How do we select a starting base and how on earth do you control the waypoints?
You don't "select" a base. You place the initial waypoints on the runway/taxiway of the base you want to start at. Zoom WAY in and click show terrain to see the field.
I'm not sure what you meant by "control" waypoints. You place waypoints. You can right click on the route tree item and select "Move" waypoints. You add segments to waypoints to specify behavior. Note: remember there is a bug in some states it doesn't show your changes to a waypoint until you force a refresh of the view. I hit 'W' and 'S' to wiggle the view and force an update. LoL. It's muscle memory at this point. I don't even think about it.
If you haven't already, be sure and watch those BBoson youtube vids I linked. They will go a long way to getting you over the initial hump.
:salute
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 08, 2020, 02:28:25 PM
Bozon's tutorials are good. Setting up the basic mission from scratch starts at part 15.
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Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: turt21 on January 08, 2020, 04:32:57 PM
I dont see a link and Bboson youtube shows nothing
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: CptTrips on January 08, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
You are working in an angled view it looks like. It works a lot better to be orthogonal to the surface with placing waypoints. Get to where you are looking straight down when placing that first point and zoom in as close as you possible can.
When you are trying to move waypoints, as I mentioned, there is a bug that is not updating the view. Every time I move a waypoint, I press 'w' and then 's' to wiggle the view and force an update.
I forget how much pain I went threw for 8 months building WW1WF. ;)
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 09, 2020, 10:10:43 AM
Still getting the same effect.
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: CptTrips on January 09, 2020, 10:20:02 AM
Which? placement error or not seeing move results?
Oh, also move your orthogonal view so it is directly over the point where you want to place to waypoint. Error seems to be proportional to how far from the center of the view you click. View not screen.
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 09, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
Which? placement error or not seeing move results?
Oh, also move your orthogonal view so it is directly over the point where you want to place to waypoint. Error seems to be proportional to how far from the center of the view you click. View not screen.
I am dead center over the area that I want to place the first waypoint and am looking straight down at it. Still can't get the waypoint where I need it and moving them still has the same effect
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 09, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
Here is another video
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: CptTrips on January 09, 2020, 11:05:34 AM
Lol Yeah. I made about 200 mission files for WW1WF and I guess at some point I just started working in autopilot mode. I do remember field ground waypoints being the worst part. I guess I forgot just how janky it really was.
It's all coming back to me now like a bad dream. ;) The tricks I gave you are what I would do to get as close as possible. I do remember having to do a lot of moving after placement and having to use Kentucky windage, like OK, I got to move it over there to get it to end up here. :rolleyes:
It will also vary with base location as I remember now. I was suspecting there was an accumulated positioning error the further you were from the 0,0 point of the map. I never got around to proving that. I was too busy. :D And interesting test if you are working with a custom arena would be to place a test field at 0,0 as close to 0ft alt as you can and see if the position errors are less.
Remember, I did talk about pain threshold. Did you get something to bite down on? ;)
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 09, 2020, 11:13:53 AM
Lol Yeah. I made about 200 mission files for WW1WF and I guess at some point I just started working in autopilot mode. I do remember field ground waypoints being the worst part. I guess I forgot just how janky it really was.
It's all coming back to me now like a bad dream. ;) The tricks I gave you are what I would do to get as close as possible. I do remember having to do a lot of moving after placement and having to use Kentucky windage, like OK, I got to move it over there to get it to end up here. :rolleyes:
It will also vary with base location as I remember now. I was suspecting there was an accumulated positioning error the further you were from the 0,0 point of the map. I never got around to proving that. I was too busy. :D And interesting test if you are working with a custom arena would be to place a test field at 0,0 as close to 0ft alt as you can and see if the position errors are less.
Remember, I did talk about pain threshold. Did you get something to bite down on? ;)
I was married once, I have a high pain thresh hold haha. I sent a video to Dale as well, not sure if it's something he might be able to fix on his end for a future update. The version the Boson used didn't seem to have this problem and I noticed there were two items removed for the version we are using (Double Click base to center over field and Shift+mouse button to zoom).
Hopefully Dale can adjust it so that the everything is based off of mouse x,y position and not world position.
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2020, 08:22:56 AM
I created a terrain (one dot at largest brush size @ 30 ft elevation) threw 1 small airfield on it (built CB Map and built the map). Opened it in the ME and proceeded to layout waypoints without any problems except for the initial waypoint. That one got deleted as it wasn't needed. I did add 1 flight (P-51's) created a taxi seg and a take off seg, calculated distance, speed etc... built the res with no errors but when trying to fly it offline, it crashes when you try to fly it.
I am not so worried about the flying bit yet as I am just trying to figure out the way point placement stuff at the moment.
It would appear that the ME works off of the mini map and not the terrain, when I first built the test terrain I didn't have a mini map and when loaded in to the ME the terrain did not show up. It wasn't until I created the mini map that the terrain was visible in the ME.
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: CptTrips on January 10, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
I created a terrain (one dot at largest brush size @ 30 ft elevation) threw 1 small airfield on it (built CB Map and built the map). Opened it in the ME and proceeded to layout waypoints without any problems except for the initial waypoint. That one got deleted as it wasn't needed. I did add 1 flight (P-51's) created a taxi seg and a take off seg, calculated distance, speed etc... built the res with no errors but when trying to fly it offline, it crashes when you try to fly it.
I am not so worried about the flying bit yet as I am just trying to figure out the way point placement stuff at the moment.
It would appear that the ME works off of the mini map and not the terrain, when I first built the test terrain I didn't have a mini map and when loaded in to the ME the terrain did not show up. It wasn't until I created the mini map that the terrain was visible in the ME.
I've always had a minimap. Was the "show Terrain" checked?
On our crash, did you have at least one route/flt/plane for both Axis and Allied?
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Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
I did find a bug, I am making a video of it. It will explain a few things about the waypoints. I will submit a bug report for it as well. Video will be up in a minute or two
Title: Re: Selecting starting base and waypoints
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
So the waypoint placement and movement issue seems to boil down to the mouse.
If you place a waypoint and then hold the left mouse button and use W,A,S,D,Q,Z to move and at the same time move your mouse around, the waypoint move freely with your mouse.