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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nefarious on July 14, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
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Would be nice to have an Allied Bomber that :
- Served in Allied forces before 1942
- Has the ability to carry Torpedoes
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The British Swordfish
Eagler
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The British Swordfish
Eagler
While there is no wrong answer, I was hoping it could fill more roles than the Swordfish.
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Bristol Beaufighter was more of a heavy fighter than a bomber, but some versions could carry bombs or a torpedo, and was used by the Allies prior to 1942.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter)
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Peace on Earth and Good Will Towards Men would be nice too.
Similar odds. ;)
But I salute your hopefulness. :salute
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Bristol Beaufighter was more of a heavy fighter than a bomber, but some versions could carry bombs or a torpedo, and was used by the Allies prior to 1942.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter)
I was thinking Bristol Beaufort - although both would be ok.
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Would be nice.
I’m starting to have my doubts we’re going to see much if anything new. It appears to be a one man show. However, maybe after Vulkan we wil...
Maybe players that devote so much time to skins, could inquire about helping with the wishlist instead of skins.
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Maybe players that devote so much time to skins, could inquire about helping with the wishlist instead of skins.
Players have tried, captain. Wants to sink this ship at the helm, alone.
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Would be nice.
I’m starting to have my doubts we’re going to see much if anything new. It appears to be a one man show. However, maybe after Vulkan we wil...
Maybe players that devote so much time to skins, could inquire about helping with the wishlist instead of skins.
If i had the knowledge on making 3D models for gaming I'd have a different job. Skins are a different skill set.
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Players have tried, captain. Wants to sink this ship at the helm, alone.
I'm not sure that is a fair statement.
I don't always agree with Hitech on every issue, but in my experience, he will accept outside help where is is feasible and where it won't cost him more effort than it will save him.
He allows player made sounds.
He allows player made skins.
He allows player made terrains.
He allows player made AI missions.
He allows player run Special Events.
Player made aircraft models would probably be a whole other level of difficulty.
First that level of 3-d modeling is hard. It would be a rare skillset. Not every skinner or map maker is going to jump in a be able to be productive.
Models probably have deep couplings to the control and damage logic.
There could be security concerns with letting players that deep into the product.
HTC isn't big on detailed documentation, so just communicating the requirements could be a huge effort for the rare individuals that could actually help.
I believe HTC used a specific model format from a commercial simulation package. (The name escapes me at the moment.) It's more than just the mesh. It's the whole sub-object component model and hierarchy. It's an expensive, licensed product.
I was just joking with Nefarious. I'm not against adding any aircraft. I'm sure that he and the heroes on the Scenario Team would make great use out of any aircraft they ask for.
But I always have said that of all the things we can ask to be added or changed, new aircraft probably represent one of the worst bang for the buck examples. We already have quite a few aircraft in the hangar and most are never flown. Adding one more is a lot of work and isn't going to add much. It might get used in a scenario occasionally. It will get flown a couple of times when it first comes out. Then it will sit in the hangar and collect dust with the others.
But a Dornier Do 17 would be nice too. Jus sayin. ;)
$0.02.
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But a Dornier Do 17 would be nice too. Jus sayin. ;)
One of 2 German aircraft I'd love to fly in aces high, all variants. The other is the He 219 Uhu, but that would be the last plane I'd expect to ever see in game. I'd love to see radar equipped aircraft in game to get the awacs like radar we have now, taking it away from all the others. Even give perk points for aircraft spotted to those players.
But back to Nefarious post I'd love to see more British attack aircraft and bombers, under represented.
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But I always have said that of all the things we can ask to be added or changed, new aircraft probably represent one of the worst bang for the buck examples. We already have quite a few aircraft in the hangar and most are never flown. Adding one more is a lot of work and isn't going to add much. It might get used in a scenario occasionally. It will get flown a couple of times when it first comes out. Then it will sit in the hangar and collect dust with the others.
Agreed.
- oldman
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‘But I always have said that of all the things we can ask to be added or changed, new aircraft probably represent one of the worst bang for the buck examples. We already have quite a few aircraft in the hangar and most are never flown. Adding one more is a lot of work and isn't going to add much. It might get used in a scenario occasionally. It will get flown a couple of times when it first comes out. Then it will sit in the hangar and collect dust with the others.
But a Dornier Do 17 would be nice too. Jus sayin. ;)
$0.02.’
I don’t think that would be the case though with adding a late war fighter like the J2M (J2M early models would definitely be used in scenarios/FSO).
When the Yaks were implemented they filled the skies, all of the variants, not just the Yak 3. I believe players logged in more frequently and stayed longer learning to become proficient in the Yaks (same goes for the German tank destroyers).
A new toy is, a new toy and is always going to bring attraction.
A plane/GV is a new toy, a map is too. A skin not so much...
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A new toy is, a new toy and is always going to bring attraction.
A plane/GV is a new toy, a map is too. A skin not so much...
Let me tighten up my argument.
The current list of planes is quite extensive. Most are flown rarely after the first 6 months they have been released.
Another plane isn't going to materially contribute to changing HTC's financial trajectory, IMHO.
It's not going to have a large effect on reversing the long decline in numbers, or keep HTC solvent.
Of the thousands of players who downloaded the client during the Steam release, I doubt any of them would have signed up for a subscription if AH just had a J2M. Nor was the lack of a J2M a deciding factor in them passing on a subscription. (Not picking on you, just insert any variant or lesser known plane not already in the hangar.)
Don't take that to mean I'm against the idea of new planes. If the cost and effort were trivial, I'd be all for it.
If the cost and effort were high, but the payoff could reverse the decline in the game, then I'd call it a good investment.
If the plane was so desired by the simulation market that hundreds could be enticed into downloading and playing AH, I'd say roll the dice.
To me, from a business investment sense, the cost and effort to add a new aircraft seems mismatched with the likely benefit from a revenue point of view. I don't see another plane at this point putting 500 players back in the MA.
If development resources and capital are scarce, which I assume they are, then there are probably other things that could be done that would have more impact on profit.
I could be wrong. If you end up getting the planes you want, I'll be happy for you.
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F2M?
J2M. It’s been on the wishlist since the beginning of the BBS. It’s a popular plane in WT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_J2M
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F2M?
J2M. It’s been on the wishlist since the beginning of the BBS. It’s a popular plane in WT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_J2M
Sorry. Typo.
How many new players do you think would subscribe if the J2M were added?
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Let me tighten up my argument.
The current list of planes is quite extensive. Most are flown rarely after the first 6 months they have been released.
Another plane isn't going to materially contribute to changing HTC's financial trajectory, IMHO.
It's not going to have a large effect on reversing the long decline in numbers, or keep HTC solvent.
Of the thousands of players who downloaded the client during the Steam release, I doubt any of them would have signed up for a subscription if AH just had a J2M. Nor was the lack of a J2M a deciding factor in them passing on a subscription. (Not picking on you, just insert any variant or lesser known plane not already in the hangar.)
Don't take that to mean I'm against the idea of new planes. If the cost and effort were trivial, I'd be all for it.
If the cost and effort were high, but the payoff could reverse the decline in the game, then I'd call it a good investment.
If the plane was so desired by the simulation market that hundreds could be enticed into downloading and playing AH, I'd say roll the dice.
To me, from a business investment sense, the cost and effort to add a new aircraft seems mismatched with the likely benefit from a revenue point of view. I don't see another plane at this point putting 500 players back in the MA.
If development resources and capital are scarce, which I assume they are, then there are probably other things that could be done that would have more impact on profit.
I could be wrong. If you end up getting the planes you want, I'll be happy for you.
I wonder this a lot during the current days of the game. I think perking the higher ENY planes slightly, in combination with usage for awhile, might help drain the swamp a little and get people to spread their wings a bit. Like a quadrant style eny/perk system that works on guys both in air, and in the tower about to take off.
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I think new planes and vehicles are more about keeping the existing players happy rather than drawing new players in. With our monthly subscriptions, we pay HTC salaries and keep the lights on and servers running, but we couldn't be faulted for hoping that we are also funding the development of new vehicles and/or game features.
The only new plane I can think of that might tempt a new subscriber might be the Gloster Meteor - thinking he may get to try fighting a 262 in one. Since it would require perks, we'd have the new player around for a while while he grinds out perk points.
I think in general HTC has done a great job of building out the plane set. There are only a handful of historically significant aircraft missing - the Beaufighter, Sm.79 Sparviero, the Pe-2, and Helldiver come to mind. I do wish they would finish the Tempest though, and tease us with development shots of new vehicles to come.
Offering AH through Steam was a great way to get a lot of new people to try the game, but most didn't even last 15 minutes of their two week free trial. To me that says AH makes a poor first impression on new players, so perhaps modernizing the UI and graphics of the clipboard and menu system would be money well spent.
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I think new planes and vehicles are more about keeping the existing players happy rather than drawing new players in. With our monthly subscriptions, we pay HTC salaries and keep the lights on and servers running, but we couldn't be faulted for hoping that we are also funding the development of new vehicles and/or game features.
I think that is a fair statement. I completely understand that point of view.
However, I believe the remaining player-base is fairly feature insensitive. What they have now is apparently sufficient (in fact many react violently if you suggest changing anything in any way). They would enjoy a new plane, but I don't think many would leave if HTC didn't add another plane. They have their friends they've known for 20 years. They have their chan-200 grand-pa chat room. They have their FSO. They have their Scenarios. They have their squad nights.
All the feature sensitive players have probably already left. Death and illness are probably the prime eliminators now.
IMHO, the better strategy for HTC would be to focus scarce resources on things that would ADD new players.
I do wish they would finish the Tempest though, and tease us with development shots of new vehicles to come.
Exactly. If they can't get a cockpit model updated that they've had for a decade, what are the odds of adding entirely new airframes from scratch?
On the other hand, if you turn the numbers around, if you have 500 players a night in the MA, all other things become possible. Including new aircraft and vehicles because you have money to spend.
Offering AH through Steam was a great way to get a lot of new people to try the game, but most didn't even last 15 minutes of their two week free trial. To me that says AH makes a poor first impression on new players, so perhaps modernizing the UI and graphics of the clipboard and menu system would be money well spent.
I think there are things there that would be a better use of resources than adding some French fighter or whatever. IMHO.
In addition to many other things that I think would provide better ROI, those are different conversations.
Anyway, sorry for the hijack, Nef. :lipsrsealed:
Hope you do get your bomber.
:aok
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There are quite a few people in the game that could make models. The problem is the models need to correct to HTC's standards.
Some of the work shard on the forums here had very obvious issues. It's the non-obvious issues that are even more troublesome. If it takes HTC longer to fix the problems than it would to make a new model, then it's not worth it.
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Sorry. Typo.
How many new players do you think would subscribe if the J2M were added?
There’s no way to predict that of course. However, as Oboe said new planes/GVs are going to keep existing players happy.
Would a plane that’s popular in other WW2 flight sims draw some attention over to AH of course, how many, I have no idea.
The J2M, Beaufighter and a few others would not be hangar queens. Would the J2M be the most popular Japanese aircraft, possibly #2 or #3 behind the Ki-84 and N1K.
How long has it been since a plane or GV has been added to the game? If I recall correctly it was the Yaks and the German TD’s, wasn’t that about 5 or 6 years ago?
Wouldn’t it be worth a try?
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Wouldn’t it be worth a try?
That of course, is what Hitech has to decide. IMHO, adding a new plane at this point, with the fleet we already have, would be very low on my priority list, if it were me. If I had a single dollar to spend, or hour of development time available, I could think of several other things that would probably be a better investment.
I would be using all my time and resources in development most likely to add new players, or develop new games that might attract a new audience. I'm not against new planes, it's just a matter of ROI at this point, when I assume resources are scarce.
But I might be wrong. HT might have decided he will never significantly increase the numbers in AH again, and doesn't think a new game is feasible. In that case, it probable would make sense to just spend to keep the current players happy and manage the decline. Maybe the glide slope gets him to retirement. That's not an irrational calculation.
Or maybe he could hire one of the previous modelers (they already know the process, tools, and requirements) to add a new plane on contract basis as a side gig. Or maybe a deal where the modeler works up an estimate of the cost he is willing to do it for and the community can setup a GoFundMe.
I have absolutely no insight into cost, or how long it would take to add a new aircraft from scratch (not a variant of existing, sub-models, animations, damage model, flight model, etc). If someone held a gun to my head and demanded a SWAG, I'd be thinking in the range of $10k.
How bad do you want that J2M? ;)
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More players over more planes anyday
Sadly it's too hard for most new subs these days unless they are ww2 hardcore types and stick it out to learn the basics
They have much easier and prettier (cheaper) choices than we did 20 years ago
Eagler
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Bad enough that if I had that (hypothetical) $10k to burn, then I would pay for it :x
There’s tons of threads asking for way before I joined the forum and some more recent (besides the couple I brought it up).
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=search2
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342275.msg4518544.html#msg4518544
Appears like what we got was the Ki-43, which I will fly almost exclusively when the vulch light is on to try to get out of the hangar and get troops in town...9/10 that doesn’t work. The Ki-43 I rarely see anymore.
The main reason I’d like to see the J2M, especially the late war is because it was designed to reach B-29’s and high alt escort it was formidable against. Since we have so many P-51D’s way up there, I surmise it would very effective against them without having to match them in a Pony or Dora to keep them from picking then running away.
Anyhow only HT knows the cost and ROI so we’re assuming and guessing quite a bit.