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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eskimo2 on September 13, 2002, 04:25:16 PM
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A companion to Mathman's "Best "pilots" in the game?" thread.
Nominate away! (Runs and ducks for cover!)
eskimo
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How about THE biggest ego? ... I aint gonna say it lol.
Tumor
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Frenchy:D
runs for cover!!!
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Well Ammo that hold true right up until the point where Sancho has a bit to much liquid courage, then all bet's are off :D
Avid
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Shane
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SKUZZY
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Originally posted by Slash27
Shane
Nailed it right on the head!
As I say online, and will repeat here: If, his mouth were as big as his ego, he could swallow a couch.
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So thats what happen to all my furniture...............
Spit it out Shane.......
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INCOMEING
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Naaaa one night I spanked Shane and his wingie repeatedly and he was pretty cool about it. If he was a real ego freak he would have done some squawking.
I don't fly enough now to know who the current king is. I know who it used to be. [hint]leather g-string[/hint]
PS I might be the current king on the BBS. But I can't play the game due to HTC net porkage so I can't really compete in the in-game egotism category.
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Ok Funked, so it was a LW, WHO? :)
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Originally posted by Voss
Nailed it right on the head!
As I say online, and will repeat here: If, his mouth were as big as his ego, he could swallow a couch.
lol - how'd you like that 2 tiffs vs my la7 on the deck? ownage!!!
you're not so hot when you don't have at least 2 others to hide behind.
lol. sweet film.
i can take losing to people who at least *try* :)
it's the ones who have to make it into an unnecssary gangbang - and that's about all i ever remark on, along with the ones who simply run (to buddies/acks/fleets) after blowing an advantage... except the occasional connection and/or flopstar... and i'll remark on those whether i win *or* lose.
never whine in furballs, either as i know it's gonna be messy, and actually i'm trying to get past the lamer ganger stage, because i know it'll never change but i do so love getting voss and whels torqued.
:D
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Turns around, quietly walks to corner of room, leans against wall, lights up ciggarette. Its not that my ego is big, its that, well, I have a bucket full of AH souls and Im not giving it back.
:D
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Well, when you mature and learn that an La7 on the deck, and killing two heavy typhoons is no big deal, and then finally learn to shutup bragging... well, then you might be a decent fellow.
Till then your ego overwhelms you.
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Voss, in self defense, anyone who plays a game or conducts him/herself in competetive activities is not inherently decent within that process. Its the nature of the sport.
At least Im being honest about it.
The only exception is the Special Olympics.
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Originally posted by Voss
As I say online, and will repeat here: If, his mouth were as big as his ego, he could swallow a couch.
Speakin of swallowing ..
..how's that brain tumor, Voss?
..or was it a scorpion bite?
.. did you end up havin to sell you P-51?
..you still fly F-16's for the CIA?
ROFLMAO.
-GE (online memory is long)
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Still haven't mastered the art of reading for comprehension have you GE? I know you don't fly here (skilless anyway), so go back to knitting tard.
Senna, it USED to be that civility ruled in AH. It is beginning to look like the love muffines are coming out of the woodwork here, and it's a trend I don't care for. These idiots ruined every game that preceeded AH, and I guess it's inevitable that they end up here. It speaks ill of the entire genre. GE is a prime example, Shane less so, but he wears away at it on a daily basis just a touch at a time.
It's too bad, too, because AH was a really fun place to be for a very long time.
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Originally posted by Voss
As I say online, and will repeat here: If, his mouth were as big as his ego, he could swallow a couch.
we love u Shane;):D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
..how's that brain tumor, Voss?
ROFLMAO.
-GE (online memory is long)
Hey now :mad:
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Actually Voss.. I've read quite a bit of what you have posted.
Purty amazin stuff.
Fantasy doesn't *begin* to describe it.
I noticed you didn't answer a single question..
(no surprise there)
..fact is if you told me the sky was blue it would not mean a thing to me.. I would have to look and see because your 'credibility' on any subject is *that* bad.
Good luck tryin to get others to swallow.
ROFL.
-GE ( I love the smell of Voss .. fryin.. on his own words ..it smells like .. victory )
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Heya GrayEagle. Fact is, none of what you post bothers me in the least. You are simply roasting in your own fat. You see, you are living in the past. A past where you may have been considered something more then you truly were, but a time where you were more accepted then you are now. Perhaps not, yet you are unimportant. Your words carry no meaning. You come here to stir up trouble.
I say if you can't fly with us, keep moving.
Yes, you're still a love muffin.
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Pulls up a lawn chair and cracks a cold one.
It's the rotating thread thing that entertains me.
Where WILL they pop up next ??
I THINK it's a tour :D
Following threads to be announced.
Tickets still available..
Actually I have the biggest ego in the game.
Only my dog knows it...
He can't get away when things go poorly..
The yard is fenced..
The poor bastage..
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LOL Voss ..
.. and yet..
..it was *you* that called *me* to work on your 'killer flight sim'
..what happened to that?
(I would bet it's parked in the same garage as your P-51, brain tumor, CIA F-16 career, and scorpion-heart-attack-bite )
If any of you here beleive anything this guy has said ... I got a bridge for sale that I *know* you'll snap up.
-GE
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
LOL Voss ..
..it was *you* that called *me* to work on your 'killer flight sim'
That would never happen in a million years. Again, you're living in the past. Life has gone on without you. Technology has progressed to the point that you have nothing to contribute.
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You guys that got a serious hardon with Voss should either take him to court ot STFU already. Either you have a case agaisnt him ot your f*cking giving yourself blowjobs. Either way get on the donkey or shut the f*ck up fer chrysakes.
Im just tired of the guys that keep an ID on this BBS to hassle the guy over BS years gone by. squealing puke boyz!
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Five dishonest men.
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Born to kill helmet.
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Five wierd Asian guys, guys?
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Kermit da frog.
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All examples of big egos so you see, having a big ego is natural.
;)
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Anyways, back to enjoying my Friday. Hope your weekend is good as well.
:D
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Originally posted by senna
Five wierd Asian guys, guys?
So which one of those six isn't Asian?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ah, yes! Time for a brewski.
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The one in the middle of course. Hes actually a light skinned black man.
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I nominate
Whels = your always lucky when you kill em.
Hammy = big mouth no skill
Voss = never seems to mind his own business, always jumpin in others conversations UN-invited.
:p
SlowHand
4WING =441 Silver Fox=
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I panicked when I saw this thread, but I look through it and don't see my name.
Phew! Another lucky escape! :p
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INCOMEING
I'm just a dutch dweeb but isn't it spelled ÏNCOMING
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DING !! DING !!!
We have a winner :D
Bug you are indeed correct..
in·com·ing Pronunciation Key (nkmng)
adj.
Coming in or about to come in: incoming trains; incoming mail; incoming mortar fire.
About to assume an office or position: the incoming governor.
n.
The act of coming in; arrival.
Income; revenue. Often used in the plural.
Translation from Dutch I believe is inkomen, ontvangst and opbrengst
I'll stay on top of it.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I'm
just a dutch dweeb but isn't it spelled ÏNCOMING
Not in south florida. Check our voteing record.
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Im not in the practice of naming names...
But if its a special Rook in an La7... youre gonna get a whine. :D
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Yeager couldn't help but spew this all over his shirt in his attempt at joining the conversation with something useful :
'..STFU..'
Thanks for your advice ..I'll pass though, dweeb.
As for having a hard-on for 'Voss' aka Paul Hinds ..I know him for what he is, he has proven over and over by his actions and words that 'crediblity' is *not* his event.
For me .. 'Voss' is a valid target of opportunity.
Now and then the dweebs need to be reminded of what Paul is.
You, Yeager, are out to prove what ..exactly?
By your statements you seem to like a Pollyanna view of the world ..if you are ignorant about something it doesn't exist and shouldn't be posted anywhere you might accidentally see it?
LOL.
Good luck with that.
-GE
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Grayeagle, don't you have your own life to lead or something?
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And GrayEagle will always be a squeaky flamer. He has proven time and again that he lacks talent, class, or any idea that no one cares about his idiotic self.
Piss off GE. STFU and climb back under whatever rock you climbed out from under. You are a has been, living in the past, and no one cares.
He has no life Thrawn. He's also lying out his ass. He's never met me, we've never talked, and he knows nothing about me, save second hand hearsay. He has not worked with me, and was not involved in the great TAS debacle. So, it must be his time of the month, and he has no rags to sop up his wet spot.
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Originally posted by Voss
He has proven time and again that he lacks talent, class, or any idea that no one cares about his idiotic self.
Piss off GE. STFU and climb back under whatever rock you climbed out from under. YOu are a has been, living in the past, and no one cares.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/mogs.jpg)
Looks like he's got 'game' after all.
You on the other hand Voss are nothing but a scam artist and a liar. How can you sit there with a smug smile knowing that you tried to scam and cheat quite a few in the online flight sim community and then have the gall to say that GE lacks class? Too bad most of these guys in AH are relatively new to the online world of ours but those of us that have been here for quite awhile know you for the scammer/cheat/liar that you are.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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I didn't scam, nor cheat anyone AKAK. I was cheated instead. I was told I would have the backing to produce something, and nothing ever came of it.
So, I welcome you to STFU yourself. You, too, were not involved with the proceedings, and have no firsthand knowledge if what transpired. If, you think you have a case, call the diddlying FBI. I talk with them about once every two months. I'm sure they'd be happy to jump right up and pursue this case, since it's so open and shut.
love muffin is what you are; both of you.
BTW, that art never appeared in a game, except perhaps as a screenshot or still. 'HE' has a game? He hasn't the talent to write one line of code, and you haven't got the brains to even know what it takes to produce one.
In fact, I don't think I'll wait for you. I'll take legal action now and bring suit against you, subpeona HTC for their records, and see you in court. I'm tired of this BS popping up and you might as well be the first to know how I feel about it.
Have a nice day.
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Oh for chrsit sake I leave this freaking moronathon.
You either had a chance to collect damages and failed miserably or never had a case to begin with in which case your a jack-off artist. Either way off with you now.
and oh yeah STFU.
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Holy meltdown Voss...
Anyway, I just want to say 'hello' to the FBI before this is locked.
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Just another annual convention, Creamo. Keep moving.
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I would like to take this oppurtunity to ask the FBI how the war on terror is coming. Please reply in this thread.
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Originally posted by Voss
you haven't got the brains to even know what it takes to produce one.
Considering I probably know more what goes into producing and actually making a game than you'll ever know, I find your comment laughable.
In fact, I don't think I'll wait for you. I'll take legal action now and bring suit against you, subpeona HTC for their records, and see you in court. I'm tired of this BS popping up and you might as well be the first to know how I feel about it.
Have a nice day.
Now this is sheer comedy :D
Ack-Ack
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That's funny hblair. I only brought up the FBI, because these guys are commenting about criminal activities. Our company transports federal prisoners almost weekly, so I see them a lot.
AKAK, what's really funny is that you take yourslef so seriously as to think you can get away with slandering someone the way you do. You were not involved, yet you pretend to know firsthand all about the events that transpired. That proves your ignorance, and will be your undoing. I WILL prosecute anyone that continues down this line. I'm sick of it, and all the amazinhunks involved in it.
I doubt you know jackshit about programming, modeling, or art of any kind, but please feel free to share with us any games you've produced and tell us precisely what it was you did in that production. Perhaps I'm out of the loop here, but I've never heard anyone talk about your great games.
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Originally posted by Voss
AKAK, what's really funny is that you take yourslef so seriously as to think you can get away with slandering someone the way you do. You were not involved, yet you pretend to know firsthand all about the events that transpired. That proves your ignorance, and will be your undoing. I WILL prosecute anyone that continues down this line. I'm sick of it, and all the amazinhunks involved in it.
A respectable lawyer (oxymoron?) would just laugh at you.
I doubt you know jackshit about programming, modeling, or art of any kind, but please feel free to share with us any games you've produced and tell us precisely what it was you did in that production. Perhaps I'm out of the loop here, but I've never heard anyone talk about your great games.
I do know a little about programming, modeling, etc...but that's not what I do. I'm a lead QA for a major corporation that makes games for the Playstation console systems. I've worked on games like Gameday 2002, Mark of Kri, SOCOM to name a few. But then, that's not quite like flying F-16's for the CIA :D
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Voss
That's funny hblair. I only brought up the FBI, because these guys are commenting about criminal activities. Our company transports federal prisoners almost weekly, so I see them a lot.
AKAK, what's really funny is that you take yourslef so seriously as to think you can get away with slandering someone the way you do. You were not involved, yet you pretend to know firsthand all about the events that transpired. That proves your ignorance, and will be your undoing. I WILL prosecute anyone that continues down this line. I'm sick of it, and all the amazinhunks involved in it.
I doubt you know jackshit about programming, modeling, or art of any kind, but please feel free to share with us any games you've produced and tell us precisely what it was you did in that production. Perhaps I'm out of the loop here, but I've never heard anyone talk about your great games.
WOW!
Voss, you really KNOW some FBI guys?
Your, like, totally "IN" with the FBI then!
Gosh, they'd probably just throw someone in jail just because you asked them to!
I'm sure that they'll somehow help you with a slander case. After all someone reamed you on the Aces High Bulletin Board. Man, that's exactly what the FBI is for! It's practically their #1 priority! The AH BB is just sooo peaceful, and there you were, just minding your own business, not sayin a word, and then KAZAM! Slander, right out of the blue! You go girl!
(No sarcasm intended, really)
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Voss, do you know the guys in the Black Helicopters too?
eskimo
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Voss Joins Yeager in his laughable advice, and they spew together:
'...STFU..'
ROFL.. you guys must be good friends.
Think alike and all that.
Spew on what others should do, and shoot yer mouths off about others that apparantly you don't know.
In 'Voss' aka Paul's case, he goes defensive whenever someone asks him about his alleged P-51
..or his alleged career in the CIA flying F-16's
.. or his alleged brain tumor
.. or his alleged heart attack caused by a scorpion.
Even Johnny Quest seems more 'real' than Paul.. LOL.
By all means Paul, label it all lies.
Of course, Google searchin shows that it was *you* that made these and many other attempts at garnering a niche of respectability (which you crave apparantly)
..then when you actually got pinned down by people who *know* and can find out by registration number who actually owns an aircraft.. well .. wasn't that about the time of the Brain Tumor? .. followed by the famous Scorpion Heart Attack Bite?
With you it's anything goes.. spew on, dood.
I will enjoy talking to any lawyer you bring aboard, Paul.
I'm sure a lawyer would get more than just amusement from you.
By the way ..you *still* haven't answered any questions I posed? .. ROFL
Ack-Ack .. I can't beleive you posted that Moggys Muff image :)
It's one of the earliest I did .. the old P-90's we had at Kesmai then coughed up lungs to render that :)
Purty sharp of Voss to catch that it wasn't a game shape ( rolls eyes ) .. although the poly count for that Spit is nearing what games these days will support for real time animation.
As for not knowing anything of 'gaming' .. or having games out there:
I have been:
Lead artist for AW .. 6 years of it.
(umm .. ya .. check any of the credits from AW II onward.)
3d Artist for Papyrus Racing Games ..1 year there.
(umm.. ya ..check credits on Nascar 2002)
3d Artist for Falcon 5 .. presently G2 interactive is havin funding problems ..I really don't know if anything I have done here will see the light of day. It's some of the best I have done yet tho.
.. and actually ..I *can* write code .. just prefer not to.
Nested FOR loops make my head hurt. Those that eat this stuff for breakfast are welcome to it (HT ..for one :)
Modeling, on the other hand .. is something I do better than anyone I have met or seen yet, with a single exception.
Paul Steed does the same things I do. -evil grin-
We had a long chat several years ago comparing notes.. the year AW3 rocked online sims, and Steed won a ton of awards for Quake that same year, at the CGDC in LA.
You see.. what I do and have done is easy to check.
What Voss says he has done or has happened has invariably proven to be just his fantasy.
For those who buy into the whole Voss story .. some village somewhere needs you desperately.
-GE ( Voss makes one of the *best* Squeak Toys, tm DD )
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Funny , you said the same thing about me:)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Voss
I doubt you know jackshit about programming, modeling, or art of any kind, but please feel free to share with us any games you've produced and tell us precisely what it was you did in that production. Perhaps I'm out of the loop here, but I've never heard anyone talk about your great games.
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Yeah, Eskimo, pretty cool ay? :rolleyes:
GE, I hope they ban you for life for this toejam. You deserve much worse. Unlike the community you come from, the AH community has attempted to keep personal attacks from occuring. Of course, love muffines like you cannot keep yourselves from posting the pure toejam that you are. Anyway, I'm real broke up about you not liking what happened six years ago (even though you still don't have your facts straight, and never will).
You are a love muffin, and that will never change.
We've got about another 32 hours before this thread is locked. HT, this is my personal request to ban GE from the board permanently. He will continue to engage in this sort of crap forever, and I won't put up with it. Further, I wasn't kidding about going after the love muffines that continue down this road.
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Your smack talk has no value to me fella. In fact its weakest smack dribble Ive ever seen.
I could care less about voss or tas and I care even less about you. Your not even an entity in the game. No way to own your sorry ass. Im tired of people who dont even play the game popping in here and stinking the place up with the same old excreted puke.
Like I said before, if you had some sort of case to support your defaming accusations then you should have pursued it in court. Absent that you either are an idiot who failed to take lawful action or your just an idiot who cant mind his own business.
Now stop dropping your bowel labored feces all over the place and remember: dont go away mad, just go away.
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LOL, Voss hoping someone gets banned for life for telling the truth... :rolleyes:
It makes a sick sort of sense coming from Voss, but I don't understand why Yeager is so insistant defending a known liar who's best defense is "that was the past and you're an amazinhunk", against an honest contributor pointing out that Voss's claim to be the voice of THE COMMUNITY is insane. I suppose there's some reason in there somewhere, but it escapes me.
And yes, people ARE making fun of Voss both in front of him and behind his back. I suppose calling all of them amazinhunks is sufficient explanation as to why they won't forgive the things he claimed, but it's interesting to see the number of honest, hard working and self-sacrificing people who make up that group.
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Personal attacks are why Eagl. I guess that's okay in your book.
Honesty perhaps, but truth cannot come from someone that does not know the facts. None of you had inside information as to the goings on within the company producing TAS, and therefore none of you are in a postion to say anything.
The fact remains, this subject has come up twice in the past (at least), and both times the subject thread was locked; for a good reason I might add. Still, it takes a real love muffin to continue to bring the subject up and engage in personal attacks. I don't appreciate it, I've taken enough of it, and I'm going to start fighting back now.
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I was wondering if the coil spring inside Voss would either; cease-up from over-winding, or just explode, when the key sticking out of his back was wound too far or fast. From the looks of it, however, I think that he'll just clang his little cymbals and shriek as quickly as he is wound!
eskimo
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eagl,
I dont care about voss or his history and I am fully aware of that history because it forever continues to show up here. This aint the place for it.
Im tired of retreading this retreaded retread again. Make a post here on this subject see what happens. Its bad enough that this guy shows up and ruins a valid thread again. This is not a public forum and personal attacks and accusations are not part of the acceptable behavior required to participate. It pisses me off that it has continued. You guys need to go start a "lets hate voss" web page or your own "lets hate voss" BBS. Get it out of here.
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lol, this thread had validity? only in that it was trying to set up people for getting hammered... so i guess the tack it took is just as valid.
we *are* talking *ego* aren't we?
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Voss uncontrollably spewed:
>GE, I hope they ban you for life for this toejam.
What toejam would that be, Voss?
Asking you how your alleged P-51 is doing these days? ..or your alleged brain tumor?
Perhaps pointing out that your credibility has not changed?
>Unlike the community you come from, the AH community has attempted to keep personal attacks from occuring.
ROFLMAO!! I guess you don't read these boards much?
> you still don't have your facts straight, and never will
Type what you will .. google searches show exactly what you said, and when. Online memory is long.
>HT, this is my personal request to ban GE from the board permanently.
Good luck with that.
-GE
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Yeager once more proves himself by adding these bits of wisdom:
>I could care less about voss or tas and I care even less about you.
Try and imagine, Yaghead, that you may mean even less to others.
> No way to own your sorry ass.
You got that right.
Just plain luck I'd say, judging by the rest of what you have written.
>.. your just an idiot who cant mind his own business.
Actually .. whenever Voss shows up he gives *excellent* Squeak
(tm DD) ..all I have to do is ask him how his 'P-51' is doin.
You on the other hand just Squeak on Demand.
Nice Squeak .. toy (tm DD)
>..just go away.
Again.. I pass on your advice.. dweeb.
-GE
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After reading this thread I keep thinking about another former AH player that had a 3/4 scale P51 , but can't for the life of me think of his name ?????
Someone help me out please ? I know he had a pickup too right ?? WTF was his name ???? !!!!!
Oh ya , hello FBI people :) , have a nice day .
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Originally posted by airspro
After reading this thread I keep thinking about another former AH player that had a 3/4 scale P51 , but can't for the life of me think of his name ?????
Someone help me out please ? I know he had a pickup too right ?? WTF was his name ???? !!!!!
Oh ya , hello FBI people :) , have a nice day .
The Wobble
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Thats the best you can do? Lol.... what a waste of time.
Keep trying though, your becoming quickly irrelevant.
In any event, if you have the emotional strength, try playing the damned game. At least that way your dribble would have some chance of finding a spine to hold it up. Until then your thoughts are just gas passing out your overused toy hole. Got a thing for toys eh....hehe
Go away already.......
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you guys are kinda rough on ol voss... not like he ever claimed to own a p51 or to have flown a real 109 or shot down jets in the gulf or anything.
I never used to like shane till I seen how much he tweaked ol voss. Like eskimo... I have been waiting for the ego to explode... we have been getting little rumbles... An eruption is iminnent.
Heck... I used to dislike the `13tas.... simply by association. I mean... "what kinda dipshi...." Glad I met some of em in person. They are not like I imagined people who followed voss would be like. Older, mild tempered guys with good senses of humor who don't take things to seriously or have blown out egos. The ones I met seem very honest too.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Glad I met some of em in person. They are not like I imagined people who followed voss would be like. Older, mild tempered guys with good senses of humor who don't take things to seriously or have blown out egos. The ones I met seem very honest too.
lazs
"Older, mild tempered, good senses of humour..." that sounds a little like you, especially that "old" part:)
Ok back to the slander fest, excuse my intrusion.
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STFU!
(Not directed at anyone in particular, just didn't want to miss out on any trend)
I would like to point out that this is the "Aces High General Discussion" board. I'm guessing this board is for the general discussion of Aces High.
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VOSS gets my vote for the ego thing , amazinhunk thing too :) although some others came real close
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Was that "Ego" or "Spedo"......................? :rolleyes:
Yous are all gurlymen anyhow..........:D
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A small fact finding tour resulted in this:
Statements with > were made by 'Voss'
Statements in rebuttal were made by an F-16 pilot, who actually researched a few of the claims that 'Voss' made.
> If you are looking for confirmation, or denial, go to hell, stop >reading now, and accept your current opinion as *truth*. I don't >lie.
Ummmm....you won't be offended if I choose not to accept that last statement will you?
> To begin with, this all began after a review I did with Michael >and *name withheld* for our "soon to be released" game. >Michael slipped and said something "off the record" which I then >corrected and asked *name withheld* to ignore. He agreed.
> Three months passed before Robey Price began looking into >things which are none of his business. Got that Robey? It's >NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Ummm...actually I began questioning things (Back in Dec 1996) when you told me that you ALSO flew F-16s. I was psyched that a another Viper guy was making a cool air combat sim. When I told some Viper Buds about a "brother" with THREE PhDs, they thought you had to go to the Zoo (USAFA) for your Astro background. But no current/former F-16 guy I checked with
ever heard of you and the Academy Grads could find NO RECORD of Paul D. Hinds at the Academy.....EVER...But with all the email you were getting I believed that you were too busy to enlighten me.
I thought you were the real-deal...I don't anymore...plain and simple. Here is the email from Scott Butcher USAFA Class of 1981 (this was just last month after you said you attended from '77-79):
] Robey,
] Alright, I dragged the yearbooks down from the attic (their normal place of honor) and dusted them off. There was no Paul Hinds at the academy in the 77-78 yearbook or the 78-79 yearbook. I sure don't remember running into him.
] Please tell me that this guy doesn't fly for Northwest. It sounds
like the biggest crock of toejam I've ever heard, flying '16s and getting 3 PhDs, yeah right. Every '16 driver I've ever run into compares notes on dates and squadrons to find common friends. Let me know 'the rest of the story'.
So that was from a fellow F-16 pilot that was your classmate at the Academy.
> You, and you alone, are responsible for the escalation of this crap.
[blushing] Ummm thanks, (looking over at Pips, SAM Magnet, Schlong AKA Eagl) but it was pretty easy when one considers the magnitude (my PhD word for the day) of your credentials or "bona fides" as it were.
> It must be pretty boring hauling cattle for a living.
(ouch...that rapier wit) Yep...and I LOVE IT...that's about all this 40 year old body and balding pate can handle, and boy and some of those cattle are built like "brick outhouses." It was a brutally boring 4 day trip that turned into a 3 day trip. Sacramento was ONLY 82 degrees when we got there, and I was so bored in Orlando today sitting out by the pool. Oh my, all that cattle out there...yep pretty boring...throw me in that briar patch B'rer Fox.
Everybody welcome "Schlong" (WB eagl) back to the world. So Schlong how was that "first class meal" during your ride back from the sand box?
Don't you think AAR procedures really belong in section three (EPs) of the Dash One? (Old Phantom joke)... I always let the Captain pick which entree he wants first.
> BTW, your note was dated May 10, 1997. Not March 10, which some idiots are trying to convince us all of.
Okay, that indeed is the date of my BIG question to you about the USAFA story. But timeline is not really the point...
> I am not so easily fooled, so get used to it.
Perhaps you think potential customers and investors are....
> Then I get all these psychopathic ravings in my email. "Oneman
> and Voss are the same guy", and "I called the University." >You're a real loser Robey! I mean that!
Ummm, Oops NEVER said I called...said I checked with the University.
Voss when you say, "I mean that!" Should we interpret that the same way that you shot down two Iraqis and now fear for your life due to Iraqi retaliation? Geez didn't they release ALL the POWs unharmed?
But this is the email I got from Marcia Overby at the University of Arkansas (Chancellor's Office)
] Dear Robey, I am sorry that I didn't reply sooner, but I was out of town on Friday. It appears that Dr. Hinds is no longer employed by the University of Arkansas, and I was not able to find a forwarding address.
Sorry that I wasn't more help to you. --Marcia
> Even the liberal press of today has more couth then to print such rubbish before they CAREFULLY review the facts.
I'm lost here Voss...now I'm forced to reveal that my degree is merely political science and that I am a liberal (Pips, SAM Magnet, Schlong, Toad don't hate me.), I've NEVER flown in combat, I hated working with nukes, and Hornet drivers kicked my bellybutton in every 1-v-1 encounter I ever had with them (MCAS Beaufort and NAS Cecil Field).
I had "pipper burns" from those guys. (Stop gloating Pips!)
> Now, if you don't mind, I am going to have to work VERY hard to come up with the cash to finance the completion of this game.
Simple solution...sell your Mustang, which has N number...(fill in the LARGE BLANK). Or sell that last remaining AUTHENTIC Fokker Dr-1 you have in your barn/hanger (you said you had it back in Feb on the TAS BBS).
I would imagine that Dr-1 would fetch a tidy sum of coin of the realm. Especially when aviation historians think the last authentic Fokker Dr-1 was destroyed in Berlin back in 1945. Those dummies.
> I know you have delighted in creating havoc and mayhem on the Internet.
"Mass hysteria...Dogs and Cats living together..."
> You went so far as to warn Michael and Bill not to give me any money.
Absolutely correct. I suggest that everyone research any potential
investment. Only invest in things you understand and avoid giving money to folks when their story doesn't check out. Don't take candy from strangers.
Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on ME.
> You probably don't know that I gave Michael 50% of Pro-Line just for discussing ideas and helping to create a playable game.
And exactly what is the ROI (return on investment) for 50% of zero?
Perhaps it's the same as the "derivative of a constant" (christ this IS THE ONLY thing I learned in calculus in 1974). The derivative of a constant is zero...right Voss?
NOTE TO: Nosferatu, Hawkeye, Brad Hitz et al...I realize you folks could give a rat's rear about anybody claiming to be something they're not.
While I don't share that view, I respect that opinion. It is not my
intention that the "Saga of Paul Hinds" become the longest running soap opera on this NG.
Hawkeye, you are correct that this is POORLY timed considering Paul's health, so your suggestion to let it go for now...that's fair. I did post my claims BEFORE the reports of Paul on his deathbed.
I brought this to the NG because some folks (us military amazinhunks) do care about it, and I wanted to force Paul to address the specific claims. Apparently Mike Hobuss (Paul's business partner) found my information MORE CREDIBLE than anything Paul had to offer.
The members of the River Rats, http://www2.eos.net/RRVA/index.html
consider Paul Hinds a "wannabe." Just check with Al Bache, current Executive Director (he can verify my credentials).
CASE CLOSED!
Robey "Cattle Drover" Price
-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson.
(just another military amazinhunk)
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Just for clarification purposes here. The 13TAS being bandied about here on the thread is not the AH (or AW) squad. It was a title used to describe an airplane game venture.
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last time I've seen 2 seniles guys fight it was in the Muppet Show :)
Continue guys I've fun here ...
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I would just like to point out that I am not gay. I have never had Price, or GrayEagle as a lover, nor would they qualify even if they were the right gender.
My crack is clearly marked exit only.
Now we return you to an old man crying about something he can't change, whining about something he didn't have anything to do with, moaning about money no one lost, and squeaking like a tyranical wife.
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This lawsuit thread is really entertaining! Congrats!
One regret: I almost expected that Ally McBeal would show up...
Yeah, I have nothing interesting to say but I wanted for once to appear in a locked thread ;)
Please go on...
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Originally posted by deSelys
Yeah, I have nothing interesting to say but I wanted for once to appear in a locked thread ;)
Please go on...
the real measure is to *start* a thread that gets locked.
:p
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Originally posted by Shane
the real measure is to *start* a thread that gets locked.
:p
Pfff....easy. Just post a couple of pics with (.Y.) and the thread will be locked in no time. Plus you'll get banned as a bonus :D
;) Yankee
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Jesus Christ... what happened to this thread?
As far as Im concerned, the 3 or 4 parties involved in this manly BBS fight are all diddlying children and they should all be banned from the forum and the game.
The quality of this community is so far into the toejamter... I think the 13 year olds that play Counter Strike possess more maturity than some of you grown men.
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I was here for this one too.
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Wow, what the hell have i stumbled into?????
Anyway, hoping to drag this thread back to its original concept, i think the biggest EGO is........................... ......
Slowhandjobby!
Always moaning about HO and people should use ACM....
oh and by the way if u are as good as u think u are slowhand, how come u lose so many HO`s?????
:confused:
First class tosser......
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It's becoming a new tradition you know.
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...or if the doesn't suit your fancy...
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I looked all over the net for information on Mr. GrayEagle, and all I found was porn, and a portrait before he earned his wings.
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Oops, I forgot to include his portrait. Silly me.
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Originally posted by Voss
I looked all over the net for information on Mr. GrayEagle, and all I found was porn, and a portrait before he earned his wings.
Funny, I found this (http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm) collection of his WW2 artwork.
Attached is a sample.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Voss
I looked all over the net for information on Mr. GrayEagle, and all I found was porn, and a portrait before he earned his wings.
just another thing you're incompetent at, i guess.
http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm
http://www.gamasutra.com/connection/geek_of_the_week/profiles/19980116_frank_williamson.htm
http://www.cris.com/~Twist/frank.shtml
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What I wanna know is.... who did those renders for the TAS "game"...
They were quite impressive, even if they were supposed to be screenshots of vaporware.
-SW
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I really, honestly hate to jump on a flame thread like this. But...
This link http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm (http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm ) is friggin AMAZING.
I clicked on the roster part, and there are a whole bunch of WW2 pilots with their stories. That is one awesome link, thanks for diggin it up. It is going in my favorites.
GrayEagle, your artwork is amazing. I think I read you live in Virginia. What part of Virginia? I'll but you a drink if you don't mind a short drive (I live near Annapolis, Md).
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I did. Although, it's probably been lost to the various changes in the UBB here, I have posted some images here (aircraft & vehicles, and Screenshots and Images forums). None of those are any part of T.A.S. (note no 13 on it) or any other video game; vaporware or otherwise.
I still model from time-to-time, but I fly AH in all my free time (as you all know I live in this game) and so progress has been abysmal.
BTW, 'Vaporware' is a term first coined by Ann Winblad. She was discussing a product that seemed to have disappeared from the scopes of software vendors after its creator had made its development known. That creator was Bill Gates and the software was Windows. Well, history will not repeat itself there.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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urchin, that was in his kesmai days, before EA pulled the plug...
yeah, he's a damn fine artist, huh?
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Damn! that IS awesome stuff there Frank. My apologies, I will now digress as previosuly suggested.
Wonderful stuff. Thanks for the link.
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He's a much better artist than me, thats for sure. I'll try to attach a 'sample' of my 'work' to show you what I mean.
Here is a Fw190 attacking a B-17 from the rear. You'll just have to take my word for it.
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The biggest ego is.................
IM INVINCABLE:D
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This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.
> How much money did he get from who?
Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.
I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.
Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.
I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.
The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development
costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.
Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to
encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.
He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own
a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.
He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.
This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.
During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.
The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.
When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the
USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.
As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.
Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.
Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk
even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.
Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!
He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the
expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!
How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time :)
This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.
The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,
some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.
For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.
Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.
Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.
I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we
go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.
But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.
The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.
When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.
It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.
I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?
Badz
-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson
(no .. I dont live in VA any longer .. presently packing for a move to Phoenix, AZ .. of all things :)
I am glad you enjoy the art I have done, +mia's web site dedicated to the WW2 pilots that live in the Bay area is very well done. When he asked for images, I gave him all I had that applied. They were done over several years between 'crushes' and 'deadlines' while I was at Kesmai .. for fun.
-evil grin- .. I am playin around with Microsoft Flight Sim 2002 a bit, and buildin a few of my favorite planes. Felix, of the Damned, is gettin a web site up to feature them as I finish 'em.
There's a whole huge ball of stuff to do for one o' them planes.
I have a Ryan STA (along with the supercharged version) flyin, and I did a remodel of a nicely done P-51 ..done in 'Crazy Horse' livery. The dynamic reflections finally enable me to make aluminum that looks like aluminum :)
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Ah cmon Voss you mean to tell me the only ammo you have left in this mudslinging contest is some stupid pictures?
Break out some really crappy renders of the Wb3 engine and photoship GEs name on them. That'll get this party started again.
Gray, since you live in the area maybe you might be interested in a little get together for New England sim pilots?
There was a plan in the works last winter but it got shelved and I'm trying to drum up support for it again.
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Since my last piece of artwork has such critical acclaim, I'll unveil my new piece now after only 15 minutes of work.
This is entitled "This poor Mossie caught on fire after only a couple shots from the P38!" Again, I've taken some freedom of expression... in fact this is more of a nuevo art piece than a strict rendition.
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Yes i made it in a closed thread !!
:D
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Dang Urchin, you could be the next Picasso!
Sell them on Ebay and see what you get :D
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Voss
I looked all over the net for information on Mr. GrayEagle, and all I found was porn, and a portrait before he earned his wings.
This is one of my favorites from GE.
(http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/p38hi_38s.jpg)
Ack-Ack
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P38 looks quite lifelike Urchin.
no wonder they eat all my 30mm, M1 tank armor :(
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GE's pilot art has none of the 'sunny side up egg eyes' on a 'ape looking hideous 3 pixel block head' details, like AH.
It's rather void.
Thank gad.
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Voss,
When I attend my first con, more than likely in two years (2004). I will by the 13TAS a round of beers.
It is sad that you are being burned at the stake here for reasons I don't even want to understand. I guess some people in here don't need a "second chance" Voss, their lives have been perfect.
I know we've been in some scraps in the MA. I have to say that you are a good stick and a gentleman, unlike some of the pukes in here who think their toejam don't stink. You, at least back.
Voss and see you up there.
Karaya2
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Yo, GE!! Long time. :)
5190
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Originally posted by Shane
lol, this thread had validity? only in that it was trying to set up people for getting hammered... so i guess the tack it took is just as valid.
we *are* talking *ego* aren't we?
:cool:
Awe, what a shame, Shane. They went and hijacked it before you got all the attention you needed from it.
Arfann
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Originally posted by Arfann
Awe, what a shame, Shane. They went and hijacked it before you got all the attention you needed from it.
Arfann
I supposedly get all the attention I need from the Hottie Trekkies.
:cool:
made it so.
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second chances? sure, a lot of us have gotten second chances. By defenition tho, a second chance would mean starting over. Starting over is hard because you have to admit the imorality of your first chance... If you don't do that then you are not working on a "second chance" you are still on the first one and.... everyone will.... and should.... treat you as such. If yu can't even admit that you lied.... how are you gonna stop?
lazs
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Voss your real name wouldn't be Derek Smart would it?
:eek:
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Crap...the sky must be falling in...I agree with Lazs!!!
Daff (Who remember watching the TAS-saga from the sideline)
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GE thanks for re-posting Badz reccollections of the Voss scam. The only reason people dredge this up from time to time is to make sure it never happens to anyone again.
So long as Voss's RL credibility stays in the toilet, everyone else can keep thier money more safely.
-W
PS: Should one KenJr (AKA Ken Strohm) ever show up, We'lll treat you all to another wild tale of false claims, and money parted.
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Awesome work GrayEagle !!!
Got any FM2s in your collection ?
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To be fair, GE's stills were able to use a lot more pixals than the animated stuff he did for AW2-3. Comparing stills to "in-game" is like apples and oranges.
That said, He's my favorite 3D aeroplane artist of all time. (Him and Randy "Artist" Green)
I hear GE's between gigs at the moment - too bad HTC couldn't scoop him up before someone else does. :)
-Wayne
Originally posted by Creamo
GE's pilot art has none of the 'sunny side up egg eyes' on a 'ape looking hideous 3 pixel block head' details, like AH.
It's rather void.
Thank gad.
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I nominate ME!!! i am the best fighter in the MK I.!!! j00 @|| sux0rs!
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I was wondering if the coil spring inside Voss would either; cease-up from over-winding, or just explode, when the key sticking out of his back was wound too far or fast. From the looks of it, however, I think that he'll just clang his little cymbals and shriek as quickly as he is wound!
eskimo
LOL! Now THAT was worth reading this thread for. Bahahaha.
Ahhh, memories. :D
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how did a junk thread like this get so many posts???
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I dont know but Ive been waiting to see who the FBI haul off first.Uh oh.....theres a black van that just pulled up.I knew I shouldnt have responded to this.
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Urchin .... you should feel proud to know that your P-38 Art is now gracing my monitor as a permanent screensaver. :D
Thanks,
Fire
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I remember a massive Flyby for KenJr's Dad back in 97 or 98. Was that not legit?
I wanna hear more! Please tell us all about the old days Grandpa!
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The biggest egos in the game:
Anyone with multiple posts in this thread.
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Voss still being stupid I see.
eyep eyep eyep...
:rolleyes:
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Something I've noticed on the funniest thread I've seen is that most of the people that diss other people's "skills to ego" ratio have a pretty big ego themselves. I don't have anything against anyone here, but I found it funny when people are like "you suck, cause....(something about his/her mom).... while I shoot you up in my plane, while being chased by 2 cons!!" Personally, if I hear someone in the game with a big mouth from the other team, I'll go out of my way to shoot them down (although, half of the time, they end up shooting me down, oh well :( ) but most of the egos are either noobs or just immature people (when I first started out in Warbirds b4 i came here, I thought I could just shoot down a plane once they were in my crosshairs.. oh how wrong I was ;) ) but people who aren't noobs and day after day just trash talk, that bugs the hell out of me. the moral to this wonderful golden masterpiece is, down with the egos! Let's just let our playing do the talking, not some of these brats.
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How bout them Bucs this weekend!!!! Not one fricken offensive TD
only special team scores!!!
T0J0
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"We've got about another 32 hours before this thread is locked. HT, this is my personal request to ban GE from the board permanently. He will continue to engage in this sort of crap forever, and I won't put up with it. Further, I wasn't kidding about going after the love muffines that continue down this road.
"
lol
I nominate this one for whine of the week.
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Please put this thread out of its misery.
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pongo... it gives me the creeps..
i watched the movie "a beautiful mind" yesterday and i can't get the picture out of my head of our boy driving out to some deserted lot somewhere and "pre-flighting" his "p51" and all the while talking to his "crew chief" and "crew".
wonder if his FBI buddies look like Ed Harris?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
wonder if his FBI buddies look like Ed Harris?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
What?! You think he aint real? Does he look real to you? Of course he's real.
:)
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You know, I was buying his story til his wife went out to the shed and saw all the clippings on the wall.
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oops
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I wanna hear Voss's side of the story!! After that I wanna go down to local figure 8 track and watch wrecks!
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Originally posted by akak
This is one of my favorites from GE.
Ack-Ack
My (GE favourite) was the IL2 m3 flying over the T-34 ...........cant find my copy.........
Pity he never did a La5 FN in action............
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Voss,
As a person who was in the "Beta" for TAS, and who paid 300 bucks for a VoodooI card on a Friday when you personally told us the game was being compiled that weekend.. I feel I have EVERY right to reply to your utter BS.
For those of you who are new in the Sim community, Voss ran one of the largest BS scams I've seen in 20 years of Simming.. He posted some great renders he claimed were "In Game Shots" of a game that never existed..not even in an alpha stage.. Think of everything you ever dreamed of for a flight sim, he claimed it was done and in the game. Every feature, every graphics tweak, every nifty thing.. It got to the point that people posted requests.. hundreds of requests..for features that would take years to implement.. Voss replies.. Yup, they are in there.. He NEVER said no.. right then I knew it was BS.
Among his many "Claims to Fame" was that he (And I QUOTE him directly and EXPLICITLY) "Left an F16 canopy with his name on it in the Iraqi desert during Desert Storm" He also claimed to have 2 confirmed Mig kills..
Obviously things like that tend to raise eyebrows amongst the many REAL veterans who peruse the forums.. Like the crafty veterans who took Voss's claims to have been an Air Force Academy graduate and did a check with the Academy.. Guess what.. nada..
Oh wait, the "Agency" blacked out my records because I went right from the Academy to an F16 testing unit (With no F16 hours mind you. :))
Voss eventually counters that "His identity was changed after Desert Storm to protect him from Iraqi intelligence seeking revenge for his Mig kills.. yeah ok :)
Remember flying the 109 over a drug growing operation when a grower fired a round into your cooling system and you had to dich it? :)
Remember giving Robey Price crap that he never saw combat and didn't know what it was really like? :)
One of my all time favorites was when the Beta Version of the game didn't appear on Monday... and neither did Voss.. or his alter ego John "Oneman" Burkes So for a while there is no reply.. hmmm...
After a long period of invisibility during which info began to come out that there in fact was NO GAME to compile.. we get word that Voss is deeply ill, near death with a brain tumor.. he needs your support and compassion... He plays that until people ask about the Hospital... oh ok..they probably keep records on brain tumors don't they.. better back off from that one...
Magically Voss's malady turns into a poisonous Scorpion stinger hidden deeply under his finger nail.. (still laughing about that one actually )
A lot of people have fond memories of people producing information that specifically and directly refuted all your claims..one by one..
Of all the things you did, claiming to be a combat veteran is the most telling.. In that one act, you gave the world a clear picture of the true you..
P.S. When you see your FBI Agent "Friends" again, have them call the Narcotics Task Force at FBI Boston and look me up, they'll know how.. I have a story for them..
John =Jagr= Tasker
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never mind, not worth it
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The only thing more amazing then voss or anyone pulling something like that in the first place is how he insists on making a big deal about it every year...
all he has to do is respond to a post like that by saying he is sorry and trying to put it behind him...
big reason why I dont like people taking real airmens names as their handles in the game. Werner Voss must be rolling in his grave at the antics of his namesake.
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IIRC the only guy with more than 1 air to air kill in DS was a Saudi pilot with 2. Could Voss be Saudi?
I decided to look into the Google group search. At one point Voss claims that his sim is complete, and that it is only his partner that is keeping it from beta release.
Fun stuff. C'mon Voss, come clean, whats the real skinny?
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Now you have to admit the he (Voss) has "The Wobble" beat hands down .:rolleyes:
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Uh, still here eh?
Hi guys! *waves* :D
All we need now is a death threat!
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I already answered every point in this thread more than a year ago. For those of you unwilling to except those answers, you can go diddly yourselves. For the remainder, that must endure this annual roast, I apologize.
Here again is my F16. Note that it is an R/C job, and quite pretty. Pity the P51 and Fokker Dr. 1 didn't survive the years of use.
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Is this the plane that you flew in desert storm Voss?
:p
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Whelp, that ought to be good for another fifty posts.
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Nice F-16 VOSS. Can that thing fly five miles up where all the clouds are?
:D
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So this is what the CIA markings look like?
I'm disappointed, I thought they were dull grey or matt black...
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VOSS, I know how to make a small charge for an RC bomb you can sling on the centerline if your interested. You'll need a pack of red chinese firecrackers, makes a nice 3 feet fireball you can see during the day. Let me know.
;)
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This is a cut and paste from alt.games a while back..
The "Robey" character is a real USAF veteran BTW...
So Paul Hinds said he was a B-2 pilot and 'astronut?'
The following is an extract from private email he sent me in response to
questions raised about his background.
[My questions...]
> Also, I gathered from a post of yours [Mike Hobuss] awhile back (2 months) that you
> were assigned to USAFA and Paul was there as an "inmate" to use your
> term. Well I can't find anybody named Paul Hinds nor Paul Hines that
> ever graduated from USAFA. Most curious...my data only covers up until
> the class of 1994. Of course if he graduated in 1995...went to UPT and
> F-16 RTU (as he told me in email that he flew F-16s) that would put him
> in a line cockpit around December of 1996. Obiviously he was not on
> active duty six months ago.
[Hinds' Response]
Not that it's anyone's business; I was a zoo animal in '77-'79 before I
transferred out to MIT under cooperative education with
"Lockheed-Martin"
and later "AeroDyne Industries." At Lockheed-Martin I tested several
aircraft that were testbeds for technologies implemented in later types.
I
did a lot of company work, too. In '83 the Air Force decided it was time
to
launch my true career, which is not a subject for discussion.
************************************
Stop for a moment...he started at the USAFA in 1977, and would graduate
in 1981. And he managed to conduct flight tests sometime between 1981
and 1983? Okay, UPT (AF pilot training) takes 12 months, and guys finish
with approximately 200 hours in jets. Sooooo, here we have a guy with
200 hours in jets conducting industry flight tests between 1982 and
1983. Sure I believe him.
Back to our story
> So can you tell me when you were stationed at the Zoo? I'm finding it
> very difficult to defend him when I can't find any F-16 bud (active
> duty, ANG, AFRes, or former like myself) that has heard of Paul. And
> three different zoomies have looked through the AOG (Association of
> Graduates) resources...nada. The last Hinds to graduate was/is a guy
> named John back in 1984 that became a navigator.
There is a Bruce, from my family, that graduated in the early 70's (not
sure of the date). He was chief test pilot on the B-2 project.
********************************************
Anybody got something they want to share?
Robey...Spanish Inquisitor
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FYI after this guy posed these direct questions, the only reply was a large sucking sound from Voss...
These are simple questions. Please try to answer them as clearly and
in as direct a manner as possible.
1. If a person was making false statements about your background
(specifically, being a pilot in the U.S.A.F., being a veteran of a
secret combat mission over Iraq in which you shot down 2 enemy
aircraft but were forced to bail out as well, etc.) why did you do
nothing to set the record straight at the time?
2. What is the name of the doctor in charge of your cancer treatments,
his office phone number, and the name of the hospital he works at?
Will he know who Paul Hinds is if he is contacted? Would you give him
the authority to verify that you have been treated for caner? If you
would do such a thing, it would really assist in defending your
credibility against the attacks of those who think you have none,
would it not?
3. What is the name of the person who was claiming to be you? What was
his explanation for his alleged actions?
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Ahh the good old days :)
: Nos, his claims have been disproven beyond a reasonable doubt. As
BULLHOCKEY!!!!
pips, R.Price, et al,
If you are looking for confirmation, or denial, go to hell, stop reading
now, and accept your current opinion as *truth*. I don't lie. That should
be simple enough, even for you twits.
I don't appreciate the general witchhunt you guys have created in
response to letters sent just a month ago. Not even a month ago. To LIE and
pat each other on the back for a "good kill" after a few of you got
together and gossiped and rumorized, etc. is just totally unlike anything
an Air Force Officer would do. Navy pukes maybe, but not Air Force.
Furthermore, to perpetuate this *crap* on the usenet is something I would
expect of idiotic brats, not airmen.
To begin with, this all began after a review I did with Michael and *name
withheld* for our "soon to be released" game. Michael slipped and said
something "off the record" which I then corrected and asked *name withheld*
to ignore. He agreed. Three months passed before Robey Price began looking
into things which are none of his business. Got that Robey? It's NONE OF
YOUR BUSINESS! You, and you alone, are responsible for the escalation of
this crap. I don't blame you (too much) though. It must be pretty boring
hauling cattle for a living. Had I NOT fallen ill at such a poorly timed
occasion I would have gotten back to you. I believe your letter deserved
more then a perfunctory (look it up) note which is all I have had time for.
Yes, I answered others. No, they were short notes and did not involve
calling up people in far away places to confirm something for you CHILDREN!
BTW, your note was dated May 10, 1997. Not March 10, which some idiots are
trying to convince us all of. I am not so easily fooled, so get used to it.
Yes, pips, I quess that includes you.
THEN! Of all the nerve! You send a young man into a den of lions to
obtain information for your kangaroo court! Do you really lack
entertainment to this degree? Just what the hell did you expect him to come
back with? Then I get all these psychopathic ravings in my email. "Oneman
and Voss are the same guy", and "I called the University." You're a real
loser Robey! I mean that! Even the liberal press of today has more couth
then to print such rubbish before they CAREFULLY review the facts.
Do I owe you an explanation? Hell no! Am I going to give you one? In a
pigs eye!
I never said anything like what you are implying (hell, outright stating)
on the BBS, on WB, or even in AW. If you think I did, or any of your
friends, you need to get off the cold medicine and rejoin the real world.
Now, I wonder why Paul "Voss" Hinds is SO PISSEY? Well, you have
obviously made an outright attempt to thwart my efforts in creating a bona
fide flight simulation. You have made Michael so nervous he is withdrawing
from our partnership. You have caused the closing of our BBS, and now my
best development team element is so upset he's withdrawn from the team. Now
my squad has even asked for my resignation! Thanks "skeptical amazinhunk" (his
words)! Could I sue you? YES! Am I going to? I don't think it's necessary.
Do I want you on the beta team? I think you know the answer; all of you.
The next time you hear something on a VIRTUAL GAME, take it for the
virtual crap it is. You never know who is flying that rig over there. I
know ICI doesn't like more then one person flying a single account. So
fornicating what! If they want to keep me off the game, that's their loss.
I expect to lose quite a bit of ground with all the bull splatter you've
stirred up. I appreciate it, I really do.
Now, if you don't mind, I am going to have to work VERY hard to come up
with the cash to finance the completion of this game. The extra work load
is something you helped to perpetuate. I appreciate all the information you
forwarded regarding fields of the era, but that does not give you the right
to make demands upon me. I offered "Tactical Aero Squadron" up for FREE
testing with a FREE discussion board. I did not deserve the accusations
that you forced upon all of us, and I do not need your crap now, nor in the
future.
I know you have delighted in creating havoc and mayhem on the Internet.
You went so far as to warn Michael and Bill not to give me any money. You
probably don't know that I gave Michael 50% of Pro-Line just for discussing
ideas and helping to create a playable game. I never asked Bill for
anything. Nothing. (In all fairness Michael was nice enough to furnish a
development computer)
So! Where's your scandal? In your head amazinhunk! Vent it for us!
Don't bother sending me email in the future. It'll get sent to the
recycle bin before it ever gets here. I promise you.
Now, I am off to recuperate my health. I don't expect there will be much
of a test group left when I get back (I hope in three weeks). I will inform
everyone via the web site when TAS is ready (we have a demo coming together
too). If Michael really does withdraw from our partnership it may take a
little longer, as that would require a visit to Austin to finalize
legalities. Maybe longer then anyone will care to wait.
Does the sun rise and set around your ass? I think not!
THANKS ROBEY!
Paul "Voss" Hinds
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Wow.. was I ever this reasonable? :)
This is posted after receiving a personal email frrom Voss claiming he's got a brain tumor and needs our compassion.. boy was I young then :)
John "OneMan" Birkes wrote:
>
> I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's
> family.
> I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care
> to
> accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his
> wingman
> in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was
> in
> violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or
> whoever
> got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who.
> It
> doesn't matter.
> No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there
> was
> no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know
> what his
> family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had
> some
> other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep
> refering to him by that name.
> I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to
> put
> your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and
> Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in
> college,
> was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They
> both
> served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a
> teenager
> and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a
> cooperative
> venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got
> together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would
> leave his
> Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team.
> He
> stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some
> other
> duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something
> happened
> there that no one wants to discuss.
> It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have
> to
> guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't.
> So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in
> the Air
> Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have
> kept
> his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
> You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed
> further via
> any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you
> getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll
> ever
> know more.
> I think that's the end of this discussion for me.
>
> I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military,
> stated
> that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
> personnel of the world, is full of toejam. Most military amazinhunks are
> scum or
> bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.
>
> John "OneMan" Birkes
John/Robey/Et All....
From an outsiders perspective, one with No flying experience, and No
Military Experience, I'd like to make an observation.
From what I have seen and heard, Paul made statements he most likely
should not have made regardless of whose story you believe. People
called him on some of these statements for their own reasons and
apparently are NEVER going to get an answer from Paul. People can judge
him based upon what he has said and what has been said about him. Thats
everyones right.
The controversey has been brought to the surface, and everyone has
spoken on the subject other than Paul. If he ever has the ability to do
so..then fine. If not, then fine too. Despite my personal feelings
about what someone might have said, Other than asking him to put up or
shut up, theres not a heck of a lot I can or would even bother doing.
What would be the goal?
If Paul "Voss" Hinds lied about this past Paul "Voss" Hinds will have
to live with it. If people are that offended, then stop communicating
with him...don't play his game if and when it is finished and leave it
at that. Everyone that knows anything about the issue has heard all the
details more than once and can make their own decisions.
I personally will take every statement about Paul from all sources with
a grain of salt. Regarding the most recent explanation of Pauls
actions, I can only say that I know someone very personally that while a
member of the US Armed services performed acts on behalf of our country
in far away places that never have or will make CNN. So I will give
Paul the benefit of the doubt and drop the issue.
If Paul lied/misrepresented himself does that make him an evil person?
No... Would I front him $20,000 for TAS without knowing him personally?
No.. But I certainly wouldn't wish him ill health either. And if and
when TAS is completed, I hope to participate in it.. making a mistake
no matter how sensitive is not something for which I would condemn a
person...
I think its time to put this behind us all...there is really no sense
is carrying this on any further since it is really not taking us
anywhere..
In closing, I sent Paul notes of encouragement before this fiasco, and
this issue being raised does not remove my human compassion. To Paul and
his family and friends, my sincere wishes that he recovers from his
condition.
In the words of the famed Los Angeles Scholar Rodney King...
"Can't we all just get along?"
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Hiya Jagr, (Rip1 here), what you doing slumming in this mud? Hope all is well, see ya soon someday I hope!
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Its a miracle!@
Well, I'm back. Yes, cancer was a bear, but I'm over it (I hope forever).
Many of you lost faith in my goal (of putting out the sim - TAS) when my
reputation came under fire. Don't worry, I'm still the cold blooded,
heartless killer I always was. I'll be returning to every arena available
very soon. Yes, my wing is still with me and we'll be reassembling the
squadron as well. We fly Mustangs, and Mustangs only. If you care to vent
your hatred upon me, we all await the hoards (we'll rack up tons of kills).
On the flight sim creation topic; yes, I'll be doing that again too. TAS
is gone forever though. A recent release has included nearly everything we
discussed on the TAS BBS, but no hard feelings. I'll make the final product
even better, and encompass even more of period life. You'll love it.
But, we're still a LONG way off from seeing anything. I have a new
partner, and we're just now working out the business plan. Once we have the
funds, you will see many and varied flight sim products in release. Right
now I'm still assembling tools, but we have a plan, a goal, and an approach.
We WILL be successful.
Come by and visit! You can see our progress at:
http://www.roled.com/aerosoft
The offerings thus far are few. That will change in time. Bookmark us,
return often, and enjoy!
Squadrons! You may want to register with us. I know the web site is not
clear on this, but email us your choice of colors, logos, pilot faces, and
handles. We have a great product coming out very soon (3DFX only) and I know
you want to be represented. You DO NOT have to register to get your
squadrons in. You won't get custom work done, but you will get into the
release.
I hope to hear from all of you very soon.
Showtime!
Paul "Voss" Hinds
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Enough Said..
Paul "Voss" Hinds maybe "OneMan" wrote a whole bunch of stuff...
> If you are looking for confirmation, or denial, go to hell, stop reading
> now, and accept your current opinion as *truth*. I don't lie.
Ummmm....you won't be offended if I choose not to accept that last
statement will you?
> To begin with, this all began after a review I did with Michael and *name
> withheld* for our "soon to be released" game. Michael slipped and said
> something "off the record" which I then corrected and asked *name withheld*
> to ignore. He agreed.
> Three months passed before Robey Price began looking into things which are
> none of his business. Got that Robey? It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Ummm...actually I began questioning things (Back in Dec 1996) when you
told me that you ALSO flew F-16s. I was psyched that a another Viper guy
was making a cool air combat sim. When I told some Viper Buds about a
"brother" with THREE PhDs, they thought you had to go to the Zoo (USAFA)
for your Astro background. But no current/former F-16 guy I checked with
ever heard of you and the Academy Grads could find NO RECORD of Paul D.
Hinds at the Academy.....EVER...But with all the email you were getting
I believed that you were too busy to enlighten me.
I thought you were the real-deal...I don't anymore...plain and simple.
Here is the email from Scott Butcher USAFA Class of 1981 (this was just
last month after you said you attended from '77-79):
] Robey,
] Alright, I dragged the yearbooks down from the attic (their normal
place of
] honor) and dusted them off. There was no Paul Hinds at the academy in
the
] 77-78 yearbook or the 78-79 yearbook. I sure don't remember running
into
] him.
] Please tell me that this guy doesn't fly for Northwest. It sounds
like the
] biggest crock of toejam I've ever heard, flying '16s and getting 3 PhDs,
yeah
] right. Every '16 driver I've ever run into compares notes on dates
and
] squadrons to find common friends. Let me know 'the rest of the
story'.
So that was from a fellow F-16 pilot that was your classmate at the
Academy.
> You, and you alone, are responsible for the escalation of this crap.
[blushing] Ummm thanks, (looking over at Pips, SAM Magnet, Schlong AKA
Eagl) but it was pretty easy when one considers the magnitude (my PhD
word for the day) of your credentials or "bona fides" as it were.
> It must be pretty boring hauling cattle for a living.
(ouch...that rapier wit) Yep...and I LOVE IT...that's about all this 40
year old body and balding pate can handle, and boy and some of those
cattle are built like "brick outhouses." It was a brutally boring 4 day
trip that turned into a 3 day trip. Sacramento was ONLY 82 degrees when
we got there, and I was so bored in Orlando today sitting out by the
pool. Oh my, all that cattle out there...yep pretty boring...throw me in
that briar patch B'rer Fox.
Everybody welcome "Schlong" (WB eagl) back to the world. So Schlong how
was that "first class meal" during your ride back from the sand box?
Don't you think AAR procedures really belong in section three (EPs) of
the Dash One? (Old Phantom joke)... I always let the Captain pick which
entree he wants first.
> BTW, your note was dated May 10, 1997. Not March 10, which some idiots are
> trying to convince us all of.
Okay, that indeed is the date of my BIG question to you about the USAFA
story. But timeline is not really the point...
> I am not so easily fooled, so get used to it.
Perhaps you think potential customers and investors are....
> Then I get all these psychopathic ravings in my email. "Oneman
> and Voss are the same guy", and "I called the University." You're a real
> loser Robey! I mean that!
Ummm, Oops NEVER said I called...said I checked with the University.
Voss when you say, "I mean that!" Should we interpret that the same way
that you shot down two Iraqis and now fear for your life due to Iraqi
retaliation? Geez didn't they release ALL the POWs unharmed? But this is
the email I got from Marcia Overby at the University of Arkansas
(Chancellor's Office)
Dear Robey, I am sorry that I didn't reply sooner, but I was out of
town
on Friday. It appears that Dr. Hinds is no longer employed by the
University of Arkansas, and I was not able to find a forwarding address.
Sorry that I wasn't more help to you. --Marcia
> Even the liberal press of today has more couth then to print such rubbish before
> they CAREFULLY review the facts.
I'm lost here Voss...now I'm forced to reveal that my degree is merely
political science and that I am a liberal (Pips, SAM Magnet, Schlong,
Toad don't hate me.), I've NEVER flown in combat, I hated working with
nukes, and Hornet drivers kicked my bellybutton in every 1-v-1 encounter I ever
had with them (MCAS Beaufort and NAS Cecil Field). I had "pipper burns"
from those guys. (Stop gloating Pips!)
> Now, if you don't mind, I am going to have to work VERY hard to come up
> with the cash to finance the completion of this game.
Simple solution...sell your Mustang, which has N number...(fill in the
LARGE BLANK). Or sell that last remaining AUTHENTIC Fokker Dr-1 you have
in your barn/hanger (you said you had it back in Feb on the TAS BBS). I
would imagine that Dr-1 would fetch a tidy sum of coin of the realm.
Especially when aviation historians think the last authentic Fokker Dr-1
was destroyed in Berlin back in 1945. Those dummies.
> I know you have delighted in creating havoc and mayhem on the Internet.
"Mass hysteria...Dogs and Cats living together..."
> You went so far as to warn Michael and Bill not to give me any money.
Absolutely correct. I suggest that everyone research any potential
investment. Only invest in things you understand and avoid giving money
to folks when their story doesn't check out. Don't take candy from
strangers.
Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on ME.
> You probably don't know that I gave Michael 50% of Pro-Line just for discussing
> ideas and helping to create a playable game.
And exactly what is the ROI (return on investment) for 50% of zero?
Perhaps it's the same as the "derivative of a constant" (christ this IS
THE ONLY thing I learned in calculus in 1974). The derivative of a
constant is zero...right Voss?
NOTE TO: Nosferatu, Hawkeye, Brad Hitz et al...I realize you folks could
give a rat's rear about anybody claiming to be something they're not.
While I don't share that view, I respect that opinion. It is not my
intention that the "Saga of Paul Hinds" become the longest running soap
opera on this NG.
Hawkeye, you are correct that this is POORLY timed considering Paul's
health, so your suggestion to let it go for now...that's fair. I did
post my claims BEFORE the reports of Paul on his deathbed.
I brought this to the NG because some folks (us military amazinhunks) do
care about it, and I wanted to force Paul to address the specific
claims. Apparently Mike Hobuss (Paul's business partner) found my
information MORE CREDIBLE than anything Paul had to offer.
The members of the River Rats, http://www2.eos.net/RRVA/index.html
consider Paul Hinds a "wannabe." Just check with Al Bache, current
Executive Director (he can verify my credentials).
CASE CLOSED!
Robey "Cattle Drover" Price
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Hawkeye wrote:
: Never said Robey was a bad guy, I said he was an amazinhunk for bringing
: it up now at this time. I'm an amazinhunk from time to time myself,
: it's human nature. I don't give a damn about what's true or untrue at
: this point in time. What I am saying is to just LET IT BE for now,
: because NOW is NOT THE TIME! Is that so hard to friggin'
: understand??? I'm thru talking on this, my best wishes to Paul for a
: speedy recovery.
: Hawkeye
Well, I've gone back and read the entire thing on Deja News. from what I
can tell, unless I have missed key posts, Robey started calling "Voss" on
this before the 'sickness' was announced. It looks announced after the
house of cards started falling.
Robey stands behind his name, his profession, and his record. That's more
than we can say for Paul Hinds, who, in my estimation, is a total fake.
TAS never existed, except as a few renderings using a SGI workstation.
It never will exist, there isn't even the hint of an Intel based sim in
pre-alpha. In short, IT WAS A HOAX.
I don't know who this 'oneman' is, but it's probably the Hinds-alter ego,
a second account made to look like a second person.
So let's sum this up:
1. Paul Hinds is not dying. He may have never existed. If he is sick, as
he says, I defy anyone to post the name of the hospital he is in.
Who is the physician treating him? I expect silence on this, because Paul
may fear "retribution" from the Iraqi illuminati or something. C'mon.
Spare us.
2. Whomever is behind the Hinds persona is some sort of weird, perverse
individual who delights in pretending he is a coder, a pilot, a hero,
whatever. He is none of these things. He can't even use Paint Shop Pro
that well.
3. Oneman is the persona that this individual will "become".
4. TAS never existed. Not in beta, not as a single line of C or C++ code
under any Intel based architecture. They were renders using Lightwave or
some other 3D package.
5. Robey has been way too nice about this. He should have simply called
it, and moved on.
6. Some poor sap who was suckered into providing financing for the project
posted to the closed beta list that he now doubted Paul was real, or the
game ever existed. He basically fessed up to getting taken for a ride, the
poor sap.
Case closed. Forget TAS ever existed, and gnore all further posts from
anyone having any involvement with it. Some nerd has decided to see how
far he could push the envelope of a hoax on the Internet. Frankly, it was
much farther than I would have guessed, owing in great part to the tenets
laid out by the estimable P.T. Barnum many years ago.
It's an electronic flea circus guys. Wake up.
XX
P.S. I wait with anticipation for "oneMan" to rebut, no doubt calling me
heartless and unappreciative of this war hero's plight. Save it.
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Hiya Rip1!!!!
A little bird told me about this thread and I just had to drop by and join in...
One of these days I have to grab another account in AH and have a reunion with the guys from "The Old Days" :)
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Never mind...
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I'm honestly confused. I guess I'd have to know who was who to make sense of this web. Anyway, I think it is time for me to put this thread back on track, so here is more of my 'artwork'!
Hum, my new artwork is too big! I need someone to host my artwork! It is quite good, I promise.
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Hehe, this is a blast from the past ;-)
Hi guys, still thrashing this one out?
Thought I'd drop in - see that I've been missing all the fun.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I'm honestly confused. I guess I'd have to know who was who to make sense of this web. Anyway, I think it is time for me to put this thread back on track, so here is more of my 'artwork'!
Hum, my new artwork is too big! I need someone to host my artwork! It is quite good, I promise.
I'll be happy to put your 'art' up on a server to show the rest of the world :)
BTW- The P-38 'art' work still makes me laugh when I see it, I love the tank turret.
ack-ack
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Hey yeah dweebs, It’s me!! No, really! It's me!
Yo, Poopster dog… hand me and Krod a cold one please. ;)
BTY: Krod's website was "the" newbie information site when I started flying online sims 4 years ago. Thank you Krod. :)
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Please put this thread out of its misery.
Maybe when Voss finally takes responsibility for his actions in this matter it will *eventually* die. Until then, I think reminding the flight sim community every once in awhile about Mr. Voss is the responsible thing to do.
All Voss has done so far to defend himself is to threaten both Grey Eagle and myself with lawsuits and call us love muffines, without answering any of the simple questions about his validity we've asked. He tried to turn the tables and asked GE and myself about our 'bona fides' and once we responded with the work we've done, he again reverted to the "I'm going to sue you for slander!" line of defense, which 99% of the time used by those that are guilty.
So until Voss does the right thing and finally act like a man and take responsibility for his actions, I hope this thread never dies and all people new to our 'community' have a chance to read it and know that there is a snake among us.
Ack-Ack
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Ok Ak-ak, I emailed you the 'art' :).
The first one is a dofight between F6F's and Zekes.
The second one is an M8 in.. erm... 'action' :).
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Heya Krod!
These sort of threads bring back old timers :)
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Krod?
Sheesh, I haven't seen that ident in a while. I should get online more :)
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Simple solution here voss.I believe the majority of people here have shown sufficiant evidence to show something happened.Fes up.Be done with it and we can drop this thread forever.Personaly I feel we all have fugged up at some time but the true test of the man is being able to admit there mistakes.Say ya did something wrong and make these people happy and we can start flying again.
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Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
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Voss, you might hire AKNimitz, he's a ruthless lawyer who'd be glad to handle your case. Right nimmy? :)
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Originally posted by Voss
Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
Errr Ummmm, might want to check them dates on the nondisclosure agreement.
What I am finding hard to believe is that someone actualy bought that line of crap anyway. I mean sheeeesh , CIA, F16 pilot, 3 PHD`s, scorpion induce heart attacks, brain tumors....................... .. Hell I had more believable pick up lines when I was 18. lmao:eek:
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Voss... give it up. People have been very forgiving here and have allowed you to peacefully co-exist. Its been going well. What may never be welcome in an on-line combat game is a situation where you pull out a soap box and start lecturing with a hollier than thou tone. Too many people remember the TAS situation and your role in it. And give up the legal stance... you have no idea just how rediculous it makes you look. Intellectual property for a game that never had a single line of code written? Come on voss.
Everyone else... are you really going to say anything to voss that hasn't been said over the last 6 years? Feel free to knock the soap box out from under him. Feel free to warn others if he holds out his hands asking for money again. Its your right. But please, just give up trying to save him. He's not going to "come clean".
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Voss
Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
Gee now I have to wipe the screen and keyboard.
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dumbest thread yet.....
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You all realize that right now Voss is planning how to kill himself, right?
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When we come back, Jerry's final words..
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Voss = Bobn???????
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Is this the mother-of-all; squeak-slappin, trailer-trash-talkin, pointless, string-em-up, “cripple-fight!”, freak-show threads?
Or, have others (like myself) been enlightened?
I think both.
Yes, it’s been a fine day for both the carnival-goers and us carnies alike!
eskimo
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu [/i]
The biggest egos in the game:
Anyone with multiple posts in this thread. [/QUOTE]
a little while latter...
Originally posted by AKDejaVu [/i]
Voss... give it up. People have been very forgiving here and have allowed you to peacefully co-exist. Its been going well. What may never be welcome in an on-line combat game is a situation where you pull out a soap box and start lecturing with a hollier than thou tone. Too many people remember the TAS situation and your role in it. And give up the legal stance... you have no idea just how rediculous it makes you look. Intellectual property for a game that never had a single line of code written? Come on voss.
Everyone else... are you really going to say anything to voss that hasn't been said over the last 6 years? Feel free to knock the soap box out from under him. Feel free to warn others if he holds out his hands asking for money again. Its your right. But please, just give up trying to save him. He's not going to "come clean".
AKDejaVu
. [/QUOTE]
hehe :)
(I knew that you could only hold out so long!)
eskimo
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So what the heck is this about?
Voss is really someone else? A person that made a game/(said they were going to make it) then didnt?
I mean if this is the case... well.. uhm... its like.. who cares? He/his fake company were just tards, and oh well, so be it then?
I thought Voss was a real life pilot? I thought that Voss did 3d animation/modeling as well.
Are these lies too?
This whole thread is pretty much the most confusing/stupid/funny/wtf Threads I've ever read.
For all of the people that DO NOT have a clue was TAS is, or what this whole stupid.. (very very) stupid :D Thread is about, CAn someone just summerize the complete stupidity in it's entirety that this thread IS!? :eek:
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Originally posted by jbroey3
For all of the people that DO NOT have a clue was TAS is, or what this whole stupid.. (very very) stupid :D Thread is about, CAn someone just summerize the complete stupidity in it's entirety that this thread IS!? :eek:
This thread started out trying to bash Shane for having a big ego but instead Voss, rightly so, got his weenie slapped.
Ack-Ack
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Hm, I think I am having a flashback here. Too bad I don't have access to my old mail and I am not even sure I still have this old stuff anywhere but I remember playing AW (handle was prolly G00SE something, and I think I was in a squad called Shillelagh) and there was this guy who set out to create an uber AW of sorts, the first one with 3d accell support and there was quite some hype going on and I was in the (beta or whatever it was) mailing list (which never was very active) until at some point someone posted that they ... well something along the lines of it was a hoax, vaporware...
But that was many years ago...the name "TAS", it rings a bell just like "Paul Hinds", I definetly gotta dig in my files and see if I have anything from those days left.
Is this that old story? And it's still going? :rolleyes:
-Amboss
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Aparrently this is a yearly public service announcment ment to make people shove there check book a little deeper in their pocket.Also its becoming apparent that voss hasnt even drove a golfball let alone a F16.Strange thread.Ya really Yave to read it all to get the gist.
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If anyone has those original TAS screenshots - I'd like to see them. Fellow Flying Pig Smut (producer of Jane's F-15 and F/A-18 sim btw) told us the key telltale signs to seeing that it was a render.
I still have the pic of Voss sitting in his P-51 cockpit with his name stenciled crudely in photoshop on the canopy. He sent it to Vila at the time, another squadmate - and BTW never said it was an RC plane - it was his REAL plane.
Voss - let's face it. You never even owned a RC P-51. You can't produce any valid pictures to the contrary, other than some scanned photo from a RC magazine.
The TAS thing is slightly amusing - in a Derek Smart way. Over the years I've chalked it up to a sad little man's delusion.
But pretending to be a vet - a vet with alot of combat experience - well after the events of the last year or so - that still rubs me the wrong way.
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Well holy crap... boy I sure do remember this fiasco.
Lots of old names in here! Heya everybody!
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Funked!!!
Voss = Bobn???????
LOL! You beat me to it. :D
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I thought this was the most insane thing I had ever read..
"John "OneMan" Birkes wrote:
I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's
family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his wingman in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was in violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or whoever got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who.
It doesn't matter. No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there was no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know what his family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had some other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep refering to him by that name. I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to put your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in college,
was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They both served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a teenager and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a cooperative venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would leave his Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team.
He stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some other duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something happened there that no one wants to discuss.
It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have to guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't. So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in the Air
Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed
further via any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll ever know more.
I think that's the end of this discussion for me.
I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military personnel of the world, is full of toejam. Most military amazinhunks are scum or bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.
John "OneMan" Birkes
John/Robey/Et All....
"
can you picture Voss typing that in about himself and posting it....increadable...
then I read this..
"Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread."
Sociopath or Scitso...hard call..
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Pongo,
If you thought that was insane, do a google search fior groups.. this was just a little snippet.. :)
The line about intellectual property is a good laugh.. The message board from TAS had a LOT of people on it.. People would post their wildest fantasies they'd want in a "Dream Game" and Voss would answer to each and every one.. "yup its in there!" So apparently Voss owns the rights to every idea that has ever been floating around the newsgrgoups about "I wish it had this or that".
Very little you will ever see in a game is "Unique" information. The trick is being able to actually put that in code and present it in a format people want to play.
I don't have any of the renders still.. I saved a couple of the 109's in the sun.. I showed it to an artist and he took one look and called me back.. "Thats not an in game image, thats a render pure and simple"
One of the other tell tale signs came from a developer I know, he read one quote from Voss about compiling the alpha and how well he went and he said to me "There is no game.. thats total BS.. it NEVER goes that easy the first time"
The RC Scans are funny Voss, but the problem is you never told anyone you "owned" and F16 or "flew" and F16, you told them you were a USAF F16 Pilot and an Air Force Academy Graduate, and a VETERAN of Desert Storm and had 2 Mig Kills in that conflict..You also went on with stories of classified service for the CIA yadda yadda yadda... These were NOT statements you made casually in passing. They each had elaborate stories attached to them..and when challeneged, you defended those statements with even more outlandish lies..
So lets not try to divert the issue by saying it was all semantics.. Thats total BS.. You lied in an elaborate and ever deepening way. Every time you were called on it, you further lied to try and back pedal with even more rediculous stories.. You even asked people for sympathy when it had finally fallen apart claiming you had a brain tumor that appeared terminal.. How pathetic is that?
How much of a disgracee can one person make himself? I suppose we'll just have to keep watching you to find out.. But,, ANY time you EVER try to solicit money from other people for another "Game Scam" this thread will reappear there to make sure the new potential victims will know the real story of "voss".. Its not going to go away.. because as everyone reading this thread can see.. you won't give up on it and admit what you did.. there always a million excuses why you ARE NOT responsible..its always someone elses fault..
P.S. I'm still waiting for my call the guys at the Boston office.. How about this Voss.. You give me one of their names and I'll call THEM :)
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God I hope this isn't over.
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"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning"
W. Churchill 1942
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lol jagr
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I have been casually following this thread for the past few days in mild amusement. Even though I've only been involved in the Sim community for the past year and a half or so, I feel somewhat involved with the emotions being poured out on this board. I fly with a squad known as the 418th Hornets, which is comprised of a great bunch of guys, many of whom are RL commercial pilots for a major airline. If I were to find out that any one of those individuals misrepresented themselves or tried to evoke sympathy from me for some false personal matter, I would be feel quite betrayed. Therefore, I can completely understand the feelings some peole have for this individual. I have flown with VOSS on several occasions as a bishop in the MA, and have never had anything but respect for his flying abilities (simulated of course;) ). But if even half of what is being presented in this thread is true, this person is not only one bolt shy of an erector set, but he is sadisticly insane. Blatant lies regarding our countries servicemen, requests for financial backing, and peoples health, only serve to lower the respect we have for each other in this society. It also evokes an incredible amount of distrust among eachother, both within and outside our sim community.
I must admit, that at first I felt some sympathy for VOSS as this thread began to grow. At this point though, after reading not one substantive reply to the several well-presented claims by others, I am 99% sure that these peoples claims have merit. The mere fact that VOSS has not defended himself in a clear concise manner, leads me to believe that he would rather avoid the issue, than deal with it. Either that, or he still thinks he can lie his way out. (Some people never learn.) I challenge you VOSS, as someone who was not a part of what happened 6 years ago, to prove to those on this board that these individuals are lying. If not, please do not expect any sympathy or respect from me or many others I know. If I were innocently accused of the things you have been in this thread, I know how I would respond. And I don't see any correlation between that tand the way you have replied.
The fact of the matter remains however, that this individual has to live with himself each and every day, and fall asleep knowing that their "LIFE" is nothing more than misrepresenatations over the net and on BBS's. They will never accomplish anything of substance as long as they continue living in their simple-minded fantasy world, and more than likely, we are all better off for that.
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Originally posted by Voss
Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
Derek? Derek Smart? Is that you?
(rips open another bag of Cheesy Poofs and enjoys the show)
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Guess the attorneys will have to wait:
From: Michael P. Hobuss, 103527,30
TO: "Michael\"Amok\" Hobuss, 103527,30
DATE: 7/9/97 12:58 PM
RE: Proceedings Adjourned
To All the TAS-BoB Beta Testers:
Many of you have approached me about participating in the development of
other
sims, some have already dropped out
voluntarily to do so. I feel it is appropriate therefore to come to some
resolution of everyone's participation in TAS-BoB.
Because we do not have a beta to present to you, it is unfair to hold
the NDA
over you. We therefore release ALL
TAS beta testers from ANY restrictions listed in their Non-Disclosure
Agreements with Pro-Line.
Sorry Nim.
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when the board was down earier I thought that Vosses intelectual property "cooperative ventures" squad had shut down HTC for copying TAS.
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Originally posted by Pongo
when the board was down earier I thought that Vosses intelectual property "cooperative ventures" squad had shut down HTC for copying TAS.
nah... that was just the FBI downloading the server hard drive for the BBS files.
:eek:
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Originally posted by beet1e
Funked!!! LOL! You beat me to it. :D
Faked pics and all ROFL.
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Originally posted by Voss
I doubt you know jackshit about programming, modeling, or art of any kind, but please feel free to share with us any games you've produced and tell us precisely what it was you did in that production. Perhaps I'm out of the loop here, but I've never heard anyone talk about your great games.
OOOOHHHH...Can I play?
Best you run along now girly man, seems your past has caught up with you yet again.
Kisses,
-Smut
P.S. Any time you wanna play "I know more about game development than you do", bring it on!
LOL!
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Originally posted by Urchin
This link http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm (http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/ww2GrayEagleHangar.htm ) is friggin AMAZING.
I clicked on the roster part, and there are a whole bunch of WW2 pilots with their stories. That is one awesome link, thanks for diggin it up. It is going in my favorites.
That place, and how and why it came about, is an amazing story. The man that set it up is amazing also.
Tex
ex 13th TAS from the era in question
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Originally posted by Voss
Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
now THAT is diddlying funny.
see if you can find a NDA that *I* signed.
Tex
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Originally posted by Voss
Certain elements of T.A.S. and intellectual creations discussed within the T.A.S. B.B.S. have found themselves into games such as Aces High. This demonstates a clear breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, and I see three people responsible in this thread.
Oh
My
Gawd!
:eek:
You haven't changed a bit Voss. Why someone would actually want to become the Derek Smart of the the flight sim world is beyond me...but clearly, that is your goal.
And always has been.
-Smut
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Originally posted by =Jagr=
How much of a disgracee can one person make himself? I suppose we'll just have to keep watching you to find out.. But,, ANY time you EVER try to solicit money from other people for another "Game Scam" this thread will reappear there to make sure the new potential victims will know the real story of "voss".. Its not going to go away.. because as everyone reading this thread can see.. you won't give up on it and admit what you did.. there always a million excuses why you ARE NOT responsible..its always someone elses fault..
Dead balls on man, dead balls on.
=Jagr=, good to see you again. Only good thing this turd Voss has done is brought some of us old timers that were THERE and saw this crap FIRSTHAND out of the woodwork.
Hate to see this fraud start up again with a younger bunch.
-Smut
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Originally posted by Yeager
I could care less about voss or tas and I care even less about you. Your not even an entity in the game. No way to own your sorry ass. Im tired of people who dont even play the game popping in here and stinking the place up with the same old excreted puke.
You should though. You belong to the squad the "game" was named after. (expecting to hear denials on this one, I'll laugh)
Tex
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5883
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Ok..
ok..
Somewhere up in this thread that never ends, someones eatin cheezeballs..
YOU WANNA THROW SOME THIS WAY ?????
Don't be cribbin them ALL for your OWN foodhole..
Ozark, myself and the other fellas provided the chairs for cripes sakes..
And your fingers are orange now anyway..
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Hiya Smut...!!
I often wondered what it would take to gather together all the old crowd back into the same forum... I never realized all we needed was a nice warm camp fire for everyone to gather around like the old days .. Could someone please throw the next worthless lying scumbag on the fire, I'm starting to get a chill :)
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Don't look at me?! :eek:
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Oh Jesus.. now the neighborhoods really gone :)
Hiya Drex :)
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Sounds like we need an old farts night in the MA.
How about sometime this or next weekend, all of us crusty old timers meet in the MA, switch to the country with the least number of players as of 6pm eastern time, and whoop up on the noobs?
I bet a dozen of us can create more havoc than a con mission :D I can just see the whining on ch 1 now...
"Did HT give his old friends uber planes? Cancel my account NOW!"
:p
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I think I'd have to get an account just for that... :)
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Quick someone mail htrk and deft.:D
Frodo
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I dont know if I am an old fart, but I do fart alot. :)
Hey Drex, ya better get a handle on Eagl, he's all wound up. heheheh ;)
dago
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Voss the jurys finally came in.Your a lieing scumbag that sucks bellybutton and need to be scorpian bit...wait ya been there..Ya need to be shot by Iraquis....oops...that too....suffer a brain tumor...which Ive had and YOU assmunch discrace those....oh ya did that.......stuffed in an F16...youve been there...just put the whole shotgun in front of your head.I work for an AMVETS club as a chef and they all agree.You need to take your own life.Any scumbag poseing as a vet with your roadkill credentials needs to wake up and smell some anthrax.People like you are the lowest form of life and THANK GOD for poeple like greywolf for informing us all.HT PLEASE erase this scumbag forever and do REAL vets a favor.They didnt fight so SCROTES like voss could besmirch there names and deeds.Kill this bastards account and do us all a favor..Voss.Take your life
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Aw hell.Poseing is worse than that
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For anyone has ever read Douglas Adams' 'Resturant at the End of the Universe':
Do you remember the part where Zaphod goes into the machine which makes people insane by showing them how small they are compared to the entire universe? The kicker is that in Zaphod's head, he is the center of the Universe.
You don't have to have a high school diploma to figure out what I'm saying. ;) My my there are a lot of old names I've heard in closed off con groups and old message boards.
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Wow and I thought Elfenwolf was the king of trolls . Elfenwolf has nothing on this Voss guy .
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Originally posted by Samm
Wow and I thought Elfenwolf was the king of trolls . Elfenwolf has nothing on this Voss guy .
Elfenwolf is trolling, seems Voss is scamming. Seems he has no ethics or morals. It would be a good thing for Voss to either:
1) Apologize and agree that what he did was wrong.
--- or---
2) Defend himself with facts and intelligence.
Elfenwolf and Voss are absolute opposites from my take on things. Elfenwolf is intellegent and funny. Voss is plain a sad excuse of a human being (if what is being said is true about him.).
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How do you know Voss isn't trolling ?
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Originally posted by Urchin
He's a much better artist than me, thats for sure. I'll try to attach a 'sample' of my 'work' to show you what I mean.
Here is a Fw190 attacking a B-17 from the rear. You'll just have to take my word for it.
The FW190 is overmodelled. There's supposed to be only 2 cannons in the wings and you omitted the cowl guns.
There. Now I'm in a locked thread, too!
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Does this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=598249) look like a screenshot from a game produced back in 1996?
Games today are just now getting there.......
-SW
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Originally posted by Samm
How do you know Voss isn't trolling ?
The mere fact that there are quite a few others that have brought up facts and incidents to counter Voss' statements is what makes this definitely not a troll, IMHO.
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This thread needs more STFU in it.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Sikboy
This thread needs more STFU in it.
-Sikboy
STFU! :mad:
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Originally posted by Samm
How do you know Voss isn't trolling ?
OMG! This could be the Troll to end all Trolls! A 6 year troll! I'm sorry Elfie, but this beats the bungee jump by a mile!
Virtual
Online
Sim
Superstar
:D
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Originally posted by gofaster
STFU! :mad:
That's the spirit!
-Sikboy
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Hi again! :D
You guys goldbricks are starting to drag you butts. :mad:
At least Sik and gofaster are showig the proper spirit. :)
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I've managed to be the last post in a locked thread or two, here goes.
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Troll? Let's see:
Owns a real P-51 and Fokker Dr1. Multiple Degrees. Flew in Desert Storm in an F-16 and has two Iraqi kills to his credit. Was in the CIA. Got stung by a scorpion. Terminally ill with a brain tumor.
Had Voss aka Paul Hinds made these claims here in this thread, I'd say, "Yup, troll."
Others have come here to make statements that Hinds made the above statements (might have been more) all in relation to his trying to solicit funds for his 'project'.
Hind's silly "I'm going to sue you!" response is lending credibility to his accusers. Also the Pic of a model F-16 in response was silly.
A side note: Paul Hinds has made a statement (late last year) to me that he is actually related to Werner Voss. After reading the rest about him so far, I rather doubt it.
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here's a clue... if you cop to being insane then you don't have to cop to being a liar.
lazs
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Hi again! :D
You guys goldbricks are starting to drag you butts. :mad:
At least Sik and gofaster are showig the proper spirit. :)
STFU Yrawn :mad:
-Sikboy
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Being a compulsive liar doesn't make you insane, doesn't make you mentally healthy either.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
snip.....
A side note: Paul Hinds has made a statement (late last year) to me that he is actually related to Werner Voss. After reading the rest about him so far, I rather doubt it.
Didn't see that, but I did see a claim that he was related to Audy Murphy.
Oh yea.
STFU Sikboy!
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Originally posted by Vipermann
Voss your real name wouldn't be Derek Smart would it?
:eek:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/9632/
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Originally posted by AKIron
Being a compulsive liar doesn't make you insane, doesn't make you mentally healthy either.
I got your mentally healthy right here.
STFU! :mad:
PS: Targut, Sik, go, kindly STFU! :mad:
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Originally posted by SaburoS
A side note: Paul Hinds has made a statement (late last year) to me that he is actually related to Werner Voss. After reading the rest about him so far, I rather doubt it.
was this right after you told him you were related to Saburo Sakai....
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Originally posted by eagl
Sounds like we need an old farts night in the MA.
How about sometime this or next weekend, all of us crusty old timers meet in the MA, switch to the country with the least number of players as of 6pm eastern time, and whoop up on the noobs?
I bet a dozen of us can create more havoc than a con mission :D I can just see the whining on ch 1 now...
"Did HT give his old friends uber planes? Cancel my account NOW!"
:p
ohh ohh! Tell me which night if you do this. Garn is online now too, though not sure if he was a two-weeker or not...where the hell has =AC= been hiding, me old CO?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I got your mentally healthy right here.
STFU! :mad:
PS: Targut, Sik, go, kindly STFU! :mad:
What gave you the impression I was referring to you? Since the thread has largely been about Voss lying I figured the target would be self evident. Oh well, if the shoe fits.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AKIron
What gave you the impression I was referring to you? Since the thread has largely been about Voss lying I figured the target would be self evident. Oh well, if the shoe fits.:rolleyes:
I'm sorry Iron, I was only joking. I was just indulging in the absurdity that is this thread.
I'll "STFU! :mad: ", now.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I'm sorry Iron, I was only joking. I was just indulging in the absurdity that is this thread.
I'll "STFU! :mad: ", now.
STFU! :mad:
Oh, wait. You just did. Well, ok then! ;)
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Originally posted by gofaster
STFU! :mad:
Oh, wait. You just did. Well, ok then! ;)
"..." :(
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Ah, sometimes I'm a bit slow.
STFU ;)
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:D
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Old Farts night - Saturday 21 Sept, festivities start 6pm eastern time. Country to be determined at 6pm Eastern. End time is whenever we either get tired or head to the test arena so we can throw a little free-for-all.
OBJECTIVE: Have fun, kill people (virtually of course, don't wanna get sued for threatening certain people)
METHODS: Aircraft preferred, supporting ships and vehicles accepted in the spirit with which the participation is intended.
TACTICS: Gaggle around and meet head-on all who oppose us. If anyone is ambitious enough to set up mission profiles or wants to fly the same plane as everyone else to make us stand apart, that is strongly encouraged. I plan on flying whatever Drex flies, and I'll suggest we fly the FM2 since I recently heard it should be perked :eek:
WHO's INVITED: If you consider yourself an "old fart" entitled to hang out with guys like Drex and Jagr simply because you remember way back when they sucked (Drex still sucks btw), you're invited. Any/all members of the Rogue Gryffons, Black Sheep, Dweebs of Death, Flying Pigs, those irritating JG guys from WB, or anyone who ever participated in a BYACAW (BarnYard Animals Composite Air Wing) event are invited by definition. Old-school iENT, HTC, and Cornered Rat current or past employees are also invited.
Anyone else who wants to fly with us is also invited :D
OPPONENTS: Anyone brave enough to stand (or whine) against us.
Tactical channel will be determined later (because I don't remember enough about global and country channels), but 133 will be the initial coordination channel.
ROE: Taunts MUST be good natured and not excessive or we may find ourselves without quality opponents. Spying via second accounts or allies in other countries is discouraged except when used for the express purpose of finding where the most opponents are so we can fight them. Base capture is allowable especially when it will reduce the flight time from ones home field to the fight, however the goal is quality air combat, not capturing territory.
The phrase "If you're not cheating you're not trying" is applicable within the guidelines set by HTC and the spirit of the event. Use your best judgement.
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"That's 3 days away. I'll be there."
A little .wav file for you 'Eagl'/'Jules'.:cool:
(warning: profanity contained in .wav file)
(sorry had to .zip .wav file to make it accepted file type)
Mike/wulfie
LPO, Committee for Moral Abuses, JG 14 'The Jagermeisters'
p.s. I think =drex= is going to push lots of green reefer on us. Remember - "Just say no".
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Who's the freak that gave this thread a 5 star rating?
eskimo
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(tough to find a spare gauntlet these days too)
Just for not mentioning the REAL oldtimers from AW..... you all will die inglorious flaming deaths!
OK, maybe not at my hands, but horrible flaming bad nasty unherioc deaths nontheless!!!
MUahahahahahahahaah!
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Is WB's 2.76 considered old timer? I dunno, there are a bunch of folks here with gobs more sim time than that. I see references to CK often:)
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Originally posted by texter
You should though. You belong to the squad the "game" was named after. (expecting to hear denials on this one, I'll laugh)
Tex
968
5883
Texter,
We are not responding to it even though a couple of us in the 13th TAS were there at the time. Why? Because Voss is not a member of the 13th TAS and his problems are his problems, not ours. We don't own them and want nothing to do with them.
nuff said.
BTW texter, drop me a line!
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If you even have to ask the question, you're probably an old fart :)
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4 threads in 1!
Topics include:
egos
Voss
old farts
STFU!
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Originally posted by Urchin
GrayEagle, your artwork is amazing. I think I read you live in Virginia. What part of Virginia? I'll but you a drink if you don't mind a short drive (I live near Annapolis, Md).
Urchin! Practically a neighbor... I live in Pasadena... !
Lonz
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Originally posted by AKIron
Ah, sometimes I'm a bit slow.
STFU ;)
lol Iron got hit by STFU friendly fire
-Sikboy
STFU TahGut
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Aww, come on Eagl, ya didnt include the valiant fighting forces known as the **MOL**! Old Farts should definitly include the MOL, after all, we were almost exclusively responsible for the devastating and complete slaughter of the Flying Pigs, the BK's, the Wildcards, etc in WB. :)
Alot of us are pre 1.0 in WB, so count me in. :)
dago
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I think a thread of this calibre is worth at least 250 posts...
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Oh yea Dago, MOL are definately IN, despite never having actually defeated the squealing Pigs at anything important. Unless the MOL was responsible for that disastrous WB version that caused our entire squadron except Worr to switch to either AH or Evercrack...
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Who's the freak that gave this thread a 5 star rating?
Wasnt Voss
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Also I know wulfie personaly as a squadie.he used to wine to Vatti how that "sob in a 109 that nobody knew was mopping up the arena and killed me again." Wish I could fly like that again.Now Im mid pack fodder cause I fly all balls no brains.People like SHANE are killin me and a few others while we jump him.Makes me feel like a virgin FR aw dweeb feeling his oats getting dry humped cause he thought he was "all that" in rr.Shane gets my vote for biggest ego and voss gets biggest amazinhunk that hasnt eaten a shotgun load.Other than that......Im speachless.Shane rates cause he kills me.Not cause he talks smack.Rassum frassum.Ya know Shane.One of these days Im gonna get fed up with this and call your bellybutton out into the DA so you can kick my bellybutton properly withOUT witnesses. Voss sucks.Did I mention Voss is a bunghole? VOSS LEAVE BISH TERRITORY>WE DONT WANT YA
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I think Voss may actually go so far as to finally change his name this time (it's amazing that he did'nt do so before coming to AH).
Someone should post a profile of Voss so that he can easily be reccognized when he shows back up. (Plane type choices, playing times, most likely activities, etc.)
eskimo
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puke
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Originally posted by Amboss
Hm, I think I am having a flashback here. Too bad I don't have access to my old mail and I am not even sure I still have this old stuff anywhere but I remember playing AW (handle was prolly G00SE something, and I think I was in a squad called Shillelagh)
Wow, Hola Goose, been a long time man.
-Sikboy
(2214)
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well of course voss would choose to fly with those who fly under the dildo icon.
lazs
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Originally posted by Voss
I already answered every point in this thread more than a year ago. For those of you unwilling to except those answers, you can go diddly yourselves. For the remainder, that must endure this annual roast, I apologize.
Here again is my F16. Note that it is an R/C job, and quite pretty. Pity the P51 and Fokker Dr. 1 didn't survive the years of use.
Bah..That jet is a POS compared to my F4U.
:D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
(tough to find a spare gauntlet these days too)
Just for not mentioning the REAL oldtimers from AW..... you all will die inglorious flaming deaths!
OK, maybe not at my hands, but horrible flaming bad nasty unherioc deaths nontheless!!!
MUahahahahahahahaah!
Wow, after rhetoric like that, I'm glad I ditched my AW CPID and can pass myself off as a rookie! :D
And for those who know my previous AW history, here's a pre-emptive STFU! ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Texter,
We are not responding to it even though a couple of us in the 13th TAS were there at the time. Why? Because Voss is not a member of the 13th TAS and his problems are his problems, not ours. We don't own them and want nothing to do with them.
Which opens a new can of worms. Seems to me he was a member until very recently. Did you guys wise up and kick him out ?
OH yea......howdy you alledged old farts.
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Originally posted by =Jagr=
This is a cut and paste from alt.games a while back..
The "Robey" character is a real USAF veteran BTW...
So Paul Hinds said he was a B-2 pilot and 'astronut?'
The following is an extract from private email he sent me in response to
questions raised about his background.
[My questions...]
> Also, I gathered from a post of yours [Mike Hobuss] awhile back (2 months) that you
> were assigned to USAFA and Paul was there as an "inmate" to use your
> term. Well I can't find anybody named Paul Hinds nor Paul Hines that
> ever graduated from USAFA. Most curious...my data only covers up until
> the class of 1994. Of course if he graduated in 1995...went to UPT and
> F-16 RTU (as he told me in email that he flew F-16s) that would put him
> in a line cockpit around December of 1996. Obiviously he was not on
> active duty six months ago.
[Hinds' Response]
Not that it's anyone's business; I was a zoo animal in '77-'79 before I
transferred out to MIT under cooperative education with
"Lockheed-Martin"
and later "AeroDyne Industries." At Lockheed-Martin I tested several
aircraft that were testbeds for technologies implemented in later types.
I
did a lot of company work, too. In '83 the Air Force decided it was time
to
launch my true career, which is not a subject for discussion.
************************************
Stop for a moment...he started at the USAFA in 1977, and would graduate
in 1981. And he managed to conduct flight tests sometime between 1981
and 1983? Okay, UPT (AF pilot training) takes 12 months, and guys finish
with approximately 200 hours in jets. Sooooo, here we have a guy with
200 hours in jets conducting industry flight tests between 1982 and
1983. Sure I believe him.
Back to our story
> So can you tell me when you were stationed at the Zoo? I'm finding it
> very difficult to defend him when I can't find any F-16 bud (active
> duty, ANG, AFRes, or former like myself) that has heard of Paul. And
> three different zoomies have looked through the AOG (Association of
> Graduates) resources...nada. The last Hinds to graduate was/is a guy
> named John back in 1984 that became a navigator.
There is a Bruce, from my family, that graduated in the early 70's (not
sure of the date). He was chief test pilot on the B-2 project.
********************************************
Anybody got something they want to share?
Robey...Spanish Inquisitor
There was no such company as Lockheed-Martin for this person to work for between 1979 and 1983. Lockheed and Martin Marietta didn't merge until '94/'95
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Unless you actually lost any money or wasted any time or were inconvenienced in any way, then what is the point of continuing a 6/7 year old vendetta ?
Of course you could just be malicious ?
wipass
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Wipass, if someone who ran his life into the gutter, didn't have any money, begged for it, and only used whatever money they got to get boozed up...
started telling you how to live your life and everyone around you, would you remind them of how toejamty there's was and inform the other people, or would you just ignore it and walk off?
Malicious or not, Voss has a holier than thou attitude when he has no justifiable way to act like that.
-SW
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Originally posted by gofaster
Wow, after rhetoric like that, I'm glad I ditched my AW CPID and can pass myself off as a rookie! :D
And for those who know my previous AW history, here's a pre-emptive STFU! ;)
STFU backatcha.
I propose an AW "realoldtimer" response to these upstart pantywaist poopyheads. All you guys who remember why Bigweek is called Bigweek! All you guys who know what a Genie has to do with flight sims. All you guys who had a home computer with the brand name "Atari"! I say lets show them how to die like dweebs!!!!!!!!
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If HTC changed the name of "AcesHigh" to "AirWarrior" would you people STFU already?
TYVM :D
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Originally posted by wipass
Unless you actually lost any money or wasted any time or were inconvenienced in any way, then what is the point of continuing a 6/7 year old vendetta ?
Of course you could just be malicious ?
wipass
The point? So no one else in the flight sim community gets taken by a crook.
Ack-Ack
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I would like to invest a lot of money in a flight simm. Am I at the right place? I hear a voss hinds would like some of my money. How can I get it to him? I would really like to send him lots of money.
Thank you.
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Originally posted by wipass
Unless you actually lost any money or wasted any time or were inconvenienced in any way, then what is the point of continuing a 6/7 year old vendetta ?
Of course you could just be malicious ?
wipass
it might just be really funny...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
.... All you guys who remember why Bigweek is called Bigweek! ....
I remember when Bigweek was in beta. I seem to recall flying a 109, but I don't remember much more than that so I must've been killed early on.
Pancake ^Skull^
CPID: Cakes
Wait, did I just write that out loud? Doh!
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Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard
Which opens a new can of worms. Seems to me he was a member until very recently. Did you guys wise up and kick him out ?
OH yea......howdy you alledged old farts.
Heyas Buzzard!
Sorry to disappoint you, but what I tend to do with our squad is the squads business...we've always done business that way.:)
Many know us here as well as some old turds like yourself from back in the day....was never aware we had a can of worms to be opened, much less anything to do with the TAS drama other than an unfortunate sharing of the namesake.
Did I misunderstand your post?
Btw....how ya been Tex...been a long time:)
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Originally posted by Rude
Heyas Buzzard!
Sorry to disappoint you, but what I tend to do with our squad is the squads business...we've always done business that way.:)
Many know us here as well as some old turds like yourself from back in the day....was never aware we had a can of worms to be opened, much less anything to do with the TAS drama other than an unfortunate sharing of the namesake.
Did I misunderstand your post?
Btw....how ya been Tex...been a long time:)
Nah Rude, yer never a disappointment to me. Y'all wanta keep it under yer hat that's yer call. Was just curious.
See ya up.
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Originally posted by Pongo
was this right after you told him you were related to Saburo Sakai....
LOL Pongo!
Actually, I used to fly AW3 as W.Vss or WVoss as I loved the WWI flying. After reading about the various WWI aces I liked Werner Voss the best (His flying the Fokker F.1 103/17 against multiple (6-9 depending on source) enemies on his last fight was heroic. I've been somewhat of a 'fan' of W.Voss. I thought it was neat to see another Voss 'fan' here at AH. That's where Voss aka Paul Hinds said to me he was a decendent of Werner Voss through one of W. Voss' relatives. I emailed him a link to blindKats' site on Werner Voss (has very good info on him and his plane.). Hinds emailed me back and thanked me for the info as he said he didn't know this info existed.
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Unless the MOL was responsible for that disastrous WB version that caused our entire squadron except Worr to switch to either AH or Evercrack...
Oh if only MOL could take the credit for exiling the rif-raf outta the game, we proudly would do so, but alas, the credit must be given where due, and for that one notable accomplishment I must point to Wild Bill and his band of merry men. :D
dago
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Rgr that Buzzard....
Just curious...you ever look back on those days and miss them? This thread has brought me to that point.:)
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"That's where Voss aka Paul Hinds said to me he was a decendent of Werner Voss through one of W. Voss' relatives. "
well if you think about it..it makes sence. The CIA would keep track of who was related to the great air fighters of history and recruit thier elite F16 squadrons from amongst those with the right genes and enough doctorates to be able to handle the configuation of the trans warp capacitors.
Personaly.. I think thats why Sadam caved in on the weapon inspector thing a few days ago. The CIA let it slip that they would be sending Paul"Voss" Hinds and Paul"Ironman" Hinds in again..
The Iraqis knew they didnt want to mess with combined operations again...
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(http://amg.sytes.net/smilies07/701eb214965c6f8e7e0fb98f3905fb36.php)
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From the AH boards
I once talked to a Sgt. Murphy (not Audie; Audie is a relative of mine on the Killion side I just learned tonight ). Sgt. Murphy flew gliders in WWII. He weighed no more then 100 lbs. at his heaviest point. The U.S. chose featherweight pilots so they could carry more payload. I find that interesting.
[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Voss ]
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Good grief... I'm surprised he didn't own a fully functional B17 too.
Oops... sorry, I forgot that one was already being used around that time. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DrDea
Who's the freak that gave this thread a 5 star rating?
Wasnt Voss
Who's the freak that ruint my 5 star rating is what *I* wanna know. ;p
Tex
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Rude, Mav, 13th TAS folks,
Hiya!
I've been doing fine. Don't fly much anymore, anywhere, alas. EQ sort of sucked me in and won't quite spit me out. I still keep an account with HTC (when I remember to update my CC and email info) because I'll always recall the glory days (mine - see BB's post on the subject) and want my measly bucks (any GEnie vets know 15$ or so is measly, right Ice..er Rude? hehe) to help keep the sport around for new folks to discover and learn to love.
I hate UBB though, it sucks purple monkey ballz. So I hang out on the wall at Bigweek, being a lifelong climber monkey I guess. One of these days maybe I can kick one of those wrinkled penthouse monkeys butts hard enough to get new digs. Then again, probably not. :)
This is what we wanted AW to be and those igtards that can't stand the AW references might as well deal with it. Or not. :) It's their game too.
Tex
formerly 13th TAS
968,5883
now of the Onorable Order of the Ovine
Cazic-Thule
damn sheep, can't escape them, mbaaaa!
oh yeh, new email is mmcwilliams@houston.rr.com
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Originally posted by Yeager
If HTC changed the name of "AcesHigh" to "AirWarrior" would you people STFU already?
TYVM :D
No need. :p
Tex
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Originally posted by hblair
I would like to take this oppurtunity
OK I misspell....or is it mispel....Incoming and get taken to the wood shed. But let a nice guy and a good stick misspell...or is it mispell Opportunity...or is it opertunity and nada nuttin zero zilch.
P.S. Your apologys...or is it apologies...will only be accepted in a new thread...this one is giving me heartburn.
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Feel free to stop by Bigweek NG if you get the urge. This got reposted over there to rave reviews:)
DD
Originally posted by eng3firemn
I have been casually following
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That ain't "Old Farts" thats whipersnappers night
DD
Originally posted by eagl
WHO's INVITED: If you consider yourself an "old fart" entitled to hang out with guys like Drex and Jagr simply because you remember way back when they sucked (Drex still sucks btw), you're invited. Any/all members of the Rogue Gryffons, Black Sheep, Dweebs of Death, Flying Pigs, those irritating JG guys from WB, or anyone who ever participated in a BYACAW (BarnYard Animals Composite Air Wing) event are invited by definition. Old-school iENT, HTC, and Cornered Rat current or past employees are also invited.
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"Bigweek NG" <----How do I get there?
I wanna see what they have to say about this.
-SW
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I wonder if any of the current 13TAS remeber me and Wolfman from AW. Ahhh the old days of nuking the B1 radar and watching the whole squad log off. Or Doom foaming at the mouth and sending his minions climbing up after our B17 while Woofer read em the "law" on channel 1.
"No 13 TAS allowed over 30K"
I think Wolfman had one 25 kill flight as a gunner
DD
DeadDuck of the Gunfighters
Genie 2050
Cris 3888
Originally posted by midnight Target
I propose an AW "realoldtimer" response to these upstart pantywaist poopyheads.
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"Bigweek NG" <----How do I get there?
Wolfe, point a newsreader to news.kraits.org
Then subscribe to the NG bigweek.general
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
"Bigweek NG" <----How do I get there?
I wanna see what they have to say about this.
-SW
nothing that hasn't been covered in much more detail than in here.
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Is there ANY way to get this POS UBB board to at least THREAD toejam?
DD
Originally posted by Shane
nothing that hasn't been covered in much more detail than in here.
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Originally posted by Rotorian
"Bigweek NG" <----How do I get there?
Wolfe, point a newsreader to news.kraits.org
Then subscribe to the NG bigweek.general
Looks like DD's going to get some new chew toys :D
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
3d Artist for Falcon 5 .. presently G2 interactive is havin funding problems ..I really don't know if anything I have done here will see the light of day. It's some of the best I have done yet tho.
This is the best thing I have read for ages, I didn't realise any actual development had started. I just read on frugals world that the financial problems have been sorted out ... is Falcon 5 development under way again?
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Is there ANY way to get this POS UBB board to at least THREAD toejam?
HEY YA DAMN DUCK what ya think this here board is? A NNTP server?
BAH!
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Originally posted by Rude
Rgr that Buzzard....
Just curious...you ever look back on those days and miss them? This thread has brought me to that point.:)
All the time my friend, all the time. I wouldn't even mind the $400 Amex bills again.
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As long as they don't start humping my leg or anklebiting I promise to behave.
DD
Originally posted by akak
Looks like DD's going to get some new chew toys :D
Ack-Ack
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Ditto. Hell these days I can afford it and its gone:(
DD
Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard
All the time my friend, all the time. I wouldn't even mind the $400 Amex bills again.
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Originally posted by DeadDuck
Ditto. Hell these days I can afford it and its gone:(
DD
hell, send me $400/mo and i'll gladly change my squad name to "In Memoriam of DeadDuck"
:)
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Two Hundred and Ninety-Five!
I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank all of you and most of all Mr. Paul "Voss" Hinds for giving me something entertaining to read while I re-dnloaded AH on my slow-assed 56k modem.
Carry on!
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So close to 300 now that we can almost smell it..
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I just want to know who the heck Derek Smart is??????????
p.s. Urchin, what would you say to forming a joint venture art firm? I have some great works that I've done myself!
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Originally posted by Rotorian
"Bigweek NG" <----How do I get there?
Wolfe, point a newsreader to news.kraits.org
Then subscribe to the NG bigweek.general
those servers aren't accessable from earthlink it seems
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Ahhhhhh.......Derek Smart....the ultimate online retard. http://www.3000ad.com/home.shtml
*edit*...he did have something resembling a game however. I think this quote says it all though :D Almost 10 years in the making with millions of dollars spent on research and development of advanced technologies, Battlecruiser 3000AD is the only space flight sim that gives you everything you expect in the genre and more.
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well here's #300 and it's only appropos it's coming from me, since i'm the only one who could do it.
:D
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Originally posted by gofaster
I remember when Bigweek was in beta. I seem to recall flying a 109, but I don't remember much more than that so I must've been killed early on.
Pancake ^Skull^
CPID: Cakes
Wait, did I just write that out loud? Doh!
Looks like squad command makes one's brain soft, which is why I avoided it. Look, my head is harder than anyone's!
I remember Bigweek. I was in a 109, and orbiting at high altitude over Leipzig, I think, when I got dumped. I think there was mass dumpage at that point.
I still had fun.
The pilot formerly known as Runny ^Skull^
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Originally posted by gofaster
STFU! :mad:
STFU, brownnoser! :mad: :mad:
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Great thread. Most entertaining on a quiet day at work. Never knew there was so much dirt behind the scenes of the flightsim community.
One can only imagine what goes on behind the scenes at the CIA.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Originally posted by Shane
well here's #300 and it's only appropos it's coming from me, since i'm the only one who could do it.
:D
want to see if we can get keep this thread going and crash the server?
ack-ack
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Still waiting for Voss to appear in Bigweek NG. No guts no glory they say.
(http://www.damned.org/images/ddemo1.gif)
ATC
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Originally posted by akak
want to see if we can get keep this thread going and crash the server?
ack-ack
maybe we can get arlub going on a haiku spree. if anything can do it, that can.
:D
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Originally posted by Gixer
One can only imagine what goes on behind the scenes at the CIA.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
Voss probably could tell you................
DD
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Originally posted by ATC
Still waiting for Voss to appear in Bigweek NG. No guts no glory they say.
ATC
Ohh I am waiting for that too......
DD
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Originally posted by runny
I remember Bigweek. I was in a 109, and orbiting at high altitude over Leipzig, I think, when I got dumped. I think there was mass dumpage at that point.
Yes, that sounds vaguely familiar to me, too. Its a good thing you didn't take command of the squadron. Otherwise, we'd both have soft brains incapable of such long ago memories! :p
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Originally posted by Shane
maybe we can get arlub going on a haiku spree. if anything can do it, that can.
:D
Better here than there.......
DD
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Originally posted by runny
STFU, brownnoser! :mad: :mad:
Oh, yeah? Well STFU to you! With 3 angry faces! :mad: :mad: :mad:
By the way, here's my artistic interpretation of the two fans attacking the first base coach yesterday, with spectators.
:mad: :mad:
:eek:
__<>_____________________________ _____l^l :confused:
:confused:
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Random haikus:
dumbly muttering
rainmakers disappoint, girls
returning, moving
strongly starlit sharp
implacable fire captures
lustily, lamely
contagious woman
deflowers grotesquely, dark
insipid onion
Ok, that's enough for now....
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(http://www.plauder-smilies.de/rough/twak.gif)
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Originally posted by gofaster
By the way, here's my artistic interpretation of the two fans attacking the first base coach yesterday, with spectators.
:mad: :mad:
:eek:
__<>_____________________________ _____l^l :confused:
:confused:
[/B]
OMG that's funny.
-Sikboy
But STFU anyway. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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I have to say that the first couple hundred posts of this thread were very interesting. Seems to have deteriorated a bit though.
Sour
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those servers aren't accessable from earthlink it seems
I am not sure why that would be since even AOHellers can access the server .
What news reader are you using? That will be an easy way to point you to the yellow brick road.
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I haven't laughed so hard in a long time...
I was there. I was an NDA-bound "beta tester", had access to the BBS, and was pretty much on top of the whole scenario.
Does this look like a screenshot from a game produced back in 1996?
Yes, that is one of the first screenshots delivered. There was another of a 109. That is about all that anyone ever saw, though.
On the issue of money, I received an e-mail soliciting support for a WWII bomber (B17?) that was being restored shortly after I returned my NDA... can't recall the source of the e-mail, but I can definitely say it came at the time of the NDA. I thought it was fishy, and didn't send a penny.
On the issue of defending Voss, I trusted too long. I tend to be that way, and give the benefit of the doubt more often than I should. Good thing I live in a small town, I guess.
I'd thought Voss had turned over a new leaf. After the "Someone violated their NDA, because AH has elements of TAS in it" statement I see it is not true. Sure, everyone has a second chance in them. Based on that statement, however, Voss is going to squander his.
To hijack the thread once again, Eskimo and Lazs, you've absolutely given me stitches!
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Yea its kinda one thing to screw people.Its another to deny it.We all screw up.The Men among us admit it.To have a Bish scrote like this among us with no idea of apology disturbs me.I wish he would just admit he fugged up.Aparently thats to much like the truth.
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my god. i read the whole thing. guess i really do need a life.
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Last time I checked this was a forum to discuss Aces High. Let's get it back on track.