Yes map makers can help by not using those terrain tiles any where gv's can be used. That is what I have started doing on my maps. If I use those 2 tile sets I try to make sure they are miles and miles away form any base or strat. However that does not fix the maps that currently use the tiles in question.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: The Fugitive on February 25, 2023, 07:35:45 AM
Yes map makers can help by not using those terrain tiles any where gv's can be used. That is what I have started doing on my maps. If I use those 2 tile sets I try to make sure they are miles and miles away form any base or strat. However that does not fix the maps that currently use the tiles in question.
So i guess that would mean that if the building was repaired, or that tile removed it would mean that every map would have to be compiled again and then downloaded again for every person that plays the game. Sounds like a huge P.I.T.A. Might be easier to just avoid the area that these 3 story buildings are and let those few A holes sit alone playing with themselves.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Luft on April 09, 2023, 11:28:12 AM
:old: It is a fantastic map because of these "tiles". That's not the only spectacular feature of the map. I will get to that in a minute but first... If someone is in a GV in a three story building you can hit the building with HE and kill them or just drive in there and blow them to smithereens that way. What's the big deal?
Just because someone is in a building doesn't mean they are engaging anyone. It is an excellent and safe place to hide. And if they are engaging you can bet they are absolutely thrilled being covert. It isn't cheating if anyone can do it. It makes it a very fun map.
What really makes this map special is that there are at least 5 different ways to get to the top ridge in a GV. Two of the routes are by backing up all the way but there is also a fabulous bug on this map that lets you lock your front tracks into the cliffside and shimmy up to the top. The cliff has to be the exact angle or it won;t work. So far I have found 3 locations that you can do this at in the crater.
Once you get to the first level of the crater you can get to the top of the outer crater rim!!!!!! YOU CAN FIRE ON AND REACH CV'S PASSING THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS WITH A TANK FROM THERE!!!! I bet nobody but me has ever done that before.
IT'S A GAME!
Why would anyone want to change that? Where is the BOWLMA map by the way? I have not seen it in the current rotation.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 09, 2023, 12:14:17 PM
Whenever I gripe about jets I always hear the retort “well they were in wwii so deal with it”
Well guess what… wwii also had tanks hiding in buildings!
If you can’t ever kill them then that’s a problem that should be addressed. If it’s just a lot harder to kill them but still doable than that sounds like wwii to me.
I don’t spend the time in gvs that I used to but I would not complain about it. Hoagie for example certainly doesn’t view it as cheat. He is very vocal when he is about to do it if he is on your side.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 09, 2023, 12:29:43 PM
Difference between gamer and virtual pilot/tanker is probably what makes some prefer bugs instead of reality.
What comes to jets and other advanced machines, some kind of timeline in some melee maps might be interesting to try. To have contraptions available only from certain era.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 09, 2023, 12:39:07 PM
:old: It is a fantastic map because of these "tiles". That's not the only spectacular feature of the map. I will get to that in a minute but first... If someone is in a GV in a three story building you can hit the building with HE and kill them or just drive in there and blow them to smithereens that way. What's the big deal?
Just because someone is in a building doesn't mean they are engaging anyone. It is an excellent and safe place to hide. And if they are engaging you can bet they are absolutely thrilled being covert. It isn't cheating if anyone can do it. It makes it a very fun map.
What really makes this map special is that there are at least 5 different ways to get to the top ridge in a GV. Two of the routes are by backing up all the way but there is also a fabulous bug on this map that lets you lock your front tracks into the cliffside and shimmy up to the top. The cliff has to be the exact angle or it won;t work. So far I have found 3 locations that you can do this at in the crater.
Once you get to the first level of the crater you can get to the top of the outer crater rim!!!!!! YOU CAN FIRE ON AND REACH CV'S PASSING THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS WITH A TANK FROM THERE!!!! I bet nobody but me has ever done that before.
IT'S A GAME!
Why would anyone want to change that? Where is the BOWLMA map by the way? I have not seen it in the current rotation.
First off your statement on using HE to kill anyone in building is incorrect, it does not kill everyone, it might take out a jeep, M3 or an M18, but it doesn't always kill Wirbl's and I've never seen it kill a tank. You can bomb the building if you know which one it is, that works. You also can not "just drive in and kill them" most of the time it takes to long to get into the building.
Second, gaming the game is still cheating.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Luft on April 09, 2023, 07:51:06 PM
You can get a Wirble in the building too????? That's fantastic! I tried with a couple of other vehicles but could not get in.
You are right about the HE. I was there the day Kilroy's turret was sticking out of the building. That's when the cat got out of the bag. There must have been 10 people pounding the building with HE. It is definitely not a one shot kill with HE. It also is not fun being on the receiving end of someone shooting as you drive by. It's not fun always getting shot down in a plane either though. Someone has to be bait. If this is the only map that has that bug then it could be very entertaining and a real Melee like the WW1 New Years Eve fight. There are many maps and it doesn't come around often but with these new "bugs" it actually adds a lot of excitement to the game. Fly off the top ridge going full speed in a tank and hit the ground 2000 feet below and RTB to the pad. It is fun and it feels good.
It isn't too whimsical but I have been looking forward to it and check the rotation daily. I think it was already taken out.I hope not and am not certain about it yet.
I'm going to post a video of the lift. It's funny. I forgot to mention. A person can drive a tank full speed off the top of the cliff. That's like a 2000 foot drop or more. You hit and drive away....no damage. Excellent escape plan when under attack on the ridge. I shouldn't be giving away all these secrets but there is another with that map and it has to be intentional.
If you are at V51 or the north base (I think it's V51) if you launch a GV from the base and drive west along the wall eventually you will run into a 3 story house there. It is way out of place and shouldn't be there. Go to the back of the house and look up. You will see a green path of grass. That is a lock-in location for a T34 to scale the cliff.
Another location is behind V51 in the west corner. Look for the second dark dot on the mountainside and look up for the grass trail. That is a great lock-in point. Just be flush with the mountain and keep holding down W to lock in. Once you lock in you will hear a boom over and over and the whole GV will start shaking. Then simply hold down the D or A key while holding W and up you go on the Luft Lift. Do not let go of any buttons until you hit the second ledge. When hit the second ledge let go of everything and the GV will stop and slowly self climb over the top edge. If it isn't moving just spin the tank around in reverse and back up. Once you make it to the first ledge you can also back up all the way but it takes too long. Total time to the top is exactly 2 minutes (02:00). It's a heck of a lot of fun but watch out for Tankman and BTBrando. They like to take shots at you as you climb the hill.
I have made it to the top many times but can't stick the landing. It is the most vertical cliff of all that you can climb and it is about 3K straight up.
<S> Luft :bolt:
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Luft on April 09, 2023, 08:28:29 PM
Here it is....The LUFT LIFT to the HOAGI HIDEOUT. There, it's not a cheat. Anyone can do it....but not everyone can :-)
Luft :banana:
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 09, 2023, 08:41:55 PM
I have seen the lift on the TT vbases on Bowlma, Handsolo used it a lot. It is still in the rotation.
The building issue exist on 3 maps that I know of, Fjordma, Bowlma, and Craterma. Not sure if I used the tiles on ETOMA, but the 2 other maps I have up, I have tried to not use the offending tiles near any spawn or base. That makes this issue moot.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 09, 2023, 09:20:54 PM
I have seen the lift on the TT vbases on Bowlma, Handsolo used it a lot. It is still in the rotation.
The building issue exist on 3 maps that I know of, Fjordma, Bowlma, and Craterma. Not sure if I used the tiles on ETOMA, but the 2 other maps I have up, I have tried to not use the offending tiles near any spawn or base. That makes this issue moot.
Never heard the name Handsolo but wow that’s a good one!!
The building thing still doesn't feel like a bug to me. Also, perspective matters, lots of people think because they can’t possibly see an opponent, the opponent must not be able to see them. That’s a big bag of nope.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 10, 2023, 02:52:12 AM
Tanks were hiding in buildings in WW2, but not in unscathed ones. In real world, one needs minimum tank size hole in a building to get it in there and that size of a hole is visible.
These hacks or bugs, using them for own advantage, well... In real war everything possible is used, but this kind things do not exist there. I'm not going to use them, as I have a life in real world and I consider this kind of acts childish. Perhaps ego needs more boosting than is possible to get normal way? But as I wrote up there, difference between gamer and virtual pilot seems to go just there. I rather stick in reality in AH.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Hutikka on April 10, 2023, 09:37:02 AM
3 story building bug is easy to reproduce
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Luft on April 10, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
Thanks for the info Kenai!
I didn't think it would still be in the rotation after all the hoopla. That is good news. It is a fun break from the regular grind, at least for me.
What I would really like to see, and this is something you might be willing to help with so I'm putting it out there for everyone, is a new WW1 map. I know it is not a pay-to-play arena but if there were lots of bridges, tight canyons, and other obstacles to fly around it would be awesome! Only two sides also, no need for three. Because of the slow speed these kites fly at, you need a lot of trees and other features to evade. Most of the fighting is very low so the thought of a few bridges to fly under or some sharp dropping 500 ft cliffs would be great. The arena has a lot of potential but is not used much. Maybe due to the inability to capture fields. The place is usually hopping on Friday and Saturday nights. Lots of fun.
Thank you for the maps you and the others make! Outstanding work! <S> Luft
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: hotard on April 13, 2023, 02:35:51 PM
when the owner of the game won't even reply to a major bug.. you know what shape the game is in.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 13, 2023, 03:50:43 PM
no jest get TyFoo he has been shooting though walls with his t34,, got me twice with first shot direct hits, I parked in there to have coffee in an m18, in tank land. But hoestly I hide in them when i have to run an errand, and often comeback to find myself bombed out or surrounded lol
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: scott66 on March 04, 2024, 11:38:58 PM
no jest get TyFoo he has been shooting though walls with his t34,, got me twice with first shot direct hits, I parked in there to have coffee in an m18, in tank land. But hoestly I hide in them when i have to run an errand, and often comeback to find myself bombed out or surrounded lol
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: icepac on March 21, 2024, 04:11:11 PM
Lol…..you guys just scratching the surface.
Why name rudiments after yourself when someone beat you to it.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: Puma44 on March 28, 2024, 11:44:38 AM
Tanks were hiding in buildings in WW2, but not in unscathed ones. In real world, one needs minimum tank size hole in a building to get it in there and that size of a hole is visible.
These hacks or bugs, using them for own advantage, well... In real war everything possible is used, but this kind things do not exist there. I'm not going to use them, as I have a life in real world and I consider this kind of acts childish. Perhaps ego needs more boosting than is possible to get normal way? But as I wrote up there, difference between gamer and virtual pilot seems to go just there. I rather stick in reality in AH.
Good point about reality. When jaeger had Thursday Night Tank night going, he had a command to turn buildings into bombed out structures. That was a fun option and made it more “realistic”. Then there’s the fact that in WWII there was poor weather (fog, low cloud layers, etc) that would make AH more real world “realistic” making the “bomb****”, long range tank snipers, etc complaints less of an issue. Yeah, Hoagi uses the 3 story bug frequently. It’s quickly noticed and easy to avoid vs whining about it. Always entertaining when complaints about realism are generated.
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: 1stpar3 on March 29, 2024, 06:14:56 AM
Good point about reality. When jaeger had Thursday Night Tank night going, he had a command to turn buildings into bombed out structures. That was a fun option and made it more “realistic”. Then there’s the fact that in WWII there was poor weather (fog, low cloud layers, etc) that would make AH more real world “realistic” making the “bomb****”, long range tank snipers, etc complaints less of an issue. Yeah, Hoagi uses the 3 story bug frequently. It’s quickly noticed and easy to avoid vs whining about it. Always entertaining when complaints about realism are generated.
AGREED SIR! Nothing a little, ole Spit16 with 250lb bombs can't sort out :devil Buildings...meh! :rofl
Title: Re: 3 story building tank hiding?
Post by: GasTeddy on March 29, 2024, 04:59:47 PM