Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: Eagler on February 17, 2023, 08:35:39 AM
Title: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 17, 2023, 08:35:39 AM
Let's brainstorm here and figure out how to save what many of us find the best entertainment AH has to offer
<S> fuzeman for the years of enjoyment his hours of hosting this event have given many of us!
One idea was to make KOTH a quarterly event
Thoughts?
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 17, 2023, 04:14:53 PM
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I say ignore the newbies as most are dead within minutes of fights on and only a few if any of the newbies make it to the end of a KOTH
First, I want to say that this is not the right approach if you want to keep KOTH events going! 😉
Eagler or anyone who is willing and able should apply to be a KOTH CM....Whether it be quarterly or monthly for 2023...but as I type this according to the Aces High main website it already says KOTH will be continued to be hosted...???
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Lazerr on February 17, 2023, 04:31:29 PM
Airspawn, everyone in icons range. Once you spawn, fights on.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 17, 2023, 05:18:36 PM
I led you astray. We, at least I do, know how to restart having KOTH. Attendance! If we could guarantee 15+ people every week I’d be there! The question is - why don’t more people attend; ie your average AH player who enjoys dogfighting. I can say every month, every single one, in 2022 at T-15 minutes I wasn't sure there would be enough people to actually run the event. For TC, I don't see any KOTH’s on the 2023 calendar.
Quarterly- how you going to populate the TOC? Every other year?
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 18, 2023, 11:12:14 AM
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For TC, I don't see any KOTH’s on the 2023 calendar.
I understand what you're saying and going by, just saying why would HTC post it on that post on the Aces High website 🤔
As for increasing the participants.to show and wanting to keep coming back to participate in KOTH, all the participants like the people who are entered into the 2022 KOTH TOC event, HAVE TO AND NEED TO INVITE OTHERS TO COME GIVE "KOTH" A TRY ... THEN ENCOURAGE THEM, HELP THEM TO KEEP TRYING TO GET BETTER TO CARRY ON THE TRADITION OF PASSING IT FORWARD TO OTHERS REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE OLDER OR YOUNGER... THIS IS HOW YOU KEEP THIS EVENT GOING FORWARD! NUFF' SAID!
Provided that Someone has the balls to step up and be a KOTH CM ! 🤙
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: nopoop on February 19, 2023, 02:59:46 PM
Well for those that know me you know that I am just in this game for the fights. I love Monday night madness and love running into a one on one in the main regardless of whether I have the advantage or not.
The thing with Koth is that the participants are pretty much the best in air to air in this game.
Found Eagler in the main yesterday and new it was him because it was a lone C205. I'm game and got my donut handed to me two or three times. Love it win or lose.
With Koth it's add another nine lol. Plane choice kills it. Sorry I have never flown a stuka or most of any of the other choices that pop up.
So in competing, I go up against 9 Aces in a plane that most of the time I have no experience in..at all
Can you say intimidating ?
Not including being unfamiliar with the rules..
That doesn't spell fun to me lol
Don't see a way around it.
Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 19, 2023, 03:29:27 PM
Hey nopoop, knowing that you really enjoy the fight is the absolute main reason to participate in KOTH events!
The best way to improve your skills is to dogfight those who you think are better than yourself and continue to do it in every arena (except for special events like FSO and Scenarios where you got to really fly more cautious with your designated squad)
Yes indeed it can be very intimidating, I agree.... but if you really have the desire to improve your abilities to go up against any plane type, KOTH will really help you get there and you will learn what most all the different planes abilities are so when you play in other arenas you will know what your opponents plane will do regardless if you're flying a different plane or the same as your opponent!
STICK created and designed the KOTH event way back in AirWarrior many years ago and the older special event is Scenarios that I can recall which goes back to the early 90s...
I encourage you and anyone else that really wants to improve and see how far they can go to get to their best, to participate in KOTH and fly Monday Night Madness as well as the MA, Scenarios, FSO
And get with others that you think are better and ask them to help you with your dogfighting abilities
I'm not anywhere near the best, I am just one that loves the fight! But also I think that everyone should pay it forward as my Damned brothers helped me years ago as well as Rapier and Dragn of the Musketeers and Boozr and Mute of the 4th FG way back in AW and then they invited me to be a trainer and it just went on from there!
I hope this helps you look at it with an open mind and give it a try 😉
Cheers 🍻
TC
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 19, 2023, 03:50:26 PM
Well for those that know me you know that I am just in this game for the fights. I love Monday night madness and love running into a one on one in the main regardless of whether I have the advantage or not.
The thing with Koth is that the participants are pretty much the best in air to air in this game.
Found Eagler in the main yesterday and new it was him because it was a lone C205. I'm game and got my donut handed to me two or three times. Love it win or lose.
With Koth it's add another nine lol. Plane choice kills it. Sorry I have never flown a stuka or most of any of the other choices that pop up.
So in competing, I go up against 9 Aces in a plane that most of the time I have no experience in..at all
Can you say intimidating ?
Not including being unfamiliar with the rules..
That doesn't spell fun to me lol
Don't see a way around it.
Just my thoughts.
-{S}- nopoop and thanks for your post. Your input is what’s needed. It made about a thousand things start rattling in my coconut and I’ll have to re-read my reply a hundred times to make sure it makes sense, to you.
One thing that made noise upstairs before your post was a KOTH type event where any previous KOTH winner is not allowed to fly in. That eliminates many of the Red Barons you don’t want to fight but not all the good pilots which is a negative for you. I don’t think that would attract many though. But keep this in mind regarding that Red Baron; they may not be in ‘their’ ride, if you do it right you don’t have to fight him alone. By that I mean he may already be in a fight so it’s not you against him. You can split your SA and fight between all those in your fight but you decide who’s the most dangerous and needs to be killed first. Of course you still need to shoot others if they get in your sight but you can sort of concentrate on whomever you think is the most dangerous adversary in your engagement. Of course if they are a wabbit; which means they win and event ends with their next round win, we allow them to be ganged up on. Rules. I’ll agree it has it’s share but they’re there for good reasons and they make sense once your used to them. [ Using the iPhonie Balonie to reply and almost lost all the above. ] I better post this as I see someone else added something and I don’t want to find this sgain. I think I have more to add.
Addition 1 [ stay tuned ] Yes we fly a wide variety of planes, pretty much anything where the pilot has a gun, but you get to know those planes pros and cons and that can only help your fighter pilot foundation.
Addition 2 We need attendance. We have a CM trained and willing to host a KOTH event. I think that knuckleheads gameID is fuzeman. :bolt:
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Bopgun on February 19, 2023, 05:20:49 PM
I was seriously considering reaching out for info to become a CM and try to keep the KOTH event going month to month. Sadly I’ll be tied up for the next few months with Critical Care course for my job. Hopefully after that’s over I can help in any and all efforts to reinvigorate the KOTH event
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 19, 2023, 10:29:57 PM
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Addition 2 We need attendance. We have a CM trained and willing to host a KOTH event. I think that knuckleheads gameID is fuzeman.
We Appreciate all you do! and Love You, Dave!
Also, I am Glad that you speak your mind, rather than bite your tongue!
Edit: just for clarification before I get called on it, since I can't go back and edit a previous post... STICK only created KOTH (he did not create the Scenarios)
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 20, 2023, 08:16:56 AM
I am for previous winners of a KOTH for that year not be allowed to win it again that year...they should be able to participate though
That is why I suggested the 4th round win before previous winners became wabbits...
That is also why I don't participate at 100% 100% of the time in KOTH...I realize we need ppl to do well or no one will show up
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 20, 2023, 11:46:16 AM
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That is also why I don't participate at 100% 100% of the time in KOTH...I realize we need ppl to do well or no one will show up
Good Lord, I started doing that way back in like 2010....hahaha 👍 🤣 😂 🤣
~☆S☆~ and Cheers 🍻
TC
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 20, 2023, 06:55:05 PM
Remember there are pudknockers and donutwoods [ < poop filter LoL ] like me who give it ‘their all’ every round they could fly and maybe get to last two.
KOTH winners would hate this but similar to ganging wabbits we could allow that for any KOTH winner.
And you can’t erase posts but after thinking about that, that’s one noise in the coconut I should not have payed attention to. ‘donutwoods’ was worth it though :aok
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 25, 2023, 07:58:13 AM
Hoping for a good turn out tomorrow :airplane:
Thanks again fuzeman..see you and all you other aces then!
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 26, 2023, 01:54:44 PM
Airspawn, everyone in icons range. Once you spawn, fights on.
I actually wouldn't mind this just to give it a shot. Would save a lot of time too.
If anything, would be cool to try to have koth once a quarter atleast. Unfortunately, our kind of fighter ACM type guys just aren't around as much anymore. Unfortunately, I'm just not in the time of my life where I can know if I'll be able to play or not. My wife is a crazy planner and there are certain weekends I have to take for work.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Babablacksheep on February 26, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Just got back from ToC, it was an awesome time (if a bit short). KOTH is legitimately the only reason I still play this game so I really hope we can figure something out. I work weekends but I'd be willing to learn and host when numbers are low, since I really don't mind a series of duels, and the tighter furballs are still much more fun than anything the MA offers. Let's keep KoTH alive!
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 26, 2023, 07:35:49 PM
Monthly Matchplay?
I wouldn't want to call it KOTH as the whole wabbit hunting aspect is gone. It would need to be tested a LOT to make sure it works. I think HiTech would appreciate using that, Matchplay, seeing he did put effort into it.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 27, 2023, 08:22:28 AM
What about advertising KOTH like a scenario with a sign up page and with walk ons..
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 27, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
The main arena pop-up that week should get the attention of most players which log in there and are interested in dog-fighting. Many of those pass it by due to 1) Always fighting the Red Baron perception 2) all those rules. and I can come up with a name or two who don’t like the way I host it.
Of course that’s just my POV.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 27, 2023, 01:08:26 PM
I was just thinking if there was like a sign up/ commitment thread that more might show up..
For another idea - and I know some are against this outright - I think prizes would draw in better numbers
A free month AH would be my 1st choice but I have other ideas for incentives to try out a KOTH
I have a few items I would donate towards a winning prize if that is what it takes...from computer parts to military collectibles to die cast ww2 planes ..
With the drawback being it wouldn't happen unless a certain number of people have committed and show up
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Bopgun on February 27, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
I was just thinking if there was like a sign up/ commitment thread that more might show up..
For another idea - and I know some are against this outright - I think prizes would draw in better numbers
A free month AH would be my 1st choice but I have other ideas for incentives to try out a KOTH
I have a few items I would donate towards a winning prize if that is what it takes...from computer parts to military collectibles to die cast ww2 planes ..
With the drawback being it wouldn't happen unless a certain number of people have committed and show up
Eagler
That sounds like an interesting idea, maybe starting a KOTH prize pool?
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 27, 2023, 02:46:49 PM
Whatever it takes man!
I am sure others have good stuff to tempt ppl into trying KOTH
Something like one of these each KOTH?
Or a spare computer part ...I should have a 1070 soon I would donate to such a cause
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 28, 2023, 07:56:44 AM
Sad to me that great dog-fights and getting better at them aren't enough of a draw.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 28, 2023, 08:12:12 AM
Sad to me that great dog-fights and getting better at them aren't enough of a draw.
Me too but times and players have changed
How many would you say you need for a large enough crowd for us to ask you to host fuzeman?
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 28, 2023, 09:04:52 AM
I know the minimum set last year was 8, right.
Let me rephrase your question if I may. How many kills do you think the round winner should have to get each round? Certainly it seems to me that should be more than one kill but how many more? I also know it’s tough to pick # as that number as a recent KOTH event ended when the winner landed with 0 Ks
And, being a bit selfish, it sure would be nice if we can find a way for me to fly opposed to sitting in the tower being the only :police: keeping an eye on things.
Also I get the feeling people were seeing rule violations and not saying anything. That’s as bad as the host letting guys wing together IMO. Probably need a rule discussion also as we do have a few but I will say with my KOTH experience they are there for reasons which came up in KOTH that had to be dealt with and are valid.
Time to reheat the coffee, that turned into a longer reply than I thought it would. And I do proofread my posts for typos and try to make my responses slightly clearer than mud. That can take some time for me. :rofl Especially on the tiny iPhonie Balonie screen / keyboard.
Didn’t address prizes- shipping , compatibility, off the top of the coconut…
need coffee :bolt:
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 28, 2023, 09:21:50 AM
I like airspawns, the only thing that concerns me is the randomization of the spawns.
Also, I think the area of fight should be much smaller. Too me, it's more oriented on 1v1s most of the time, which is great, but also bad for potentially new players wanting to join. If the area of fight was smaller, it would make it more of a dogfight rather than a 1v1 match every round. I think people get too spread out and then are able to jump in a fight easily and pick or not have to be in a fight while others are, due to them flying so far out away from the center. Just some observations, not criticisms.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on February 28, 2023, 09:36:36 AM
As it is now, climbout is the only ‘free to talk’ portion of the event since elimination of Tower room channel. And it gives players time to set views in planes they haven’t flown or have changed.
And the random-ness of those spawns in Match-play is a HUGE corner KOTH looses regarding wabbit hunting.
Keep em coming… when I see a post here I throw my spaghetti against the wall and see if anything sticks with a reply.
A salesman I’m not and KNOW it. That hasn’t helped KOTH visibility. Graps a gulp of Super Coffee and hits post!
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on February 28, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
Smaller map would have changed things Sunday...it would have been a quicker event for one
We should have been in the next smaller if not smallest arena with those numbers
The flying time for some was an advantage..myself included in a round or two
I don't think a KOTH winner should win x number of kills but should have the majority of them in that event
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Simon on February 28, 2023, 10:40:50 AM
I enjoy KOTH but it starts too late and carries on too long for me to be able to participate. Anything more than an hour or two is too great of a time commitment (and too hard on the lumbar) for me personally.
On the rare occasion I've been able to get a round or two in, it's almost never an actual dogfighting plane. It usually ends up being Stukas, BF110s, or something else I never fly... :bolt:
I get the attraction to flying 'different' planes, but that doesn't work for me and is a little disappointing when it's so rare that I can actually get in on the fun.
If it were a 6pm weekly event with a 3-round maximum, I'd be there pretty much every time.
Just my opinion, and much respect and gratitude to those who organize, participate and support the event. :salute
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on March 04, 2023, 09:40:50 AM
Drinking a cup of coffee with Super Creamer while watching F1 qualifying and I had this piece of spaghetti noodle it’s way into my coconut.
But first a response, yes KOTH does use those rides and maybe that’s streaky or player related. I’d bet we flew more D3A-1s when WMLute was around and lately if HORRIDO1 wins a round there’s a good chance a Bf 110G-2 is the next ride.
And back to my spaghetti, which is slightly related to the response, the round winner’s plane choice. I know it’s a nice round win perk but it also puts the Red Baron in his most deadly ride. What if that changed? As a substitute, as it’s nice to have an alternative when you want to change something, I could have a list of most used planes in KOTH, broken into segments of six, and I could roll a die, a single dice, to pick the next round ride. If that’s too limited add another die and use the top twelve on the list.
Getting tough to type as Smokie, one of our numerous cats, wants some attention. As does Q2!
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Eagler on March 04, 2023, 10:14:21 AM
Great point fuzeman
I think the dice roll for next aircraft sounds like a very interesting idea and am all for giving it a go
2 dice would be my choice for 12 possibilities
How many rounds does a KOTH usually go?
The aircraft could be removed from the list, insuring a different plane each round with the list resetting if the number of rounds exceed the plane count
Eagler
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on March 04, 2023, 10:42:16 AM
Off the top of the coconut, which just about coincides with the center of my bald spot. :old: , I’d say between 8 to 10 rounds.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Lazerr on March 04, 2023, 11:06:26 AM
I think the Rolling the dice stuff possesses the ability to slow the event down. Especially if you or whoever is busy moderating other issues or functions of the event.
How about the first one dead picks the next ride? That easily corrects the red baron issue mentioned.
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on March 04, 2023, 12:56:49 PM
I think the Rolling the dice stuff possesses the ability to slow the event down. Especially if you or whoever is busy moderating other issues or functions of the event.
How about the first one dead picks the next ride? That easily corrects the red baron issue mentioned.
I’d dispute it would delay it more than the usual cogitation delay for winners picking next ride. I could roll the dice 8 or 10 times before the start and have a list ready.
Next step for your idea; how do I know who died first, keeping in mind I can not watch all fights. Text buffer wont help if some people are fighting near the field. I have a feeling sometime during the event if I ran it like that I’d have two guys claiming to be first one deceased. Your idea, put your CM shoes and tell me how you would decide? In it’s basic form I like first one deceased gets their choice. A little plus for the uh, hmmmm who’s the opposite of the Red Baron?
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: Lazerr on March 04, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
I’d dispute it would delay it more than the usual cogitation delay for winners picking next ride. I could roll the dice 8 or 10 times before the start and have a list ready.
Next step for your idea; how do I know who died first, keeping in mind I can not watch all fights. Text buffer wont help if some people are fighting near the field. I have a feeling sometime during the event if I ran it like that I’d have two guys claiming to be first one deceased. Your idea, put your CM shoes and tell me how you would decide? In it’s basic form I like first one deceased gets their choice. A little plus for the uh, hmmmm who’s the opposite of the Red Baron?
Yeah not sure how you'd verify that unless you could see the logs in real time. I have no idea how logs work
Title: Re: Saving KOTH
Post by: fuzeman on March 04, 2023, 01:08:54 PM
I should wait 5 minutes before I sign out. LoL. Yea, I’ll be able to stay away for a month. Sabres 3 Lightning 1 :aok
I’ve heard logs can be viewed real time. Selfish again, not sure how that would effect my flyability.