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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wlfgng on August 15, 2001, 05:34:00 PM
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I was first on scene to a plane crash today (here in Aspen/Snowmass).
Here are links to the pix. Believe it or not, the occupants walked away on thier own before we arrived. They were badly burned but alive.
http://www.nick-tucker.com/AH/AC-1.jpg (http://www.nick-tucker.com/AH/AC-1.jpg) http://www.nick-tucker.com/AH/AC-2.jpg (http://www.nick-tucker.com/AH/AC-2.jpg)
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Looks like yhey're lucky to be alive.
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Wlfgng,
Please email me:
don@kccreek.com
Edit: Is that a Rockwell 114?
Thanks...Ozark
[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: Ozark ]
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WOW, they are very lucky to live. Those are some healthy lookin trees that were taken out. Passenger area looks like it was crumpled badly. Did you hear the crash wlfie? or happen upon the wreckage?
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I just happened to be with the Police Chief photographing the new cars for the website.
We looked across the valley and saw smoke. He got on the radio and was trying to find out if anyone had a controlled burn underway. Nope.. so we headed over to check out a possible fire.. in route we heard dispatch announce a possible plane missing and so on go the sirens (and the seat belt) and away we were.
Many units were running around trying to find a way to access it since there are roads above and below the area but not direct way in.
Brian (Police Chief) decided to try the work roads for the ski area, so we 4 wheeled it to close the the site, and walked in.
We were there first, looking for bodies or people nearby requiring assistance. After about 5 minutes we got the call that they walked out.. badly burned face, torso, hands, arms.. etc.. fuel burns no less but alive.
They didn't get knocked unconcious (which is amazing with all the trees, etc) and were able to walk down the mtn (away from us coming in) and eventually go the ambulance then a flight-for-life ride to Denver.
Amazing stuff.
The plane was still burning and exploding.. sending a few bits of debris over our heads.
Way fun actually since the occupants survived and we didn't have to deal with that .. just the wreckage.
Some very lucky people that's for sure. A man in his late 50's or early 60's and his son.
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WOW!! :eek:
What are the odds that a plane would crash while you, camera in hand, were standing with the Police Chief?
If you ever play the lottery tell me your lucky numbers he he he :D
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Very happy to hear the pilot and passenger survived. Wish them both father and son the best.. burn unit is not a fun place.
Thunder
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Depending on the age of the victims, severity of burns, most badly burned patients die within 3 weeks of the injury, you see, the burn doesn't kill you, your own internal organs do. They struggle to help 'heal' the burns, overloading them, the kidneys are usually the first to fall victim, then others start failing. Hope that the father is young, and isn't burned more than 50% :( Kids seem to survive quite well. Also, if you are a smoker, your chances of survival have just been cut in half my wife tells me. (She works in the level 4 burn intensive care trauma unit at one of only 6 such centers in the world)
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Unfortunately the father is 50.. the son is 16.
both are burned approx 35% so they have a fighting chance.
Apparently the father had trouble unstrapping the son or they both would have walked away with an injury. The flames came in the cockpit as he struggled with the harness.
Here's hoping they survive to tell about it.
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What was the type of aircraft involved?
Thunder
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This information is horrid.
“I was the first on be on the sight”… whooptedo…
Alright, and the 1st to be a “look at me! People were hurt, check out my pictures!”
Shut up already.
Have some respect for yourselves, if not the families and victims.
Rip says “I know stuff about burns, ill interject it like I’m a professional! Check ME out!”
God you guys are amazinhunks. Piss off already. You are more impressed with how you found tragedy, and how you post it like your somehow important, than what these poor folks lived through.
Blah.
Fools.
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[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Creamo get a life.
Most of us are interested.. it's human nature.
The fact that people survived this is incredible. You know some people are happy about that. Yes it's terrible that they were burned but it's fantastic that they lived.
What is foolish is you thinking you know what motivates me/us. Maybe you should investigate your own motivations.
You'll note that I did NOT post the pics from the fatal plane crash here in Aspen earlier this year... it was much more graphic/etc but out of respect for the friends and families I did not.
Sorry if you're offended... you shouldn't be.
and one more thing :)
If I was in it for the publicity or whatever I would have sold the pictures to the local papers and newsteams when they asked... I didn't.
And yeah.. I'm very excited and emotional about it. I was there and expected to find victims/bodies, etc..
I'm very very excited that they walked out alive. You should be too.
[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Wlfgng ]
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Your excited you found it.
Thank God they were so unfortunate to give you a claim to fame?
Your an ass. Piss off.
I hope you don't rescue me inbetween "Check this out! he was Horribly burned!" Photos.
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Wlfgng,
Thanks for sharing your photographs. I would rather have done without them but like most I would just rather that everyone could die peacefully in advanced old age, without pain and surrounded by loved ones. Unfortunately, as your photo cleary remninds us, this is not the case.
Y
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Forgot to add this...
If I was in it for the publicity or whatever I would have...
Lets see, NOT posted it in the Aces High General Forum instead of, say Off Topic like this morbid crap might have at least some point?
[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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You really need to get a grip Creamo.
Personally I'm excited because I didn't come across fatalities, etc.
I'm excited because it's simply a set of photos of a downed aircraft and not the horror I was afraid of finding.
to me, sharing this is a sort catharsis. It helps me to share the joy of finding such a bad crash without the loss of life.
It makes me happy actually. I am relieved.
Too bad you can't see that and instead choose to paint some sort of morbid picture out of it. Take it for what it is and quit trying to read something of your own into it.
besides all that..
my motivation was simple. Get there, get there quickly, provide assistance to anyone that needed it.
After running down the mountain, scared as hell that I would find victims...
I find instead, a plane crash with NO victims.
What could be more incredible than that !
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I provided the info and link in my original post. You knew what you were getting before you clicked on the links to the pictures.
No one forced you to click them and look and yet you complain because you saw them?
I don't get it but then again I don't get you.
For the last time... sorry if you were offended. It was not my intention. Anything else you get out of it is your own thing.
[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Wlfgng ]
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I would have done the same thing I if where at a simmilar situation with a camera, no doubt.
Looking at those pictures it is amazing that anybody could survive, hope the involved heals 100%.
Thx for sharing Wlfgng.
The 332 "VIKING" squadron
(http://www.lasse.as/332.bmp)
Lasse
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Creamo, Are you already liquored up? Little early isn't it?
You Poor Bum. :(
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I was thinking the same thing wlfie. If they had not survived the crash, then the photos would be tasteless. They did not die, they lived and will probably be ok. I don't see posting the pictures as being tasteless. They show nothing but smoldering wreckage.
Don't sweat it, creamo will sober up and be our pal again.
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LOL. Yeah but isn't it kinda' fun ribbin' him???
I mean.. he is from that 'other' squad... ;\
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Creamos been sensitive about this kind of thing ever since he and the Grand Master were really badly burned by a crashing small plane while the GM was giving young Creamo special instruction in the bushes outside thier monthly rally.
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Whoa guys.. cut the Creamer a bit of slack.
The guys an aircraft mechanic.
And he cares about what he does.
He walks out of his house every day, puts wrenchs on those birds, has to ask himself a thousand times a day "Did I do it right??"
Every time he sees a crash he's askin himself "One of mine??"
He's a lot closer to the subject than the rest of us, and if yah look at it from his perspective, you'll understand that flying accidents are not a spectator sport.
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Not to take this to a lighter note, but wlfgng I go fly fishing in Basalt every Year we need to hook up and drink a few.
Drex
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
Whoa guys.. cut the Creamer a bit of slack.
The guys an aircraft mechanic.
And he cares about what he does.
He walks out of his house every day, puts wrenchs on those birds, has to ask himself a thousand times a day "Did I do it right??"
Every time he sees a crash he's askin himself "One of mine??"
He's a lot closer to the subject than the rest of us, and if yah look at it from his perspective, you'll understand that flying accidents are not a spectator sport.
You're right Hangtime. I've been a tinbasher (structures technician) for a decade now and it hits closer to home when you hear of a crash. A lot of skill and experience goes into keeping them up. You don't like to hear about one augering. :(
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Drex,
I thought we talked about everything.. but we never talked fly fishing tonight! I have a lot of time on the Frying Pan, Roaring Fork and other Colorado Rivers. I tie my own flies, build my own rods and have a lot a flyfishing buddies in Colorado. Lets talk :D
You amaze me.. you do it all! hehe
Thunder
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
Whoa guys.. cut the Creamer a bit of slack. The guys an aircraft mechanic.
geeeezzz now thats scary. pretty weird attitude.
someone should get the faa to check him out. ;)
what airline cream so we can avoid it? :D
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I hate airplane wrecks, and they are horrid, and I think pix of them are morbid, and I blasted Wlf pretty ridiculous for it. Whoops. Got called drunk and Grandmaster (whatever that is) and am HB's pal which aint to bad.
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I'm a former aircraft mechanic myself.. not to mention Coast Guard.. so I can relate to a point.
Anyway.. no offense intended.
Drex, Thunder.. YESSIR!!! let's go.
Actually last night I caught 2 over 20 and 1 over 28 .. inches that is.. what a night!
all on dries (green drakes, yellow sallies)
it was awesome.
anyway.. just let me know when you guys are here.. The Roaring Fork is my home-water :)
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update on the pilot's condition...
much improved and stable.
Ozark.. drop me a line, I have some info for you and your training class. Including what the NTSB found.
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Creamo
There was nothing wrong with him posting that picture nor telling the story along with it.
I found it interesting to hear that people suvived the crash.
If you don't like to see things like that then don't look at them.
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Hmmm, good post Mighty.
I never looked at it so insightful. Thanks for changing my mind entirely.
Its enlightening additions to a dead thread that make it all worthwhile.
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Creamo,
I understand your reaction but let me explain what I feel:
I'm a real life pilot, I'm a flight instruvtor, I fly several hours a day. Everytime I see a picture of a crash or that I'm at a real crash it's good for me.
First I laught (don't ask me why, probably a psy thing about denial), then the picture gets printed in my head.
When I'm in flight, those picture come back in my head and they make me a better pilot. Did I checked my fuel? What's the oil pressure reading?
I just scaned the area 2 minutes ago, I'm alone in the sky, I don't want to twist my neck again... <pop pictures of pieces of meat pack on a truck bed after a crash in the Grand Canyon> ... hum... better check again, you never know.
Those pictures serve me well, they definitly remind you that you have no second chance and that you better do it right the first time. Flying is fun but not a game, people who die before you are not stupid people or bad pilots, this can happen to you too. Being reminded that is a good thing for me.
Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy1.jpg)
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I took the "this should be Off Topic" thought I had, combined with that I really hate airplane crashes, and made it a "piss off" post Frenchy. No more really.
And your right btw.
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thx Frenchy.. I agree.
but that Creamo guy.. sheesh :) hehe
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I wasn't trying to change your mind Creamo. :rolleyes:
You have your opinion and I have mine. Yours is wrong of course but I would never try to change the mind of an obvious moron like yourself.
But hey! Feel free to try and belittle everyone else if that makes you feel like like a real man.
To use your quote "Your an ass. Piss off."
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man.. I sense a locked thread coming
heh
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Mighty's on a roll... no need to lock out brilliance. There is more to this thread than he will let die.
More Mighty!
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You guys are trying to reason with Creamo? Hell, might as well go to AGW and reasons with Lemsko or MG... :)
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Nah! Not trying to reason with anyone just raising hell. :)
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Creamo's mine. Leave him alone.
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Originally posted by hblair:
Creamo's mine. Leave him alone.
So THATS what you did with that 20.......