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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: B-17 on March 09, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
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wishing for an axis cargo transport... :pray: could i hear some thoughts other than "update the ones we have"?
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DEFINITE +1. :aok
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1. It's corrugated for safety.
2. Three engines are better than two.
3. It has a bb gun to make noise with.
:banana:
wrongway
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not only for those reasons, wrongway, but it [the 7e] carries an extra 2,000 pounds or so. than the C-47
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That doesn't mean that it will end up carrying more troops, more V-sups or more field sups. Though...maybe they could have it carry more v-sups? That's the only difference that would probably be between the C-47 and the Ju-52 in terms of cargo.
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yeah... only room for 18 on the 52, but it is defended, however lightly--1- 5 MGs/20mmMG151
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That doesn't mean that it will end up carrying more troops, more V-sups or more field sups. Though...maybe they could have it carry more v-sups? That's the only difference that would probably be between the C-47 and the Ju-52 in terms of cargo.
Supplies and troops are based on what is required not on what the plane or gv could carry.
If you can carry 20 troops it would take 20 troops to take a base instead of ten.
wrongway
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Supplies and troops are based on what is required not on what the plane or gv could carry.
If you can carry 20 troops it would take 20 troops to take a base instead of ten.
wrongway
I wasn't saying anything about the number of troops, just the number of v-supplies. I'm not worried either way. I DO think the Ju-52 deserves it's place in AH in the future though.
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it played a major role pretty much everywhere in europe. malta, poland, spain, france, north africa, STALINGRAD...
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Would be a nice addition +1 :joystick:
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+1
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The Junkers Ju. 52/3M with the Pontoons ? Ability to take off land from water would be a different twist to game
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/alleati/ju52_3m.jpg)
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+1
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Supplies and troops are based on what is required not on what the plane or gv could carry.
If you can carry 20 troops it would take 20 troops to take a base instead of ten.
wrongway
Silence!
I want the ability to carry troops AND beer :aok
:rofl
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Silence!
I want the ability to carry troops AND beer :aok
:rofl
You might have drunk troops running to the base instead of the town. :old:
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You might have drunk troops running to the base instead of the town. :old:
Adds a new dimension to base capture :lol
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+1 every side using the same transports in events is kinda silly...even if the Ju52 is a dog.
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I would like to see the JU-52 because it played such a major roll in the European theater of war from the beginning to the end. It was an airliner in Europe well before hostilities started in 1939 and saw service well after the war. It would be a great addition to the AvA for scenarios and it is so ugly that it is beautiful.
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The Junkers Ju. 52/3M with the Pontoons ? Ability to take off land from water would be a different twist to game
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/alleati/ju52_3m.jpg)
maybe it would work... if we did that, then i would have to start a new thread for the sunderland or the catalina :joystick:
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it is so ugly that it is beautiful.
+1 :aok
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Adds a new dimension to base capture :lol
I'd like to see em stumble aimlessly while scattering in all directions, then pass out.
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at least theyd be harder to shoot at :aok
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+1 for tante Ju, along with an update on the c-47
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been needed for a long time... :aok
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the being able to look inside the wing structure when you lose an aileron would be cool, because i think it has multiple spars, no? and 3 engines is better than 2.
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I'd +1 it with the pontoons and a system to use the ports to do resupply. Otherwise give me an Me-323.
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Everybody in this thread realizes that a Goonie Bird, IRL, carries a crapload more than 10 right?
Even with the addition of another C aircraft, it won't be changing the 10 thing.
+1 btw.
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I'd +1 it with the pontoons and a system to use the ports to do resupply. Otherwise give me an Me-323.
Me 323... that was the massive glider right? the one that kept getting shot down, but could carry 60 troops or something?
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Everybody in this thread realizes that a Goonie Bird, IRL, carries a crapload more than 10 right?
Even with the addition of another C aircraft, it won't be changing the 10 thing.
+1 btw.
Apparently not.
wrongway
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I am all for adding a Ju-52, but we should also keep the Savoia-Marchetti S.M.82 in mind, although its max speed was only 204mph, it does have a better defensive armament then the Ju, it was probably the most capable axis transport of the entire war, excluding the 323, which the S.M.82 had a much better reputation then
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been needed for a long time... :aok
How, exactly, has it been needed?
In the MA all sides have access to all aircraft, so there is no need to cater to Luftwaffe fetishes and, to the best of my knowledge, there has yet to be a scenario that uses even the C-47.
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How, exactly, has it been needed?
In the MA all sides have access to all aircraft, so there is no need to cater to Luftwaffe fetishes and, to the best of my knowledge, there has yet to be a scenario that uses even the C-47.
i know karnak, you would be happy if ah was nothing but u.s. and british fetishes...that's ok...we all understand.
considering the c-47 is the only flying troop transport available in ah, i'm not surprised special events don't generally have that particular dynamic involved...looking past ones own nose, imagine special events with a few little things being available...
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This has been wished for many times and would help with the immersion aspect. Being an AvA dude I'd really like to see country specific transports.
Seems like it wouldn't require a lot of work, just use the existing C-47 flight model and adjust top speed as necessary, I'd take it without guns even.
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How, exactly, has it been needed?
In the MA all sides have access to all aircraft, so there is no need to cater to Luftwaffe fetishes and, to the best of my knowledge, there has yet to be a scenario that uses even the C-47.
Using that criteria a great number of vehicles would not have been added including the Allies fetish for armor.
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i know karnak, you would be happy if ah was nothing but u.s. and british fetishes...that's ok...we all understand.
considering the c-47 is the only flying troop transport available in ah, i'm not surprised special events don't generally have that particular dynamic involved...looking past ones own nose, imagine special events with a few little things being available...
You must have me confused with somebody else. I'm the guy who gets accused of being anti-American due to my persistent objections to more American stuff. The only British aircraft I advocate right now is the Wellington....so that the Luftwaffe in early war can have an Allied bomber they can actually catch.
Note that I didn't say the Ju-52 wasn't a valid want. I said it wasn't needed, and it isn't. It is perfectly valid to want it though.
Using that criteria a great number of vehicles would not have been added including the Allies fetish for armor.
Allied armor fetish? You play the same game? We have five Allied tanks based on two chassis. We have three German tanks that are three completely separate chassis. That doesn't seem entirely imbalanced to me.
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(http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Savoia-Marchetti%20SM%2082.jpg)
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Note that I didn't say the Ju-52 wasn't a valid want. I said it wasn't needed, and it isn't. It is perfectly valid to want it though.
it is needed...just not in the main arenas...actually for the lw arenas there aren't many planes really "needed"...but for special events, which are the only reasons some people keep their subscriptions going, little silly planes like the ju-52 are needed.
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How, exactly, has it been needed?
In the MA all sides have access to all aircraft, so there is no need to cater to Luftwaffe fetishes and, to the best of my knowledge, there has yet to be a scenario that uses even the C-47.
well maybe we dont/didnt need the SBD because the Ju 87 does a good enough job of that [divebombing] on its own? or we didnt need the Spitfire because the Me-109K was just as good a fighter? correct me if im wrong, but this GAME isnt only about the combat and/or evenly matched aspect, it also has the element of look, and exploiting each vehicle's/aircraft's weaknesses and strengths. war wasnt always evenly matched (points to the Pacific Theatre)
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You must have me confused with somebody else. I'm the guy who gets accused of being anti-American due to my persistent objections to more American stuff. The only British aircraft I advocate right now is the Wellington....so that the Luftwaffe in early war can have an Allied bomber they can actually catch.
Note that I didn't say the Ju-52 wasn't a valid want. I said it wasn't needed, and it isn't. It is perfectly valid to want it though.
Allied armor fetish? You play the same game? We have five Allied tanks based on two chassis. We have three German tanks that are three completely separate chassis. That doesn't seem entirely imbalanced to me.
Now we are talking balance :D I was poking at you. At first you said wanting Ju52s was part of a Luftwaffe fetish, now you are saying that it is valid to want it. Seems like someone won you over.
I used the armor issue to make a point. I am assuming that you remember the only tank we had was the Panzer, somewhere in there the M8, then the Tiger, then T34. Still no American steel, so all Allies had at the time was a fast Russian tank with a slow rate of fire. Recently, some of the "holes" have been filled with the Shermans.
So, which is it? Do we need historical combatants or just role play equipment? "I am Sherman pschwwnnng.... pschwwnnng...." "No, your not!. You're a panzer pschwwngg..... pschwwnnng..." "No I am not, your a panzer. So how can I be a panzer too? pschwwnng..............." (blows smoke from pistol finger) ...." you're dead"
Ju52 may be just a bump not a hole for some, but for those who run scenarios and certainly the Axis versus Allies, it is an obvious detour.
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it is needed...just not in the main arenas...actually for the lw arenas there aren't many planes really "needed"...but for special events, which are the only reasons some people keep their subscriptions going, little silly planes like the ju-52 are needed.
It is most certainly not needed for special events. Neither is the C-47. No special event has ever used a C-47 and I see no reason why the Ju52 would change that.
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It is most certainly not needed for special events.
Needed? No, but you could use it in early Mediterranean events as a bomber since it filled that role also. It's an effective replacement for the SM 81 Pipistrello, used as a cargo plane and bomber, as well. This would obviate all German/Italian bombers being simply the ju87 and 88.
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Ju-52 was used as a bomber?
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unless their troops exploded i dont think so... correct me if im wrong
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It was used as a bomber during the Spanish Civil War. I am unaware of any such use later than 1939 at the latest.
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Thanks for that tid bit of info Karnak
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The biggest thing would be breaking the three engine model taboo. While there were not a greast number of three engined aircraft, there were some impotant ones and having one might encourage the modeling of the Italian suite of excellent 3 engined medium bombers.
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yeah, that makes sense... bring on the savoia marchettis!!! :rock
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Just add the He-111 and include it's ability to carry paratroopers. win-win.
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that might work too, but, as sakai said, 3 engines on 1 airframe would be a big leap. and also, i dont know, but im thinking that the He-111 didnt have as great a troop-carrying ability as the Ju-52 :headscratch:
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I would much, much rather see the SM.79-II added as the first three engined aircraft in AH. It would be vastly more useful.
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I would much, much rather see the SM.79-II added as the first three engined aircraft in AH. It would be vastly more useful.
+ 36000000
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+1 :confused:
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Just add the He-111 and include it's ability to carry paratroopers. win-win.
Short Stirling carried paratroopers too :noid
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:bhead :bhead :bhead
Why is it that after all these years, HTC still refuses
to model one of the two greatest transports in WWII?
Dave,Roy-we discussed this matter over the phone,
not to mention the many threads posted over the
past years by many people asking:"when will you deliver?"
Yes,we all know the dry stats...Just give us the option.
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Latest use of Ju-52 as a bomber was 1950 by the French in Indochina.