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Title: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 08, 2023, 08:37:22 PM
Enough with the aimbot chatter already! Been hearing this since I started playing around 2005. Yet to have anyone prove they exist.

Is there nothing to be said for years of experience and muscle memory? I’m a 20 year drummer… feel free to try to @ me that those qualities play no factor. :rock

I say it’s all legit BS!  :bolt:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 08, 2023, 09:01:44 PM
Yeah, while I'm sure they exist, 99.9% of the players have no use for them, its just a justification some players use to explain why they got shot down.

Now gaming the game (hiding in buildings) that happens. Hopefully Hitech will fix that.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Vulcan on February 08, 2023, 11:51:55 PM
To be honest 99% of the time it's a subtle tip of the hat to the shooter.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: 1stpar3 on February 09, 2023, 03:52:09 AM
To be honest 99% of the time it's a subtle tip of the hat to the shooter.
:aok  It took me 3 bombs to kill Buffalo the other day!????  "Yeah, 1stpar, thats how I know you dont cheat!"      I'll take it! :rofl  It gets old, the accusations, it truly does. :bhead  I have been practicing/perfecting that skill for 8 years now...surely it should be a KNOWN FACT by now? ATTACK my bases, and give me access to a Spit XVI and ORD...well is what you should expect? :neener: 
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: mERv on February 09, 2023, 05:00:08 AM
:aok  It took me 3 bombs to kill Buffalo the other day!????  "Yeah, 1stpar, thats how I know you dont cheat!"      I'll take it! :rofl  It gets old, the accusations, it truly does. :bhead  I have been practicing/perfecting that skill for 8 years now...surely it should be a KNOWN FACT by now? ATTACK my bases, and give me access to a Spit XVI and ORD...well is what you should expect? :neener:

+1
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Eagler on February 09, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
When you shoot them down and they say you cheated consider it a compliment

It's called the internet

Eagler
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 09, 2023, 07:17:12 AM
When you shoot them down and they say you cheated consider it a compliment

It's called the internet

Don't talk bollocks Eagler it's sour grapes and spitefulness. "Nice shot" <- that's a compliment.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Eagler on February 09, 2023, 07:33:49 AM
To each their own..

I consider it a compliment

..or be insulted ..it's your choice

Most of what someone thinks is an odd shot is the internet and its lag effects

Eagler
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: detch01 on February 09, 2023, 07:49:33 AM
You haven't arrived in AH until you're being accused of cheating.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 09, 2023, 09:54:38 AM
Because of the scoring, for the most part the Hit% would be an indicator of aimbot. For example a hit% of say 15% would put you in the top 5 of all players in the game for fighter mode. Even directly shooting at bombers doesn't give you above a 30%. An aimbot would have a player scoring in the 30s after multiple sorties which wouldn't be possible. It would be nice to see who scored #1 hit%, but I doubt it would be a new or suspicious player achieving it.
 
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 09, 2023, 11:45:18 AM
You haven't arrived in AH until you're being accused of cheating.

+1
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 09, 2023, 01:50:23 PM
When you shoot them down and they say you cheated consider it a compliment

It's called the internet

Eagler



Pretty sure nobody is accusing me of aimbotting!  :D
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: AKIron on February 09, 2023, 03:17:06 PM
An aimbot will work in a ground based FPS where all it need do is recognize a target and center your view on that target. Not so simple in a flight sim.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Masherbrum on February 09, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
An aimbot will work in a ground based FPS where all it need do is recognize a target and center your view on that target. Not so simple in a flight sim.

Someone in the past was banned for using it in game. 
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Lusche on February 09, 2023, 05:27:57 PM
It would be nice to see who scored #1 hit%, but I doubt it would be a new or suspicious player achieving it.

Top 20 hit% (fighter mode) pilots in tours 275 and 276, and the number of kills made in that mode:

(https://i.imgur.com/J2lM3Iz.png)

The median hit% for all 492 pilots with at least 10 kills in fighter mode was 3.94% in tour 276.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 09, 2023, 06:37:14 PM
I only see a couple of those names when I play usually 8-11P est
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: RELIC on February 09, 2023, 06:42:46 PM
I'm always entertained (annoyed) by the whining when someone gets shot down - usually by buffs.  If you come in from the 6 and get killed it's because you are a dumb*ss.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Bopgun on February 09, 2023, 07:46:51 PM
I'm always entertained (annoyed) by the whining when someone gets shot down - usually by buffs.  If you come in from the 6 and get killed it's because you are a dumb*ss.

I don’t get it, I fly straight and level and their bullets still hit me. MUST BE CHEATS!
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: mERv on February 09, 2023, 08:08:38 PM
Top 20 hit% (fighter mode) pilots in tours 275 and 276, and the number of kills made in that mode:

(https://i.imgur.com/J2lM3Iz.png)

The median hit% for all 492 pilots with at least 10 kills in fighter mode was 3.94% in tour 276.
you should do one on me

My numbers are low.  I just take a lot of shots in a tour and rack em up :aok
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Mongoose on February 09, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
You haven't arrived in AH until you're being accused of cheating.

I've never been good enough to be accused of cheating.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 10, 2023, 12:58:55 AM
Top 20 hit% (fighter mode) pilots in tours 275 and 276, and the number of kills made in that mode:

I'm personally responsible for lowering the stats on at least 3 of those players   :banana:

IMHO you harm your overall gunnery focussing too much on simple statistics. We aren't efficient machines, we're animals and animals should act in accordance with their nature. I reckon my statistics are 88% hit ratio, 33%-50% of the time  :rofl Which if you think about it is fantastic because I usually get 2-3 potential guns solutions per fight.

I'm interested in Lusche's philosophy on shooting since military service notwithstanding means he likely has not been taught to shoot  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Bopgun on February 10, 2023, 01:01:01 AM
I'm personally responsible for lowering the stats on at least 3 of those players   :banana:

IMHO you harm your overall gunnery focussing too much on simple statistics. We aren't efficient machines, we're animals and animals should act in accordance with their nature. I reckon my statistics are 88% hit ratio, 33%-50% of the time  :rofl Which if you think about it is fantastic because I usually get 2-3 potential guns solutions per fight.

I'm interested in Lusche's philosophy on shooting since military service notwithstanding means he likely has not been taught to shoot  :headscratch:

SITCK SITRING!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 10, 2023, 01:47:59 AM
Offer a shot to get a shot  :devil
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: 1stpar3 on February 10, 2023, 05:00:44 AM
Don't talk bollocks Eagler it's sour grapes and spitefulness. "Nice shot" <- that's a compliment.
"Talk bollocks"?  nrshida, Brother, Eagler is 'Bad Mouthed...CHEATER' way more than even I am...and that is SPEAKING VOLUMES!  IMHO, he speaks from a Point Of Relevance. Unfortunately...these days, it IS SOMETHING akin to a Badge of "I Have Arrived"! :uhoh    I understand what you posted!  Eagler is like you and I....Not ONCE have we ever griped about "You...this...you are a THAT".  Due was acknowledged, "Awesome shot,Sir.......<S>"....ect ect.  This IS NOT the NORM these days :uhoh  Its gotten way worse since I last saw you ingame, just a few months ago. :bhead
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Lusche on February 10, 2023, 07:31:12 AM
I'm interested in Lusche's philosophy on shooting

Look for the biggest target available and get as close as possible, like this one yesterday:

(https://i.ibb.co/qrj9Gr6/ezgif-3-017e533042.gif)



 :D
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: TWCAxew on February 10, 2023, 07:35:45 AM

*snip*


Thats one cool GIF snail :rock
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 10, 2023, 08:05:57 AM
Foodstap is the only one I'd check out on that list. However it appears most of his kills were on one player named Mattking in the lancaster (86) with a P39 and 110. Still interesting he kept it that high with A6m and Brewster among a bunch of other planes. He must have had a really high hit% not counting the other planes. Blkjak with a 60% even on one kill is pretty crazy. I recon 2 bullets were shot from the 262 and one hit where he ended up getting the kill?

In any case, this list and average hit% show that no one is using an aimbot.



Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: waystin2 on February 10, 2023, 08:29:46 AM
This another one of those silly excuses folks use when they make a mistake. Own your mistakes, make corrections, and then you will get better. If not, then your suckage will continue. :aok
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Shane on February 10, 2023, 09:36:26 AM
For every 20 sucky aiming misses, I get one really nice, "wow, I even impressed myself with that shot" moment.  But in general, the way I engage - outflying, (and missing my shots until I get it) as opposed to a quick kill (which might've been a wtf kind of shot) is why I've never dealt with any accusations of cheating over my career.

In general, for air combat, it is latency, often combined with misreading perspectives, that create cries of aimbots.   

For GVers it's generally been an issue of not grasping the low fidelity tree/ground modeling works (perspectives.)
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Simon on February 10, 2023, 10:20:51 AM
High altitude bomber hunting makes for a high hit percentage.

Chasing stick-stirring Yaks and Doras around their ack makes for the opposite.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: GasTeddy on February 10, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
Not so long time ago I made negative G with P39 and lost a wing. Must have been aimbot.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Shuffler on February 10, 2023, 11:56:43 AM
I hit every tree I shoot at, every time.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 10, 2023, 12:47:54 PM
Look for the biggest target available and get as close as possible, like this one yesterday:

(https://i.ibb.co/qrj9Gr6/ezgif-3-017e533042.gif)

 :D

Absolute textbook, Luftwaffe tactic, executed perfectly including exploiting the top turret's inability to quickly transition from front to rear hemispheres. Splendid. I <Salute> you sir  :banana:   
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 10, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
I've never dealt with any accusations of cheating over my career.

You're clearly cheating with you flying brah. LA7s can't turn like that  :old:
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: The Fugitive on February 10, 2023, 03:12:32 PM
Someone in the past was banned for using it in game.

Yup that was a long time ago, and even then HTC's software caught them. I think I even remember who it was, name began with a "P" I think.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: save on February 10, 2023, 03:18:57 PM
Wing mounted cannons decrease the hit% much.

Best to chose like a Mosquito, P38 or a Bf109 without gondolas.

Worst is probably the 4-cannon FW190a5 with 3 different trajectories.

Personally I do not believe in those aimbot's, most of the top killers have more trigger time than a full tour pilot had flight hours.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: hgtonyvi on February 10, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
Save where u been at? Wheres that 190a8
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: BiPoLaR on February 11, 2023, 04:30:46 AM
Someone in the past was banned for using it in game.
I remember some guy flying around in a spit dropping hundreds of bombs, taking off vertical and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Was that the guy?
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: TWCAxew on February 11, 2023, 04:34:48 AM
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Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: mechanic on February 11, 2023, 06:40:42 AM
Very little incentive for anyone to hack AH. Most cheaters in online games do not understand code themselves. They buy cheats from a single hacker to gain an advantage most often in FPS games.

Very rare that anyone would find any reason to hack Aces High other than pure boredom.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Eagler on February 11, 2023, 07:31:37 AM
Win at all costs..that is all that matters for many

Cheating and stealing are the norms today in all aspects of life

We have lost our moral compass

That said I haven't seen any evidence of cheating in AH in the 20 something years I have played it

Eagler
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 11, 2023, 10:11:21 AM
I remember some guy flying around in a spit dropping hundreds of bombs, taking off vertical and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Was that the guy?

I feel like I remember this way way back too.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Meatwad on February 11, 2023, 11:15:41 AM
I remember back in an H2H arena someone was doing it
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: nrshida on February 11, 2023, 11:56:39 AM
I remember some guy flying around in a spit dropping hundreds of bombs, taking off vertical and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Was that the guy?

They got caught because of built-in measures. Probably not wise to say more but it's not hard to do technically.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: mERv on February 11, 2023, 04:48:26 PM
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Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Cluzig on February 18, 2023, 09:07:38 AM
So when you fly versus ai bot planes who and what controls their accuracy?
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: BiPoLaR on February 20, 2023, 08:04:46 PM
They got caught because of built-in measures. Probably not wise to say more but it's not hard to do technically.
They got caught because someone called and HT logged in and nuked the kid lol
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Vulcan on February 20, 2023, 10:08:24 PM
I feel like I remember this way way back too.

Oh hey forgot to tell you, two weeks ago I was spotting for shufly I think - he was in a T-34 and you were in a Panzer. You kept shooting him, and left a nice long line of smoke behind him. If you want to do damage AP is best  :devil
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 20, 2023, 10:32:46 PM
Win at all costs..that is all that matters for many

Cheating and stealing are the norms today in all aspects of life

We have lost our moral compass

That said I haven't seen any evidence of cheating in AH in the 20 something years I have played it

Eagler

Absolutely agree with this!

Outside the underlined part... I  have and I have reported that years ago, including the website the hugahunk was using to host it for others to download!
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 21, 2023, 06:35:51 AM
Oh hey forgot to tell you, two weeks ago I was spotting for shufly I think - he was in a T-34 and you were in a Panzer. You kept shooting him, and left a nice long line of smoke behind him. If you want to do damage AP is best  :devil

Lol yes I remember that!  :aok
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: Dadtallica on February 21, 2023, 06:38:30 AM
Absolutely agree with this!

Outside the underlined part... I  have and I have reported that years ago, including the website the hugahunk was using to host it for others to download!

I remember a Spit dropping endless bombs.
Title: Re: Aimbots!
Post by: hitech on February 22, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
See rule 7