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Title: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2020, 09:12:23 AM
Please forgive me if this has been mentioned before, I'd like to start flying again but I just don't see myself glued to the monitor every night of the week like I used to in AW and AH.

These days though I'd love to be able to pop in pop out in the main arena when time permits.  Any chance or my wish if you will is to be able to pay lets say $5.00 a month to select one fighter (from a list by HT) and be able to fly, something like a F4U, a 51, a KI something capable.

To expand it maybe for $10 a month one fighter, one bomber and one GV (Tank with Gun, again something capable)

Sorry I know $15 isn't that much by itself but for a retired guy the spent dollars all add up, especially for something not really used a whole lot.

Who knows the above may even make a gentler entry point for new players wanting to get in and try it out for more than the two weeks.

My biggest concern would be that it would require too much accounting (programming to make it work) on HT's part

Just a thought, thanks for your patience, thoughts and understanding, best wishes to all

Hungry (Hungry or Eldo in game, I think that's the last handles I used in AH, Mims from the 4th FG in AW and early AH)
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 11:32:26 AM
i think it would be a good way to boost the numbers, but you need a mechanic that encourages people to convert to the full paid subscription.

i really like the idea of a letting some free players into the arena, the number of players is really critical for this game.

i think the problem is you cant just let them have p51's and spit16's for free because then there is no compelling reason to pay. and there are some non zero percentage of people who would downgrade from 15-5$ which doesnt help.

and people would get pretty frustrated in nothing but spit 1's or other low eny planes.

then you get the argument that it's pay to win. which people are just morally opposed to.

i think maybe one idea could be give them a random aircraft (weighted toward competitive but not uber planes_ and never a perk plane) and base skins only.change the aircraft every flight as long as it has been 30 min since the last change.you could even charge them a one time fee to buy the game.


example , buy access to the main arena for a one time fee (or ideally free) , but the game picks your plane, you dont earn perks, you cant have skins. youd get some people hooked, who would convert to full memebers, and increase traffic at the same time.

of course it would be better to solve the new player retention problem also, but i think cost is a huge factor in that.
just more probably bad ideas/

Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: hitech on February 18, 2020, 11:40:55 AM
The only thing I have ever thought about like you are requesting would be a 1 day pays type thing.

HiTech
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: bustr on February 18, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
A popup when you sign in to use your credit card for a fixed one day charge. Interesting and might work. Would it be possible to purchase "One Day Credits" ahead of time then on login input one of those? Then somewhere on their client side a 24 hour timer ticks down that day credit.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
Do credit card company's still charge 1.5% per transaction to the vendor?  If so the fewer of those the better.  I would think a flat monthly fee might be better in terms of the potential number of transactions and I wouldn't have to concern myself with how much credit I have.  One monthly would fall back to autopay to HTC.

And ps in regards to Toasted, I don't want anything uber, that's the penalty so to say for not going full $15.  I think the last two planes I used on a regular basis was the F6F and the KI84, but you're also right though, what would stop someone from downgrading their account, not good.

Rough numbers how much would a 1 day pay cost?

For me I'm just looking for one plane per month, next month I might pick a different one from the "list available" whatever they are, or stay with the same one. 

The side affect might be for a newcomer a month in the same plane might help their development, again just a thought.

Thanks

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 01:07:03 PM
the pay per day thing could be good.I know there are people who would play but cant justify the 15$ a month for a few flights.

one thing that can be annoying for the player base is how you count time, if i buy a day access do i get 24 hours of in game time, or 24 hours of real time.(something to think about pros/.cons both sides)it may be better to charge per flight, (maybe some game mechanic that gives you a redo if you dont make it off the ground)
it probably has to be 24 hours of real time, but you will frustrate some players like that. the whole "i paid for 24 hours but only played 1" thing.

I'd still like to see some thought given to a free option to allow people in the arena. and i kind of like how games like say heroes and generals work from a marketing perspective.
i totally understand being opposed to the idea, but i really think some variation of these things are at least worth looking into.

give players access to the absolute minimum, like one eny 40 plane, tank,bomber for free. let players earn points in game to unlock flights in better planes, (basically everything becomes a perk plane for free members) make it take a good amount of perks to fly one. this will give people a chance to save up and try new rides, while keeping them playing in the arena.
players could in theory just play enough to not have to pay, but the trick is it forces them to play which is good for numbers and activity.
then you could sell perk point packages, or monthly subscriptions.
free players could earn enough to get a flight in a p51- or could just buy seat time (by purchasing tokens or perk points) without breaking the bank.
a lot of players would opt to pay the 15$ just for unrestricted access to everything.

even if you could buy single flights in any plane for $1 (hell .50C) a lot of those people would probably be spending more than 15$ a month and it may be easier to convince them to go with the plan.

make skins and weapon packages extra points to unlock also for free members.

i also think making people work to unlock skins and maybe loadouts could be an option to engage players a bit. you'd be suprised how long some people will grind doing some very un fun stuff just for a little bling.


Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: AKKuya on February 18, 2020, 01:20:21 PM
The $14.95 a month is the best method.  50 cents a day on average. 

You put in your CC info and select 2 or 3 dollars for a 24 hour period and get a few sorties to quench your AH thirst.  Repeat each time during the month as your schedule allows.  That might work until you look at your bank statement and see 10 dollars total.  That's what you see on your account.

A business pays a percentage on each transaction.  They don't receive the full amount that's deducted from your account.  From that 10 dollars, the business might receive 8 dollars and 12 cents pending charges and rates.

Having the 14.95 as a steady number per account, this should keep all the rates and charges on an even keel.  This allows HT to keep the 14.95 model going.

Of course, this is an easy example of transactions.  Only Dale knows the true financial numbers with the banks and CC companies.


Alternate Payment Options:
1) Case of HT's favorite alcohol
2) Complimentary European vacation
3) Year's supply of Charmin tissue

Think barter system.

 
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2020, 01:27:51 PM
I just realized one downside to pick a plane a month that could be turned into an incentive to go full bore.  With pick a plane you probably cant be included in any FSO, WW1 or other events that require specific plane sets, (Pacific stays free) however that could be a great incentive for new folks to move up once they feel comfortable enough to do so.

I can see the email blast now to all of the 5 and 10 dollar subscriptions a few months down the road, Upgrade Now! and get full access to all planes, GV'S and all of our player events by subscribing now to a full membership.  In addition if you subscribe within the next two weeks we'll give you 6 months of all access Aces High 3 for the price of only 5 !!

PS the fewer transactions the better for everyone

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 01:38:31 PM
The $14.95 a month is the best method.  50 cents a day on average. 

the 15$ a month should be the best method, just i'm not sure it should be the only method.

we are leaving a lot of players by the wayside.  and while 15$ a month may seem reasonable to you (or me), that is a large psychological barrier to a lot of people. and  just more than some others can afford.

however i really believe you could get 50c a day or more out of a lot  of the "free" players especially once you got them hooked.

one of the issues is getting new players hooked, you need them to spend enough time in the game, and a few free aircraft would do that.
then you start upselling them.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
also i came from the steam version, check the steam reviews. (im sure hitech has)

it seems 4 of 5 of the bad reviews are directly related to the $15 month charge.

and i get there point, aces high says free to play.

and technically that is true. but the only draw this game has is the online content. and that is not free.
even the two week trial is marginal at best for enticing players.
the offline stuff is fine and all but if your playing single player by yourself then other games do that better.

the strength of aces high is the online battles.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2020, 01:50:56 PM
15 dollars a month to me is like buying a great steak for 15 dollars eating only half and leaving the rest go to waste in the refrigerator until you pull it and give it to the dog.  I just don't anticipate that I would play enough to get the value out of my money and whether I can afford it or not is not in question.

If you charged 50 cents a day selectively or randomly as I was able to play on a multi transactional level and I played just 12 times to pick a number during the month, 12 transactions for HT would be ridiculous along with 12 transactions on my credit card or debit card bank statements

I was hoping for something much simpler

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
the solution for that is to let you buy blocks of days at a time.

i still dont think its a net win.
i bet there are quite a few people who only play on weekends.
this would probably have the net effect of converting full time subscribers to part time.

i would think that if subscribers are paying 50c a day then non subscribers would have to be  more to be worth it for hitech.
so maybe 1$ a day to fly, but then if your flying your 12 flights a month your saving 3$ vs a monthly subscription.that may be good for you.
at 50c a day per day i for one would probably go to only playing on weekends to get my fix in and save a few bucks.

where at 15$ i play a bit extra because i enjoy it and want to get my money worth.

something like this could work, but i still think a lot of the player base already only plays a few days a month. and that this alone would not be a net win.
though it may make up for it by more part time players.

mostly just playing devils advocate here,

im totally for anything that gets more players in game, and cost is a huge factor.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: hitech on February 18, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
It would be in the $5 a day range if I would implement something like this.

HiTech
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
well done microtransactions, may be more productive. i know i know, microtransactions is a dirty word to some people.
but i've seen it work.and it can be done well.


this is one of the better videos that explains some of the bonuses of the idea for annyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

and has some really great ideas.that have proven themselves, just check nearly any modern game.

like maybe a limited number of free lives every day(i would say 3). which both helps people get hooked, and gives them incentive to get better, or pay for more time.




Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: CptTrips on February 18, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
It would be in the $5 a day range if I would implement something like this.

HiTech

I suggest $16 a day.   :t

Just kidding.

An ad hoc payment system might be a cool way to lure back some veterans to participate in events.  Extra points if it is tied into the event registration.  So you can go to register for the event and if you are not a subscriber, you can pay $5 and you're in and your day is set ahead of time to be the day of the event.


$0.02.

Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Shuffler on February 18, 2020, 04:40:20 PM
LOL at steam types complaining about 15 a month. That is all you need to know about that.   :rofl
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Wiley on February 18, 2020, 04:52:19 PM
LOL at steam types complaining about 15 a month. That is all you need to know about that.   :rofl

They're used to paying less for what they perceive as more.  That's the market these days, and there just aren't that many people who are gung ho for arena based vehicular PvP.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Devil 505 on February 18, 2020, 05:18:59 PM
They're used to paying less for what they perceive as more.  That's the market these days, and there just aren't that many people who are gung ho for arena based vehicular PvP.

Wiley.

Sure there are. The problem is that they're mostly playing World of Planes/Tanks/Ships or WarBlunder. Even worse is that they think those games are good.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Wiley on February 18, 2020, 05:30:17 PM
Sure there are. The problem is that they're mostly playing World of Planes/Tanks/Ships or WarBlunder. Even worse is that they think those games are good.

That's round based PvP though.  Whole different ball of wax.  Most people don't want a setup like AH or PS2.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 05:54:42 PM
Sure there are. The problem is that they're mostly playing World of Planes/Tanks/Ships or WarBlunder. Even worse is that they think those games are good.

and im going to make a wild guess that having large amounts of free content gives them a large advantage in numbers.and they probably do a decent job of converting free players to paid players.(i mean they keep making them, adding stuff to them, and the forums are active)
and they have modes (if not the entire games) to cater to the lowest possible denominator.
so kids and noobs have a chance.

Aces high has some of the absolute best large scale air combat for sim type flyers. and it has a lot going for it once you are proficient.
but there is a huge learning curve, and it feels dated. there is a very slim chance your average high schooler  is even going to give aces high a serious look.

to most young people its going to feel horribly outdated to begin with, add in the 15$ a month subscription (How many subscription based MMOS are still around, 1,2? WOW and Final Fantasy maybe, though WOW lets you earn free time.)

and sure you may no want a bunch of youngins runnin around, but there are only so many old retired flight sim guys available.


no one may like the idea, but everyone seems to disregard the people who play those types of games. or fortnight or call of duty.
however that is where the new blood is, and what you have to compete with.

the trick would be to entice them without ruining the core game


Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: AKKuya on February 18, 2020, 07:37:53 PM
Aces High is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!

One massive content game to play Offline and access to a few servers to interact with other players.

15 bucks a month for access to the Melee (24/7), Axis vs Allied and both SEA 1 and 2.  That's a steal.

Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
It would be in the $5 a day range if I would implement something like this.

HiTech

Thanks for responding, looks like the joystick and throttle go back into the basement storage

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 18, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
It would be in the $5 a day range if I would implement something like this.

HiTech

Hitech, you'd be better off doing a $1 per hour, if possible.  Would be a great promotion.

ps. please put a new video or something on the front page of the website, or promote special events on the front page, would be cool and attract attention. The current video doesnt do justice and it sort of looks like nothing is going on.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: The Fugitive on February 18, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
It would be in the $5 a day range if I would implement something like this.

HiTech

$5 a day isnt any kind of a deal. 3 days vs a full month for the same price? I guess you'll see lots of folks putting their gear back into storage. $5 a week, that might work out for some. From what you can read on the boards the subscription is one of the biggest things chasing away new players. I'd thing that would be one of the things you might want to revamp or rework to try and help to keep new players more than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
Aces High is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!

One massive content game to play Offline and access to a few servers to interact with other players.

15 bucks a month for access to the Melee (24/7), Axis vs Allied and both SEA 1 and 2.  That's a steal.

yes, it is. But, that is not what most people are expecting. the free part of aces high is not engaging at all and offers nothing over any other choice.
as just a free flight sandbox by yourself it does not have much to get peoples attention.it is not engaging for players. i submit that very few people will use the free version long enough to get hooked on the game.

the two week trial helps some, but even that isnt enough to set the hook.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
LOL at steam types complaining about 15 a month. That is all you need to know about that.   :rofl
your right since they spend more than $15 a month, paying $15 instead for aces high should be no problem.except it is.
the perception matters.

and there's the rub though. tons of steam player blow more than 15$ a month on games.
 there were 15 million logged in steam users today at peak. steam says 69% of its playerbase are paying customers. at an average of 264$ a year per gamer.

15$ per month is not a huge amount to get out of your average steam player, but it is a huge psychological barrier.

final fantasy is the only MMO i can find that requires a subscription AND has no free to play content. at 13$ a month.it is also a huge game with constant ongoing development. and the final fantasy name is a household one.

why do no modern games base themselves on a subscription service?

i'm not saying ditch the subscription model completely either. but lets not fool ourselves. it is a huge barrier to entry for most people because of perceived value.so they dont give it a chance. where those same people would willingly be handing over payments for everything from flying to skins.




Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: hazmatt on February 18, 2020, 09:32:44 PM
This may have been brought up before but I couldn't find it so here goes.

Why would it not work to offer a free to play 40 ENY plane to get more players. Or maybe a country of planes. You could get the German 40 ENY planes or the British ones etc. Or maybe all of the 40 ENY planes for free.

While flying free plans you could accrue perk points but you would have to subscribe to use them.

I think this could bring new players and I doubt most of us who are willing and able to support the game at $15 a month are gong to cancel our accounts to go fly some 40ENY planes.

I guess I just don't understand why it wouldn't increase the numbers and the revenue.

 

Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 18, 2020, 09:47:51 PM
This may have been brought up before but I couldn't find it so here goes.

Why would it not work to offer a free to play 40 ENY plane to get more players. Or maybe a country of planes. You could get the German 40 ENY planes or the British ones etc. Or maybe all of the 40 ENY planes for free.

While flying free plans you could accrue perk points but you would have to subscribe to use them.

I think this could bring new players and I doubt most of us who are willing and able to support the game at $15 a month are gong to cancel our accounts to go fly some 40ENY planes.

I guess I just don't understand why it wouldn't increase the numbers and the revenue.

some people complained it wouldnt help because noobs would just get murdered in 40 env planes and wouldnt stay around.

but I think that's hogwash. I think you'd get the types you wanted, the competitive ones to stay.

make the 40 env planes free and drop the two week trial for a one week one.or ditch it completely. but make it so they can delay the start of the trial for a bit.

I'd also add a $1 per flight token.

and I'd have some method of letting people earn a free flight every now and again.

my bet is new player conversion to subscriber ratio would increase enough to more than cover the free guys in the 40 env planes. and you'd ideally be milking the free guys a bit at a time also.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 19, 2020, 09:26:41 AM
Sorry HiTech one more question, do you offer a Senior Citizen discount? AW and ACES are the only two I've ever played and I'd really like to come back in some fashion to Aces, C'mon throw us old guys a bone will ya (67 this November)

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: popeye on February 19, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
Sorry HiTech one more question, do you offer a Senior Citizen discount?

I'd guess that a Senior Discount would have quite an impact on the HTC bottom line.   :old:
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 19, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
$5 for 5 hours with a week to use those hours.

Boom. There you have it.

If you say $5 a day. That means they could play for 24 hours (hypothetically) or only play 2 hours. Not sure how you pay for players on a server, but I think them paying for hours would be more beneficial. Then players could have micro cost for time playing that week, rather than only a single day to play.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: guncrasher on February 19, 2020, 04:11:01 PM
would be cool i guess, buy 12 hours for 5 bucks to be used within 1 or 2 weeks from first login.



semp
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Shuffler on February 19, 2020, 05:03:19 PM
Do I get a discount if I know the secret handshake?


LOL I paid over a year and did not even play when my home was flooded after Harvey.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 19, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
If HT had a way to check he'd find that since AW closed I've paid far, far more than I've played month after month, but those days are over.  What I've asked for is more than a reasonable question, but hey keep throwing the one liners out there, they really contribute a lot to an adult conversation.

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Wiley on February 19, 2020, 05:31:03 PM
If HT had a way to check he'd find that since AW closed I've paid far, far more than I've played month after month, but those days are over.  What I've asked for is more than a reasonable question, but hey keep throwing the one liners out there, they really contribute a lot to an adult conversation.

Hungry

The important thing is you got to have your "adult conversation" and say HT's answer wasn't good enough for you and announce your departure.  :aok

Wiley.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 19, 2020, 05:35:14 PM
Just to keep it straight, I had a follow up question, is that ok with you? and no its not an announcement of my departure as you put it, I haven't played or paid for quite awhile, I was looking for a way back in, are you saying I shouldn't bother?

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Oldman731 on February 19, 2020, 07:34:03 PM
Just to keep it straight, I had a follow up question, is that ok with you? and no its not an announcement of my departure as you put it, I haven't played or paid for quite awhile, I was looking for a way back in, are you saying I shouldn't bother?


Hey, fellow old guy:  Chill.  We'd like you to come back.  Figure out a way to do it.  In the meanwhile, you starting this thread has produced some new ideas.  Feel good about that.

But get your butt back here.  We need every old guy we can get.

- oldman
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 19, 2020, 08:08:02 PM
Hey, thanks Oldman appreciate the kind words, I'm working on it.  Hope to hear more from HT, lol, did the Senior Citizen discount question really sound that bad, lol.  Maybe I could sign back up and get a discount through AARP not Steam

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Shuffler on February 20, 2020, 02:05:49 AM
Just to keep it straight, I had a follow up question, is that ok with you? and no its not an announcement of my departure as you put it, I haven't played or paid for quite awhile, I was looking for a way back in, are you saying I shouldn't bother?

Hungry

Nothing wrong with asking your question in the OP.  I posted a response to other post in this thread and explained my experience.

No reason for you to get off kilter. We would like to see you back.

I dropped AARP when they showed their true face.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: hazmatt on February 20, 2020, 03:25:58 AM
buttface?
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: FLOOB on February 20, 2020, 09:07:21 AM
It should go back to $30 a month. At the least it should come with the disclaimer, "Not recommended for the unemployed". Honestly if $15 a month is a problem for you, you should be concerning yourself with more important things than video game prices.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 20, 2020, 10:13:47 AM
Another Aces High cliché, misguided assumption ? " Honestly if $15 a month is a problem for you, you should be concerning yourself with more important things than video game prices."

I tried to make it clear in the opening and subsequent posts that its NOT, that I cant afford the $15, yes I watch my money as anyone who is retired should.

Once again the issue is and if you read my half a steak comment I wouldn't have to repeat myself, the issue is playing time, if I play a few hours here and there randomly during the course of a month which I would like to be able to do, is their a reduced pricing plan that might accommodate it rather than paying full price. In todays economy that's a universal question we should be asking and probably are asking every day. What is the value for money spent.  If I were to be glued to the monitor like the old days night after night, no question about it, a completely different story.

It seemed like such a simple question and if it helped entry level players get their feet wet great.

Hungry
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Lazerr on February 20, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
It should go back to $30 a month. At the least it should come with the disclaimer, "Not recommended for the unemployed". Honestly if $15 a month is a problem for you, you should be concerning yourself with more important things than video game prices.

I think the problem we have here is not what $15 means to anyone.. its what you get for $15.  Just my opinion.  The action you get out of this awesome game it pretty limited, and chokes itself out with some of the game mechanics.  Again, my opinion.  You know what they say about opinions..
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: toasted on February 20, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
It should go back to $30 a month. At the least it should come with the disclaimer, "Not recommended for the unemployed". Honestly if $15 a month is a problem for you, you should be concerning yourself with more important things than video game prices.

yea, $30 a month, lets just kill whats left of the game right now.

why do you not want the unemployed?
the younger generation?
frugal people?
old retired guys?

who then is the market, just the currently playing people?

if aces high had more players than it could reasonably deal with , raising the price would be the way to go,

as it is, aces high has an issue finding and especially keeping new players. am i wrong?
and its not a "players dont like flight sims" problem.

you have a serious "players wont give it a chance" problem.


the 15$ subscription is fine for people who are hooked.
but its hard to get people hooked into spending that 15$ a month. not because 15$ a month is more than a lot of people can afford.
no because of the perception that it is more expensive than the alternative.even if that is not the case.

most people are not going to stay around long enough to get hooked, and whether you like it or not, the fixed $15 month cost is a part of that.

this is not the 90's its a whole new generation, and its this generation you need to convince.
if im choosing to try two new games, and one is a fixed per month subscription only, and the other is "free" to at least get into. most people are going to choose the free one, even if they end up spending more than 15$ month to be competitive.

players are a commodity, even a free player on the server who never makes a purchase has value.


lets be clear i want hitech to make money, thats good for everyone involved.

i just think there are options worth looking at that would increase player count and revenue.
the subscription model is fine, but it shouldn't be the only option.


lets give a real world example,

im an engineer, in my early 30's. this makes me on the younger side of the in game players.(this alone should tell you something)
I have a full time job generous amounts of free time and a good salary. $15 a month is a drop in the bucket to me.i regulary spend more than 15$ a month on games without thinking about it.but the 15$ subscription still seemed like a lot based on what i saw. with other games im not locked into that cost, and yet i still avg more than the aces high subscription per month without thinking about it. there is a huge psychological barrier that is a very real thing for most regular people.
perceived value is important, actual value is not as important.
and lets be clear i feel aces high does AIR COMBAT better than the alternatives. and air combat is what im looking for. and i also like the open world mmo style approach.
but if i hadn't already been exposed to it when i was younger and had an idea of what i was getting into i wouldnt even have given it a shot. like i wouldnt even have installed it.
even after my two week trial i was unsure. it was fun , but i wasnt very good, and there were other options. one night the couple main games i was playing all needed an update and my internet is slow and the updates were all huge,rather then wait i went ahead and signed up. by the end of the month i had gotten were i felt i could hold my own against an avg guy at least part of the time. the challenge is what hooked me.
but it took a special set of circumstances to get me there.
and there has to be a better way.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: popeye on February 20, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Kids these days...!   :old:

Why, I remember paying $6 per HOUR to play Air Warrior on GEnie.  (That would be about $12 per hour in today's money.)   :O
 
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: AKKuya on February 20, 2020, 04:35:06 PM
I remember an arcade game was set to take a quarter and gave you a few minutes of gameplay.  When the timer was getting close to 0, you had to put another quarter in the slot for added time regardless of your progress or how many lives you still had left.  Sure miss the '80s.  :old:

After the great home video game crash of 1984, a little card playing company released the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).  All our favorite arcade games were being placed on that platform.  At this time, arcade games had better graphics and gameplay compared to Atari, Commodore, Colecovision, and Intellivision.  NES was the first to be on the equal side with the arcade game.

The '90s ushered in the PC games and better home video game systems that excelled past the arcade games.  Billions and 10s of billions of dollars were spent on this every year.  Dial up was the way we first interacted with other gamers in this time.  Mine was a PC game called Total Annihilation about robots and tanks and weird planes.  It was a new wave of fun.  I paid 10 bucks a month for access to these servers through AOL dial up.

2007 was when I began playing Aces High and the rest is history.

You're on the mindset that 15 bucks a month is too expensive for 4 sorties a month.  20 to 25 minutes of gameplay on average.  That might be a half glass empty way of thinking.

I get to play at the most 20 hours a month of gameplay and sometimes way less.  10 hours a month doing CM stuff.  I see the glass half full.

In the long run, I have spent less money on Aces High with the 15 bucks a month compared to all the quarters, and dollar bills for tokens in the arcades, home video game systems plus the individual game cartridges, and all the PC games bought.

Aces High was FREE to download.

Do you still pay for cable TV?  If you do, then how many hours you watch a month?  Is that enough to justify the huge price?

I just pay for internet access.  Then, I pat for Netflix, Hulu, CBS All Access, and Disney +.  Do I watch all that excessively?  No, I have them for my selected programming choices on their platforms.  I pay for about 35 to 40 bucks a month knowing that 3 are for TV shows that air and stream next day and one for binge watching TV shows as they become available.  Too me, that's much cheaper than cable TV plus the extra charge of DVR and remote.  I still plan on adding Amazon Prime and DC Universe at a later time.  NBC peacock is in the works with a new version of Battlestar Galactica as the flagship series along with a new Punky Brewster as a single mom with 3 kids.

I paid for Aces High even when I flew just a couple of sorties a month when my work schedule kept me from my Squad night and FSO.  Why?  I love the game.

To the guys who are thinking that 15 bucks a month is too much for a few sorties a month, then can you be in SEA1 Friday night at 10PM EST/9PM CST and tune vox 202.  Verbal discussion might shed a light and opportunity can strike with a newer appreciation. 

Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Hungry on February 20, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
Bought my first PC in 90 I think, built my first PC in I think 94 and dove right into AW, Mute had been already playing AW for quite awhile if you know Mute, he might still AH GV with the morning crew, moved to AH the day after we did the final AW flyover, Dec 2001? I paid and played for quite awhile, I also paid and didn't play for quite awhile.

Track mania, Fortnight and APEX are also free because I dont buy any extras , I think RUST and 7 Days to die were really cheap (downloaded and setup for the grandkids)

Ive been at it for a really long time that's why maybe I just have a different perspective

On the other hand if ACES had an offline component which I wish Aces had, similar to the CD version of AW with the missions I'd pay full price and buy the game.

As Toasted said perceived value, I'm not a cheapskate by any means, I donate items or money to Amvets, Goodwill, Northern Illinois Foodbank, PBS, Brookfield Zoo, Hinsdale Humane Society to name a few, lol, but maybe being a Sales Development Analyst for almost 30 years made me really overly conscious of where every dollar goes and what I get for my money. I'd be a part, part timer at best and was simply hoping for a part time alternate fee plan to play,

Maybe I should have emailed HT privately, he could have just said sorry no we don't and been done with the whole thing.  Even so I cant be the only one who looks at things this way and see's what could be benefits farther than just me
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Shuffler on February 21, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
I remember an arcade game was set to take a quarter and gave you a few minutes of gameplay.  When the timer was getting close to 0, you had to put another quarter in the slot for added time regardless of your progress or how many lives you still had left.  Sure miss the '80s.  :old:



We still have those... It's called Car Wash.  :banana:
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Bruv119 on February 21, 2020, 06:43:47 PM
Hitech, you'd be better off doing a $1 per hour, if possible.  Would be a great promotion.

ps. please put a new video or something on the front page of the website, or promote special events on the front page, would be cool and attract attention. The current video doesnt do justice and it sort of looks like nothing is going on.

now that we are promoting name in lights in the melee arena, I've always thought having the system messages scroll through the website somewhere would be cool. 

How can we use the online combat as a marketing tool to showcase that alot is happening inside the paid for arena.  It's like a locked box for people who know nothing of the game.
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: Bruv119 on February 21, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
I'd guess that a Senior Discount would have quite an impact on the HTC bottom line.   :old:

 :rofl
Title: Re: Alternate Payment Options
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 21, 2020, 09:47:33 PM
now that we are promoting name in lights in the melee arena, I've always thought having the system messages scroll through the website somewhere would be cool. 

How can we use the online combat as a marketing tool to showcase that alot is happening inside the paid for arena.  It's like a locked box for people who know nothing of the game.

Holy crap. I never realized that. If you cant log in to the MA, you have no idea what's going on... that makes it a real tough decision for some to want to subscribe again if they haven't played in a while.

Good idea! :aok