAH! I'm getting tired of hearing Seeker tell his 'dancing during Oktoberfest' story.
ack-ack
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That's ok .... everytime he starts it I'll start singing "Burning Love."
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Hitech say's "I will not operate by polls."
Fine so be it, but we are still customers, and customers dont like to be treated with contempt. I dont appreciate being treated with the scorn of the higher authority because a few bad apples went off on Chn 1.
Chn 1 has and should continue to be part of the game. Obviously others share a different opinion. But the option has and is still in place to squelch the channel or persons involved. For me I feel like I have been punished and givin little option here.
To set in motion policy by decry is belittling to the entire community.
Many of you are going to jump all over me for this but I do not really care. I still think that if you dont like what you see on chn1 you could easily turn it off. But to take it away from me and the others who want it is punitive, for no reason other than to satisfy the minorities moral compass.
ZZ3
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Thanks HT
There are way too many kids that play/see or hear this game for the stuff on 1.
Think about it, you guys complaining.
If You had a 8 or 9 year old running around the house would you expose him to some of the talk on 1?
I'll wager the one's doin the trash takin don't have "junior" looking over their shoulder watching every word.
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I realy Like the Idea of Having NO Chanel 1, one of the first things I kinda mised from AH when I fist dabbled in WW2 online was Chanel 1, but in time I realised that despite the number of people playing WW2 online thier was hardely any,,,like None of the BS and bickering you see in AH. I got so tiered of seeing the poofests in the buffer I simply stoped looking at anything on Chanel one, and only pay ataention to Green or squad anyway now, this is a good idea imo.
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Holy Cow Brady!!!!!! 8800 posts???!!!!! How is that possible?:D
Anyway, what some people have missed is that there is no reason for it to be to have it or not to have it completely. The solution is to have it be an option. Simple really.
If you dont want it...turn it off.
If you do want it, turn it on. Cool huh?:eek:
FBRaptor
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Went to a few parties up at UCONN though, those were fun
haha yeah parties panties parties.:D
So many parties so little time :p
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Well, 2,000 or so were Name this Posts:)
I think I made 1,000 or so on the Operation watch tower CO/CM forum as well:)
And the CT Staff Forum, took a couple more thousand...
And the Okinawa CO/CM Forum took another.....
:)
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I also have never changed my name since I signed up, many on the BBS have doen so, so they have realy made more posts than it would seam, and despite some incedents whear I came close to being booted from the BBS I managed to get a grip and come back to reality, so I was never booted.
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One of the most freeing realizations I've had in this life is that I can only control me (and thats a full time job). People, companies, administraions, etc. are going to do things that just don't make sense to me, and 99.9% of the time, arguing the point is just a waste of oxygen, as rhetoric is more common than logic.
If the game is good enough to make up for the competition I felt on Ch1, I'll play. If not I won't. Right now it isn't, so I won't.
It just isn't worth arguing about.
But the next time someone asks "why aren't you playing AHII?"
the answer will be clear. Because of its knee jerk "features" (like no ch1). And thats my understanding of how the decision was made - a knee jerk reaction. A decision made over a capsule of bad conversation on ch1 on a certain day. Not over weighing pro's and con's of ch1, but an emotional response to what was going over ch1 on a certain day.
Doesn't make sense to me, but the older I get, the less does.
Again, your nickle - hope it works for ya. Maybe I'm just burning out - 3 hours last camp :eek:
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Despite the open channel being disabled, my brother received several nasty private messages for whacking guys not accustomed to being shot down by a newb. He has a two-week account and has to fly using my machine as the frame rate on his old laptop isn't up to it.
He's getting pretty proficient in the 109G-10. He sucked in a pair of Tempests and made short work of them, keeping the fight in the vertical. This got him a private message stating "sandbagging A-hole".
Later he and another guy double-teamed a P-47D-30. He nailed it with a flawless deflection shot. That earned him a "ganging loser" message. Hey, at least he wasn't flying a perk plane.
So, if guys feel compelled to send a nasty-gram, they can and do use private messages. Therefore, why bother to enable the open channel?
My regards,
Widewing
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Widewing, raises an interesting point, why not just elemanate all com's between aposing sides? Or the idenity of the one who killed you/or the one you killed?
In short a system like they have in WW2 Online in this regard.
This would elimanate a ton of negatives.
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Guess it's that or go the other way where we have window in window vid capability with cameras on the monitors. That way we can dial up somone direct and wave our peepees back and forth.
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Here is something that happened to me today in beta that brings up a point.
I was flying and fighting and doing whatever. Then I recieve a private message asking me a question from someone I dont know. Being the kind of person that doesnt like to be rude, I quickly looked at my radio for a quick way to answer the question. I realized.......there is no quick ez or simple way for me to respond to this person. I know I know I could have gone to the roster and clicked on their name and clicked tune to. Or I could have hit the ~ key and looked up to see the exact spelling of their name and then opened the radio and then typed it into a channel and then when finished re-opened the radio and cleared their name. But cmon, give me a break, it really bothered me to be rude to this person or for them to think I was being rude but geez I was trying to fly a mission and watch my surroundings.
I do not have time to fiddle with all of that just to answer a question or return a >>S<<.
And as far as for this use channel 200 thing, well this person must not have known to tune to 200 for open channel because they were not there.
They then pm'd me again and again I did not have time nor the desire to go through all of the trouble to tune to them and respond.
This kind of thing is going to happen allot. To allot of people and they are going to get frustrated. To have to tune to someone to talk to them is rediculous.
There have been several good ideas brought up on this post to give HT a chance to keep everyone happy. I surely hope that he and his staff decide that keeping the paying customers happy is a worthwhile thing to do.
If nothing is done, it will show only that there is no concern for what the players want and only a concern for what that admin wants. Basicaly, to hell with us would be the taken response.
Please HT help us with this issue and help us find a middle ground so that all can get what they want (pay for).
Thanks, FBRaptor
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Much better now... I can SING on Ch200 vox :D
*clears voice*...
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goooodd !!
a least some other will suffer like our squad members !
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I don't operate by polls guttboy.
HiTech
HiTech
My new bribe link.
For the cheap skates
Get the hint Gutboy
:lol
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Most of the time I ignore channel 1 and have had squadies tell me someone was addressing me or I would have not noticed it. I ignore it cause way too much of it is just trash or arguments/discussions better left on the BBS.
NOTE:
I have spoken with or heard a couple of what sounded like very young people on local vox recently. One was online at 4:30 AM my time. Think it was a young one from England. Sounded like it but hey maybe was an Aussie?
I also recall several people elsewhere that specifically stated they don't care for the abuse, belittling, berating, insulting, etc.. (the term used, to be polite, would be "grade school stuff" on channel 1).
I see someone telling someone they suck or some such a thing.
Oh really?
How is it known that the person being told they suck wasn't dealing with wife ack, kid ack, dog ack, or some such at that moment?
Maybe the person is slightly vision impaired (don't be too amazed had someone ask me for help that was trying to learn AH1 that claimed to be somewhat vison impaired, and I confess, sadly, I didn't have a clue how to deal with that), maybe they're just starting to expeirence the problems of MS and want to enjoy what they can while they are still able, or oh so many things that affect us all!
What gives with this stuff?
Is it really so important to someone's ego that they have to shoot another person down and then abuse and insult them???? (see end of 3rd paragraph in parens please) You need WWF? Hey! go watch it then.
Don't wanna be ganged? Ever tried NOT flyin outa a vulched base and flyin out of a different base instead? To me Gangin is a part of AH. I get ganged and I gang, sometimes i get shot down doin either one sometimes I survive. I don't expect a 1v1, those are very rare, and I try to fly accordingly. One way to avoid gangs is to fly with alt (20K or so) and Monty Python it (as in runaway! runaway!) when you have to LOL.
My take on HT's response was, he has been very busy and so has not been able to follow the activities that have been gradually getting worse and worse on channel 1 and his reaction when he finally actually saw some of the garbage was swift and to the point.
IMHO WAY TO GO HT!!!!!!
I admit I enjoy some exchanges I've had, and watched, with several others on channel 1. The salutes and GOOD NATURED joking type that is. To name just a few ... Silat, Whels, AKAK, Plumbit, tush, 999000 (before and after he became a knight), JB11, JB42, (and for that matter all of the JB squad), Ramair, Flossy, SESharp (before and after he became WMSharp my squadie), and the list goes on and on and on...... Most of the people in the MA are NOT putting out trash on channel 1 they're just trying to enjoying it and the people online and AH.
I also admit I have come away with a not very high opinion of some I've had exchanges with on channel 1. I won't name em cause I doubt I need to.
IMHO if these people leave because they have some kind of NEED to be insulting and abusive to others and can no longer appease that NEED then GOOD your business doesn't need em and I believe others will arrive to replace em and will probably have better manners too.
I once got rather upset at g00b who was flyin an La7, said as much on channel 1, and I went back up after him and I filmed it and looked at it later and discovered I was flyin poorly and when next I saw g00b was online I stated as much. He just flew well and I was flyin very poorly. The film showed me that. I was wrong to react the way I did. I stated that too. All on public channel 1.
So yes the public channel 1 can be very useful and even enjoyable when it is not being abused! BUT if some individuals can not control themselves and be considerate of ALL the other people that use it then I can enjoy AH without a public channel. If nothing else set it to be squelched unless otherwise turned on or selected. Or they can just go to 200.
That is my $0.02 worth.
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The best feature ever introduced is removing channel one!!
WTG HT
Originally posted by FBRaptor
Please turn it on! Please do not punish everyone for some thing one or two did wrong. That seems childish to me. Kinda like something a kindergarden teacher would do to the class. I am not sure what happened and I am commenting only on what I was told happened. If I am wrong on what is going on then please forgive me. If not.....Please return the open channel.
Thanks, FBRaptor
http://www.freebirdshome.com
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To those who think this is a knee jerk reaction. It's not, I wrote the stuff to disable channel 1 on april 13.
We had been planing on disabling channel 1 over the last year. Had AHII not frozen AHI code it would have been implemented in AHI some time ago.
To those who think we do not understand communication in online games, we do. It's was not a simple choice to disable channel 1, Pyro and I have playing online for close to 15 years, we well understand the chat roll/fun of channel 1.
As AH has evolved and grown some problems have changed the game dynamics. When we had 300 people in an arena the world was small enof where peer pressure and us getting involved could keep the down side of channel 1 in check. Now with 700 online, people start to feel anonymous and feel they have rights to abuse things.
2. The volumn of trafic has changed and starts to become overwhellming. Anyone rember when I removed kill messages and changed them to end of sortie only? This was also to dimisish text trafic.
So the sky is not falling, We just decided the the detriments of channel 1 outwighed the advantages.
1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled.
HiTech
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It is unfortunate, I think.
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"1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast
GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled. "
How about an autoreply feature so I can just keep flying (or going from the tower to the runway to reup) feeling secure that my opponent received a courteous salute? It could be an optional check box.
Salute option:
___ (from) ___________________
Salute when:
___ scoring victory
___ yout opponent is the victor
I'm:
a: lazy
b: a lousy typist
c: not the best at remembering if the fight lasts long and the bad guys are many.
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Just so ya know checkers, I don't have any kids
But , there are still lots of people who don't use headphones(which I do, use headphones, that is)
TV has the FCC
movies has a membership card which restricts the ability of which movies can be rented by minors
Internet has software that can block(tho not very well)
the point I'm trying to make here is that I'm not willing to pay $15 bucks a month to hear trash talk.
I'm also not willing to promote this game to kids the way channel 1 was being abused.
If I wanted to do that, I'd go play quake or c/s on a free server
Supposidly the average player age in this game is @ 40.
you'd think people would act thier age, but obviously there are lots of people woh think that being "on the internet" gives them free reign to talk trash anonymously with no repercussions.
well guess what-HT nailed it on the head with his last post.
there are too many boneheads for the community to police itself,otherwise it would have happened already.
when some Kid(14-16) starts too play this game and sees the crap on 1, they think,cool, just like quake, I can say anything I want and nothing will happen.
all that has happened is that HT has "taken the batteries from the remote" so you don't see that stuff when you first log in.
The interesting thing will be to see what happens once AH2 starts, as I got a feeling that most of the pottymouths won't be able to afford to upgrade.
as for the ability to communicate-- /. 200
it ain't that tough
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The lack of channel 1 in AH2 beta online is one of the single greatest improvements over AH1. Kudos to Hitech for making AH2 much more of an air combat simulation than an air combat game.
MiG
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Originally posted by hitech
1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled.
HiTech
All that is needed
.s Hitech
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Originally posted by Odie202
"I don't operate by polls guttboy.
HiTech
HiTech
My new bribe link.
For the cheap skates
Get the hint Gutboy
__________________
Call sign "Evilodie"
ABANDON ALL HOPE "
No Odie I dont get the hint.....care to rephrase?
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Originally posted by guttboy
Originally posted by Odie202
No Odie I dont get the hint.....care to rephrase?
It was a joke, see... HTC doesn't operate by poll, rather he operates by Bribe.
-Sik
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Thanks....
Didnt get much sleep this weekend so Im draggin....LOL
Regards
:)
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That went also right over my head before silkboy :)
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.s Hitech
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Originally posted by Furious
It is unfortunate, I think.
Agreed. While HT and Pyro have a point at prime time USA and on the weekends, those of us that fly USA mornings have only about 175-200 max in the arena. There are actually good discussions and joviality during that time--and the peer pressure needed to tone down offenders.
It's a shame that folks flying only 30% of the time have dictated the other 70%. I'll miss it.
h
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Originally posted by Flit
Just so ya know checkers, I don't have any kids
But , there are still lots of people who don't use headphones(which I do, use headphones, that is)
TV has the FCC
movies has a membership card which restricts the ability of which movies can be rented by minors
Internet has software that can block(tho not very well)
the point I'm trying to make here is that I'm not willing to pay $15 bucks a month to hear trash talk.
I'm also not willing to promote this game to kids the way channel 1 was being abused.
If I wanted to do that, I'd go play quake or c/s on a free server
Supposidly the average player age in this game is @ 40.
you'd think people would act thier age, but obviously there are lots of people woh think that being "on the internet" gives them free reign to talk trash anonymously with no repercussions.
well guess what-HT nailed it on the head with his last post.
there are too many boneheads for the community to police itself,otherwise it would have happened already.
when some Kid(14-16) starts too play this game and sees the crap on 1, they think,cool, just like quake, I can say anything I want and nothing will happen.
all that has happened is that HT has "taken the batteries from the remote" so you don't see that stuff when you first log in.
The interesting thing will be to see what happens once AH2 starts, as I got a feeling that most of the pottymouths won't be able to afford to upgrade.
as for the ability to communicate-- /. 200
it ain't that tough
FLIT , I agree with you, on all your points , except the one about "junior looking over some players shoulder " .... That falls right on the Parents of the children .
I also am one of the players that play alot in the very early morning that Horn refers to, and he is correct in his statement that the arenas are kinda empty and alot of 'cool chatter " is on CH1 during those early am hours .
Too bad hard-core crap talking has won-out, and cost the community CH 1 , over options in the game . .......
Anyway It's a dead issue now .............
Regards ...............
CHECKERS .........
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Originally posted by AWCHKRS
Seems to me that it is the parents responceabitity to have control over what their children look or listen to on the internet , .......
That may be; but if I as an adult have no control over some one squeeling "why no check six, you mother ****ing piece of ****; I bet you're wife's a ****ing potato too!"; that it's a bit unfair to expect a parent to prevent it.
Control. That's what this is all about.
I want control over whom I speak to. I have it in real life; and I want it here too.
Please; HTC:
1) Give me the option to choose Ch.1 or not.
2) Give me the option to have range vox or not.
3) Give me the option to click "show new threads" ( _especialy_ in times of Beta) with out the O club showing up.
I don't want to limit any one else's fun at any time; I want to have control over my own.
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Originally posted by hitech
To those who think this is a knee jerk reaction. It's not, I wrote the stuff to disable channel 1 on april 13.
We had been planing on disabling channel 1 over the last year. Had AHII not frozen AHI code it would have been implemented in AHI some time ago.
To those who think we do not understand communication in online games, we do. It's was not a simple choice to disable channel 1, Pyro and I have playing online for close to 15 years, we well understand the chat roll/fun of channel 1.
As AH has evolved and grown some problems have changed the game dynamics. When we had 300 people in an arena the world was small enof where peer pressure and us getting involved could keep the down side of channel 1 in check. Now with 700 online, people start to feel anonymous and feel they have rights to abuse things.
2. The volumn of trafic has changed and starts to become overwhellming. Anyone rember when I removed kill messages and changed them to end of sortie only? This was also to dimisish text trafic.
So the sky is not falling, We just decided the the detriments of channel 1 outwighed the advantages.
1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled.
HiTech
Thank you hitech for your very cordial and proffesional response.
I do not agree or like the fact that it looks like there will not be code written to allow channel 1 to be turned on or off at each players discretion in order to keep all players in the game satisfied one way or the other however I for one will not keep beating this horse or offering suggestions that have already been mentioned. I believe that after all that has been written by everyone on this post, there is really nothing left to say.
The ball is in your court......in fact it is your ball :D
Please continue to give some thought to what so many are requesting. The .s command seems ok but really will not resolve the communication factor loss.
Again, Thank you for your courteous and proffesional response to our concerns. FBRaptor
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Raptor the point is by tunning 200 it can still be the global chat channel. Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
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Channel 200 is the same as having channel 1 - big deal - if you want it - tune to 200, if not don't.
Can't see the problem here
Acetnt
...................ducks under the tracer fire
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Hitech....I realized that 200 can be an open talk channel as well but choose not to use it because I'd rather talk to my squaddies...
And I agree with ya....It takes SOME SORT of effort to tune that up...so it is more of a conscious decision on the USER to recieve the content from that channel!
Any hints on when its going live....just a joke! Keep up the tweaking and Im sure it will be great when you do!:)
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Originally posted by guttboy
It takes SOME SORT of effort to tune that up...so it is more of a conscious decision on the USER to recieve the content from that channel!
At least once it is tuned it stays there until you change it, so it's not something you need to do every time you log on. A decent compromise I guess and hopefully it will take off. :)
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I have had to squelch channel 1 most of the time for over 2 years.
So long channel one!
Squelch list next please.
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Originally posted by hitech
...Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
...wait. How is that going to cut down on traffic again?
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Originally posted by hitech
Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
HiTech
HiTech,
I know Iv mentioned this before, but would it be possible to have some type of color slider to change some of the Yellow Text Channels (100-299) Maybe even if its just changes the shade of Yellow between radios.
Lets Say Im tuned to 165 and 170, its would be easier to tell at a glance which channel the message was on if the color was different.
If your working on text colors maybe its something you can do without alot of trouble, If its a can of worms, forget it :)
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Originally posted by hitech
Raptor the point is by tunning 200 it can still be the global chat channel. Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
Actually i have. But thought there was enough to chew on with the text subject :D
HT...As anyone can see, HTC has put a lot of thought into this issue. :aok
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Originally posted by hitech
Raptor the point is by tunning 200 it can still be the global chat channel. Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
200 will work for me, thanks again for showing concern for our concerns.
If you do change 200 color (I hope you do) to tell if the chat is from open channel, may I suggest white just as the old open channel was white. It was a good choice in color to begin with because it is the easiest color to ignore if I want to. The other colors I always pay attention to because it is coming from people I directly am in contact with like squad, and alt squad.
BTW what will the squad limit on members be in AHII? We need to decide if we will need to maintain 2 squads to fit our numbers or if we can fit everyone into the same squad (which would be nice). We currently have 44 members. Thanks, FBRaptor
http://www.freebirdshome.com
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Originally posted by hitech
Raptor the point is by tunning 200 it can still be the global chat channel. Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
any chance we could get another button to push ?
i.e. f12 for range
t for channel
? for squad channel
?
or something ?
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Originally posted by hitech
1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled.
HiTech
Would be nice......... could you make it so its also accessable with out need for a dot command (given you do it that is)
I note channel 1 was on last night................ and strangely lacking in trash talk for the period I was on.
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.s HiTech,
I'm hoping for the same thing with regard to additional VOX channels for squads.
1. First off... can we secure our squad freq. so spies can't pop in and listen to our comm's ? Maybe make it so that you can't tune to the squad freq. unless invited to (for that session) by one of the designated Sr. officers of the squad. Maybe keep squad freq as a completely separate semaphore (rather than tunable freq) for reason of need for additional vox channels as listed in #2 below.
2. I would like to see a hierarchy of VOX squad channel settings that allowed private comms between:
A. Squad CO and Squad Flight Leaders (SFL).
B. SFL's and their flights.
C. Wingmen
D. Pilot and Gunner of an individual plane (intercom).
... maybe fixed at 5 or 6 levels deep to allow for greater granularity in the organization of some squads.
3. Keep Room VOX as is.
4. Additional colors for both text channels and vox channels
Channels would sort of work this way...
1. The Squad CO and SFL's share the base squad channel (BSC). The CO gets to have broadcast ability to entire squad for certain Pre/Post flight messages (could use mission or room channel for this).
2. SFL's use base squad channel to speak to CO and each other. In addition, they have separate channel just for their flight (BSC.SFLA or B, C, D...etc...)
3. Flight members use the same BSC.SFLA channel to speak to their SFL and each other. In addition they have separate channel for their wingman and a separate channel (potentially) for their gunner (like intercom). Conceivably, two wingmen in B17s could have their gunners and each other included on a single channel for coordination of defensive fire.
The max number of squad vox channels (buttons) required in this example would potentially be 3 - A flight member with a wingman and gunner on board their own plane. I don't need to hear anything else from the rest of my squad, except through my flight leader (or room channel).
In asking for the flexibility to do this, I am not suggesting that it be hardcoded in a regimented fashion based on internal squad ranking or anything else. I am suggesting that it would make for more efficient ops for large squads who wanted to use it, though. That brings me to my last request.
Can we up the squad number limit to a much greater level so that some of us with squads over the current limit can get back together as one group using the same name again ? (also to benefit from squad highlighting in game, comms, etc...).
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Gents,
I'll toss in my two cents here and say that I find it disappointing that "Channel 1" has been turned off in the latest beta. While it's true that a small percentage of pilots use it as a sophmoric release vehicle for vulgarity, most of the time I find it filled with wit and humor.
I personally lay the problem directly at HTCs feet, having personally brought to their attention with screenshots and film, a glaring example of its misuse by an individual using it to exemplify his command of English language profanities. HTC's response was that "we haven't had any reports of bad behavior on this individual before"...which was a total untruth as another of my squaddies had several days earlier, alerted them to the same problem.
IMHO, HTC's attempt to maintain its customer base at the cost of self-policing is at the heart of the problem, and if channel 1 has indeed been turned off as a "fix", it is a classic example of an ostrich imitation.
Regards,
Oddball
Cactus Air Force
X.O.
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Gents, the thought occurs to me as I continue reading through this thread. Defaulting "Channel 1" to a turned-off state within the game for all pilots and requiring it to be enabled with the ".unsquelch" dot command would make everyone happy.
The guys who don't want to see it and are unaware/unwilling/unable to turn it off win, and those folks who do enjoy it are kept happy as well. Everybody wins with this simple solution.
Personally, I can't understand why I'm seeing so many seasoned AW/AH veterans in here wishing to see it go the way of the dodo when one currently has the option to squelch it immediately upon entrance to the arena.
Regards,
Oddball
Cactus Air Force
X.O.
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
can we secure our squad freq. so spies can't pop in and listen to our comm's ?
If you use the dedicated "Squad" vox channel (from drop down list in the Vox window) then it is private to only squad members. If you use a number channel, it is free for anyone to tune to and I can't see that changing. :)
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so why is it back on?
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Wouldn't worry me in the least if Ch 1 was closed for good. Seems to be more a channel for people to rant and whine then for anything constructive.
One particular muppet today spent a good part of his time whining and calling everyone else losers plus the odd FU. Hardly good for the game especially when someone else had his son playing.
If there was a poll I'd say close it, save me having to squelch the thing.
...-Gixer
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"I can't understand why I'm seeing so many seasoned AW/AH veterans in here wishing to see it go the way of the dodo..."
Only speaking for myself ...
Channel one has, for the past two years, has dragged the atmosphere in AH down to the 4th grade recess level.
I imagine that can't be very good for new business especially when new players have it forced on them when they log on. I bet most don't even know they can turn it off. Regardless when they ask for help of any kind they get a cacauphony of "RTFM" or "ALT -F4!" replies.
Also as to why I think channel one being gone is a GOOD thing? I'm an adult and I wish to participate online with other adults in a more mature atmosphere. Not online in an arena that resembles a relaxed realism playground dominated by loud, obnoxious and crass adolescents or 34 yr olds acting like they're 14.
So IMO HiTech and Pyro taking away the soap box for jeuvinile grandtsaning and ill mannered was a GOOD thing. Sure makes the MA a heck of alot more appealing and if they could "fix" now implement a fix for the "pork&auger" disease I could see subscriptions from ex-players increasing. By one anyway.
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I have no real preference, but I am curious about one thing. If channel 1 is permanently squelched, then what's the point of channel 1? I guess you'll remove it from the list of available channels? But that makes no sense ...
By default, I'm guessing you will have radio 1 untuned, radio 2 to country, radio 3 to local and radio 4 untuned ... is that right? Will channel 1 be a valid private channel?
curly
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..Except, now the jerkoffs contact you on private channel to sling mud, cuss, swear and harrass.
If we screen capture that shi* and send it to HTC, can we get those pukes banned from the game?
The distasteful people are not always the childish, or newbies users. Rather, the ranks of the "veterans" contain some of the most offending people who just can't wait to put down everyone else who took a shot them.
And IMO, they do more damage to the game and to the community, than the entire kiddies+n00bs combined.
Somehow, they seem to think the "gaming skill" bucket is linked to the "influence inside the society" bucket, which seems to be why they think they can afford to be so 'vocal', and get away with it without being punished like everyone else.
IMO, get rid of those 'veteran tards', and the minor n00b rants and "nice HO" slants can be tolerated without much further ado. If HT is really this firm about keeping the arena air clear, then I think he should start with smiting the dinkhats who have so long evaded punishment and harassed people on a regular basis, and caused tons of grief and disgust to great many people who wish to enjoy this game.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
..Except, now the jerkoffs contact you on private channel to sling mud, cuss, swear and harrass.
If we screen capture that shi* and send it to HTC, can we get those pukes banned from the game?
The distasteful people are not always the childish, or newbies users. Rather, the ranks of the "veterans" contain some of the most offending people who just can't wait to put down everyone else who took a shot them.
And IMO, they do more damage to the game and to the community, than the entire kiddies+n00bs combined.
Somehow, they seem to think the "gaming skill" bucket is linked to the "influence inside the society" bucket, which seems to be why they think they can afford to be so 'vocal', and get away with it without being punished like everyone else.
IMO, get rid of those 'veteran tards', and the minor n00b rants and "nice HO" slants can be tolerated without much further ado. If HT is really this firm about keeping the arena air clear, then I think he should start with smiting the dinkhats who have so long evaded punishment and harassed people on a regular basis, and caused tons of grief and disgust to great many people who wish to enjoy this game.
Right on the money sir
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Originally posted by Oddball-CAF
Gents,
I'll toss in my two cents here and say that I find it disappointing that "Channel 1" has been turned off in the latest beta. While it's true that a small percentage of pilots use it as a sophmoric release vehicle for vulgarity, most of the time I find it filled with wit and humor.
I personally lay the problem directly at HTCs feet, having personally brought to their attention with screenshots and film, a glaring example of its misuse by an individual using it to exemplify his command of English language profanities. HTC's response was that "we haven't had any reports of bad behavior on this individual before"...which was a total untruth as another of my squaddies had several days earlier, alerted them to the same problem.
IMHO, HTC's attempt to maintain its customer base at the cost of self-policing is at the heart of the problem, and if channel 1 has indeed been turned off as a "fix", it is a classic example of an ostrich imitation.
Regards,
Oddball
Cactus Air Force
X.O.
Ya know, calling someone a liar is not very nice.
How do You know nothings been done ?
Do You happen to know what the workload is like at HTC right now ?
Do You know how many films/screenshots they get a day to review?
I know the several times I've reported someone, backed up with evidence (a short film ) it's takin care of, usually within a week or so.
I doubt HTC gonna ban someone for 1 or 2 complaints, but I garuntee ya 12 send in a film something will be done:aok
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Found CH 1 turned on again , and this morning Kev and others were able to help me and we did testing and compared results over CH 1 , ..... this testing went on for almost an hour and , the result was.... that I was able to make continual HO pass's thru dog fights that were being fought by the Knights and Bish players
"flying as a Rook " and was able to see and test results of video card in game settings . No one from either side fired a shot at my Tempest !!! . because I was able to ask for and get help from both sides . in the AH 2 arena . only jab I got on CH 1 was " who is in The spac ship pilot in Tempest ? must be a ROOK ! ... LOL
I answered It's me , ALT helps make up for my crappy flying skills alittle ! . Good fun !!!
Any way thanks to the open Channel ONE and the great Beta testers CREW on board in AH 2 this morning , my Screen freeze problems are history , the results and settings changes made with "others " help thru CH 1 have seemed to have corrected the problems and struggle I have had ingame since Beta 36 release .
Again I want to thank you people who were in the Arena this morning helping me sort this out " In real time "
Best Regards
CHECKERS
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Tuning 200 seems to work fine, and it makes the all-country voice option the user's choice instead of a game default. If any of the all-player chat ever turns litigious, this should help fireproof Aces High.
It is much more immersive to fly without the deluge of all-country personal chat that often has nothing to do with the game. Eliminates a lot of screen clutter.
Especially for those so concerned with perk points and no external views, not automatically hearing (viewing) enemy radio chat is a lot more realistic (a Tokyo Rose might be an exception).
Humble sticks like me now can better enjoy our occasional victories over the minority of motor mouths whose whines are louder than their achievements.
Even were getting a little too expected. Now a truly exceptional encounter still can be acknowledged, and the extra effort will make it more special instead of routine.
Excellent explanations by HiTech and Pyro. Always impressive how Aces High keeps positively evolving.
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(Kweassa wrote the following:)
..Except, now the jerkoffs contact you on private channel to sling mud, cuss, swear and harrass.
If we screen capture that shi* and send it to HTC, can we get those pukes banned from the game?
The distasteful people are not always the childish, or newbies users. Rather, the ranks of the "veterans" contain some of the most offending people who just can't wait to put down everyone else who took a shot them.
And IMO, they do more damage to the game and to the community, than the entire kiddies+n00bs combined.
Somehow, they seem to think the "gaming skill" bucket is linked to the "influence inside the society" bucket, which seems to be why they think they can afford to be so 'vocal', and get away with it without being punished like everyone else.
IMO, get rid of those 'veteran tards', and the minor n00b rants and "nice HO" slants can be tolerated without much further ado. If HT is really this firm about keeping the arena air clear, then I think he should start with smiting the dinkhats who have so long evaded punishment and harassed people on a regular basis, and caused tons of grief and disgust to great many people who wish to enjoy this game.
(end of Kweassa quote)
Bravo, Kweassa! A good friend of mine, when we were talking about on-line sims, reminded me that there are a few people in most situations who get their jollies primarily by agitating and causing trouble.
Essentially attention-starved, nothing satisfies them -- winning, losing, tying -- except making other people unhappy. For whatever internal problem they have, they want only to bring others down to their dissatisfied level.
Good thing 99.99% of us in Aces High are not this way, right?
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Originally posted by Kweassa
..Except, now the jerkoffs contact you on private channel to sling mud, cuss, swear and harrass.
If we screen capture that shi* and send it to HTC, can we get those pukes banned from the game?
The distasteful people are not always the childish, or newbies users. Rather, the ranks of the "veterans" contain some of the most offending people who just can't wait to put down everyone else who took a shot them.
And IMO, they do more damage to the game and to the community, than the entire kiddies+n00bs combined.
Somehow, they seem to think the "gaming skill" bucket is linked to the "influence inside the society" bucket, which seems to be why they think they can afford to be so 'vocal', and get away with it without being punished like everyone else.
IMO, get rid of those 'veteran tards', and the minor n00b rants and "nice HO" slants can be tolerated without much further ado. If HT is really this firm about keeping the arena air clear, then I think he should start with smiting the dinkhats who have so long evaded punishment and harassed people on a regular basis, and caused tons of grief and disgust to great many people who wish to enjoy this game.
Very well said Kweassa, you are exactly right.
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What about enabling ch1 only if you tune to it (like the nr channels) ?
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Kewassa, I.E. you wish nothing changed, we have allways taken care of problems when people send us film or screen shots of problem text. And like always we do not respond to the complainer about it when we recieve the email. We just take care of the problem how best we see fit, some times with a warning email, some times closeing the account. Some times in other forms.
We have a different view than the person complaining, normaly they wish to see someone "punished". We have no desire to punish anyone , we just want to end the problem.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Flossy
If you use the dedicated "Squad" vox channel (from drop down list in the Vox window) then it is private to only squad members. If you use a number channel, it is free for anyone to tune to and I can't see that changing. :)
Thanks Flossy, I had forgotten about this function entirely. Our squad never uses it (and uses a number channel) because our squad is larger than the current squad size limit and can't use that dedicated squad vox channel for everyone in the flight. At least the private channel would help (if squad limit size allowed us all to form up together again).
thanks...
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DANG I LIKE DISSING THAT HOING IDIOT! I LIKE SAYING
TO A GOOD FIGHT DAMNET HITECH DAMNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Stratocaster
DANG I LIKE DISSING THAT HOING IDIOT! I LIKE SAYING TO A GOOD FIGHT DAMNET HITECH DAMNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like someone found out their gourmet coffee was switched with Folgers.
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I sent in a snapshot of a privated rant I did not appreciate and received an almost instant response re: this person from the crew at HTC.
What was done about it is not known to me. But others saw part of the rant when that person took it onto all, and responded on my behalf as well. Even urged me to report it. Others may have reported it as well as many claimed that person frequently did that.
Haven't seen that handle around since then though. But haven't been looking for it either.
IMHO the matter was handled.
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Kewassa, I.E. you wish nothing changed, we have allways taken care of problems when people send us film or screen shots of problem text. And like always we do not respond to the complainer about it when we recieve the email. We just take care of the problem how best we see fit, some times with a warning email, some times closeing the account. Some times in other forms.
We have a different view than the person complaining, normaly they wish to see someone "punished". We have no desire to punish anyone , we just want to end the problem.
HiTech//
I agree with HTC here.
I don't actually wish anyone punished either. I just want the abusiveness to stop. If HTC has to get rough it's on the person committing the abuse, not the community, not HTC, nor will I accept the responsibilty, IMHO.
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I'm new to AH, but I have flown in other flight sims on and off for 8 years. I must agree with pyro, the comments typed over ch1 has gotten worse over the years. I suppose it's due to a couple of things such as arena size getting larger and the security of being able to hide behide a computer. Unfortuately this is not an easy issue to take on with out affecting everyones game play. I think this change is only a short term solution though. Personally I would rather see certain players designated as moderators that have the ability to mute or kick out players that are harassing others. Let the cummunity police itself.
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Keeping channel one open is going to be problematic.
It was back up last night, after a three-day hiatus, but after only 15 minutes I was obliged to squelch it, because of all the junior-high newbs using their "suck something" language.
On the other hand, I really like being able to converse with the more mannerly and eloquent enemy pilots.
What a shame.
Shuckins/Leggern
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>>>Ya know, calling someone a liar is not very nice.
I just call 'em like I see 'em.
>>>How do You know nothings been done ?
Because I've seen this individual back in the air.
>>>Do You happen to know what the workload is like at HTC >>>right now ?
No. They don't seem to post in here that I can see. I would imagine you could tell me, however, since you've appear to be "in the know".
>>>Do You know how many films/screenshots they get a day to >>review?
11 ?
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Keep it closed!!!!
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Originally posted by bongo
Keep it closed!!!!
no....
i vote that they TEST it closed in the current AHI arena. depending on result, THEN close it from day one in AHII release?
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>> but after only 15 minutes I was obliged to squelch it, because of all the junior-high newbs using their "suck something" language. <<
Lets keep the apples apart from the oranges. Different age groups are going to have their own dialect, and if isn't outright profane, I see no problem with it. Whether it "bites" or "sucks" is more a matter of age than etiquette. You really have to mentaly participate to stretch those phrases into being profane, and then - SHAME ON YOU! Get out of the gutter.
Edit: oops - just reread it. And if "something" isn't a lemon, egg, or some other food or drink, I can see your point.
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Originally posted by Oddball-CAF
>>>Ya know, calling someone a liar is not very nice.
I just call 'em like I see 'em.
>>>How do You know nothings been done ?
Because I've seen this individual back in the air.
>>>Do You happen to know what the workload is like at HTC >>>right now ?
No. They don't seem to post in here that I can see. I would imagine you could tell me, however, since you've appear to be "in the know".
>>>Do You know how many films/screenshots they get a day to >>review?
11 ?
No, I'm not "in the know"
I do know that any time I send a film in, it gets takin care of.
And, btw, just because they don'tpost does'nt mean they don't read it
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another good thing about channel one would be, when the first AHII verion 1 comes out, people will be able to get help on ch1 about settings etc err....maybe...hmm alt f4!!! :(