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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: lazs2 on January 28, 2002, 12:46:28 PM
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Face it.. you're not cutting it as an arena. changing dar settings a mile or two or icon range a few feet one way or the other isn't gonna change that. Hopeless???
naa... what you need , or, what any seperate arena needs , is the ability to toggle between maps and select a field to take off from. A squad is flying in the MA and one of the members on RW anounces "check out the Ct, there is a hhuge fight at __" . A lone wolf is tired of hjaving no fight available in the MA that isn''t a gangbang of "organized" mayhem... He toggles the map and sees a good fight between two CT fields and a planeset he can live with... Simple click and he's there...
Seamless selection. No "leave one arena, sign on on another and check it out then try to convince your buddies to come over"...
lazs
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That ideas soooo crazy, it's GOTTA work!!!:eek:
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Lazs,
Come to the CT.
Hogs a plenty!
Fight KIs, Zekes and 202s!
Have yet to see anything more dangerous than a Zero!
And if your willing to drive a Hellcat,
There's lots of fast action, CV to base fights/furballs!
Toughened CVs and very few big bombers mean furballs last forever!
And theres just enough guys with tempers for you to piss off!
This CT was made for you, and is probably the closest thing that you will ever see to your dream arena...
Come to where the F4U-1 is in its element!
eskimo
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eskimo.. I log on to AH. 411 in MA 12 in CT. I have no idea what the fight in the CT is. I am pretty sure I can save some time and just log onto the MA and find a fite..
I am in the MA and with a couple of squaddies. We are finding some good some not so good fights. My two hours are up. I am not about to "quit" AH.. log onto another arena, look around log out again and back onto MA if there was nothing in the CT. Nor do I want to log out and try to convince my buddies that there is a fite worth having in the CT.
Call me lazy but.... pragmatic is more accurate. Don't go by what should be the reality go by what is the reality. Begging for people to show up is not the way. Make it easy for people to show up and easy for em to leave if they don't like it. if something is happening they will stay... if not they wont feel that they are stuck in a toejam arena anmd just wasted their time. Waste peoples time and you leave a bad taste in their mouth.
but do what you want... maybe if you made the tbm a stuka substitute it would fix everything?
lazs
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Lazs,
I avoided the CT for the very reasons that you have pointed out.
What I have found out is; that it doesn't take 400, or even 40 folks in an arena to have a blast. The last time I flew, there were only about a dozen, at the most, guys in the CT. But it didn't matter. We had a great fight for quite awhile, never a lack of enemy planes. I fell in love with the Hellcat and found that it can be one heck of a deadly ride when opposed only by KIs, A6Ms and 202s.
Forget the numbers, just log in, find the fight, and furball till the cows come home.
Try it, you may be surprised.
eskimo
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yeah
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Could work....if HTC finds the time for the code, AND if there is no risk that this feature screws everybody's connection, I'm for it.
OTOH, Lazs, you should at least ONCE give the CT a try during this setup, if CT numbers are 10+, and even if there are gazillions of people just beginning their 2-weeks free period in the MA. After an hour you'll be able to say if you like it or no. This hour is all you're risking.
Hell, I've even given mindless furballing a try in MA from time to time those last weeks.....
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Lazs,
Your $15 gets you into both/all arenas.
No one is "stuck" in one arena.
I timed with a stopwatch how long it takes to switch arenas...
9 to 13 seconds.
Even by your impatient sense of time, this is not very long.
Lazs,
Suppose that HTC let you design your own arena, and you finally got to do things your way, however you wanted, and HTC offered only 2 arenas, the Main and Lazs' Furball World.
How many people would have to be logged into your arena before you would be willing to fly in it? What if there were only 10 or 20? Would you log in? I say you wouldn't.
Why? Because you are too in-tune with the in-crowd.
That's right, as outspoken as you are, it's more important to you be part of a mob.
Do you see the irony Lazs?
You want so much to change with Aces High, but yet you are only willing to hang out at the popular place, where things are done the way they are to please the majority.
How much of a chance have you given the CT?
I bet not much.
Why? Because you might risk wasting some of your precious sim time (even though you admit that it can be a bit dull at times).
Not much of a risk-taker, are you Lazs?
You like to fly the same plane, in the same places, in the same manner, again and again.
Your Sim-Life time could be better, but that would mean that you would have to risk making a tiny change, even just for an hour or two, with how you have grown so comfortable at playing.
You Lazs, are afraid of change.
Personally, I'd rather be flying right now, but the CT is busted.
I'd actually rather waste my time typin-for-nothin, then go back into the main.
After flying in the CT lately, I know that the main would be a disappointment by comparison, by my standards and opinion of fun.
There's a Big-Blue-Bent-Winged-Bird waiting in the CT for you Lazs,
Think about it...
eskimo
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Ya know Laz, when your right, your right. You dont belong in the CT, it aint for you, stay in the MA right where you belong. And while we're at it, why do you even bother to post on this board? Quite clearly you're endless whit and superb creative problem solving abilities deserve the much wider audiance of the general board. Pleaee dont let us keep you from your true calling. Cya, have a nice trip, don't let the door hit ya in the bellybutton on the way out.
CRASH
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LOL... I wonder how many reading this understand what is being said by me at all but.... Perhaps I don't belong in the CT. You are right. Perhaps it should be difficult to try out simply to keep the untalented riff raff like myself out. Maybe you guys deserve to fail.
That being the case... why bother to whine and plead like girls in the ma or on the general discussion group for people to come play with yu? last night.. 420 in the ma 5 in CT. Yeah.... extend the radar range a half mile.... that will bring in the truely dedicated 'realism' crowd. maybe you guys deserve to fail
Look... MOST don't give a squat one way or the other about "historical" plane sets. All they see is another limitation. They can ignore the limitation if..... there is something fun happening. If there is somerthing fun happening where they are at tho or if it looks like there may soon be.... they won't log out... log back on to another arena with 4-15 people on it in order to fly whatever limited planeset is "allowed" them to be immersed by flyintg a 202 against Corsairs.. Why should they?
What the hell do you think is happening here? Do you think that people just don't know about you? That your "name" isn't appealing enough? do you think that there is a vast pool of people out there that would escew fun and choice in order to fly hellcats against 202's but they just haven't heard of you yet? Heck... you even lose your core LW (all 109/190 all the time) guys during PAC times. What? Once they try it they will like it? LOL you should be gaining in numbers with all the people that have tried it and would rather lose an eye than go back to the MA.
No.. face it. you need to tap into the vast pool of fun flyers that populate the MA. You need to make it so easy for them to get into the CT that a certain percentage of that vast pool is allways in the CT. Not the same guys probly but still... a percentage. Or...
you can continue to build up your core of good natured well reasoned elitists with new features guarenteed to lure in new guys who don't know what they want right now by moving dar settings around and taking jabs at the MA on the general discussion board and in the MA itself.
lazs
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Originally posted by CRASH
Ya know Laz, when your right, your right. You dont belong in the CT, it aint for you, stay in the MA right where you belong. And while we're at it, why do you even bother to post on this board? Quite clearly you're endless whit and superb creative problem solving abilities deserve the much wider audiance of the general board. Pleaee dont let us keep you from your true calling. Cya, have a nice trip, don't let the door hit ya in the bellybutton on the way out.
CRASH
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How's the fishing Lazs? Only 6 or 7 replies? Hmm, better bait.
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That's the longest post I've seen you make Lazs. I can see the CT is near and dear to his heart and we will do our best to make it succeed. Thanks for the advice. :)
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Do you guys really want numbers?
No.
Not as an goal itself. I like CT atmosphere. I could care less if there are 100, 200+ people around. I'm having a blast there with as little as 10 guys. Of course the more, the better, but I just don't want to get it at the price of easy quasi-MA mode :p :D
Lazs, you have your fit in MA. Please, ask there to eliminate buffs, to have indestructable fields, extend radar range, whatever you like, do it. But do it where it belongs, not in CT.
I am not a representative of any of CT players, but myself. And my personal experience there has been great. The average skill is superior to MA. The average behaviour is better than MA. I'm not saying it's perfect but, at least for me, is much better than MA.
You guys that feel at home with MA settings have MA for you all. The ones that feel different about that, now have an alternative.
Btw, the more I read this thread, the more I think Ripsnort has it right ;)
Cheers,
Pepe
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LOL... 6-7 replies is a HUGE response on this board. Hell.... any response is proof of life on this board.
ripsnore... finally gave up and just cut, paste and add huge sig eh? Well... when ya got nothing to say I guess a sig file is as good as anything.
look guys... I ain't asking you to change anything.. you can continue to get anal about every yard of dar coverage. There would be NO change in any setting in your precious "elite" arena.
Now, if as some say, you really don't want anyone to come to your arena..... Well, that's a different story. It's just with all the begging and hand wringing about lack of numbers...I got the wrong impression.
lazs
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Originally posted by Pepe
Do you guys really want numbers?
No.
Not as an goal itself. I like CT atmosphere. I could care less if there are 100, 200+ people around. I'm having a blast there with as little as 10 guys. Of course the more, the better, but I just don't want to get it at the price of easy quasi-MA mode :p :D
Lazs, you have your fit in MA. Please, ask there to eliminate buffs, to have indestructable fields, extend radar range, whatever you like, do it. But do it where it belongs, not in CT.
I am not a representative of any of CT players, but myself. And my personal experience there has been great. The average skill is superior to MA. The average behaviour is better than MA. I'm not saying it's perfect but, at least for me, is much better than MA.
You guys that feel at home with MA settings have MA for you all. The ones that feel different about that, now have an alternative.
Btw, the more I read this thread, the more I think Ripsnort has it right ;)
Cheers,
Pepe
Pepe,
Been awhile since you've been in the MA I guess. The average skill is superior to MA? Right here is the primary reason I don't fly in the CT, that along with low numbers. I abhor elitism and I get bored easily.
To counter your point. Where are the Blue Knights, The (Original) Flying Tigers, The MOL, The Arabian Knights? Members of these squads could hold thier own against anyone in any arena. Superior? Hogwash.
Note: Although some members of the aforementioned squads may fly the CT, the majority do not I would venture. At least most of em are in the MA when I'm there anyway, lol.
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The skill level of the pilots is the same in both arenas. However, due to the fact of smaller numbers in the CT, you find more fights of a 1v1 or a 2v2 nature. I don't know about you, but I find winging with daddog and fighting against ammo and hblair a much more challenging prospect than fighting in one of those huge furs that occur in the MA. In the low alt MA fur, it's not about ACM as much as it is extreme SA (gotta keep track of the 1 to 6 planes that are latched onto your 6) and relying on great gunnery (if you can kill fast in a fur, you'll live longer). I'm not saying there's not SKILL involved in either, or the level of skill of the pilots in either is different. You'll find fantastic sticks in both environments.
With me, it has nothing to do with the so called "elitism" label some people like to use with such a wide brush. It has everything to do with preference. I've flown both. I prefer a smaller engagement versus historical opponents more often than not. I prefer not flying in 3:1 or greater ratios (either way); I don't enjoy being ganged by 3 (usually much more) and I don't enjoy having to pick through 4 friendlies to get a kill. Based on my preferences, it's obvious that the CT has more enjoyment potential for me than the MA. So if flying where I have more fun makes me an elitist, oh well, I'm an enjoyment elitist. There, that even has some assonance for the little label! (ooo, alliteration too!)
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Originally posted by Nifty
With me, it has nothing to do with the so called "elitism" label some people like to use with such a wide brush.
Elitism is a bad thing?
Really?
(walks away, scratching head)
- oldman
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Originally posted by Nifty
The skill level of the pilots is the same in both arenas. However, due to the fact of smaller numbers in the CT, you find more fights of a 1v1 or a 2v2 nature. I don't know about you, but I find winging with daddog and fighting against ammo and hblair a much more challenging prospect than fighting in one of those huge furs that occur in the MA. In the low alt MA fur, it's not about ACM as much as it is extreme SA (gotta keep track of the 1 to 6 planes that are latched onto your 6) and relying on great gunnery (if you can kill fast in a fur, you'll live longer). I'm not saying there's not SKILL involved in either, or the level of skill of the pilots in either is different. You'll find fantastic sticks in both environments.
With me, it has nothing to do with the so called "elitism" label some people like to use with such a wide brush. It has everything to do with preference. I've flown both. I prefer a smaller engagement versus historical opponents more often than not. I prefer not flying in 3:1 or greater ratios (either way); I don't enjoy being ganged by 3 (usually much more) and I don't enjoy having to pick through 4 friendlies to get a kill. Based on my preferences, it's obvious that the CT has more enjoyment potential for me than the MA. So if flying where I have more fun makes me an elitist, oh well, I'm an enjoyment elitist. There, that even has some assonance for the little label! (ooo, alliteration too!)
Good post Nifty.
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thanks apache. I just don't want the attitude of the pilots in the CT to keep you (or anyone else) out. If you prefer the big MA furs over the smaller CT fights, that's fine with me, you pay $15/month, fly where you enjoy it the most. :) I also didn't wanna be painted with that big ol' elitist brush anymore than you wanna be painted with the quake-fest brush since you fly the MA. :D
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I am not an elitest. I am just a sim addict:) I like 99% of the people that have posted in this thread. I also enjoy the MA immensly (see statement nuimber 1).
That said, I hope any idea proposed and piut forth for the AH community succeeds if it has merit. I think the CT has merit. The MA is proven, no need to defend it.
I guess I like the CT for the much toned down text buffer. Seems like you dont have to filter out alot of stuff to see a . The quality and type of sim combat I experience in there is alot of fun abd a refreshing change, different than the MA but not better to me. Just an inviting change. Nifty;s reasons, I mirror thoise thoughts as well.
But anywho, I hope to see the CT succeed. Laz, whether you fly in the CT or not, you would be welcome by me anyway. You are a worthy opponent and alot of fun to be in a furball with.
V/R
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ammo.. my suggestion was not made to "harm" the ct. It was meant to point out the obvious and time/sim proven problem of 2 arenas and lack of numbers in one of em.
I think that the ct is a poor excuse for an arena but that is simply a matter of taste. I would love an early war arena but realize that it would have as much chance of success as the ct does.... allmost zero with current ideas. I am going by simming historical trends here...
If there were a way to seamlessley combine alternate (and less popular) arenas so that they could more easily draw from the larger crowd then it would help ALL specialty arenas. That is the "motive" that some have been searching for in my post. Some real knee jerk types with bigger sigs than brains will have trouble with that but that's it.
Or... you could just shut down the MA for a month and then when it reopened it, it would be deserted instead of the CT. Course... then HTC would have only one viable arena still but it would have half or less players in it just like when that other sim did it. They still haven't recovered from their "allied vs axis all 109/190 all the time" arena.
lazs
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My two cents are that I fly the CT because it isn't what the MA has become. I like being able to climb to alt and set up my engagements. If it takes a little while to get there, that's cool. I like the plane match ups. Once engaged I like the fact that it will probably stay a question of skill as to who emerges victorious not the result of huge numbers of guys diving in when they see the match up on DAR. All of this is hard to find in the MA these days.
I can't help but comment that the lack of streaming profanity in the text buffer is also a big plus IMHO.
If this is what is being offered...I, for one, hope HT doesn't take your suggestion laz.