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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Chalenge on December 29, 2009, 05:09:44 AM
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I have seen 60 bombers (180 total) bail this tour when they get attacked but before I can get inside of 3k. Please increase the proxy kill range to 6k but only for bombers and let them guess if its time to bail everytime they see a dot.
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+ 50,BAJILLION :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Either that or put a time limit between bailouts.
If your in a formation, you bail from the first one, a 30 second limit before you can bail from the second, and another 30 seconds before you can bail from the third one.
Of course if you do that they'll all just learn to alt F4, hard reboot, etc.
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+1 :aok
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Here's an idea.
Make it so you can't bail unless you have damage.
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Here's an idea.
Make it so you can't bail unless you have damage.
No I think you should be able to bail in anything because there will be times when something of great importance comes along (helping your squad for instance) or when you see the field you want to hit is down and someone calls for a goon etc. Not that I think I would ever bail but if I am engaged on a bomber formation and he feels he has the need then by all means give me the prox and I will go on to kill more of your friends.
The problem is the time between 6k and 3k is more than enough time for bombers to 'hit the silk' for whatever reason and I dont think they should be able to get away with it. I mean after all... 60 formations? Its an epidemic!
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I always thought there was an increase in the bomb&bail when there is an increase in squeakers online. Probably no good way to prevent it without penalizing legit players.
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I always thought there was an increase in the bomb&bail when there is an increase in squeakers online.
Definitely not limited to squeakers.
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I always thought there was an increase in the bomb&bail when there is an increase in squeakers online. Probably no good way to prevent it without penalizing legit players.
Legit players bail just as they are being attacked? :huh I dont think so! No its not just 'squeakers.'
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Nice idea, but I don't think it would work. Friendlies show up as green dots on your map, so they'd know it was an enemy by the lack of a green dot even before it is in icon range.
Granted, they have a better shot at not seeing it until the icon pops, much better chance of that.
Honestly, I think the inability to bail out of an undamaged aircraft would be the best way to go. If you have something you need to do suddenly, such as a squad op, auger it.
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Honestly, I think the inability to bail out of an undamaged aircraft would be the best way to go. If you have something you need to do suddenly, such as a squad op, auger it.
+1 :aok
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*The grizzled old buff pilot walks into the room and steps up on the soapbox.*
Ok I'm going to start off by saying that buff pilots who bomb and bail, or who bail just do deny kills is a pretty low thing to do. However, you fighter jocks do the exact same thing, like suicide bombing the ord or radar at a base and then bailing out.
Now about limiting bombers ability's to bail out. There are many times in which 2 of my buffs will take fatal damage within seconds of each other, so if you added a time limit then I would have to bail out of the lead plane and then wait in the second crippled plane for 30 seconds until I could jump to the third. Now what is going to happen to that 3rd plane while I ride the 2nd one down the ground while waiting to bail out?
Secondly limiting bombers to only bailing out with damage. Although I can understand the idea behind this wish it should not be added. Why? There are many times where I will be flying somewhere and the fight will move somewhere else and thus there is no reason for me to bomb the target. Normally when this happens I check for enemy cons and if there are none I bail out and move on to a closer area.
If a buff pilot bails out to avoid giving a kill is an annoying thing, but it's just something you guys will have to live with. The actions of a few should not force the rest of us to have to fly with more artificial limits.
*Steps off the soapbox, gives a goodbye fart, and walks away.*
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I have seen 60 bombers (180 total) bail this tour when they get attacked but before I can get inside of 3k. Please increase the proxy kill range to 6k but only for bombers and let them guess if its time to bail everytime they see a dot.
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Ok we can go for updating the proxy range to 6k. but lets set a limit on how long a fighter has before he attacks the buff. if you dont attack within 30 seconds when you are within 3k, then the buff will score a kill and you will die. ok j/k about that.
but to be honest lets say you attack a buff, so you will attack when you have the advantage otherwise its a suicide run. in other words you wanna make sure that if you die you at least get one kill. that's fair. so you only want to attack when you have the advantage (altitude, or pilot is busy dropping eggs, whatever), but if you dont have the advantage you wont attack. in fact u can turn around and run. or you can attack get one or two kill change your mind because you run out of ammo or whatever and leave.
isnt the fighter turning around the same as a buff augering, because he dont have the advantage of a sure, or semi-sure kill? but of course when the fighter leaves its called being smart, but if the buff pilot bails then he's a squeaker when in fact its all the same thing. which is is also the same thing as when you see a pony, 190, etc. running away from a fite and nobody calls for them to be declared a kill.
augering buffs, is just another way of saving your d/k ration or just denying somebody a kill same as when a fighter runs like hell. no difference if you really think about it. :salute
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isnt the fighter turning around the same as a buff augering, because he dont have the advantage of a sure, or semi-sure kill? but of course when the fighter leaves its called being smart, but if the buff pilot bails then he's a squeaker when in fact its all the same thing. which is is also the same thing as when you see a pony, 190, etc. running away from a fite and nobody calls for them to be declared a kill.
augering buffs, is just another way of saving your d/k ration or just denying somebody a kill same as when a fighter runs like hell. no difference if you really think about it.
Ask 999000 when was the last time he bailed out of a bomber to support his stats. That guy could care less about getting bombs on target as long as he gets some fighters to intercept him so he can shoot them down. Learn to defend yourself with the aircraft, instead of bailing out to deny someone a kill. Any metagaming in an online game is putrid, and can never be justified.
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guncrasher I take bombers up all the time and I dont bail unless my lead is spinning without a wong or something. In fact I have one bail this entire tour but one of the bomber pilots I have on film (MANY films) bailing when I was at 3.1k... he has over 100 bails this tour alone!
Pretty much I think everything you said is an attempt to be clever but there is no logic to any of it.
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what I am saying is what is the difference between a guy that bails out in buffs or the one that runs in his fighter so he dont get killed. difference is none. neither one wants to get killed. and we all run away on fighters for one reason or another everytime we up. and yet you expect a guy that is going to lose in a buff to stay and fight when we dont do that in fighters. now rethink your position. you want a guy in buff to stay and die and yet you dont think twice of running away in fighter when you know your gonna die. :bolt:
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+1 :aok
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what I am saying is what is the difference between a guy that bails out in buffs or the one that runs in his fighter so he dont get killed. difference is none. neither one wants to get killed. and we all run away on fighters for one reason or another everytime we up. and yet you expect a guy that is going to lose in a buff to stay and fight when we dont do that in fighters. now rethink your position. you want a guy in buff to stay and die and yet you dont think twice of running away in fighter when you know your gonna die. :bolt:
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The guy in the fighter is not bailing out to avoid giving away a kill, he's evading by using his speed to his advantage. If you want to evade in a set of bombers, you're not going to run away--you have to think of another tactic or set of tactics. Think of some advantages bombers in this game have in the MA and exploit them. When you do that, it evens the odds. I used to do a lot of bomber interception in the MA. When I got sloppy against good bomber pilots, I got killed. When I wasn't sloppy, there was still a chance that I would suffer some damage that might prevent me from continuing the sortie.
If you're looking for people to agree with you, you're going to need a much more compelling argument.
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+1 for disabling the ability to bail out of ANY undamaged aircraft. :airplane:
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The guy in the fighter is not bailing out to avoid giving away a kill, he's evading by using his speed to his advantage. If you want to evade in a set of bombers, you're not going to run away--you have to think of another tactic or set of tactics. Think of some advantages bombers in this game have in the MA and exploit them. When you do that, it evens the odds. I used to do a lot of bomber interception in the MA. When I got sloppy against good bomber pilots, I got killed. When I wasn't sloppy, there was still a chance that I would suffer some damage that might prevent me from continuing the sortie.
If you're looking for people to agree with you, you're going to need a much more compelling argument.
no my question to you guys still the same
what is the difference between a fighter that turns tail to avoid a fite where he's gonna die and a buff pilot that bails out when he knows he's at a disadvantage and he's gonna die? None.
and by the way there's really no evading in buffs. you basically have to sit there and take it. true you have guns but then again, this is one of those situations where you want to force somebody to fight when he doesnt want to and expect a kill. and yet nobody here would think of asking for a proxie when a fighter avoids fighting and runs. (running away) and bailing its the same thing, when you really think about it.
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what is the difference between a fighter that turns tail to avoid a fite where he's gonna die and a buff pilot that bails out when he knows he's at a disadvantage and he's gonna die? None.
The fighter still has to make it to a friendly base and land.. and not get caught, or run out of gas.. or get ambushed by a ninja bomber pilot. No 'safe out' like bailing is.
As long as you're airborn, you're exposed. Perhaps a wandering 262 finds you.. or an LA-7..
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Usually if a fighter runs it is to reset their engagement. If a dweeb bomber bails it is b/c he doesn't want to even remotely give a fight. It is just completely lame for ppl to bail instead of fighting. I still have not figured out why ppl are scared to die in a cartoon plane. I am guessing it is for score.
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no my question to you guys still the same
what is the difference between a fighter that turns tail to avoid a fite where he's gonna die and a buff pilot that bails out when he knows he's at a disadvantage and he's gonna die? None.
and by the way there's really no evading in buffs. you basically have to sit there and take it. true you have guns but then again, this is one of those situations where you want to force somebody to fight when he doesnt want to and expect a kill. and yet nobody here would think of asking for a proxie when a fighter avoids fighting and runs. (running away) and bailing its the same thing, when you really think about it.
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The difference is the fighter doesnt BAIL out of his plane. A bomber can always plan ahead by climbing to the edge of the atmosphere and make it much tougher for fighters to knock him down and actually by doing that you even it up (in most cases) to where the fighter will offer up a straight six-twelve exchange of gunfire. The guys that bail in bombers now are doing nothing more than wasting their time and the fighters time by 'pretending' to be on a mission he hasnt got the stones to finish. Once he gets intercepted he bails and starts over and the time spent is not a big deal in bombers but the fighter is shafted for all the time he spent just getting to the bombers alt and in fighters time is a huge part of the equation.
Climbing is the best security feature a bomber has because the majority of players will not climb up that high. Bailing out after someone climbs that high is disrespectful of everyone in the game that is here for a fight.
No... leaving a fight by disengaging and going home is not the same thing and not by a long shot. Thats the 'cute' attempt at being clever I was talking about but it doesnt meet the logic standard. Everyone has the same choices (save when ENY kicks in) when they get to the hangar and when you go to the hangar and select a bomber to fly you should set your mind upon accomplishing your mission and not deciding 'well if I see a fighter I can always BAIL.'
Now that I have thought about it... YES... no bailing without damage I think that sounds good. If someone wants out of their fighter that bad they can just slam it into the ground.
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The difference is the fighter doesnt BAIL out of his plane.
I was in a fight with a well known player and even before I would work his high and fast Ta152 to a co-E/co-alt position, he bailed out. He later told me via PM, "Haha! No kill for you." It didn't bother me one bit, it was his loss, he had all the advantages and decided not to take a chance.
It doesn't matter if they increase the proxy distance bonus to 10k, proxy kills don't go on your score card anyway.
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The SCAREcard of the fighter isnt the point Del (I like that spelling better :D). The point is that if the bomber pilot gives up a kill through proxy then there is more incentive to stay in the bomber. Right now he can bail in plenty of time after seeing an icon and no one gets a kill on him. I mentioned one guy that has 100+ bails so he has to do this every day! I believe that if he sees "ZIPCODE shot you down" three times every time he bails out then he will stop bailing or at least start flying something he has a chance in (obviously he feels he has no chance in a bomber).
Perhaps it is SCORE that the bomber pilot is trying to preserve because a bail mean 50% of damage versus 25% of damage for a death so right there is where the stones come in. He could still have the 50% damage after getting shot and then bailing with damage but I am betting he would be more inclined to FIGHT and thats what you want of players right Del? :)
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no my question to you guys still the same
what is the difference between a fighter that turns tail to avoid a fite where he's gonna die and a buff pilot that bails out when he knows he's at a disadvantage and he's gonna die? None.
I LOL'ed.
You run to dont be killed and be able to land your kills or score more later in sortie.
You bail from intact plane to refuse other guy a kill, but for you its death, you loose, need new plane and so on.
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ive never bailed from bombers but..... im strongly against this.
If you fighter jocks can pork and auger then why shouldnt buffs be able to bail out?
If you stop buffs bailing out, any damage done by a pork and auger plane should be repaired instantly.
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I was in a fight with a well known player and even before I would work his high and fast Ta152 to a co-E/co-alt position, he bailed out. He later told me via PM, "Haha! No kill for you." It didn't bother me one bit, it was his loss, he had all the advantages and decided not to take a chance.
It doesn't matter if they increase the proxy distance bonus to 10k, proxy kills don't go on your score card anyway.
Personally, I think the community should "out" these people on the main forum, every time something like this happens.
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Personally, I think the community should "out" these people on the main forum, every time something like this happens.
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Bailing out of buffs to avoid a fight is not a "tactic".. It's a complete waste of everyone's time... No self respecting buff stick I know would do it....
So reach down low... grab'em tight, man up and fight it out... Hearing about this "tactic" more and more and it's disturbing.. :mad:
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Ok we can go for updating the proxy range to 6k. but lets set a limit on how long a fighter has before he attacks the buff. if you dont attack within 30 seconds when you are within 3k, then the buff will score a kill and you will die. ok j/k about that.
but to be honest lets say you attack a buff, so you will attack when you have the advantage otherwise its a suicide run. in other words you wanna make sure that if you die you at least get one kill. that's fair. so you only want to attack when you have the advantage (altitude, or pilot is busy dropping eggs, whatever), but if you dont have the advantage you wont attack. in fact u can turn around and run. or you can attack get one or two kill change your mind because you run out of ammo or whatever and leave.
isnt the fighter turning around the same as a buff augering, because he dont have the advantage of a sure, or semi-sure kill? but of course when the fighter leaves its called being smart, but if the buff pilot bails then he's a squeaker when in fact its all the same thing. which is is also the same thing as when you see a pony, 190, etc. running away from a fite and nobody calls for them to be declared a kill.
augering buffs, is just another way of saving your d/k ration or just denying somebody a kill same as when a fighter runs like hell. no difference if you really think about it. :salute
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Honestly how did you come up with this?
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Question for the guys who support bombers doing this. Why play an online combat game if you don't want to fight? You can bomb the strats offline and have no chance of being intercepted.
If it is score you are after, do you feel like you beat an arcade game by getting a high score after entering the cheat codes?
We aren't talking about a guy at a disadvantage, we're talking about a guy who has three perfectly good bombers who bails the moment an enemy fighter nears the 3k yard mark. It doesn't matter what the fighter is or how it is positioned, they just give up.
I do not understand these mentalities.
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What thats nonsense there afriad to fight a fighter while in a bomber
1. bombers have more guns
2. your gonna die anyway so why not try to shoot the fighter down
Chalenge do you agree with me or no <S>
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I fly buffs quite a bit... and I have to say that I either RTB after a successful raid, or I go down with the ships fighting. It irritates me to no end when I go up after buffs in a fighter and they bail before I reach them. But to restrict people from not being able to bail an undamaged plane doesnt make sense either.
To me... part of the challenge of flying bombers is defending them, and getting them home successfully after a good drop, and a good fight. I get a little disappointed when I complete a mission and no fighters came up after me.
Oh... and ".squelch GrnEagle Jr"
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i feel the same way since i flew with the DHBG and 91st Bomber group it sucks when nobody comes after you
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Personally, I think the community should "out" these people on the main forum, every time something like this happens.
I'll put together a web page and everyone can send me screen shots. We can call it "Lame Play of the Day" :devil
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Another thought. Make the score penalty the same for bailing out as it is for being shot down. If there is no advantage to bailing, maybe they won't do it.
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I have seen 60 bombers (180 total) bail this tour
Hmmm
I've seen zero bombers bail this tour.
We must have different playing styles.
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Hmmm
I've seen zero bombers bail this tour.
We must have different playing styles.
You havent killed a whole lot of bombers by comparison either. Probably you are not trying to.
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I have seen 60 bombers (180 total) bail this tour
seriously, ive not seen ANY bail. but then ive not been on when grillman has been on :noid:
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Personally, I think the community should "out" these people on the main forum, every time something like this happens.
Agreed, changing the game settings for a few that are 'gaming the game' isn't worth the effort.
I'll put together a web page and everyone can send me screen shots. We can call it "Lame Play of the Day" :devil
I don't think it would matter much, the community hasn't done a great job of policing itself. If it had, we would still have channel 1 enabled, ENY wouldn't exist, some of the guys that consistently make the score boards every month would actually have skill, and shade account killers wouldn't be as respected as they are now.
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Personally, I think the community should "out" these people on the main forum, every time something like this happens.
I think thats contrary to the rules and might get the ban stick brought into things.
No Del this is one case where changing the rules will help things out. Sometimes the action of one individual brings about changes that do improve things. I am interested in who it is that is 'respected' and yet is vulching shades? Intrigued actually.
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Another thought. Make the score penalty the same for bailing out as it is for being shot down. If there is no advantage to bailing, maybe they won't do it.
I believe, its not about score penalty. The only reason is to deny other ppl a kill ("Haha! No kill for you" (c) ), so extending proxy range to 6k should help I hope. And I dont see any negative effects from it, other than screwing suckers of course.
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The only reason is to deny other ppl a kill ("Haha! No kill for you" (c) ), so extending proxy range to 6k should help I hope.
That is just it, unless you're looking for back slapping when you land kills, proxy kills do nothing for you anyway. They can increase the distance to 3k to 10k, it doesn't help the score potatos, and frankly that is the whole reason the change is desired to begin with.
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That is just it, unless you're looking for back slapping when you land kills, proxy kills do nothing for you anyway. They can increase the distance to 3k to 10k, it doesn't help the score potatos, and frankly that is the whole reason the change is desired to begin with.
That would be incorrect Del. The whole reason is to get the bailing bombers to stop bailing. I know its hard but try to keep up. :rolleyes:
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Another thought. Make the score penalty the same for bailing out as it is for being shot down. If there is no advantage to bailing, maybe they won't do it.
Players bailing from intact buffs to help their score is a myth.
Because bailing from buffs has no advantage in regards of score. A "bail" is a "death" for score purposes. Your damage/death will decrease, your damage/sortie will be unaffected.
because a bail mean 50% of damage versus 25% of damage for a death so right there is where the stones come in.
You don't need much damage points for a good score, you are hurting yourself more by wrecking your damage/death
And as there is no damage/time score category you don't gain anything from it - you just lose.
A true scoreboy will try do whatever it takes to survive, using altitude, speed, smart routing and his guns in case he is still getting intercepted.
People bailing from intact buffs are not interested in getting a good score. It's either to deny the enemy any kills, or (I guess most of the time) it's the basegrabbers that are interested in getting the next 42k of ordnance to the enemy base as quick as possible.
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(I guess most of the time) it's the basegrabbers that are interested in getting the next 42k of ordnance to the enemy base as quick as possible.
That is exactly what it is.
The whole reason is to get the bailing bombers to stop bailing.
When I said this...
They can increase the distance to 3k to 10k, it doesn't help the score potatos, and frankly that is the whole reason the change is desired to begin with.
I wasn't talking about the bomber pilots, I was talking about the fighter pilots that keep one eye on the altimeter and the other on the score board.
I know its hard but try to keep up. :rolleyes:
I am keeping up just fine, if this was boxing I'd be 3 rounds ahead. :devil
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I wasn't talking about the bomber pilots, I was talking about the fighter pilots that keep one eye on the altimeter and the other on the score board.
It doesnt make the logic text to me Del. Please explain in detail what you mean.
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It's good to see members of the community coming together wanting HTC to make an arbitrary change to the game, that only affects bomber pilots, and it really doesn't add or change anything when you get down do it. :aok
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its funny how some people will come up with just about any excuse just to get a kill :D. I really wish the kills were separated by actual kill and proxies :devil.
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I wasn't talking about the bomber pilots, I was talking about the fighter pilots that keep one eye on the altimeter and the other on the score board.
Why didn't you just say you are talking about me? :cool:
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its funny how some people will come up with just about any excuse just to get a kill :D. I really wish the kills were separated by actual kill and proxies :devil.
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The idea is keep guys from bailing which is pretty weak. Do you do this (bail) or do you have a better idea? No? :D
Motion carried!
The wish is for no bail to be possible unless an aircraft is damaged!
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Why didn't you just say you are talking about me? :cool:
I wasn't.
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The wish is for no bail to be possible unless an aircraft is damaged!
Instead they will just auger before you get within 3k if they aren't carrying anymore eggs.
You can't fix the problem by re-'coading' the game, its a problem with the player not the game itself.
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The idea is keep guys from bailing which is pretty weak. Do you do this (bail) or do you have a better idea? No? :D
Motion carried!
The wish is for no bail to be possible unless an aircraft is damaged!
dude I also wish that the ponies and fw's would turn in less than 1 sector so I can kill them. I say if I chase them for more than 3k and they keep on running that's an automatic kill for me. that will stop people from avoiding a fite, which is the SAME as your buffs bailing. :devil
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dude I also wish that the ponies and fw's would turn in less than 1 sector so I can kill them. I say if I chase them for more than 3k and they keep on running that's an automatic kill for me. that will stop people from avoiding a fite, which is the SAME as your buffs bailing. :devil
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Now THAT would be lame and if things went the way you suggest everyone would fly low and slow for proxies.
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Instead they will just auger before you get within 3k if they aren't carrying anymore eggs.
You can't fix the problem by re-'coading' the game, its a problem with the player not the game itself.
I dont have a problem with the game but I do have a problem with your setting conditions upon the 'bailers' as if they are empty every time. I have caught the perpetrator just outside of his target (Strats) before he gets to it and seen him bail. I have caught them just shy of the first airfield and they bail. I have caught them 5k in the air and just about to start dive-bombing on a CV and they bail. I am not the only one that sees this happen. I think re-'coading' is in order though. And for the record if they can auger from 24k before they get shot they deserve what they get.
The real question is what have you got to fear from making this change? :D
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And for the record if they can auger from 24k before they get shot they deserve what they get.
Easily done... see icon for 35k P51 closing, put nose down, rip wings and bail. They don't even need to hit the ground.
The real question is what have you got to fear from making this change? :D
All I am saying is you cannot 'coad' behavior. If that was the case, Skuzzy would have a lot less problems on the forums. Some people will find a way to game the game and do whatever is self-centered, no matter if it takes away from overall game play. Get used to it...
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Instead they will just auger before you get within 3k if they aren't carrying anymore eggs.
You can't fix the problem by re-'coading' the game, its a problem with the player not the game itself.
Agreed on programming behavior. I believe the OP suggested that the proxy range be bumped to 6k to force them to give up a kill before they bailed, unless they simply bailed anytime they suspected the dot on the horizon was enemy. What we're trying to combat is the "No kill for you" crowd, not the suicide lanc-stukas.
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Whats the point we are really talking about here? Is it that bailing from a good plane is lame, or is it the OP is worried about not adding another easy kill to his scoreboard?
Sure bailing from a good plane is lame, but it doesn't effect how the game is played. As for the OP, he's happy to float around at 25k looking for bombers to kill anyway, another group will be along in a few minutes anyway. He's plan is to be there anyway, it's not like he "wasted" his time to get there.
So the only issue I see is the OP is worried about missing out on all those kills. Next thing you kow we'll have newbs in here wishing for all the planes to fly straiter long so they don't miss out on as many kills either :rolleyes:
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So what your saying is you want the ability to bail from a perfectly good plane and not give up a kill to remain in the game? That will encourage this to catch on worse than it is and its pretty bad right now. Of course the people that hug the terrain and suffer from fear of heights will never have a problem with this but for me its not the kill but the fight. If you want to encourage these NOOBs like yourself to continue to bail thats on you but I want the fight once I have gone to the trouble to fly up there I deserve that much.
I think your attitude is disrespectful of anyone that enjoys a good fight. Shame on you!
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I think Lynx has had about the best responce I have seen in regards to bomb & bail types. OK chaps there is Berlin every one out. Or words to that effect. As far as the auguring types go I think if they are caught on film 3 times or more in a month the only bomber they can take up is a B5N for a month. If you you are going to do it on a regular basis you may as well be historically correct.
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I doubt either one of these people against 'fixing' the bailers would even attack bombers at altitude. :devil
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I doubt either one of these people against 'fixing' the bailers would even attack bombers at altitude. :devil
by the time you get to their altitude most of the time they already dropped ords. I let them go. point is to stop buffs before they drop, unless I am bored in which case I'll follow them. by the time i catch up to them, most of the time I just want sorty to end, cause by now I am really bored. this again is a thread where somebody wants to regulate behavior you dont like. There's lot of us who think ponies, 190's and all the other fast planes are mostly used for one thing, and that is to run. most will only pick and when in trouble point head down and run. I wish players who only picked would get penalized by involuntary ejection from their "skilled" plane. then again, that's how they like to fly, nothing i can do about that. same as for buffs that bail. nothing you can do about that. You want to attack some buffs that wont bail. ask 999 where he flies, he more than gladly will tell ya.
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So what your saying is you want the ability to bail from a perfectly good plane and not give up a kill to remain in the game? That will encourage this to catch on worse than it is and its pretty bad right now. Of course the people that hug the terrain and suffer from fear of heights will never have a problem with this but for me its not the kill but the fight. If you want to encourage these NOOBs like yourself to continue to bail thats on you but I want the fight once I have gone to the trouble to fly up there I deserve that much.
I think your attitude is disrespectful of anyone that enjoys a good fight. Shame on you!
LOL !!! I think you are in need of some serious help !!
First off I have been playing this game for close to 10 YEARS, add to that another half dozen in Air Warrior. Calling me a "noob" is almost the most idiotic thing you have posted in some time, and you post some dozies !
Second, you should READ these boards more instead of just posting the drivel that you do. Had you read a few you would know that I am one of the BIGGEST supporters of "the fight".
If someone wants to climb for an hour only to drop his bombs, and bail at the first sign of trouble, go for it. Who am I to say how they should play. I have suggested that those that do those lame things are missing out on a larger part of the game. I think you climbing to 25k and lurking around to jump buffs is lame, but hey if you like it go for it. I wouldn't consider it "fighting" by a long shot, but to each his own.
From what I read in the post, I saw someone who was looking for a game change only so he can get a few more kills added to his score sheet, NOT to make better game play. So if calling a sheep a sheep is disrespectful, then I guess I am.
....oh and by the way, if your looking for a "fight" try dropping down under 10K where most of them happen. You'll find me down there too. I don't know if I'll give you a good fight, but I won't bail on ya until my plane is a burning fuselage about to plant it self into the ground.
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what I am saying is what is the difference between a guy that bails out in buffs or the one that runs in his fighter so he dont get killed. difference is none. neither one wants to get killed. and we all run away on fighters for one reason or another everytime we up. and yet you expect a guy that is going to lose in a buff to stay and fight when we dont do that in fighters. now rethink your position. you want a guy in buff to stay and die and yet you dont think twice of running away in fighter when you know your gonna die. :bolt:
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Difference is the fighter pilot didn't jump out of his plane. His plane didn't die. He didn't die. If you jump, your plane crashes into the ground. It's not the same as going home and landing. Your plane didn't make it home, therefore the guy that forced you to jump should get the kill.
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therefore the guy that forced you to jump should get the kill.
The only problem with that is that the bomber pilot may have bailed just cause hes a "bomb and bail" dweeb... the fighter pilot may have had nothing to do with it. If any penalty should be assessed to the bomber pilot for bailing... how about this:
Enemy con must be within icon range for 3 or more minutes. If the pilot bails after the 3 minute mark while there is an enemy aircraft within icon range, the closest enemy pilot gets the kill.
This could be applied to ANY aircraft... not just bombers. And its fair. You could make the range whatever works best... 6K, 3K, 1K... as long as it is the same across the board.
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Second, you should READ these boards more instead of just posting the drivel that you do. Had you read a few you would know that I am one of the BIGGEST supporters of "the fight".
You are not supporting a fight in this thread noob. Either lead follow or get out of the way.
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by the time you get to their altitude most of the time they already dropped ords.
You start off by assuming things which are incorrect. I have these guys (and one in particular) on film bailing BEFORE they get to the target area.
Face it your just wrong.
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This would not work at all. I know I've upped and flown 5 minutes just to have to bail to go help out a squaddie someplace or of such things as that.
Honestly, I think the inability to bail out of an undamaged aircraft would be the best way to go. If you have something you need to do suddenly, such as a squad op, auger it.
+1000000 for this!!!
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You start off by assuming things which are incorrect. I have these guys (and one in particular) on film bailing BEFORE they get to the target area.
Face it your just wrong.
This is not the norm. It happens occasionally, but most Bomb'N'Bailers bail only after dropping their ords. It's the flatten hangars, rinse & repeat routine.
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You are not supporting a fight in this thread noob. Either lead follow or get out of the way.
LOL!!! again with the "noob", what a dork.
OK lets look at it this way. You made your proposal. I think it lacks enough info to convince me, but I'm not the one who needs convincing. So I suggest.... if you think you have even the slightest possibility of pushing something like this through.... that you try and convince Hitech. Now if you have been reading the boards you'll know that Hitech is no fool and reads though stupid request with ease. Convince him that what your requesting is in no way so you can add more kills to your scoresheet.
Of the 32 people flying B24s you have shot down only 5 of them have been a multiple of 3 which means for the most part you blast through once and haul ass. To me and many others this is NOT fighting, it's score padding.
So oh great and all knowing one, convince Hitech of your "honorable" intend on the original suggestion. I enjoy reading your.... posts :rolleyes:
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Fugi check PM pls.
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Fugi check PM pls.
Go it Bronk, thanks <S>
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LOL!!! again with the "noob", what a dork.
OK lets look at it this way. You made your proposal. I think it lacks enough info to convince me, but I'm not the one who needs convincing. So I suggest.... if you think you have even the slightest possibility of pushing something like this through.... that you try and convince Hitech. Now if you have been reading the boards you'll know that Hitech is no fool and reads though stupid request with ease. Convince him that what your requesting is in no way so you can add more kills to your scoresheet.
Of the 32 people flying B24s you have shot down only 5 of them have been a multiple of 3 which means for the most part you blast through once and haul ass. To me and many others this is NOT fighting, it's score padding.
So oh great and all knowing one, convince Hitech of your "honorable" intend on the original suggestion. I enjoy reading your.... posts :rolleyes:
You are a NOOB Fugitive because after all this time (10 years you claim) in AH you have learned nothing. Obviously you dont know what its like to attack escorted bombers in large formations and that is the fight I look for and the fighters greatest fight. I call you a NOOB because you have not yet discovered that this is the greatest thrill a fighter pilot can ever experience (even actual WWII fighter pilots said it was that way). Shooting down an entire formation of bombers only happens when you find them alone but when you find them in large formations and with escorts you have to take what you get AND now that formations generally attack the STRATS you almost certainly have other 'friendlies' attacking the same formations. You are a NOOB because none of that even slightly occured to you.
You are a MORON because you had to resort to insult rather than stick to logic and reasoning (and I am defining the term here rather than resorting to insult myself). If you lack the intelligence to reason your way through an argument without implementing your own 'imagined circumstances' about someone elses flying and fighting than you should refrain from comment altogether and it is obvious you do in fact suffer from this problem.
Now I will tell you the REAL reason I would like to see this changed (not that I have to and you certainly do not deserve it). The proper way to attack bombers is not the NOOB method of climbing up someones six and shooting from the 'slot' of a formation like you see people do (I would think you would be one of those since you obviously do not know how this works). When you find a single formation of three bombers its the same as if you came across an entire squadron and you should attack the same way the luftwaffe did in WWII (from the front). The proper way to do this is to establish the heading and altitude of the formation and to climb at least 2k above and 5k out in front of the formation before attacking.Now what ends up happening once you have mastered this is that the bomber pilots get to know you and they can spot someone that knows what they are doing right off. So what ends up happening to me (and at 30k or higher) is that the first bomber I kill tells them who it is attacking and they wait until I set up for the second attack and bail OR they see the setup for the first pass and they bail. Bombers dont do that in large formation obviously and there are some very good bomber pilots that do not do that because they have learned how to make it more difficult to attack them but the lone formations that dont know any better than a NOOB like fugitive do bail.
Now fugitive you should pay for your crime of NOOBishness by being forced to climb to 30k sixty times way back behind your lines where there is no other enemy to fight and have your target bail on you. This is not about score. I can always kill six noobs in spits fast enough to make up for the sorties where bombers bailed. This is about fights that are thrown away.
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You are a NOOB Fugitive because after all this time (10 years you claim) in AH you have learned nothing. Obviously you dont know what its like to attack escorted bombers in large formations and that is the fight I look for and the fighters greatest fight. I call you a NOOB because you have not yet discovered that this is the greatest thrill a fighter pilot can ever experience (even actual WWII fighter pilots said it was that way). Shooting down an entire formation of bombers only happens when you find them alone but when you find them in large formations and with escorts you have to take what you get AND now that formations generally attack the STRATS you almost certainly have other 'friendlies' attacking the same formations. You are a NOOB because none of that even slightly occured to you.
You are a MORON because you had to resort to insult rather than stick to logic and reasoning (and I am defining the term here rather than resorting to insult myself). If you lack the intelligence to reason your way through an argument without implementing your own 'imagined circumstances' about someone elses flying and fighting than you should refrain from comment altogether and it is obvious you do in fact suffer from this problem.
How can you start the 2nd paragraph with an insult then finish the same sentence by saying that you won't resort to insults. Furthermore how can you can claim that you won't implement your own "imagined circumstances about someone else flying and fighting" after you spend the entire first paragraph of your post projecting a certain flying style on Fugi.
Finally framing the opinion that bomber escort is the greatest thrill of a fighter pilot as fact is a poor argument that has nothing to stand on.
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Soulyss you obviously didnt understand what I was saying. Definition of moron: one who resorts to insult... etc.
I also never said escorting bombers is a great thrill... what I said (or tried to convey) is that attacking escorted large formation of bombers is the greatest fight a fighter pilot could hope for. Yes its 'fun' to have a good 1v1 but you stick your nose in on a large formation and try to pick off a bomber and see what it does for the thrill factor.
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and by the way there's really no evading in buffs. you basically have to sit there and take it.
False.
Three examples:
1. I'm in a set of Lancs over 24K when a P-51 attacks me. He gets both my drones then it turns into an all-out dogfight. Lancs perform very well at high alt vs. a single engine prop plane. The P-51 finally gets frustrated and leaves. I fly home and land my remaining Lanc.
2. I'm in a set of AR234's being chased by a ME262. As he approaches I dive to my maximum speed, then lift the nose to try to get a shot with my cannon. I miss. I turn left to swing my drones out wide then right back toward them while also using the vertical. I keep doing this frustrating the 262's shot opportunities. All the while I'm losing alt and headed toward my base. I finally screem in over the ack at over 500 mph. The 262 turns for home (5-6 sectors away) and I turn and land all three of my 262's.
3. I'm in a set of Bostons when a P-51 comes in from behind me. Like the 262's I use left and right manouvers to swing my drones out wide then turn back into them reversing the swing. Again I'm diving continually toward my base. The P-51 finally runs out of ammo after killing one engine on one of my drones. I fly home to land all three Bostons.
The point is you can manouver and you don't have to just sit there and take it.
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False.
Three examples:
1. I'm in a set of Lancs over 24K when a P-51 attacks me. He gets both my drones then it turns into an all-out dogfight. Lancs perform very well at high alt vs. a single engine prop plane. The P-51 finally gets frustrated and leaves. I fly home and land my remaining Lanc.
2. I'm in a set of AR234's being chased by a ME262. As he approaches I dive to my maximum speed, then lift the nose to try to get a shot with my cannon. I miss. I turn left to swing my drones out wide then right back toward them while also using the vertical. I keep doing this frustrating the 262's shot opportunities. All the while I'm losing alt and headed toward my base. I finally screem in over the ack at over 500 mph. The 262 turns for home (5-6 sectors away) and I turn and land all three of my 262's.
3. I'm in a set of Bostons when a P-51 comes in from behind me. Like the 262's I use left and right manouvers to swing my drones out wide then turn back into them reversing the swing. Again I'm diving continually toward my base. The P-51 finally runs out of ammo after killing one engine on one of my drones. I fly home to land all three Bostons.
The point is you can manouver and you don't have to just sit there and take it.
1 your two drones that got killed just sat there and took it, doub it that you will dogfite to victory (landing remaining buff is a victory in my book) with a pony. not very often anyway.
2 I dont fly ar234's so I dont have anything to say about that, so my guess is if you find a plane you just dive to the ground.
3 bostons take so much damage, at least the few times I encountered them, that i would just sit there and kill the pony.
then again as a general rule you fly buffs, you are most likely to fly them straight and let your gunning talk for you. and I say that as one of the best b17's dogfiters in AW. my b17's and one gunner killed lots of fiters drop on target then made it back. but this is AH, little more realistic. :D.
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Being a bomber pilot myself i find it a shame that after dropping Ordinance on a base you bail. Hate it, quite badly too. People who bail for that reason should be hung by their ****s, if they have any for that matter. Anyone to disagree must be out of their mind... I couldn't care less of the score but when I've just given my time to get up to 20k+ i expect that person to put up a fight, or let me kill them, not have them bail.
Skuzzy if I'm breaking the rule by any chance, go ahead and do what you got to do.
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You are a NOOB Fugitive because after all this time (10 years you claim) in AH you have learned nothing. Obviously you dont know what its like to attack escorted bombers in large formations and that is the fight I look for and the fighters greatest fight. I call you a NOOB because you have not yet discovered that this is the greatest thrill a fighter pilot can ever experience (even actual WWII fighter pilots said it was that way). Shooting down an entire formation of bombers only happens when you find them alone but when you find them in large formations and with escorts you have to take what you get AND now that formations generally attack the STRATS you almost certainly have other 'friendlies' attacking the same formations. You are a NOOB because none of that even slightly occured to you.
You are a MORON because you had to resort to insult rather than stick to logic and reasoning (and I am defining the term here rather than resorting to insult myself). If you lack the intelligence to reason your way through an argument without implementing your own 'imagined circumstances' about someone elses flying and fighting than you should refrain from comment altogether and it is obvious you do in fact suffer from this problem.
Now I will tell you the REAL reason I would like to see this changed (not that I have to and you certainly do not deserve it). The proper way to attack bombers is not the NOOB method of climbing up someones six and shooting from the 'slot' of a formation like you see people do (I would think you would be one of those since you obviously do not know how this works). When you find a single formation of three bombers its the same as if you came across an entire squadron and you should attack the same way the luftwaffe did in WWII (from the front). The proper way to do this is to establish the heading and altitude of the formation and to climb at least 2k above and 5k out in front of the formation before attacking.Now what ends up happening once you have mastered this is that the bomber pilots get to know you and they can spot someone that knows what they are doing right off. So what ends up happening to me (and at 30k or higher) is that the first bomber I kill tells them who it is attacking and they wait until I set up for the second attack and bail OR they see the setup for the first pass and they bail. Bombers dont do that in large formation obviously and there are some very good bomber pilots that do not do that because they have learned how to make it more difficult to attack them but the lone formations that dont know any better than a NOOB like fugitive do bail.
Now fugitive you should pay for your crime of NOOBishness by being forced to climb to 30k sixty times way back behind your lines where there is no other enemy to fight and have your target bail on you. This is not about score. I can always kill six noobs in spits fast enough to make up for the sorties where bombers bailed. This is about fights that are thrown away.
WOW !!! Holy Crap ! It's like you have been flying at 30k watching me fly !!! You have my style pegged PERFECTLY !!! :rolleyes:
oh, and for that little side step you tried, as defined by Websters...
Moron
Noun
1. A person of subnormal intelligence.
So your little line of BS "(and I am defining the term here rather than resorting to insult myself)." doesn't fly, be a man admit you were being two faced with your statement like Soulyss mentioned.
Back on topic... Killing groups of buffs are easy in most cases. I prefer a slashing attack above and along the 3-9 line, but will come in on a dead six run if I think I can finish off a group BEFORE they drop. You see I like the hangers to be left up, why? Because I like to have something to fight with, after all thats what the games all about, fighting. Killing buffs isn't fighting.
Everyone knows your style of play. Your a points player. You do what ever it takes to get the best possible points that you can, and that is fine..... for you. Going after buffs is a good way to get points. Most buff pilots are newbs. Most of the ones you have listed on your kill page aren't even in the top 1500 in bomber let alone over all score. So you have little risk, and a large target.... keeps that hit percentage up. And with the new "strats" set-up you pretty sure "where" they are going to be. The problem is that with most newbs, they don't know how to fight.... thats why most are in buffs :aok So while you have players with little skill at the other end of your guns you also have people who know that they have a poor score page, and pretty much know they can't win a fight so they bail..... why pad someone elses score board.
How about this, I hate climbing over 12K. I just don't have the time to waste. Unlike you I don't have 236 hours to put into a game for the month, I have a few other things I have to take care of. So my "wish" would be that nobody can fly over 12k. That way I have the chance to get in on these easy buff kills as well as a chance to fight the #4 over all guy on the scoreboard.... just to see how I stack up :devil
For the record, I think bailing from a perfectly good plane is VERY lame, it's right up there with HOing in my book. Gaming the Game has been here for ever and HTC isn't going to change things to stop people from playing the way that they want as long as it doesn't hit his pocket. Your wish is nothing more than a whine. So is mine, but my wish has the added advantage of being good for the game as it would promote more fighting because well, anyone can make it to 12k pretty quick. :D
If you feel disappointed/robbed of your just rewards stop climbing to 30K just hit buffs. I get frustrated diving into hordes so I try to avoid that. I would love to see the hordes broken up, but I'm not going to suggest HTC change the code to do it.... though I'm sure they will if the hordes keep going. Who knows what it will be, last time it was split arenas. I do endlessly suggest to the hordlings to step outside the hordes. To learn to fight on their own. You don't want a fight, you want a score. Take what you can get, but please, can we get rid of the "holier than thou" attitude here on the boards?
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You missed the point entirely Fugitive but you do prove once and for all you fit the bill nicely. :devil
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You missed the point entirely Fugitive but you do prove once and for all you fit the bill nicely. :devil
oh I think I got the point, you want it set up so you won't miss out on getting 60 more kills added to your score. It's really pretty simple.
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BaldEgl has it right. Teach these kids how to fly bombers and they have a chance to survive and therefore a challenge. A well flow defensive bomber can be a tough nut to crack. I for one, think bombing is as much fun as watching grass grow. When I do get CONed into it, I dump the ords and bail. I don't have the time for another 45 minute flight back home. If there is someone climbing up to get me, I'll hang out and duke it with him. Same result, I don't have a 45 minute flight home.
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oh I think I got the point, you want it set up so you won't miss out on getting 60 more kills added to your score. It's really pretty simple.
See you just dont get it but low man on the totem never does (ergo: NOOB).
Bombers at 30k are NOT slow. You cannot make a slashing attack on bombers at 30k with any assurance of hitting the line you intend. Its not possible because of the speeds involved and therefore you prove you have never done it.
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So as a pure fighter pilot you've never gone after a bomber? You strictly just dogfight?
oh I think I got the point, you want it set up so you won't miss out on getting 60 more kills added to your score. It's really pretty simple.
It is very bothersome to spend 5-10 minutes trailing buffs just to have them bail.
In no way does this have to do with score padding, it has to do with time spent. What if you've been having a 1 on 1 for a few moments, made a few passes but no shots hit............ Then the enemy decides to bail out 3.5k from you?
How would you feel sir?
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So as a pure fighter pilot you've never gone after a bomber? You strictly just dogfight?
It is very bothersome to spend 5-10 minutes trailing buffs just to have them bail.
In no way does this have to do with score padding, it has to do with time spent. What if you've been having a 1 on 1 for a few moments, made a few passes but no shots hit............ Then the enemy decides to bail out 3.5k from you?
How would you feel sir?
Much the same as I would running into your horde of a squad. However I would NOT "wish" for HTC to change his code so that your horde couldn't get together. I DO suggest that your horde.... err squadmates step outside the horde to see what they are missing, to learn how better to play the game and so make it more fun for everyone.
See you just dont get it but low man on the totem never does (ergo: NOOB).
Bombers at 30k are NOT slow. You cannot make a slashing attack on bombers at 30k with any assurance of hitting the line you intend. Its not possible because of the speeds involved and therefore you prove you have never done it.
I never said I did do it, I've never been to 30k. Come to think of it I don't think I've ever been to 20k. I just don't have the time. I DO attack buff groups all the time. Some I win, some I loose, but in none of them would I really call it a fight. You choose to play the game by climbing to 30k and hope to "pick" newbs trying to milk strats. The price you pay is sometimes they bail on you before you can get close enough to grab the proxy. I like to fly lower to get into more fights more often. The price I pay is I have to fight LLogann and his horde/squad.
The difference is while you whine to HTC to change the code so you can get your proxies, I don't look to HTC to fix the hordes, I just fly some place else.
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Then plain and simple you have no business replying in this topic. End of story.
You are not a fighter pilot you are a spit-baller. You dont know a good fight... period.
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And whilst we're being crass, what is all of this "wongless spinning"? It sounds downright scandalous, if you ask me.
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Thats what happens when someone doesnt have the stones to fight it out (re: wongless spinning).
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:lol Where you been? We stopped large group attacks months ago.
I DO suggest that your horde.... err squadmates step outside the horde to see what they are missing, to learn how better to play the game and so make it more fun for everyone.
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Yesterday thndrEGG made another run at rook strats (mission) for which the 99th escorted (and I just happened to tag along). I saw the same guy up an F4U (auger) and then a 262 (killed outright) and finally a P-47M (shot down) and altogether there were three 262s that died at least 5 152s and a dozen P-47s (Ms and Ns). I think we lost four or five bombers.
This is a great deal more fun than fighting spits at 2k I can tell you and it teaches you more about handling an airplane than you would ever learn flying at tree level.
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This is a great deal more fun than fighting spits at 2k I can tell you and it teaches you more about handling an airplane than you would ever learn flying at tree level.
In the interest of the entire community, they are both different skill sets that contribute to the full spectrum of flying that makes up Aces High. I'm just glad there's both a catalyst for it finally, and players that enjoy the high altitude combat.
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+1 on the OP.
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Then plain and simple you have no business replying in this topic. End of story.
You are not a fighter pilot you are a spit-baller. You dont know a good fight... period.
I just love how you ignore the whole point, you want HTC to code it so people can't play the game the way they want. You WANT to fly to 30k and pick newbs, thats fine. If someone "wishes" that nobody be allowed over 20k you would loose all that fun should HTC implement that wish. Your wish is as stupid as that one.
As for "a fight" I'm beginning to think you wouldn't know what to do if you actually got into one, thats why you fly up there picking off newbs.
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Then plain and simple you have no business replying in this topic. End of story.
You are not a fighter pilot you are a spit-baller. You dont know a good fight... period.
No offense but if you think flying at 30k hunting buffs is an example of a good fight, you're the one that doesn't know what a good fight is.
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The only problem with that is that the bomber pilot may have bailed just cause hes a "bomb and bail" dweeb... the fighter pilot may have had nothing to do with it. If any penalty should be assessed to the bomber pilot for bailing... how about this:
Enemy con must be within icon range for 3 or more minutes. If the pilot bails after the 3 minute mark while there is an enemy aircraft within icon range, the closest enemy pilot gets the kill.
This could be applied to ANY aircraft... not just bombers. And its fair. You could make the range whatever works best... 6K, 3K, 1K... as long as it is the same across the board.
What is fair is for a fighter in range to get the kill if someone bails. If he's a bomb-n-bail dweeb, then he gives others some free kills.
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No offense but if you think flying at 30k hunting buffs is an example of a good fight, you're the one that doesn't know what a good fight is.
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Pretty poor of you to assume that since I was talking about the escorting perspective which if you are a true P-38 pilot should interest you in particular but... obviously you are a dweeb. :D
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I just love how you ignore the whole point, you want HTC to code it so people can't play the game the way they want. You WANT to fly to 30k and pick newbs, thats fine. If someone "wishes" that nobody be allowed over 20k you would loose all that fun should HTC implement that wish. Your wish is as stupid as that one.
As for "a fight" I'm beginning to think you wouldn't know what to do if you actually got into one, thats why you fly up there picking off newbs.
Yes! If bailing from a fight is what they want it should be prohibited.
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Pretty poor of you to assume that since I was talking about the escorting perspective which if you are a true P-38 pilot should interest you in particular but... obviously you are a dweeb. :D
Ahh...the insults go flying. No, I just know what the difference between what a good fight is and isn't. Chasing escorts and bombers at 30k isn't my definition of a good fight, though the immersion factor may make it enjoyable for someone that likes to spend the time climbing that high.
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Actually... dweeb :neener:... its the closest thing to an historically accurate fight you can find in the arena except that for the most part you are killing airplanes that should be on your side. On the downside most of the people that try to intercept dont know how to handle planes at altitude and the so-called 'experts' are too busy spit-balling (not that they would do any better).
I would claim (and do) that unless you are purist enough to enjoy this you are in fact either a NOOB or a DWEEB. Point made.
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Modified wish: Instead of allowing a 'free non-perk kill' for dweebs that bail how about a modified text buffer message like:
"bailing player showed great fear in the face of the enemy."
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Actually... dweeb :neener:... its the closest thing to an historically accurate fight you can find in the arena
You sound like VOSS with the insults to those that don't agree with your timid fighting style.
Going after bombers at 30k, isn't the only closest thing to a historically accurate fight in the arena, there are other types of aerial fights that are just as historically accurate (talking about the fighting and not the planes involved). On the Eastern Front, most fights occured at medium to low altitudes that you most commonly see in the arenas, in addition to the furballs you see near bases or over GV battles.
You're just picking one aspect of the air war and because that fits your timid flying style, you come to the conclusion that it's the only 'real fight' there is. Maybe if you weren't so timid, you'd see that there is more to the game than just flying at 30k trying to save fuel.
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Actually... dweeb :neener:... its the closest thing to an historically accurate fight you can find in the arena except that for the most part you are killing airplanes that should be on your side. On the downside most of the people that try to intercept dont know how to handle planes at altitude and the so-called 'experts' are too busy spit-balling (not that they would do any better).
I would claim (and do) that unless you are purist enough to enjoy this you are in fact either a NOOB or a DWEEB. Point made.
about the only point you have made is that once again, you haven't a clue as to what your talking about.
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You sound like VOSS with the insults to those that don't agree with your timid fighting style.
Ouch that stung! lol :rofl Sorry you dont have a clue about that. Obviously you have never fought me and you WISH I was timid.
Its typical of the spit-ballers to insist theirs is the only fight and that its 'boring' to climb up to 30k for a few bombers. What I find absolutely boring is the same thing over and over at 5k repeated every day in the arena and now that we finally have a good number of bombers flying you spit-ballers will do anything you can to stop it.
Absolutely hilarious.
Fugitive you never have a point to make... ever.
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Ouch that stung! lol :rofl Sorry you dont have a clue about that. Obviously you have never fought me and you WISH I was timid.
I have fought shot you down and it also involved chasing you down after you blew a pick attempt but that's another matter for another time when we're reminiscing about all the timid pilots we've encountered.
But if you would like to be reminded again, we can always set up some time and have a few rounds but I don't think you'll accept the challenge because it wouldn't entail spending 15 minutes grabbing to 30k and running from me.
Its typical of the spit-ballers to insist theirs is the only fight and that its 'boring' to climb up to 30k for a few bombers. What I find absolutely boring is the same thing over and over at 5k repeated every day in the arena and now that we finally have a good number of bombers flying you spit-ballers will do anything you can to stop it.
Absolutely hilarious.
The only one that has been telling everyone else that their style of fighting is better than anyone else has been pretty much you. I don't recall every saying not to engage in buff hunting, I only disagreed with your ignorant statement, born out of years of timid flying, that the fights you prefer are rather boring and usually involve large amounts of timid flying. I also corrected you in your statement that the fights you prefer are the only fights closest to historical accuracy, which it isn't.
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I really doubt (based on what you just said) that you have ever fought me in the arena there but I dont recall your name either way so it didnt strike me as amazing if we ever did. Pretty much I think your full of yourself.
I am tired of spit-ballers thinking theirs is the only fight. From what I have heard about you... timidness is your only method and you stay on your perch all day. In this thread Im pushing for bombers to stay around and fight which a fair number have decided to take exit from and I guess since you fly bombers you like to be able to bail (undamaged) or else you wouldnt be mouthing off OR the more likely scenario is your just mouthing off because thats who you are. :D
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From what I have heard about you... timidness is your only method and you stay on your perch all day.
Easy enough to find out.
we can always set up some time and have a few rounds but I don't think you'll accept the challenge
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I'm guessing you won't take his offer though... typical.
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Easy enough to find out.I'm guessing you won't take his offer though... typical.
Since you love him so much you take him up on his 'offer.' :aok
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Actually... dweeb :neener:... its the closest thing to an historically accurate fight you can find in the arena except that for the most part you are killing airplanes that should be on your side. On the downside most of the people that try to intercept dont know how to handle planes at altitude and the so-called 'experts' are too busy spit-balling (not that they would do any better).
I would claim (and do) that unless you are purist enough to enjoy this you are in fact either a NOOB or a DWEEB. Point made.
LOL No one can understand what you are saying.. Couldnt understand you in AW and you are even more confused in this game.......
Poor misunderstood V***....... You going to send me another pm insult?
Hows the jet?
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I really doubt (based on what you just said) that you have ever fought me in the arena there but I dont recall your name either way so it didnt strike me as amazing if we ever did. Pretty much I think your full of yourself.
I am tired of spit-ballers thinking theirs is the only fight. From what I have heard about you... timidness is your only method and you stay on your perch all day. In this thread Im pushing for bombers to stay around and fight which a fair number have decided to take exit from and I guess since you fly bombers you like to be able to bail (undamaged) or else you wouldnt be mouthing off OR the more likely scenario is your just mouthing off because thats who you are. :D
Pot meet Kettle.
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Its unfortunate that these always devolve into the classic "us versus them". [Insert Rodney King clip here]...
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Pot meet Kettle.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl well put
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Yes whenever someone disagrees with the choir lets lable him 'Voss' or whoever the latest poster child is and run them off.
Sorry boys it wont work and Silat I dont PM unless PMed. I didnt start the insults either so I guess its Fugitive here that is 'Voss.'
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Yes whenever someone disagrees with the choir lets lable him 'Voss' or whoever the latest poster child is and run them off.
Sorry boys it wont work and Silat I dont PM unless PMed. I didnt start the insults either so I guess its Fugitive here that is 'Voss.'
Liar you pm'd me in a thread I started about TD computers.
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+ OVER 9000!!!!! lol while doing fighter sweeps in P-51's with a few friends a flight of B-17's (we where completely ignoring) bailed I believe 3.0k out but no one got kills it was funny but he didn't even drop ord he got scared and pussed out.
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Since you love him so much you take him up on his 'offer.' :aok
Wow great sidestep. :rolleyes:
I do not think Ack Ack is a timid pilot. You do. . I can not understand why you will not take him up on his offer. Unless your fragile ego can't handle the thought of losing.
Ohh well just confirms the opinions I guess. :aok
Ohh and this has zero to do with fighting styles or preferences. It just takes a different set of skill sets to do either successfully.
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Liar you pm'd me in a thread I started about TD computers.
Sorry I dont remember that but you can be sure you wont get anymore. :aok
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Ohh and this has zero to do with fighting styles or preferences. It just takes a different set of skill sets to do either successfully.
Amazing how you just answered your own question. :D
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Amazing how you just answered your own question. :D
Right, you can't beat Ack Ack so you wont duel because it's not your fighting style.
Thanks suspicion confirmed.
I suppose you rather duel 999000 in the DA at 30k... it's more your style. :aok
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I suppose you rather duel 999000 in the DA at 30k
i guess fuel won't be an issue :D
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i guess fuel won't be an issue :D
:lol
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I dont have a need to prove anything in dueling and it wouldnt prove anything anyway.
Nice how you whiners jumped in here to hijack the thread when it wasnt going your way. You boys should start flying together and quickly.
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I dont have a need to prove anything in dueling and it wouldnt prove anything anyway.
Nice how you whiners jumped in here to hijack the thread when it wasnt going your way. You boys should start flying together and quickly.
what does this line mean? We were discussing your "wish".
You don't really thing HTC would consider recoding the game so you can get your proxies from a bit farther out do you?
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I dont have a need to prove anything in dueling and it wouldnt prove anything anyway.
Your refusal is all the proof we need on who is most likely the more timid flier.
Thanks for playing. :aok
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Well Fug and Bronk and the rest of you noobs should know by now that even though you try to monopolize the direction of the game you have little or no effect since you primarily like things the way they are without change. HTC at least has class (which obviously none of the bailers do) and I have to put the four of you in the same class since you condone this action.
The original wish was for the proxy range on bombers to go to 6k. The reason is because there has been a large number of bombers (since the latest changes) bail when approached. At 6k they cant tell if a dot is friendly or not and quite possibly in the time it takes him to see a dot and check his clipboard the dot would be an icon. The wish was not for more proxy kills but TO STOP BOMBERS FROM BAILING.
Somehow the four of you took that and thought 'oh gee Chalenge just wants more proxies' but NO the idea is to stop the bailers. WHY should anyone even think about launching a fighter or bomber or GV in this game and think for one instant that they could play in the main arena and not ever get shot at? Why would you condone that? If thats what they want they can have the TA or offline.
Why you would condone that? I think I need to expand my definition of the word moron because your minds go in directions only a mother could love.
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Well Fug and Bronk and the rest of you noobs should know by now that even though you try to monopolize the direction of the game you have little or no effect since you primarily like things the way they are without change. HTC at least has class (which obviously none of the bailers do) and I have to put the four of you in the same class since you condone this action.
The original wish was for the proxy range on bombers to go to 6k. The reason is because there has been a large number of bombers (since the latest changes) bail when approached. At 6k they cant tell if a dot is friendly or not and quite possibly in the time it takes him to see a dot and check his clipboard the dot would be an icon. The wish was not for more proxy kills but TO STOP BOMBERS FROM BAILING.
Somehow the four of you took that and thought 'oh gee Chalenge just wants more proxies' but NO the idea is to stop the bailers. WHY should anyone even think about launching a fighter or bomber or GV in this game and think for one instant that they could play in the main arena and not ever get shot at? Why would you condone that? If thats what they want they can have the TA or offline.
Why you would condone that? I think I need to expand my definition of the word moron because your minds go in directions only a mother could love.
Poor attempt at trying to twist things but Fugative, myself and others weren't commenting on your wish we were just refuting your lame assertion that the only good fight in the game can be found at 30,000ft. I'm sure it can, if you're timid and all you can do is cherry pick and run at the first sign of trouble.
If you're going to expand the definition of moron, make sure that you expand it enough to include yourself in the definition because the only moron, noob and/or dweeb in this thread is the timid guy that flies at 30,000ft trying to *cough* save fuel.
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I don't care one way or the other on the proxy settings. Find a place where i did.
I just find it amusing you call Ack Ack timid and yet will not duel him.
Merriam-Webster
timid
1 : lacking in courage or self-confidence <a timid person>
2 : lacking in boldness or determination <a timid policy>
Challenge, you lack the self confidence and determination to duel Ack Ack.
There is no real loss at losing to him , so the only reason one can deduce would be you lack the self confidence to keep your pride intact.... Timidity.
Ack Ack on the other hand appears to be quite assured of the outcome. Weather he is actually the better cartoon pilot or not, he believes he is. That is self confidence and would indeed demonstrate a lack of timidity.
Again... thanks for playing. :neener:
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just another "play my way" post..........
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Well, admittedly I haven't read all these posts and I don't know where this turned against Challenge but I do think it's dweeby that buff guys can bomb and bail without consequence other than a small loss of points especially after someone spent all that time climbing to get to them.
I've climbed to 20-30K to have buff guys bail before I get within the magic 2000 yard mark and this behavior will eventually keep everyone from trying to stop high buffs. Who's going to climb after them if they are just going to bail when you start getting close?
I don't know what the answer is but there has to be some solution to this. I liked the idea of increasing the buff proxie range to icon range. That seemed reasonable. At least the buffs will have to bail when they first see a dot otherwise risk that dot getting into icon range. As it is now they have 4000 yards with a positive ID on the bogie to decide if they are going to bail or not. And if they do bail when they see a dot then at least it will save the fighter some amount of time climbing to a worthless target.
OK... proceed with the previous cat fight.
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Well I have read some of the replies here, I do not believe in bailing unless you are shot down, I rather kill the attacking plane and continue on my way, as for the bailers I would suggest a point penalty to a bailer over enemy territory with no plane damage at all and the closest enemy get the points charged to the bailer and the kill for it.
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Well I have read some of the replies here, I do not believe in bailing unless you are shot down, I rather kill the attacking plane and continue on my way, as for the bailers I would suggest a point penalty to a bailer over enemy territory with no plane damage at all and the closest enemy get the points charged to the bailer and the kill for it.
Good idea.
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Not a bad idea at all.....
Perhaps even make it so if you bail from an undamaged plane, you forfeit your perks and score for the sortie. THat kind of rule would work both ways..... If you need to bail out to go someplace more pressing, you can do so because you havent reached your target anyway.
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So....basically....you want to be rewarded with kills and points for a pilot bailing out of a bomber(s), even though you risked nothing to get them. At the same time you want said buff pilot to lose perks and points for bailing out.
Yeah.....once again I'm glad Hitech has more sense than grammer skills.
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So....basically....you want to be rewarded with kills and points for a pilot bailing out of a bomber(s)
no points for proxies
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Well I have read some of the replies here, I do not believe in bailing unless you are shot down, I rather kill the attacking plane and continue on my way, as for the bailers I would suggest a point penalty to a bailer over enemy territory with no plane damage at all and the closest enemy get the points charged to the bailer and the kill for it.
Thats what I was referring to, I know that right now you get no perks for proxies and it should remain that way.
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Thats what I was referring to, I know that right now you get no perks for proxies and it should remain that way.
I think you will find for most if us who have been playing for a while & have 10's of thousands of points this would be a non issue. :aok
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Either that or put a time limit between bailouts.
If your in a formation, you bail from the first one, a 30 second limit before you can bail from the second, and another 30 seconds before you can bail from the third one.
Of course if you do that they'll all just learn to alt F4, hard reboot, etc.
What if you get your wing blown off, have to bail, and then your verticle stabilizer get shot off in the second one after 5 secs? Are we going to make them stay in the plane till the 30 secs are up?
+100 but only if the bomber can continue flying when they bail from the first one (no wing missing, 2 engines are undamaged, and stabalizers, and tail and whatever else is still attached).
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Trust me lyric1, I've been here since Dec 1999 and I have more perks than I know what to do with. My problem is people wanting to to put unfair limits on certain planes just because they want a few "Free" kills for the attaboy reaction. I agree that pilots bailing to avoid a fight is lame, however, I sometimes bail out when no one is around so I can move to an area where I know I'll get engaged. Yes I know that sounds odd but I'm the type of buff pilot that likes to test his gunnery skills vs good attackers, so when none are around I want to move on.
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Well Fug and Bronk and the rest of you noobs should know by now that even though you try to monopolize the direction of the game you have little or no effect since you primarily like things the way they are without change. HTC at least has class (which obviously none of the bailers do) and I have to put the four of you in the same class since you condone this action.
The original wish was for the proxy range on bombers to go to 6k. The reason is because there has been a large number of bombers (since the latest changes) bail when approached. At 6k they cant tell if a dot is friendly or not and quite possibly in the time it takes him to see a dot and check his clipboard the dot would be an icon. The wish was not for more proxy kills but TO STOP BOMBERS FROM BAILING.
Somehow the four of you took that and thought 'oh gee Chalenge just wants more proxies' but NO the idea is to stop the bailers. WHY should anyone even think about launching a fighter or bomber or GV in this game and think for one instant that they could play in the main arena and not ever get shot at? Why would you condone that? If thats what they want they can have the TA or offline.
Why you would condone that? I think I need to expand my definition of the word moron because your minds go in directions only a mother could love.
Again Chalenge proves he doesn't read posts, just writes them. No where have I ever said I condone bailing from a perfectly good plane, I believe if you check back you'll find that I said I believed it was as lame as HOin.... but you'll have to read it.
And changing the range for the proxie isn't going to change anything.... except maybe to get you a few more kills. Lots of players love to bomb stuff and then go get another plane load. HTC changed the settings so if you bail before your bombs hit they don't count. I think thats about as far as they will go with it.
Your trying to get changes to stop people from playing the way they want to. After all it's their $15 and if they want to bail after a drop then I guess they can. I don't like it anymore than you, but I rarely see it as I guess the guys flying down in the weeds like to fight it out more.
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An interesting tangent you've put me on Fugi.... In a purely fantasy world, if something could be done about ho'ing in game.... Code to stop ho's from happening so to speak.... Would you be interested in that?
I believe if you check back you'll find that I said I believed it was as lame as HOin.... but you'll have to read it.
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My problem is people wanting to to put unfair limits on certain planes just because they want a few "Free" kills for the attaboy reaction.
That is exactly when I was opposed to the idea.
I've escorted Beefcake in numerous scenarios, he never ceases to be an upright gentleman. :aok
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i've only ever had one buff driver bail when i got near him. it was in the beginning of dec., and he was in b24's. i had shot him down several times, and he finally gave up on this base. i saw a set north, dove on em, and i htink as soon as he saw the 38 o doom comin, he bailed.
most times, buff drivers don't bail. they shoot my cartoon plane out of the cartoon sky,. :aok :neener:
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Sorry I dont remember that but you can be sure you wont get anymore. :aok
Yeah.. I know it's hard to remember all the times you put your foot in other people's business isn't it?
To many lies and to many stories about F16's and scorpion bites will get you confused V..
By the way I won.. I got my money back.......... :rofl
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I would of lit up the 38 with a well placed 100 rounds of .50's.
See if you survive when i pop those fragile radiators and break into your skull with a swift horizontal firing line. :devil
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I would of lit up the 38 with a well placed 100 rounds of .50's.
See if you survive when i pop those fragile radiators and break into your skull with a swift horizontal firing line. :devil
radiators hell!!!!
spit at a 38, and ya injure the pile-it!!
:noid :airplane:
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radiators hell!!!!
spit at a 38, and ya injure the pile-it!!
:noid :airplane:
Meet my "Bullit" P-38 pile-it. :D
(http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_Excalibur_155mm_GPS_Shell_lg.jpg)
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Meet my "Bullit" P-38 pile-it. :D
(http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_Excalibur_155mm_GPS_Shell_lg.jpg)
the front fins look sharpened.....almost like a gobbler tip..........a REALLY big one....
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the front fins look sharpened.....almost like a gobbler tip..........a REALLY big one....
Yes, quite sharp. Enough to cut through butter! :neener:
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lol wth is that thing? (i know its an explosive, but exactly what)
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Wonder how Vaporware LLC is doing these days.
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Meet my "Bullit" P-38 pile-it. :D
(http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_Excalibur_155mm_GPS_Shell_lg.jpg)
I think a drag stabilised artillery shell would fly B38s a lot better than most of the boys online. :devil
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lol wth is that thing? (i know its an explosive, but exactly what)
Its an expiramental artillery shell. It can adjust its course in flight so it won't damage civilian structures. Forget what its called though.
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M982 Excalibur.
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thanks spikes, I always forget that.
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M982 Excalibur.
That's what i fire out of my 50. cal MG. :devil
Beware P-38 pilots, for i see you!
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It has been a LONG time since I have flown THIS game (probably close to 18 months now i think) BUT, I too LOVED chasing High Alt and med alt bombers, usually in the plane I flew 90%+ of the time, the 190A8. I don't think that extending the proxy range is necessary - I know this style will seem hideously boring to some of you guys but I loved climbing up and flying a pattern where I knew buffs would eventually fly. I gave them a choice, fight and kill me (they did, often) or bail while the target was well out of reach.
You can have a great bomb run by planning it out, the same applies to buff hunting, a little thought and intuition can go a LONG way. If I come back to the game, I wouldn't want an exception made to force my prey to fight it out, if I stop that guy from bombing just by flying within icon range, I am a happy camper because I still have my alt, ammo and plane is undamaged, more important, his target is undamaged and he gets frustrated after wasting his time for zip.
I have been flying flight sims online since about '92 (Red Baron on ImagiNation Network) The biggest mistake most pilots make (Myself especially) is not planning in advance and no patience. I am a horrible fighter pilot but The newer crop of quakewarriors I run into, I can club like baby seals because they want instant results and rely on tactical moves rather than strategy.
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I am a horrible fighter pilot but The newer crop of quakewarriors I run into, I can club like baby seals because they want instant results and rely on tactical moves rather than strategy.
Old age and treachery will win every time! :devil
:salute
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It has been a LONG time since I have flown THIS game (probably close to 18 months now i think) BUT, I too LOVED chasing High Alt and med alt bombers, usually in the plane I flew 90%+ of the time, the 190A8. I don't think that extending the proxy range is necessary - I know this style will seem hideously boring to some of you guys but I loved climbing up and flying a pattern where I knew buffs would eventually fly. I gave them a choice, fight and kill me (they did, often) or bail while the target was well out of reach.
You can have a great bomb run by planning it out, the same applies to buff hunting, a little thought and intuition can go a LONG way. If I come back to the game, I wouldn't want an exception made to force my prey to fight it out, if I stop that guy from bombing just by flying within icon range, I am a happy camper because I still have my alt, ammo and plane is undamaged, more important, his target is undamaged and he gets frustrated after wasting his time for zip.
I have been flying flight sims online since about '92 (Red Baron on ImagiNation Network) The biggest mistake most pilots make (Myself especially) is not planning in advance and no patience. I am a horrible fighter pilot but The newer crop of quakewarriors I run into, I can club like baby seals because they want instant results and rely on tactical moves rather than strategy.
Highlighted for the denser members of the board :D.
But would you goi into a bit more detail, and give examples? I'm a little frustrated at flying at 20K, and missing all the bomber till I land when they mysticly appear over the base and procede to down the FH and fuel.
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Sure, if it is a strat such as HQ, I up at one of the bases near there (IF several raids have been made on it that night, or the same tard knocks it down a time or 2) I just try to position myself a couple of sectors in FRONT of his intended target. A lot of wash, rinse, repeat bombers have little imagination and typically fly the same plane, pattern, alt over and over and over. So guessing where they will come from isn't rocket science. (YES, I am guilty of this when I bomb too LOL)
When bases are being bombed all to hell from alt, watch the map. That map is mighty damn handy for knowing a lot of stuff. If bomber raids have been coming from a certain direction, look at the activity in that direction at more distant bases (if they are coming in at 15-20k or more) Chances are, you'll get an idea where they are lifting. I know that when I bomb, I try to find the highest alt base that is reasonably close enough to allow me to get to the alt I want and then allow my plane to reach top speed in time to calibrate the bomb site (oops forgot, you don't have to do that anymore). When you get an idea of where they are upping from, you can ambush them while they are grabbing alt... OFTEN bombers will go AFK until they feel like they have had enough climb time. When they are climbing, they are heavy and slow as crap... You can tear them up.... OR you can just fly cap a sector out from the area that is being hammered (TA152's will fly for ages at alt) You don't have to pee in the serial bomber's cheerios too many times before they move on to other targets.
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and then allow my plane to reach top speed in time to calibrate the bomb site (oops forgot, you don't have to do that anymore).
Minor correction: You still have to.
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Minor correction: You still have to.
Really? They brought that back? I thought now all you had to do was hold the 'y' key
I was talking about the calibration like under kweassa's old tutorial, here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,57667.0.html
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Geeeze...If you leave with a goodbye-fart, then we missed the hello-burp.
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He is talking about that as well. And just one minor point.... You should never be at full power as a calibration speed. Making course corrections and then having to resync your speed is much easier when on the downside of the throttle.
Really? They brought that back? I thought now all you had to do was hold the 'y' key
I was talking about the calibration like under kweassa's old tutorial, here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,57667.0.html
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Increasing proxy distance or stopping bailing from undamaged planes won't fix the problem.
But I know what will.
A perk economy!
Think about it. All MW and LW planes have a cost. You have to fly and fight to earn your perkies. All aircraft are perked based upon ENY and Ord package (of course this affects bombers more cause of the ORD part, so they get higher perk bonuses per damage done). If the plane actually MEANS something, a person would be forced to try to take care of it a little better, wouldn't they? :airplane:
This is only partially serious. Too many people would be mad a not being able to play their plane when they wanted to and quit the game. Don't get carried away here. hehe