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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: R4M on August 21, 2001, 04:19:00 PM
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Since day one of the CT I've been here. Numbers have been higher or lower, but at this hour there always were 10-30 ppl in it.
well now for 2 days in a row, there is NOONE there. None, nada, nil, zero.
I see this forum with lots of messages of people that "it rocks, is great,is..".etc etc etc
But there is noone there.
I go into the MA and I find that one says that he is tired of fighting 25% fuel spitfires, other says that there is no strategy because no goons, other says that few ppl...
25% fuel spitfires are going point defence. Get over it.
Goons are not in CT and I hope they never are. In WWII, apart of Crete there was no massive airborne operation with any significance. And for sure a single C47 with 10 paratroopers didnt make a front advance 25miles
Numbers are low because ppl dont get in. First step to raise them?...log in.
So, people here is REALLY hypocrital, or they are plainly idiots. I still have to find ANYONE who said that the MA feels beter than the CT.Everyone who flew my missions (in LW side or on RAF side) said that it was a blast, that the CT rocked and that WTG and all that stuff.
But at this same moment there are 140 people in the MA and 0 in the CT.
SO: ...people lie when they say is a blast, or people is completely idiot because they log in in an arena they said "is less fun". compared with the CT.
I'm not flying in the MA, less now that I felt what a proper HA can be. I see people who has yelled, cried ,begged, ad nauseam to HTC to put a HA in this game, and when they get the damned arena they dont log in because "there are no goons".
I really think that many of such people who asked for a HA were just what they were called: A BUNCH OF USELESS WHINERS!.
Really I feel very very dissapointed with many of the people I thought wanted an HA. Not that it matters a lot. But after begging for so much for an HA ,after yelling for 2 years that the MA sucks and that is boring, and dweebery place, etc...the less you could do IS TO LOG IN AND FLY IN THE fediddleIN HISTORICAL ARENA!. :mad:
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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You'll win so much support with that one....
Anyway, people go where the numbers are. 1 person isn't going to go to an arena with 10 people in it when an arena with 100+ people is sitting right there.
I can't fault them either, HA is totally scripted. Been there, done that. It's fun, but not 24/7.
-SW
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I dont care wether I win support or not. It is simply that so many people crying for an HA for 2 years, now they get it and they dont log in...
Live to see. What a bunch of tards :(
About the people thing, look, is simple: I log in even when there is just ONE guy online. Why? because I'd rather fly a H2H with historical matchups than to fly in the FFA MA.
For 2 years people have said that they would log into the HA even when there were low numbers. Seems that the only one saying that seriously was me.
Whatever it is, it sucks :(
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Most people wanted the MA to be turned into an HA. Very few people believed that an HA would be fully populated if ran beside an MA.
Truth be told.. the CT is not that different than the MA. Base captures have been removed and there's a limited plane set. Icons and dar are different. Other than that.. little has changed.
People still up from the two nearest bases and engage in low alt furballs until they are killed. There is pretty much just one area where any kind of fighting is taking place. There is still lone wolfing, gang-banging, ack-running, running, HO'ing and everything else that people swore an HA would solve.
As for never hearing a discouraging word about the CT... I'd have to disagree with you on that. I've seen several people type out "this isn't any different than the MA... except it has less people" then leave. I've even been seeing the occasional "I'm tired of fighting against the same aircraft" messages popping up.
People are trying to change things there. Planned missions and various other immersive actions are occuring. But these are rare... the furball rules.
Maybe a strat system will be implimented that promotes some sort of historical scenario and according behavior. Until then, we just have a map and aircraft. That's not enough for some people to want to leave the numbers.
AKDejaVu
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I don't have time to play computer games every day. 2-3 times a week is the best I can do. Every time I have tried the CT during "prime time" (evenings US time) there have been 20-40 players. *Shrugs*
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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I don't know about other players, but this is my opinion of the 'Combat Theater':
It's the MA without the ability to capture fields or otherwise influence the front lines and simply has a stripped down planeset with a LOT less players.
I was one of those people that was pretty vocal this would happen. I was repeatedly told I was wrong or other such nonsense.
Well here we are today... and I REALLY hate being "wrong". :D
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
has a stripped down planeset with a LOT less players.
I dont care about more or less players. I can have a bunch of fun with just 10 ppl online.
What I DO care is to see people who were crying for an HA in the boards. Who yelled, asked, begged, for an Historical Arena, flying in the MA ,while the HA is almost empty.
I call that "Hypocrits".
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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RAM, at the time of day u posted this, all of North America is still at work, or only just getting out of work, 5:20pm EST
Do the math
SKurj
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They wanted this "HA" concept to replace the MA, like WarBirds.
To that I replied, "Why not fly WarBirds?" and was told "I like Aces High better!"
Turns out they like the idea of Aces High changing the MA into simply an axis versus allies concept.
But you ARE right about those jackholes who were so vocal about getting an HA all but vanished from the face of the planet once it was up.
I haven't heard the cries for the HA, reason is we have one now... nor have I seen the HA break 30 people or have that number more than 1 night a week when I login.
Disheartening? Yup, that's when I go to the MA.
For me, historical setups will stay in the events... seems it's the only time I can find the ones that want events setup to replicate history anyway....
-SW
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Originally posted by SKurj:
RAM, at the time of day u posted this, all of North America is still at work, or only just getting out of work, 5:20pm EST
Do the math
SKurj
last 2 weeks, at this same hour there used to be 20-40 ppl online. Euros mostly but also some US guys.
Hour is not something that matters here. Less when 140 guys were in the MA when I posted that message.
right now we are 25 there. A good number, and I have had lots of fun. But just 1 hour ago there was NONE, while many of the self proclaimed "HA-lovers" were in the MA killing n1K2s in the meantime...and they still are there...hypocrits...
I dont complain about the low numbers. With 20 I have enough to have a bunch of fun. What I complain is about hte people who filled their mouth with "I will get into the HA even if there is noone there", but who now are in the MA.
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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NOTAM:
Guys don't take the bait. There are some people on this UBB who live for arguments and negativity. Let's ignore the hot air and keep this forum on topic. <S>
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Well, about 2 days ago the MA reset from the lake map to Mindanao. That might have something to do with it.
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IMO 20-40 people is a good number for the CT at this point.
I will fly it as long as there are that many or more.
When it drops to 5 or so, I go to the MA and try and enlist pilots.
IMO the CT is a great place to fly. There is truth to the statement that it's similar to the MA except for dar and icons, etc..
but that's enough !!
To me, that's what was missing from the MA.
(missing???... well. you know what I mean)
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Been in CT its really aweseome when at least 4 people are in it.. wingman tactics.. and even better when a planned out mission takes place.(with obvouisly more people :D )
I started a Raid on London flyin LW it was a blast, had around 6 bombers.. and only 3 escort fighters.. But was still fun.. and quasi historical.
Just need more of a strategice element.. perhaps set goals that could be established for a given map. Say Allies have to Hit geramn factories, and intercepts must take place.. Who knows.. I think its way to early to determine whether or not the CA is a bad/wasted resource.
let it mature... maybe 1.08 will add some interesting ideas..
-Deez
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diddly off RAM.
Djust before you came in whining in the MA we indeed was 10 ppl in the CA.
And if you are so stupid to take festers comment (or mine for that matter) serious then your mental, pls take an look at his score/sortie number in the CA and you will understand what i mean.
Personaly i have wanted this for an long time, thats true but i wont 'feel guilty' because im in the MA from time to time to have simple mindless fun when i want to (afterall the p51 aint in CA yet, and i need my fix badly from time to time).
If the numbers in the weekdays keep on staying in they low teens then i have to say i will be flying more in the MA on the weekdays and then on the weekends when i have more time to devote and i can play later in the night when the US are awake ill be in the CA.
Shit man give it time, we allredy shown to HTC that there is an interest in CA...
Lets see how this new RPS change will effect things.
Oh almost forgot i only signed up again like an week ago, and i do find that the MA provides good fun (not burned out anymore), as i get tired of the MA furballing in the future i surely will spend more and more time in CA.
Regards.
Your hipocrite <finger>
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Yep thats how adult people talk Maniac.
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Yah, Maniac, you are one of the people I am talking about. I see you caught the wave pretty good.
Fester was not the only one who said the 25% Fuel thing, and in any case, Fester has not whined and yelled for 2 years that MA SUCKS and that is for DWEEBS and...etcetera, like others who have done it. I'm not talking about him, but about other 2 who when they read this will know who they are. No need for names here.
I asked privately to several guys online,and got the answers up mentioned. I am NOT talking about any answer I got in #1 channel, so talk about what you know.
Oh, and by the time I came into the MA, there were ZERO people in the CT. Not 10.
And about the rest...well, just by seeing your reaction one understands that I must have hit a nerve.
Fly wherever you want, I dont care. But after 2 years of crying, yelling, whining, etc, asking for an HA. After erasing your account because the MA "Sucked and was boring" and after reopening it because "now we have an HA", you fly in the MA and not in the HA.
So <Finger> back, you hypocrit.
[ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Good to know that we wont EVER see you in the main again.
I could continue to prove that your statement above is utterly false but i wont get into an flame fest here.
[ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: Maniac ]
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I've flown 3 times in the MA so far.
2 of the times was when just were 30-50ppl in the MA (Pacific times),and 0 in the CT. I dont say a thing about the CT being empty at those times. Is normal with the low numbers they have, and anyway I never heard a Japanese player yell for an HA.
Just one time I flew in the MA during Euro or american time. And that was while pyro was setting up the 1st change of map from Norway to Europe (CT Closed). Couple of hours, and immediatly after, the CT.
And I plan to log in the MA in pacific hours if there is noone in the CT (if there is ONE, I log in, ask 457Squod :p). Just FYI :p
[ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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I think the issue right now is plane choice. I know I'll be much more interested in flying there when there is something other than a Spitball avaialble to the Allies. There are lots and lots of folks out there who prefer American iron, and not having any American choices right now limits the numbers further IMHO.
On the up side, as the plane set progresses and there are more choices available, I think we'll see more folks in the CT on a regular basis. :)
I need my .50's. :D
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I notice the numbers go up in CA when night comes in MA :)
If there are a half a dozen or more ppl in CA when I log on and I have an at least 45 min to an hour to fly, I go CA. I enjoy a single kill in CA more than 6 kills in MA. As I'm not a strat or gv player, the A2A in CA is right up my alley. It's nice not to have to worry about a LA7 or niki jumpin ur 6 when you are engaged in a 1 on 1 with a spit 5 or 9.
<S> to xup last night who allowed my 1 on 1 with rosco to finish before engaging me. Just seems more intense in CA to me with less inappropriate ch1 chatter.
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ROFL! Gotta love this thread.
Ram, one question. When are you going to be paying the AH bill for all of these people that you are saying should set aside their own enjoyment to play where and how you want them to play?
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Eagler, I wonder if rosco felt the same way about xup just watching!! ;)
If I'm in trouble 1v1, help me!!! I don't wanna die!!! :D
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I don't log onto AH much anymore, but in the last week I think my time has been about 1 hour MA vs. about 5+ hours CA.
What would be really unfortunate is if it turns out that there is/was a vocal minority howling for the CA (this is what I think is the case -- most people prefer the MA to the CA), and the numbers won't be there to justify the room.
What's more important than just the number of flyers in the CA will be if you see the CA supporters flying the majority of their time in the MA. Or if people try the CA and don't stay. Or maybe people are waiting for more planes to show up.
Hopefully through time, the CA will have steadily increasing numbers, with hardcore flyers and people coming in for a change. Hopefully HTC will be able to justify leaving it there and better yet, do work on strat and stuff that has been discussed elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Lance:
ROFL! Gotta love this thread.
Ram, one question. When are you going to be paying the AH bill for all of these people that you are saying should set aside their own enjoyment to play where and how you want them to play?
I dont know if this is a bait post or what. Or maybe is that you dont know to read. Or maybe (possibly) is that I dont know to express myself in english.
Lance I dont give a rat's bellybutton about where people play, how do they do it, or why do they do it.
However, there is a good deal of AH customers who for 2 years have yelled and begged and asked and whined and...for an HA to be included in AH.
Yesterday there were several of them (I'm talking about at least 7 guys) in the Main arena while the HA (CT) was empty.
I DO care about those, because they said they would fly in the HA "no matter the numbers, nor anything", because the MA sucked and was irrealistic,etc etc etc.
Yet they fly in the MA and not in the HA. I dont care where do they fly anymore, but for me was a big dissapoint to be yesterday those guys in the "Dweebish, sucking, irrealistic" MA while the "is a bunch of fun, Is great, it rocks" HA was empty.
Turns out that most of the people flying lots of time in the HA are people who never strongly called for one; while some of the ones who were giving shouts calling for the need of an HA fly way more in the MA than in the CT.
They are free to play where they want, and I wont demand anyone to play my way. But I am also free to call them hypocrits, wich is exactly what they are.
[ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Originally posted by funkedup:
I don't have time to play computer games every day. 2-3 times a week is the best I can do. Every time I have tried the CT during "prime time" (evenings US time) there have been 20-40 players. *Shrugs*
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
Ditto on all points, yesterday there were 22 online when I came on..
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Originally posted by R4M:
So, people here is REALLY hypocrital, or they are plainly idiots.
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
Why not just say "Where are all the folks that screamed for HA?" rather than call folks hipocrits and idiots? You just have to know you'll get flamed.
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:::chuckles::: The only thing more useless than a post demanding folks play how, where and when YOU want is a post that only seeks to make people feel guilty about playing how, when or where THEY want.
They pay their money, they play their game. You pay your money, you play yours. Don't like how, when or where someone is playing based on something they have posted? Tough titty. Deal with it. Of course, dealing with anything outside of your control has always been a problem, hasn't it Ram?
Gordo!
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Tweee! <Blows whistle, throws flag>
Illegal Baiting of Reformed Posters, 15 yards, against Gordo. Replay the thread.
;)
....and he'd been doing so well (until now) this time around, Gordo. Don't tempt him further. It's not nice to show up with beer at an AA meeting. :D
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ROFL! Not at all, Toad. Look at the first post in the thread.
So, people here is REALLY hypocrital, or they are plainly idiots.
I really think that many of such people who asked for a HA were just what they were called: A BUNCH OF USELESS WHINERS!.
people lie when they say is a blast, or people is completely idiot...
Who baited him into posting all of that? No one. He wants to post like that without anyone antagonizing him, he's fair game ;)
Gordo
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Originally posted by R4M:
other says that there is no strategy because no goons, other says that few ppl...
25% fuel spitfires are going point defence. Get over it.
Goons are not in CT and I hope they never are. In WWII, apart of Crete there was no massive airborne operation with any significance. And for sure a single C47 with 10 paratroopers didnt make a front advance 25miles
[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
mm no mass airborn op other then crete? mmm
how about Normandy? + other paratroop ops after that. there was alot more then u think Ram.
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Originally posted by Lance:
:::chuckles::: The only thing more useless than a post demanding folks play how, where and when YOU want is a post that only seeks to make people feel guilty about playing how, when or where THEY want.
Not after 2 years yelling at the 4 winds, in the open, to everyone, broadcasting it...that they would ONLY fly in the HA. That is my point. They whined and begged for a HA to come, saying repeatedly that they wont fly anything else. And now, they fly the MA :rolleyes:
If it depended on me I would like to see them staying in the MA forever. I dont care about where they fly, Gordo. I CARE that they LIED when they asked for an HA.
But lets leave it at that.
Originally posted by whels:
mm no mass airborn op other then crete? mmm
how about Normandy? + other paratroop ops after that. there was alot more then u think Ram.
Normandy, Arnhem and the cross of the Rhine. Of all, only the Rhine had some real success.
Normandy saw 3 airborne divisions deployed. 2 of them (the 82nd and 101st american) far from their targets,and scattered. THey did a nice job on getting the Germans disconcerted, tho, and created lots of confussion at the cost of terrific losses. But that hardly can be considered as a successfull mission.
And those troops were intended to carry on just a support mission for the landings. It was NOT an operation on their own. Had those troops been deployed on their own, they would've been eaten alive.
Arnhem was a disaster. No need to say more.
The cross of the Rhine saw THOUSANDS of paratroops deployed in a very short time. Also was an operation intended to SUPPORT the land troops, not to conquer anything on their own.
Anyway thousands of paratroopers... Nothing like a lonely C-47 with 10 paratroops, true?. Set the needed troops for field conquest for 150 troops, and I will agree on the capture field issue ;).
That mission had lots of losses, and a relatively low influence in the whole campaign. Nothing (by far) like what Crete was.
And while Crete itself was the only major paratroop operation of the war intended to capture anything by the exclusive means of airdrop, it had a loss rate of the 56%. IT understabily was a serious shock for the germans themselfs. Go figure.
[ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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As to the original topic, I was just in the CT for 2 hours from noon to 2pm US Central Time. When I first signed on, nobody was there. Within 2 minutes, Busc showed up. After 10 minutes or so, there were 8 people on, even sides. The numbers grew steadily and peaked around 14. There were 12 there after I left.
I say all that to say this: if nobody is in the CT, go to the MA and grab at least ONE person to fly with. The majority of sheep--I mean people just don't want to log into an arena with zero online, but once there's at least 2 there, numbers will grow--it really doesn't take long.
If you want to fly in the CT and nobody's there, you must be willing to provide the spark, especially if you don't fly in US primetime hours. <S>
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Ah... so we're sheep if we don't like flying around with no one else?
Gotcha.... no wait, I don't like sitting there all dressed up with my joystick in my hand but I ain't using it!
It's like uhm... going over to a girl's house when she isn't there... you get the idea.
-SW
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For me, there are two reasons why I have not spent much time in the CA. First, for some reason my connection has been really unstable there lately. Second, I am not interested in the plane set. I, like several other people (maybe some of the ones that you are accusing of being hypocrits and other nice things), prefer the Pacific Theater much more than the ETO. I could care less about Spits vs. 109s when I am much more interested in Zekes vs Hellcats and Corsairs.
Oh well, to each their own. Ram, relax, this is just a game and nothing to get pissed about, accusatory, or start name-calling. While you may not think that the replies to your initial post are warranted, and they may not be, I am sure that many people don't think your initial inflammatory post was warranted. The replies match the initial comment. Think about it.
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Told to myself that i wouldnt contribute further to this PATHETIC thread but i have to.
"Not after 2 years yelling at the 4 winds, in the open, to everyone, broadcasting it...that they would ONLY fly in the HA."
Anyone here know who he is talking about?
Secondly, if you are having fun in both arenas why limit yourself to djust fly one of them? What is the logic here please explain.
I CERTAINLY will be flying BOTH arenas as long as i find them fun.
Regards.
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Much better, Ram, you may proceed.
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I wonder how many customers it takes to maintain 150-50 players in the MA. I'm pretty sure its well over 1500. Now think about how many people you've seen screaming for an HA. I'm pretty sure its well below 1500.
Now, RAM, you see the impact of the vocal minority first hand. Of course, standard "grass is always greener" rules also aply.
AKDejaVu
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Will you PLEASE all stop picking on my Squaddie ! 'is just the way he communicates is errrrm... a bit out of standards when he's mad :)
I usualy go see in the MA if there are any squaddies around, then, if there's more than 2 in the CT, I try gather the flock & lead them in (Kirin reeeeaaaly likes to kill Spits, always eager!)
Anyway, RAM, get yourself a cool beer and... relax mate :)
<hands RAM a fat j*int>
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Who is Lance?
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Lance = Gordo
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CT is much better than MA (IMHO) but got not much time to be there.... (actually git not much time for anything these days :( ) but when september comes I will be there! I promise! After CT came and I spent few hours there I told myself to forget about MA... Well September is closing so hold on, I will be there... :D And of course I will have my 25% fuel Spit with me :)
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Who is Gordo?
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Gordo is a popsicle.
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Did you guys not see the SIZE of Gordo at the con? He'd squish ya like a bug! Fer Gawd's sake, don't pull the tigers tail! ;) (No Creamo, not talking about the size YOU recieved!)
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I think the CT is a good idea and am happy to see that it has been implemented. I support the CT as much as possible and really enjoy participating in historical matchups and am convinced the CT will see more participation as the planeset expands. (I'm still of the opinion this will be the place to go for early-war flyers once those planes are introduced.) However, a biggie is that I prefer the American iron...and especially Pacific Theater of Operations stuff. Since the next TOD will be of a PTO nature, I have been in the MA again more practicing my skils in the F6F and F4U so that I'm prepared for that. TOD is my #1 and I prefer the CT over the MA but I can't let slip my skills in the aircraft I prefer.
-Puke
332nd Flying Mongrels
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Har, and I've been bulking up! Of course, its all gut...
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Originally posted by Sancho:
When I first signed on, nobody was there.
Did this last night (Saturday) , works fine :) one bomber milk run then they started to show up .
I don't see a problme with low numbers at all . I hate 20+ furballs so 4 to 8 people are just fine for me , I came from 8 player CFS 1 and we had a fine time learning there and make lots of new friends , seems that way in CT already . People more friendly etc and willing to type .
ribbit ribbit
8^)
[ 08-26-2001: Message edited by: airspro ]