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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: redman555 on November 05, 2007, 07:24:13 PM
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Ok, i am probably the WORST pilot in the P-51D.... really the only plane im good in is the FM2,F4F, and P-47, i NEED TIPS this plane is good it pwns just not in my hands, and i know for a fact VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game, so anyone got tips?
-BigBOBCH
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Vans has probs dealing with PMs let alone a P51.
:p
Mac
*CHECK 6 VansCrew*
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Vanscrew is a boom and zoomer he waits til others are dogfighting and picks them off:rofl
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not quite bob. vans is good, but 1 on 1, in 51's he doesn't stand a chancne against some.
he's ok in th MA's, especially at staying alive and racking up a lot of kills, but he's NOT the best 51 pilot out there. no offence vans ;)
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:lol
I could think of at least 20 other guys off the top off my head that can fly the 51 better than Vans..
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SkatSr
DmdDano
Steve
Stang
Midnight ( <---CO of the Broncos is who I am thinking of if I got it wrong )
tango ( or is it dtango )
DmdJJ
some of the better P-51 pilots I have seen..........I like and prefer the Bravo Pony myself.......simply handles better and I seem to connect better with the 4 than I do with the 6 on the D model for some reason.......
kappa back in the day used to fly a mean P51D, don't run into him hardly ever anymore though...
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ok but were r the TIPS!! i need tips lol
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Originally posted by redman555
..... and i know for a fact VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game...
-BigBOBCH
:rofl :rofl :cry :rofl :rofl
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Look for a guy named "0ldemon", who fly's rook.
One of the best fights i had ever vs a pony was against him a couple weeks back.
It's pretty easy to BnZ with a pony, but it takes alot of practice and patience to get down and dirty on the deck with one without losing all your E.
I also prefer the b model, but only because the d is so popular.
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Hehe someone ask Vanscrew for help and called him the best in 1 post! Thats astonishing.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Hehe someone ask Vanscrew for help and called him the best in 1 post! Thats astonishing.
hey hey, vans talks dumb smack a lot, but he's not a bad stick. he has a lot to learn, but he's not bad.
bob, if you want tips, the no. 1 i can give you is have fun. you wanna get good? forget about score or winning, just throw that pony into a fight. you'll lose a lot for a bit, but after a while you'll learn how to work it.
just go with it for a while, soon you'll be a master.
i doubt any decent stick will disagree with me. learn by experience!
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low alt pony flying follow steve or stang around ... high alt follow skatsr , Gorkle or xMarine.
check out the films too ..that will teach ya most of its tricks
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
SkatSr
DmdDano
Steve
Stang
Midnight ( <---CO of the Broncos is who I am thinking of if I got it wrong )
tango ( or is it dtango )
DmdJJ
some of the better P-51 pilots I have seen..........I like and prefer the Bravo Pony myself.......simply handles better and I seem to connect better with the 4 than I do with the 6 on the D model for some reason.......
kappa back in the day used to fly a mean P51D, don't run into him hardly ever anymore though...
Yeah Midnight is the CO (FYI its the Braunco's, but who cares:aok ). SkatSr's in the squad with us, along with Tango(in game handle dtango is bb name). I'd also add SkatJr up there also. Everyone on there deserves that spot tho as they are just savage in the Pony. Wish one day I can be too!
donkey
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AXER is the best pony driver I've seen in action
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Originally posted by kamilyun
AXER is the best pony driver I've seen in action
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by AWMac
Vans has probs dealing with PMs let alone a P51.
:p
Mac
*CHECK 6 VansCrew*
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Ahhh that thread should go in my sig too...Priceless!
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Ren's pretty good in it...:D
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I would agree that 0ldemon would be a good pony pilot to learn from.
(and TC's list of course)
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Originally posted by redman555
ok but were r the TIPS!! i need tips lol
Do like all the rest of the runstangs do.. Run away as soon as you get in trouble, then just call it extending.
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I do adimt i do B&Z alot in the 51D,normally im in a B if im going to turn fight.I dont like to get slow in P51s,thats why i Z&B most of the time.Bob if you want to learn the 51 talk to some of the 412's or Grmrpr.
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Originally posted by redman555
i NEED TIPS this plane is good it pwns just not in my hands, and i know for a fact VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game, so anyone got tips?
-BigBOBCH
Here is a tip.
Vans is not the best in anything in this game :lol
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Talk to WideWing (he's an AH trainer). He has helped me a lot with the 51s. He is very knowledgeable and flies the 51s well. He is also very patient.
PS. Thanks WideWing and all the AH trainers for such hard work!
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how much you wanta bet thats VansCrew with fake name coming on here praising how good his 51 skills are? lol
he quotes himself as "picker" enough said
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Originally posted by Speed55
Look for a guy named "0ldemon", who fly's rook.
Here here on this guy! He has smoked my spit down low about 90% of the time I run into him. Salute!
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Wow TC, I'm flattered by your recognition of the 412th with 3 of us making your Mustang dweeb list ;) (Sr, Midnight, myself)! Other Mustang dweebs that I think should go on that list like freezeman, bullz, wldthng (where's he at these days?), lucky, beemer & rude (back in the ol' days). I'm sure there are others I'm leaving off.
To the topic at hand for redman555/BigBOBCH...
Here's a thread on the topic of advice on the P-51 posted a few months ago in the training forum worth a look...
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=210845&referrerid=3699
Good info in that thread on flying the P-51.
IMHO quite honestly, the P-51 is average at best in AH when it comes to the different dimensions of aircraft performance with only speed being above average. If you rely purely on the performance margin of the Mustang then you'll be limited to what you can do with the Mustang against other planes in AH.
There in lies one of the secrets of learning to fly the Mustang successfully against better planes. You have to learn to use other things besides just the raw performance margin of your airplane to your advantage, like gravity, angles, differences in airspeed or weight, etc. to outsmart the other guy to gain an energy or angles advantage against your adversary to put you in a position for a kill.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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hey if you train enough anyone can become better pilot then boom and zoom P51 pilot when u can out turn a turn fighter in pony then ur good and i think not Pony pilot but best pilot is Lynx
VOTE LYNX FOR GENERAL OF ROOKS we should have generals each side:aok
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
hey hey, vans talks dumb smack a lot, but he's not a bad stick. he has a lot to learn, but he's not bad.
bob, if you want tips, the no. 1 i can give you is have fun. you wanna get good? forget about score or winning, just throw that pony into a fight. you'll lose a lot for a bit, but after a while you'll learn how to work it.
just go with it for a while, soon you'll be a master.
i doubt any decent stick will disagree with me. learn by experience!
Ditto Just get in there and learn by doing. That is what I am doing with the Pony and the JUG. Pointers are great if it was live fire with a real airplane. Here you need to learn by doing. Best advice I can give.
JUGMAN
Always learning and getting hosed.
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Originally posted by redman555
VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game, so anyone got tips?
-BigBOBCH
(http://www.hotink.com/wacky/dastrdly/mutt_front.gif)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Vans has no life so he plays for over 10 hours a day and learns to cheap shot:rofl :rofl :rofl
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This funny. Most of the people mentioned as "good" 51 pilots are using the gang, pick, and run methods. There was 1 p51 pilot. Steve in AH1. Thats all that counts. The first. Many can follow, but some were there years before any of us.
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Originally posted by dedalos
This funny. Most of the people mentioned as "good" 51 pilots are using the gang, pick, and run methods. There was 1 p51 pilot. Steve in AH1. Thats all that counts. The first. Many can follow, but some were there years before any of us.
Steve in AHI= Steve in AHII (the pony is now a shadow of what it was in AHI)
Gosh Ded, that's very high praise and I'm honored. I'm not sure I'm worthy of such fine remarks. :)
About that time, I heard many times how Wldthing was THE guy in 51's. No doubt he was good, but I never got to fight him... maybe that is why he was so good.. he couldn't be pinned down and forced to fight?
I remember once I finally ran into him.. I told him it was me.. he was low, ran to ack and wouldn't come out. This may sound worse than it is, for all I know he was PW or out of ammo.
Edit: I did fight him once but don't really count it, he had one guy helping and so did I and my ally was in a 262. I was able to keep more E than wldthing and got him but do not consider this a fair 1v1 fight.
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Originally posted by redman555
i know for a fact VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game, so anyone got tips?
-BigBOBCH
:rofl :lol :rofl
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Originally posted by redman555
Ok, i am probably the WORST pilot in the P-51D.... really the only plane im good in is the FM2,F4F, and P-47, i NEED TIPS this plane is good it pwns just not in my hands, and i know for a fact VANSCREW is prolly THE best
P-51D pilot in the game, so anyone got tips?
-BigBOBCH
(http://www.illinipundit.com/system/files/u367/attention_potato2.jpg)
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i know 0ldemon is good, he kicks my butt all the time in it
Im in my 4th year playin, and i nvr been able to learn the P-51
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Originally posted by redman555
Im in my 4th year playin,
Ya doubt that.
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Hiya all. Long time no see. Need to learn the pony again myself someday.
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Originally posted by redman555
i know 0ldemon is good, he kicks my butt all the time in it
Im in my 4th year playin, and i nvr been able to learn the P-51
As Tango said... the 51 isn't a very good plane compared to the other LW rides.
Three things it has: decent top end speed, good high speed handling, excellent views. That's about it... range doesn't matter all that much on these small maps.
Things it does poorly relative the the other lw rides: poor acceleration, climb, turn. Lethality is average, hardness unremarkable, roll is average..... it's actually a pretty poor ride compared to it's contemporaries.
At typical MA alt fights the pony is definitively outclassed by the La7, D9, spixteen, and the ultra uber k4.
In the DA, pilot skills being equal, the pony is outlcassed by most of the fighter plane set. You'd have to get down into fairly early war stuff before the pony would have any appreciable advantage and even then it would have to fight in the vert to gain a kill opportunity.
You can find plenty of fanbois who will tell you the 51 is a great ride.... they're not being intellectually honest with you or themselves.
Steve
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
As Tango said... the 51 isn't a very good plane compared to the other LW rides.
Three things it has: decent top end speed, good high speed handling, excellent views. That's about it... range doesn't matter all that much on these small maps.
Things it does poorly relative the the other lw rides: poor acceleration, climb, turn. Lethality is average, hardness unremarkable, roll is average..... it's actually a pretty poor ride compared to it's contemporaries.
At typical MA alt fights the pony is definitively outclassed by the La7, D9, spixteen, and the ultra uber k4.
In the DA, pilot skills being equal, the pony is outclassed by most of the fighter plane set. You'd have to get down into fairly early war stuff before the pony would have any appreciable advantage and even then it would have to fight in the vert to gain a kill opportunity.
You can find plenty of fanbois who will tell you the 51 is a great ride.... they're not being intellectually honest with you or themselves.
Steve
Ain't that the truth! lol
I'd also add that for a "fighter," it carries a very respectable amount of ords. Steve, I also wouldn't underestimate the usefulness of its range, even on these small maps.
donkey
Oh, and it has one other main advantage. It looks just so dang purty!
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If you know the basics that Tango and others described in the other thread then really you just have to go do it.
You'll have to use your best judgement especially when dealing with other players who know how to handle their rides. That doesn't mean run whenever you run into them though. The only way to learn how to beat them is to keep trying. You may die 9 out of 10 times you meet them but as time goes on you'll find you last longer in the battle. You'll find that your getting more and more opportunities to put your guns across the target. You'll find that your slowly learning not only the strengths of your ride but also it's weaknesses and learning how to deal with both accordingly.
You'll learn just how far you can push your ride over time. You won't find that fine line that you can walk in a short period of time. I flew the mustangs for years and still got my butt waxed on a daily basis.
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dnt ask vanscrew lol he wont help he'll make u worse so your easy kill for him trust me i wus on vox with him and he wus on other side smoked his P38L engines gave him pilot wound and he promised if i let him go he would teach me how to get good rank LMAO idc about rank anymore and that was when i had an old ID i forget mabe Flyboy55 or WPsniper:aok
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imop, Cobra412 is the best P51 pilot i ever meet, in this game , ( i don't know if is still flying).He was flying with imagination,fantasy ,unpredictable tactics,in slow stall fight unlike most of others BZers, and was a nice guy to meet in fight , cuz most of others Steve,SkatSR,GrmRpr,Oldemon are filing the ch.200 with imature vintage whine , even if they shoot me down
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Originally posted by ghi
imop, Cobra412 is the best P51 pilot i ever meet, in this game , ( i don't know if is still flying).He was flying with imagination,fantasy ,unpredictable tactics,in slow stall fight unlike most of others BZers, and was a nice guy to meet in fight , cuz most of others Steve,SkatSR,GrmRpr,Oldemon are filing the ch.200 with imature vintage whine , even if they shoot me down
Well, you know why I don't like you.
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Talkin watermelon on 200 has nothing to do with skill in the pony. :)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Well, you know why I don't like you.
(http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/kid-middle-finger.jpg) :furious :)
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Originally posted by gusman
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
SkatSr
DmdDano
Steve
Stang
Midnight ( <---CO of the Broncos is who I am thinking of if I got it wrong )
tango ( or is it dtango )
DmdJJ
some of the better P-51 pilots I have seen..........I like and prefer the Bravo Pony myself.......simply handles better and I seem to connect better with the 4 than I do with the 6 on the D model for some reason.......
kappa back in the day used to fly a mean P51D, don't run into him hardly ever anymore though...
You have forgotten Challenge will stack him up against anyone in another 51.
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Originally posted by ghi
(http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/kid-middle-finger.jpg) :furious :)
:D :D:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by raider73
hey if you train enough anyone can become better pilot then boom and zoom P51 pilot when u can out turn a turn fighter in pony then ur good and i think not Pony pilot but best pilot is Lynx
VOTE LYNX FOR GENERAL OF ROOKS we should have generals each side:aok
:O
This really made my head hurt. What language is it?
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U guys forget about Forker ,DirtDevl, AKDG and GENTILE they are also great pony sticks :)
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PONY? WhO Cares about a STINKIN PONY :) 4- HOG BABY WOO! :D
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Bucky73 owns in a p51. but don't ask him for tips cause i'm pretty sure he flies with his eyes closed.
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(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee225/AWMac/INBefore.jpg)
Mac
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Drex
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I never fought Drex in a 51. I always saw him in a hellcat. He was a remarkable cartoon pilot... perhaps the best, with an ample side of class.
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I challenge everyone in this thread to DA in pony, right now!!11!11 zomg121!121
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Originally posted by raider73
hey if you train enough anyone can become better pilot then boom and zoom P51 pilot when u can out turn a turn fighter in pony then ur good
That is impossible. you cannot make your plane do things it can't just because you practice. The only thing you could do is out fly the other guy but if you are at the same skill level as him, no amount of practice in the 51 will help you. His 109, Spit, F4U, etc will kill you!
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I never fought Drex in a 51. I always saw him in a hellcat. He was a remarkable cartoon pilot... perhaps the best, with an ample side of class.
I recall one time back in AH1 when he was in a Ju88 and won a 3v1 fight. Asked him if he needed help and he thanked me but told me he had the situation at hand. Boy, did he suck.
ack-ack
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I can not believe, that I forgot about WldThing.......I have to put him up there at top of list with Steve.....
and while I am at it I left of Boozr too now called Boozer in AH I believe.....he was my mentor many years ago........
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
I do adimt i do B&Z alot in the 51D,normally im in a B if im going to turn fight.I dont like to get slow in P51s,thats why i Z&B most of the time.Bob if you want to learn the 51 talk to some of the 412's or Grmrpr.
There is good reason not to get slow in a pony, number one being they were designed for high alt, high speed fights.
Most fights in AH are well below that range, therefore a pony must stay fast to survive, u cant ever really fault anyone for flying a plane the way it was designed. Although it is fun to mess with them on 200 in hopes they turn around when they try to get away;)
This is on thing i happen to agree with vans on, I dont think anyone would like to get slow in a pony, because every pony I can catch is one I kill.
Once there caught and have to make a few moves and get there speed low they really start to lose alot of handeling, they are less responsive at low speeds than a corsair.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Once there caught and have to make a few moves and get there speed low they really start to lose alot of handeling, they are less responsive at low speeds than a corsair.
not arguing , just have a different view.... if you practice and fully learn your plane, "not that I suggest flying like this" --->you will find it can do quiet a bit beyond its intended flight/fight envelope... even when slow.....
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I'd have to agree with TC there Warlock.. the 51 is a very capable plane at low alts and slow speeds, if you can control the plane. Most who can't do BnZ in it, which gives the pony a bad name as a "runner"plane because majority of those who fly it, can't fly it like some of those who were previously mentioned.
What Dedalos said is correct as well as far as the spits, F4s, etc beating the pony. Same thing can be said about the F4 and K4. But those who are good in them, can control their plane at any speed/alt. Which makes not so much the plane itself deadly, but rather the pilots knowledge and skill level.
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talk to mus51, hes a great p51 driver:aok
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
I'd have to agree with TC there Warlock.. the 51 is a very capable plane at low alts and slow speeds, if you can control the plane. Most who can't do BnZ in it, which gives the pony a bad name as a "runner"plane because majority of those who fly it, can't fly it like some of those who were previously mentioned.
*snicker* How about the ones who do a great 190 land trout impression when caught?
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There is ALWAYS a brand new shiney one waiting in the hangar. Fly it , fight with it , do all sorts of things in it til you learn.
They come off the assembly line faster than you can break em.