Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Drane on November 02, 2015, 01:01:36 PM
Title: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Drane on November 02, 2015, 01:01:36 PM
This film shows me ditching from 20k alt in a 262 with no vertical stabilizer. There are a few times where the 262 appears to decelerate while yawed left or right and going down. Film attached.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: FLS on November 02, 2015, 01:42:48 PM
Nice ditch. The 262 slowed down because it was going sideways causing greater drag and the air was getting thicker.
Sometimes you just get lucky. :D
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Drane on November 03, 2015, 12:14:29 AM
Nice ditch. The 262 slowed down because it was going sideways causing greater drag and the air was getting thicker.
Sometimes you just get lucky. :D
Both engines were running full throttle until just before touchdown. Then I pulled throttles back to idle. Engines only had oil leaks and broke when impacting the ground.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Drane on November 03, 2015, 10:08:17 AM
Obviously you don't know much about what happens to an airplane when it goes down out of control.
One thing is for sure, a falling airplane doesn't act like there's a giant parachute slowing it down.
They tend to overspeed and shed parts.
So if you don't really know the answer, why butt in with a "he doesn't know what he's talking about" kind of response that says to other people..."move along nothing to see here"?
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: FLS on November 03, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
You weren't just falling you were also flying. When you fall or fly sideways there is a lot of drag. When you fell with the smoke going up you were flat plate to the wind. Next time you're driving 170 mph consider how slow that is. :D
HTC can look at the film and see if there's a bug. My opinion won't change Hitech's opinion. I think you got lucky, you may disagree.
Use the F5 view from the front or rear to see the attitude and note the smoke direction showing the relative wind.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Drane on November 04, 2015, 08:04:59 AM
Sigh.......
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: FLS on November 04, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Don't forget to consider the low thrust of those engines when you've lost forward speed.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Drane on November 04, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I know you're trying to help...but...you're not. Please stop.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: FLS on November 04, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
It's also useful to consider that the terminal velocity of an aerodynamic bullet is around 200 mph.
If you aren't thirsty don't drink. :D
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: MrKrabs on November 04, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
Did you also know Zack is awesome? :old:
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: USCH on November 04, 2015, 05:30:45 PM
It's also useful to consider that the terminal velocity of an aerodynamic bullet is around 200 mph.
If you aren't thirsty don't drink. :D
Beginning to feel as if you are just one of those people who has to have the last word in a conversation.
Consider your assumptions of what I'm considering.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Wiley on November 05, 2015, 10:02:54 AM
Regardless of whether it's right or not, I'd just like to mention I've had that kind of ditch twice in a 262 with no vstab. Just floats down like a leaf. I've also had horrible things happen to my 262 when it lost the vstab. Not sure what the conditions are that allow it to work. Possibly if it starts from a relatively level orientation. Once was definitely from ~20k, the second time was more like 10k I believe.
Wiley.
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: FLS on November 05, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
Consider your assumptions of what I'm considering.
Which assumption are you assuming?
You said you ditched a 262 with no vert stab. What's the bug?
Title: Re: possible 262 flight model bug - ditch from 20k alt no vert stab
Post by: Randy1 on November 05, 2015, 01:19:20 PM
My squad mate did the same thing in a P-51 last week after losing the tail. Flew sideways for a very, very long time. He thought he had a ditch until he hit a tree at the very end.