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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uberslet on September 21, 2008, 09:48:30 PM
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Why is it so popular? Is it just a prefered shot of some, can others just not fight well? Granted, i HO, we all HO at some point (for the most part we all do i should say), however i come across those select few who HO just to HO it seems. Im not saying names, so as not to be hated anymore, but there is that select few. Im not saying that the HO shot is stupid, or that it shouldnt be allowed, Im just asking why its so common. And yes, i understand it was also common in World War II.
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ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!
This coming from the guy that was in the KOTH last night and all you did was go for the HO shot on me when we was in F4U-1A's.....i was so discussed with this but i have high respect for akdogg so i kept my mouth shut...well..the best i could, however i'm very much sure that you remember me asking you if you ran out of ammo cuz u had missed all ur HO attempts...so maybe u might wanna edit this post before its too late, i have film of my flights in KOTH if u would like to take a look at them.
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i wasnt asking for criticism.....and i said in my originol post "Most of us HO at some point" did i not? you can ask AKWoodie..i never lined up for HO on him, think it was Darth2 who got me right after you betty, i never lined up for HO with him. Im sorry im not a perfect little angel in the sky. Granted, i did HO, i didnt hit, and some of those "HO's" on betty, you never had a shot...chill out...DAMN!
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Never post a thread and "expect NO criticism." Sorry, playing the role of wounded puppy won't fly.
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Well, for fresh new guys, it's the only time they'll ever get you in their sights, and many go on to decide that's good enough for them ;)
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Well, for fresh new guys, it's the only time they'll ever get you in their sights, and many go on to decide that's good enough for them ;)
makes sense. simple enough answer i would guess. :salute Vudak.
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a HO puts your in such a bad position when entering a fight. i know every single time im gonna win when some 1 takes a HO shot at me no mater who it is.
but the HO is just a way to shoot some 1. most people dont know how to move there plane out of the way so they just shoot and prey you blow up before they hit you.
why HO some 1 when it takes you 15 minutes to fly to the enemy base. it just seems stupid to me to waist a sortie like that. you will almost die every time commiting to a HO on HO merge. goin out to the side of them and immuling over them. while they are flyin strait tryin to HO you. you are already on top of them waiting to get a real kill.
just some words of advise :)
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If you really really really want to save a base and somehow you manage to get off the runway... a 1:1 kill/death ratio is acceptable... I guess. In that situation the guy you kill has to come a lot further to get back to the fight then you do AND... the game is (big gasp) SCORED such that killing quickly makes you look impressive. For a LOT of people this is the only way they will ever get a score at all.
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Why is it so common? Well, it is the simplist most basic way to get shots on a target. Simply point your plane at what you want to hit, and shoot. Having the other plane turning toward you (and into your guns) makes things that much easier.
As far as being an inefficient way to score kills (50/50 odds at best)- that's actually pretty good odds for a fairly large group out there. Anyone who has less than a 1/1 K/D is doing worse than 50/50...
Why would someone not take the HO shot? An "ace" might avoid the HO for several reasons- 50/50 odds aren't good enough, and he/she'd rather maneuver for a safer position to shoot from, or maybe he/she sees the HO as a "low-skill, beneath my level of expertise" tactic. For someone not all that skilled, those ideas don't really apply. They may just want the kill, and not care about how they get it. And honestly, against a superior pilot the HO may be the best option they have to win that particular fight. If they try to out-maneuver the ace their chances of winning the engagement may drop significantly below 50/50. For them the option may not be about whether or not to take the HO, but whether or not they can get the shot off before you do (whether you intended to shoot or not...)
In reality, it's a no-brainer that if you let your opponent get his guns on you he's likely to shoot at you. If you're getting hit, you've screwed up. Who really cares what angle the bullets come from? I think the real reason the HO is such a sore subject is that folks are embarassed by being beaten by the simplist, most basic shot possible, before they're able to put their super-uber maneuvering skills to practice.
The trick is to kill the other guy without getting killed yourself- not to kill the other guy because he was nice enough to not kill you when he had the chance.
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i mean if your just takin off and theres nothin you can do they maybe. but base defending while your up and moving still takes the fun out of it when you HO them. i love watchin them waist 100 rounds of ammo everytime they miss me lol
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See topic under "Head-on-shots" in arena etiquette training section.
May explain some of it.
I Ho while defending base from large amounts of cons or last ditch.
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i wasnt asking for criticism.....and i said in my originol post "Most of us HO at some point" did i not? you can ask AKWoodie..i never lined up for HO on him, think it was Darth2 who got me right after you betty, i never lined up for HO with him. Im sorry im not a perfect little angel in the sky. Granted, i did HO, i didnt hit, and some of those "HO's" on betty, you never had a shot...chill out...DAMN!
i was too busy avoiding ur HO shot....u come on here wanting sympothy. AND AKdogg watched u go for the HO on others like darth and woodie cuz he was in CM eye mode and seen u. its funny that u say "most of us HO at some point" when the only shot u ever took when fighting me in KOTH was the HO shot. u make a post like this AFTER u do the same thing and dont want criticism? come on...... :noid
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i was too busy avoiding ur HO shot....u come on here wanting sympothy. AND AKdogg watched u go for the HO on others like darth and woodie cuz he was in CM eye mode and seen u. its funny that u say "most of us HO at some point" when the only shot u ever took when fighting me in KOTH was the HO shot. u make a post like this AFTER u do the same thing and dont want criticism? come on...... :noid
lol, did the same to me also :rofl Ubs, why don;t you answer your own question? Why do you go for the HO all the time?
Now Betty knows why I said no to the Tiffi :lol It bad enough having to worry about getting picked in there. The last thing I want is having 4 20mms coming straight at me when I am doing 120mph in a Tiff :rofl
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Why is it so popular? Is it just a prefered shot of some, can others just not fight well? Granted, i HO, we all HO at some point (for the most part we all do i should say), however i come across those select few who HO just to HO it seems. Im not saying names, so as not to be hated anymore, but there is that select few. Im not saying that the HO shot is stupid, or that it shouldnt be allowed, Im just asking why its so common. And yes, i understand it was also common in World War II.
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THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION, BUT......
those in fAVOR OF THE HO, will justify themselves by saying that combat pilots used it in r/l. the truth is that those that use it on a regular basis do so for only 2 reasons. 1)no skill(although i personally find it hard to hit in a ho situation), 2)they forget this is a game and want to win the fight no matter what.
me....i ho once the enemy has tried to ho me. sometimes i win it, most times i lose it. i don't like it, as it takes all the fun out of the fight. i come into the game for fun, and an escape from reality. hotards remove the fun from the game about the same as ace pilots do.
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i ho when I'm in a bind, defending a base and outnumbered or if i know i don't have the skill or plane to take down the enemy on other terms!and mostly only if a base capture is inevitable, without such tactics!
i try not to ho when i am at an even or better position in a fight, if i know that the enemy will not do so as well, or if i;m only trolling for kills. in other words if i meet you while flying around, and i have the time , without the threat of a base capture, or some other reason i need to get past you,, i will not ho, unless you turn in to me , then o well! some don't get that,, there are more than one reason to engage in a fight in this game, sometimes its duty to your team,, sometimes its for the pleasure of the fight. if i get a one on one tho, i like the fight alot better than the ho, and if your better than me ( most of you are ) then good fight<>S<> and you won't get the "WTH why the ho" in the text buffer :salute
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Im just asking why its so common.
I have a one word answer for you: Temerity.
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I actually had to look that word up and i have a large vocabulary! It is also a great answer to the HO question. I have HO'd in certain situations like when i am defending a base, I need to blow through a lot of opposition to de ack a base or something like that but in a normal situation i will not HO until HO'd upon.
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Hmm. Anaxagoras I think I still take the cake with the deft use of "Compendium" awhile back... :rofl
People HO more when they stop trying to treat the game more like R/L...like at 2 in the morning when you're glazing at the monitor just pointing at red icons and pulling the trigger... :confused:
I get a special sense of satisfaction when a La-7 dweeb opens up first from 1000 out only to get smoked by my skidding Corsair at 200 :eek:
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When it comes to furballs, I have given up avoiding the HO in the MA.
This rule does not apply in the FSO, snapshots, or AVA. But in the MA, I am not making it MY responsibility to avoid the HO
It opens you up for the guy behind you who is actually trying to get a good shot on you.
If you point your nose at me, I will fire. I will not apologize, please don't expect it. Do not give me excuses. I am tired of hearing them.
I am taking Vicodin
I am drunk
I was trying for a front quarter shot
I am new
You HO'd me.
It is a cartoon plane, I can get another. So can you. Use a towel if you run out of tissues.
I fly all German Iron, so you can rest assured that I will have cannon rounds. If they connect, something of yours is going to break or fall off.
Happy flying. :aok
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Strange isn't it, when its considered more honourable to shoot an opponent in the back. :rofl
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When it comes to furballs, I have given up avoiding the HO in the MA.
This rule does not apply in the FSO, snapshots, or AVA. But in the MA, I am not making it MY responsibility to avoid the HO
It opens you up for the guy behind you who is actually trying to get a good shot on you.
If you point your nose at me, I will fire. I will not apologize, please don't expect it. Do not give me excuses. I am tired of hearing them.
I am taking Vicodin
I am drunk
I was trying for a front quarter shot
I am new
You HO'd me.
It is a cartoon plane, I can get another. So can you. Use a towel if you run out of tissues.
I fly all German Iron, so you can rest assured that I will have cannon rounds. If they connect, something of yours is going to break or fall off.
Happy flying. :aok
Well if you are content with mediocrity(at best) I guess this is fine.. for you. No one who HO's as a matter of course on the merge will ever meet with regular success in the MA.
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just passing through trying to avoid a PNG on this thread :aok
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I was sitting in the tower at a V-base last night with one friendly flying around on the deck. A con flew in, also low, and the friendly turned toward him. I could tell right away he was going to HO and in fact he did on the first pass but the con didn't. They both reversed and headed straight toward one another. One from my 10, the other from my 2. They both HO'd, they both started smoking, they both went down. :rofl
The friendly ends up in the V-base tower; "Thanks for the help guys". :rofl
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Why is it so common? Well, it is the simplist most basic way to get shots on a target. Simply point your plane at what you want to hit, and shoot. Having the other plane turning toward you (and into your guns) makes things that much easier.
As far as being an inefficient way to score kills (50/50 odds at best)- that's actually pretty good odds for a fairly large group out there. Anyone who has less than a 1/1 K/D is doing worse than 50/50...
Why would someone not take the HO shot? An "ace" might avoid the HO for several reasons- 50/50 odds aren't good enough, and he/she'd rather maneuver for a safer position to shoot from, or maybe he/she sees the HO as a "low-skill, beneath my level of expertise" tactic. For someone not all that skilled, those ideas don't really apply. They may just want the kill, and not care about how they get it. And honestly, against a superior pilot the HO may be the best option they have to win that particular fight. If they try to out-maneuver the ace their chances of winning the engagement may drop significantly below 50/50. For them the option may not be about whether or not to take the HO, but whether or not they can get the shot off before you do (whether you intended to shoot or not...)
In reality, it's a no-brainer that if you let your opponent get his guns on you he's likely to shoot at you. If you're getting hit, you've screwed up. Who really cares what angle the bullets come from? I think the real reason the HO is such a sore subject is that folks are embarassed by being beaten by the simplist, most basic shot possible, before they're able to put their super-uber maneuvering skills to practice.
The trick is to kill the other guy without getting killed yourself- not to kill the other guy because he was nice enough to not kill you when he had the chance.
After reading through the posts here I think this summed up the answer to the original posters question. In a lot of cases the HO is the best chance they have of winning that particular engagement. The problem as I see it with this behaviour is that it becomes ultimately a developmental dead end, just like speeding around the arena at 400+ mph. It allows a new pilot a better chance at survival but becomes a crutch to developing the skill set that allows them to take the fight a bit deeper. That requires CONSTRUCTIVE losses in furballs and dogfights, which you can't get by HO-ing on the first merge.
From my own example I learned more about ACM in a couple months flying the relatively slow yet manuverable F6F and not taking the Head-On then I did in my first couple years flying the P-51 because the ability to dump the nose and speed away from the fight was just too tempting for me when I was starting out. The flip side is if I was in the F6F from the get go would have I gotten too frustrated by constantly dying to stick with the game?
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I will pull out the HO only when the situation dictates. Otherwise I avoid it, as it seems that I never get the 50/50 split with the other guy. It seems more like I might get 30% of the wins in this situation. :lol
Situations that I deem HO as a viable tactic are:
1) Outnumbered by enemy cons. Gloves are off when you have more than one aircraft swooping around trying to kill you.
2) The enemy con manuevers to an HO position despite my best efforts to manuever around to a firing solution on their six.
3) The enemy con(s) is between me and the target I intend to put my ordnance on.
4) Defend a line in the sand between the town and an airfield that you are attacking.
I am sure there are some other situations that I may use it, but it very much is a choice of last resort.
Way
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The head on was one of the main tactics used by American pilots, They turned into the attacking aircraft and gave them a face full of 50's and hispanos...common sense. I'll HO anyone attacking from an advantage. I'll use a 190 D9 and HO any bomber. Thats how the German pilots attacked the B17 stream. It worked well.
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The flip side is if I was in the F6F from the get go would have I gotten too frustrated by constantly dying to stick with the game?
quite possibly. i tried the pony, and the p38 to start. couldn't survive long enough to learn anything. that's why i switched to the "dweeb" rides. i don't consider them to be that, although many do. they kept me in the fights long enough to leanr something. then i started moving out to the f6f, and hopefully someday the p38 again.
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The head on was one of the main tactics used by American pilots
It wasn't...
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Well if you are content with mediocrity(at best) I guess this is fine.. for you. No one who HO's as a matter of course on the merge will ever meet with regular success in the MA.
Allow me be more precise.
If a con continues to HO, extend(run), turn around and HO, rinse /repeat, that is OK. I will take my 50/50 chance. It is still better than the odds at the roulette table.
Yes, I am perfectly fine with mediocrity(at best) in the MA, in a cartoon airplane game. If I am not teh uberest at an online game, I can assure you with utmost certainty, that I will still sleep at night.
If I honestly felt like I had to calculate how good my "score" or "rank" was, land kills every sortie, land every plane, etc. I would seriously consider a visit to the therapist.
There are too many defective people that will HO, attempt to HO, or use HO as their only tactic. I can tell you that I am truly amazed when I am involved in, or see a face to face pass where someone does not go directly to guns.
This is usually in the MA.
You are absolutely correct, it may be lame, and I may be lazy. My ACM may suck. All of the above, then again, maybe not.
One could spend 85% of their online time trying to avoid HO's. That is the level of gameplay, in the MA for the majority.
This is why my MA score means nothing. The odds of getting vulched, HO'd, or being the victim of other gamey lameness are much greater. Mostly for the reasons that Waystin has defined I could buy it, but not sheer stupidity.
Believe me, I have tried to believe in and subscribe to some sort of cartoon code of honor. Never did I personally witness much in return.
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The head on was one of the main tactics used by American pilots, They turned into the attacking aircraft and gave them a face full of 50's and hispanos...common sense.
Yep, exactly! Every one with half a brain would volunteer to look down a bunch of 50s and 20mms. You are right! common sense! After all, it is only a PW, and they could get another plane after they were sent to the tower by their opponents guns
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These US tactics were used against inferior or weaker craft, such as Japanese fighters. Either the US plane had a nice bulletproof shield (the engine) to protect the pilot, or they relied on the greater range of US 50cals to damage/destroy/kill the Japanese fighter before its lighter arms could damage the US plane (as was done on P-40s often)
Against LW planes is another matter. I've seen gun cam footage of P-51s that attempted this vs. 109s. They paid for it heavily.
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mtnman....my thoughts exactly. :aok
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These US tactics were used against inferior or weaker craft, such as Japanese fighters. Either the US plane had a nice bulletproof shield (the engine) to protect the pilot, or they relied on the greater range of US 50cals to damage/destroy/kill the Japanese fighter before its lighter arms could damage the US plane (as was done on P-40s often)
Against LW planes is another matter. I've seen gun cam footage of P-51s that attempted this vs. 109s. They paid for it heavily.
The other thing to note was that a lot of the pilots in the Pacific theater were instructed not to "dogfight" the more maneuverable Japanese planes.
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It wasn't...
It certainly was.. When attacked from above, do not evade, turn into attacker. Per the man himself Mr. Volke.
Only two main tactics. When attacking from above stay engaged only as long as you can pull lead. Then dive away use superior speed in shallow climb. turn, rinse, repeat. The other is turn into attacker.
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To those who complain about the HO but have to tell everyone that they are to good to resort to the HO:
If you are a good enough stick to maneuver around behind me, then I don't see what the problem is. The HO is probably the most easily avoidable maneuver there is. If you are good enough to get on my six but not good enough to avoid a HO then you have a problem. Quit whining about it, deal with it, and move on. If you avoid the HO, use it to your advantage to get angles and, get a kill then what do you have to complain about? Oh now I see what it is. You are in a plane with .303's or some other small armament and the guy hoing you has cannons. Now it makes perfect sense. You are put in a disadvantageous position by your opponent, using the strengths of his plane, against the weaknesses of yours. Now I get it. That cheating arse-hole, using his cannons to fire on you, knowing you only have .303's. Now see, I thought the whole idea of aerial combat was to use your strengths to your advantage and know the weaknesses of your opponent. I guess from now on anytime a Zero gets on the six of a 190d9, the guy in the 190 should get into a turn-fight with Zero, I mean at least then the 190 would be playing into the strengths of the Zero, I mean that would be the honorable thing to do, right? You would be a butt-hole to use the strengths of the 190 and hit the deck and extend out, right? Basically what I'm trying to say through sarcasm is, if you don't like getting HOed, avoid the HO. And if you don't avoid it, all I have to say is: "AWWWW Muffin, it's ok. Would you like a tissue or maybe a cookie? Would that make you feel better." :devil And BTW if anyone is offended or angry by this post please refer to the above. I honestly don't care anymore to hear your hypocrisy.
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I can assure you with utmost certainty, that I will still sleep at night.
No one mentioned that one should become obsessed, this is moot.
If I honestly felt like I had to calculate how good my "score" or "rank" was, land kills every sortie, land every plane, etc. I would seriously consider a visit to the therapist.
I never mentioned score. It is exponentially more satisfying to outmaneuver/out smart an opponent for the victory than it is to merely point and click. The game is more enjoyable this way... you play it to enjoy it, right? There's simply no challenge to Ho'ing. I can teach my two year olds to log in, select a base, roll a plane and grab til there is someone to HO.
Other things you are right about though.. I'd bet 90% of people HO on the merge, completely content to die as they try to get one kill. These people are missing out on the fun of merge, moves and counter moves. They miss out on the fun stuff like dogfighting a guy while keeping tabs on your environament(SA). You don't have to be a better pilot to win, sometimes you can out fox your foe. They miss out on the chess match of a furball and the innumerable variables that come at a pilot in the middle of one.
Implying you are mediocre wasn't a good way to ge my point across, I apologize. My point is as above, the "HO first" guys in the game are missing out on the stuff that is the most fun, most challenging/rewarding.
Guys like grimwulf. They don't get it, and probably never will because they think that anyone discussing Ho'ers is whining. I think they hide behind this ruse about saying people are whining to cover for their own inability to learn the more sophisitcated parts of the game. These kind of people miss out on a ton of fun too. They also mistakenly think that a cannon bird has an advantage in a HO. Neither plane has an advantage. . One could HO in a MG only plane and detroy the other guys just as easily. It is very rare that both planes fire and one wins without being crippled as well. Like I said, I could teach my two year olds to do this, in about 10 minutes.
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It certainly was..
It certainly wasn't
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Obviously I don't get it. :aok. The Head-On Merge is a maneuver just like any other. I just don't see the difference between this and a Split-S. I realize that it takes almost no skill to perform a HO but again if it is such an easy, newb move then avoid it and kill the sucker that Hoed you. :lol
All that being said the HO is a maneuver that I seldom use. Mostly I use it on bombers because this where they are most vulnerable. That is not dweeby but using my opponents weaknesses against him. I don't like my odds in the fighter v fighter instances and that is why I don't use it. But, when I see guns twinkling at 1k out from someone trying to HO me, I use a tried and true method, (At least for me) to avoid it. Pull up just enough to make opponent think that I am going to engage in the HO, then roll 135 degrees the left, pull up on stick, continue pulling through horizontal because I know that the HOer will most likely go up and to his left in a modified high yo-yo, right through my crosshairs. The extra split second I moved before him while he was still setting up the shot gave me the chance to get a guns solution to his future location before he gets there. At that point its pretty much spray and pray. :lol I hope that makes sense. I am terrible at describing ACM. :rofl
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Obviously I don't get it. :aok. The Head-On Merge is a maneuver just like any other. I just don't see the difference between this and a Split-S. I realize that it takes almost no skill to perform a HO but again if it is such an easy, newb move then avoid it and kill the sucker that Hoed you. :lol
how ever, ive been hod by people, avoided the HO for a fight (hopefully), only to see that it was someone who would have beat me even if they didnt HO me, they got right on my 6, and since they wer better ( and i suck) they killed me easy. my originol post was hopefully going to ask, indirectly, why do some of the better sticks HO? and as Steve said, if i read it right:
No one mentioned that one should become obsessed, this is moot.
I never mentioned score. It is exponentially more satisfying to outmaneuver/out smart an opponent for the victory than it is to merely point and click. The game is more enjoyable this way... you play it to enjoy it, right? There's simply no challenge to Ho'ing. I can teach my two year olds to log in, select a base, roll a plane and grab til there is someone to HO.
Other things you are right about though.. I'd bet 90% of people HO on the merge, completely content to die as they try to get one kill. These people are missing out on the fun of merge, moves and counter moves. They miss out on the fun stuff like dogfighting a guy while keeping tabs on your environament(SA). You don't have to be a better pilot to win, sometimes you can out fox your foe. They miss out on the chess match of a furball and the innumerable variables that come at a pilot in the middle of one.
Implying you are mediocre wasn't a good way to ge my point across, I apologize. My point is as above, the "HO first" guys in the game are missing out on the stuff that is the most fun, most challenging/rewarding.
Guys like grimwulf. They don't get it, and probably never will because they think that anyone discussing Ho'ers is whining. I think they hide behind this ruse about saying people are whining to cover for their own inability to learn the more sophisitcated parts of the game. These kind of people miss out on a ton of fun too. They also mistakenly think that a cannon bird has an advantage in a HO. Neither plane has an advantage. . One could HO in a MG only plane and detroy the other guys just as easily. It is very rare that both planes fire and one wins without being crippled as well. Like I said, I could teach my two year olds to do this, in about 10 minutes.
this i completly agree about. anyone can HO and ruin the fun of the game. However, while on the HO, you risk damage to your plane, win or lose, and almost always will have damage to your plane. I just dont understand fully why some people, almost always, go right for the HO. is it simply because they cant die theyre rank is more important than fun of a game? they are afraid of being out fought? they want to ruin the fun of a game for others just so that they can get kills and game the game?
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I try my best to avoid a HO and try my best never to HO Someone on purpose. Fact of the matter is the only way some people can get a kill is to HO. It's easy to avoid them, where there 800 to 600 out dive down(hard) to the left or right and climb back over and roll right on there six. Works for me well about 95% of the time they will not get a ping on me. I look at it like this, 1v1 i dont HO, 2v1 ill take a few pop shots if they present themselves. Anything after a 2v1 ill start HOing.
You should always expect someone to HO you and be prepared to break down and away. After you reverse on them, they will probably dive to the deck or climb. Some cases they will turn and it's an easy kill for you. If you want some help uber give me a call, you have my number.
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I think we need a support group...
... like...
HOer's Anonymous
Hi, my name is BaldEagl and I used to HO. :uhoh
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I try my best to avoid a HO and try my best never to HO Someone on purpose. Fact of the matter is the only way some people can get a kill is to HO. It's easy to avoid them, where there 800 to 600 out dive down(hard) to the left or right and climb back over and roll right on there six. Works for me well about 95% of the time they will not get a ping on me. I look at it like this, 1v1 i dont HO, 2v1 ill take a few pop shots if they present themselves. Anything after a 2v1 ill start HOing.
You should always expect someone to HO you and be prepared to break down and away. After you reverse on them, they will probably dive to the deck or climb. Some cases they will turn and it's an easy kill for you. If you want some help uber give me a call, you have my number.
you may be getting a call from me soon enough Vans. TY for your generousity to spend time hepling me Vans. :salute Hope your dad continues to get better!
I think we need a support group...
... like...
HOer's Anonymous
Hi, my name is BaldEagl and I used to HO. :uhoh
:rofl :rofl
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I think we need a support group...
... like...
HOer's Anonymous
Hi, my name is BaldEagl and I used to HO. :uhoh
HA HA i used to Ho my first two weeks back when i flew a n1k.But now if a fly a n1k i need to shower after, and the bird i love only has 50 cal's so Ho'ing is what i dont need.
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I knew a guy he played IL2, he said that there was a 'duel hartman mission'...
Hartman's opening move in the duel: He would come straight at him firing (HO'ing), but doing a spiral / corkscrew move. I've never seen anyone do that in the MA, too hard to aim I guess...
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I knew a guy he played IL2, he said that there was a 'duel hartman mission'...
Hartman's opening move in the duel: He would come straight at him firing (HO'ing), but doing a spiral / corkscrew move. I've never seen anyone do that in the MA, too hard to aim I guess...
i have to posible reasons, though they may not be true (1) you run through ammo and hurt your accuracy, some things people cant live without is a 60% accuracy! and (2) you cant get as many kills spraying all your ammo for 1 kill head-on. just how i feel about why you dont see this in the MA :salute
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It certainly was.. When attacked from above, do not evade, turn into attacker. Per the man himself Mr. Volke.
Only two main tactics. When attacking from above stay engaged only as long as you can pull lead. Then dive away use superior speed in shallow climb. turn, rinse, repeat. The other is turn into attacker.
No it wasn't ... don't be foolish.
As Krusty pointed out ... the Americans used the "HO", mainly, against planes they knew that had guns that could not "outreach" the M2 .50 cal.
They would fire a stream of .50 cals way before the enemy had them in guns range, but they hardly ever flew, bearing down on their enemy constantly firing until they reached cockpit to cockpit. I don't care who you are and what set of balls you may have, in real life, you don't fly straight into any bullet stream at close range ... unless you have a death wish ... and I will bet the ranch that %99.99999999 of the American pilots wanted to come home eventually.
"When attacked from above, do not evade, turn into attacker." ... Yeah ... turn into him ... that doesn't mean fire nose to nose until you ALMOST collide. Turning into your attacker, which is true in this game too, gives you many more opportunities to setup and/or spoil angles.
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Turning into your attacker, which is true in this game too, gives you many more opportunities to setup and/or spoil angles.
Very good point Sir! :aok
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If there is no way out of it and ONLY if the opposing person fires first will I pump out a few rounds. I will try to avoid the HO whenever the situation arises.
I love it when the enemy will avoid the easy kill and actually dogfight with me.
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I love it when the enemy will avoid the easy kill and actually dogfight with me.
SAME HERE......
problem is that it's STILL an easy kill if he doesn't ho me, as i'm a 3 year noob :rofl
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Never post a thread and "expect NO criticism." Sorry, playing the role of wounded puppy won't fly.
Wounded puppies only feed the troll :noid
Personally, unless it's an F4U or a P-38, I will HO it. Because I cannot find many good pilots outside of those 2 planes. I have found good fights elsewhere, but most pilots I find worth fighting are in those 2.
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It wasn't...
It was..... and was taught as a defensive manuver to P-38 pilots vs a Zeke on their 6 because of the 38's fire power.
Bolic's dicta also taught to turn into your attacker.
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I expect for the enemy to HO me at every possible opportunity and I am rarely suprised.
The HO is all they KNOW.
ROX
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It was..... and was taught as a defensive manuver to P-38 pilots vs a Zeke on their 6 because of the 38's fire power.
Bolic's dicta also taught to turn into your attacker.
Correct and wrong.
Correct: The head on WAS taught in certain limited plane matchups. (i.e. p38 vs. zeke. bombers with no nose gunner etc...) For the most part this does not apply to flying/fighting in AcesHigh where putting yourself in front of the nme guns is just plain stupid.
Wrong: As was already stated (this thread? other thread?) turning into your attacker isn't advocating a Head On firing pass. Not sure why you think it means this, but far from it. It has to do with position.
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Why is it so popular?
It's fun, especially the whines on 200... BONUS!
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think we need a support group...
... like...
HOer's Anonymous
Hi, my name is BaldEagl and I used to HO.
:lol :lol :lol
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Why is it so common? Well, it is the simplist most basic way to get shots on a target. Simply point your plane at what you want to hit, and shoot. Having the other plane turning toward you (and into your guns) makes things that much easier.
As far as being an inefficient way to score kills (50/50 odds at best)- that's actually pretty good odds for a fairly large group out there. Anyone who has less than a 1/1 K/D is doing worse than 50/50...
Why would someone not take the HO shot? An "ace" might avoid the HO for several reasons-
I've been HOd by the uberest pilots multple times--> :rofl I don't think being HOd is the issue, we all expect it from lesser skilled folks, but when the text reads it was someone of skill " as it does far too often " then this is where the contention comes from! IMHO
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No it wasn't ... don't be foolish.
As Krusty pointed out ... the Americans used the "HO", mainly, against planes they knew that had guns that could not "outreach" the M2 .50 cal.
LOL krusty HOs like a 2bit street walker :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Personally, unless it's an F4U or a P-38, I will HO it.
And now you know why many of us consider you nothing more than your typical skilless HO'tard.
ack-ack
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Wounded puppies only feed the troll :noid
Personally, unless it's an F4U or a P-38, I will HO it. Because I cannot find many good pilots outside of those 2 planes. I have found good fights elsewhere, but most pilots I find worth fighting are in those 2.
HOtard
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HOtard
was thinkin same thing :O :D
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Personally, unless it's an F4U or a P-38, I will HO it.
Thats a lie....i have film somewhere of you hoing me 4 or 5 times in one sortie while i was in a 38 :aok
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was thinkin same thing :O :D
i know u heard that story about a pot and a kettle.....if the shoe fits wear it.
u know....it makes me mad that someone that does the SAME DAMN THING comes on the BBS cryin bout "whaaaaaaaaaa they HO'd me" when they do the same damn thing! your best bet uberslet aka UBS is to just be quiet cuz u have NO room to talk at all about HOtards.
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In my opinion, a HO is acceptable when your being ganged by two or more that are setting you up for the pick, if you cant bring the fight alone then who really is the skilless dweeb. Many hide behind others to get the kills and if someone HO's you in that situation they are tyring to equal the odds and you are leaving them with no other choice.
While one attacking con is climbing the other is manuevering for your six, when you come around to engage the other will come down on you, this may go on for some time until you time the merge enough on one of them to get the shot, usually in that situation you will only have the opportunity to get that shot on the merge and it ends up being a HO and this is further complicated by the amount of attacking cons that are setting you up for the pick.
I usually try to avoid the HO, but its rare to find a 1vs1 anymore and when I do find one I try to avoid it and enjoy the fight, however there are the times when you find a 1vs1 and immediatley they go for the HO, thats not acceptable.
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This period also saw the German fighters begin to make head-on attacks against the B-17s. These involved a great deal of skill and nerve on the part of the fighter pilot, but it had three big advantages. First, a frontal attack was more likely to do critical damage to a bomber, hitting the pilot’s cockpit. Second, the bomber pilot would be more likely to take evasive action, breaking up the defensive formations that were at the heart of the American plan. Finally, the B-17 was virtually defenseless against frontal assaults, with a single machine gun in the nose. The more modern B-17Fs also carried two cheek guns, but they couldn’t fire straight forward until bulged gun positions were added later in the production run.
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i know u heard that story about a pot and a kettle.....if the shoe fits wear it.
u know....it makes me mad that someone that does the SAME DAMN THING comes on the BBS cryin bout "whaaaaaaaaaa they HO'd me" when they do the same damn thing! your best bet uberslet aka UBS is to just be quiet cuz u have NO room to talk at all aboutHOtards
verybody knows im Ubs, what do i care if you say iot on the bbs, its my signiture as is. and i can save all myvfilms with fights, send them to your email, and prove i rarly ever HO, and if i do its only because the other person HOs. occasionally i will ho a zeke in my f4u, or another f4u just out of boredom, or if a squad mate is perk ride and cant fight the other con cause they dont want to, or have no ammo, no fuel, what ever i will usualyly HO there, but even thats rare, however normally i allow other person to shoot first. and if you have a problem about how i fly betty, why should it effect everyone who doesnt seem to care?
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This period also saw the German fighters begin to make head-on attacks against the B-17s. These involved a great deal of skill and nerve on the part of the fighter pilot, but it had three big advantages. First, a frontal attack was more likely to do critical damage to a bomber, hitting the pilot’s cockpit. Second, the bomber pilot would be more likely to take evasive action, breaking up the defensive formations that were at the heart of the American plan. Finally, the B-17 was virtually defenseless against frontal assaults, with a single machine gun in the nose. The more modern B-17Fs also carried two cheek guns, but they couldn’t fire straight forward until bulged gun positions were added later in the production run.
Any this proves what ? ... seeing that we are discussing fighter plane vs fighter plane
Plus, who the heck wouldn't go HO with a bomber that doesn't have any forward firing guns or very ineffective forward firing guns ... not the same risk vs a fighter with 4/6/8 .50 cals, cannons or a mixture of both.
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verybody knows im Ubs, what do i care if you say iot on the bbs, its my signiture as is. and i can save all myvfilms with fights, send them to your email, and prove i rarly ever HO, and if i do its only because the other person HOs. occasionally i will ho a zeke in my f4u, or another f4u just out of boredom, or if a squad mate is perk ride and cant fight the other con cause they dont want to, or have no ammo, no fuel, what ever i will usualyly HO there, but even thats rare, however normally i allow other person to shoot first. and if you have a problem about how i fly betty, why should it effect everyone who doesnt seem to care?
i could care less on how u fly. however dont come on the bbs blowin off that some one HO'd u when u do the same thing. i have my films from KOTH and IF you like i can send them to u showing u that NOT ONCE did i take a HO shot, matter of fact i kept doin nothing but avoid your HO attempts. callin someone else a HOtard is just like the pot callin the kettle black....
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Head ons are a part of the game.... Ya gotta live with em. Should a zero be ho'ing a p38? Well... I guess if you want to fine, but it's not a smart choice. Just like trying to HO an A-20 in a P-51. Not a smart idea... You can almost always avoid an HO if you'd like, so don't be complaining about it. If you get killed from HOs, why don't you ask yourself first, why you were HO'ing. Secondly, maybe analyze the previous situation: Maybe the plane overpowered you with his/her guns? Mostly that's the case. Now collisions are a little different. I won't speak on those, but collisions are something that can be avoided most of the time, but those that collide often are those who try to collide often.
Boxboy will probably come in here and state that I am "wrong" about what I have said. It's his opinion. If you have the firepower over the opposing plane, I say why not HO? It's to your advantage!
That's like saying going all in with pocket Aces in Texas Hold'em is wrong in a No Limit game. It's not wrong, it's to his or her advantage given the situation. And that's what HO'ing is like: Poker. It's like saying, here's me and my hand. I'm going all in. You can call it or fold, that's your choice. If you call it, be prepared.
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a question out of curiousity? we all know that what i see on my monitor is not the same as what you see on yours at that same moment in time.
is there a possibility that there could be enough of a difference that what appears as not being a ho to one player will appear as such on the other players monitor?
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This period also saw the German fighters begin to make head-on attacks against the B-17s...The more modern B-17Fs also carried two cheek guns, but they couldn’t fire straight forward until bulged gun positions were added later in the production run.
Those same head-on attacks eventually lead to the addition of the chin turret in the B-17G to further bolster the defense against the head-on attack.
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And now you know why many of us consider you nothing more than your typical skilless HO'tard.
ack-ack
Get over it. :lol
It happens to every one. You even backed down when I offered you a 2nd fight and said sorry. So... uh... again. Sorry. :salute
Thats a lie....i have film somewhere of you hoing me 4 or 5 times in one sortie while i was in a 38 :aok
I'm not that bad of a shot! I bet once! Because after then, you'd just turn around and kill me! :) Unless I was in a Hurri 2c (which I havent flown since January or Febuary), I doubt I coulda pulled off 5 HOs. PM me the film plz :) :salute :salute
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Head ons are a part of the game.... Ya gotta live with em. Should a zero be ho'ing a p38? Well... I guess if you want to fine, but it's not a smart choice. Just like trying to HO an A-20 in a P-51. Not a smart idea... You can almost always avoid an HO if you'd like, so don't be complaining about it. If you get killed from HOs, why don't you ask yourself first, why you were HO'ing. Secondly, maybe analyze the previous situation: Maybe the plane overpowered you with his/her guns? Mostly that's the case. Now collisions are a little different. I won't speak on those, but collisions are something that can be avoided most of the time, but those that collide often are those who try to collide often.
Boxboy will probably come in here and state that I am "wrong" about what I have said. It's his opinion. If you have the firepower over the opposing plane, I say why not HO? It's to your advantage!
That's like saying going all in with pocket Aces in Texas Hold'em is wrong in a No Limit game. It's not wrong, it's to his or her advantage given the situation. And that's what HO'ing is like: Poker. It's like saying, here's me and my hand. I'm going all in. You can call it or fold, that's your choice. If you call it, be prepared.
Exactly.
It's gambling.
There is the (good) chance that you gonna loose.
Let me rephrase what you said. Head On's are like going All In Pre-Flop. There is always a chance you gonna loose no matter what your hold cards. (I lost going All In last night pre-flop with pocket Aces to a noob with a 2 6) Using ACM and getting on the nme's 6 to kill them is like having A K suited and seeing Q J 10 of the same suit on the flop. You can't loose.
I for one "try" to fly like it is "real life" in a way. (kinda) I for one don't like to gamble with my life. A head on is a gamble. I've seen 110g2's die to a C202 in a HO before. Heck, i've seen 190 A8's die to collisions on C47's trying to Ho them. With a head on, there is always decent chance you gonna loose.
Even if you "win" the HO you will probably end up damaged. So while you may have won the gamble, the NEXT guy is gonna kill ya' easy.
In other words it's a dumb play.
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Exactly.
It's gambling.
There is the (good) chance that you gonna loose.
Let me rephrase what you said. Head On's are like going All In Pre-Flop. There is always a chance you gonna loose no matter what your hold cards. (I lost going All In last night pre-flop with pocket Aces to a noob with a 2 6) Using ACM and getting on the nme's 6 to kill them is like having A K suited and seeing Q J 10 of the same suit on the flop. You can't loose.
I for one "try" to fly like it is "real life" in a way. (kinda) I for one don't like to gamble with my life. A head on is a gamble. I've seen 110g2's die to a C202 in a HO before. Heck, i've seen 190 A8's die to collisions on C47's trying to Ho them. With a head on, there is always decent chance you gonna loose.
Even if you "win" the HO you will probably end up damaged. So while you may have won the gamble, the NEXT guy is gonna kill ya' easy.
In other words it's a dumb play.
Thank you for rephrasing my initial suggestion there WMLute. It has more clarity and meaning now =) I do somewhat disagree with you in your last sentence. I find it hard to believe that when going up against an attack plane like an A20, IL2, and the like, with a bunch of armor and some heavy guns, that a fighter like a zero, f6f, p51, any plane that has minimal armor and a greatly reduced gun package would still be a 50-50 decision. Most of the time I've HOed in Il2s or A20s, I come out on top and sometimes with no damage or very very little.
Thanks again for going along with my suggestion and clarification.
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Get over it. :lol
It happens to every one. You even backed down when I offered you a 2nd fight and said sorry. So... uh... again. Sorry. :salute
Back down? Hardly, I just refuse to fight someone that lacks any skill to do anything other than HO. By your own posts you admit that is what you usually do when you enter into a fight. So ask yourself, why should I waste my time on a HO'tard that won't give any resemblance of a decent fight? You are the epitomy of a skilless HO'tard that has brought the game play down in here. Congatulations, you've just entered into Tool status.
ack-ack
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Thank you for rephrasing my initial suggestion there WMLute. It has more clarity and meaning now =) I do somewhat disagree with you in your last sentence. I find it hard to believe that when going up against an attack plane like an A20, IL2, and the like, with a bunch of armor and some heavy guns, that a fighter like a zero, f6f, p51, any plane that has minimal armor and a greatly reduced gun package would still be a 50-50 decision. Most of the time I've HOed in Il2s or A20s, I come out on top and sometimes with no damage or very very little.
Thanks again for going along with my suggestion and clarification.
It doesn't matter if it's not 50-50. Both planes rarely come out undamaged if both fire. Even if you "win" the HO, chances are you are not going to be in good fighting condition after the HO. This makes the claim that HO is a "valid tactic" false.
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If he comes head-on at me.....Im HOin....... :O
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Thank you for rephrasing my initial suggestion there WMLute. It has more clarity and meaning now =) I do somewhat disagree with you in your last sentence. I find it hard to believe that when going up against an attack plane like an A20, IL2, and the like, with a bunch of armor and some heavy guns, that a fighter like a zero, f6f, p51, any plane that has minimal armor and a greatly reduced gun package would still be a 50-50 decision. Most of the time I've HOed in Il2s or A20s, I come out on top and sometimes with no damage or very very little.
Thanks again for going along with my suggestion and clarification.
So you are ok with risking your "life" over a 50/50 decision? 60/40? Even 70/30. If there is a 30% chance you are going to die, is that an "acceptable" risk? Why not learn ACM and not make it a gamble?
What about the risk of being damaged? How long you gonna stay alive w/ that oil/rad/pilot wound hit? Ok, you "won" the HO and now are missing an Aileron. What hapens with the next nme that comes at you? Your odds of living just significantly dropped. IMHO even if you just are only damaged from the HO in the end it is what probably killed you. (what Steve said above)
I will move the Head On from "dumb" to "desperate" move. I was fighting Kappa the other night and never considered a HO. We went at it for a good 15min back/forth. Then two other bad guys came in and I ended up HO'n Kappa during the ensuing 3 on 1 and killing 'em. It was a "desperate" move on my part to try and stay alive.
I am not saying I don't/won't ho. It's just suuuuuper rare and only in limited situations. (i'm ganged about to die. nme is flying at my Goon about to drop. squaddied flying at me w/ bad guy on his 6 seconds away from dying.)
I will say that using it as an "opening" move is "dumb".
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i could care less on how u fly. however dont come on the bbs blowin off that some one HO'd u when u do the same thing. i have my films from KOTH and IF you like i can send them to u showing u that NOT ONCE did i take a HO shot, matter of fact i kept doin nothing but avoid your HO attempts. callin someone else a HOtard is just like the pot callin the kettle black....
did i ever once say your didnt avoid the posible HO's? did i ever once say that i was critisizing someone else? shoe me proof that im criticizing someone for thier shots, i havnt said so much as a peep about names that i get hod by continously. you can think what you want of me betty, and keep biotching because we dont make every other player happy, but i, honestly, just lost SOOOO much respect for you. im done with you, can i have a squelch list on here?
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Well, for fresh new guys, it's the only time they'll ever get you in their sights, and many go on to decide that's good enough for them ;)
Thats it in a nut shell.Its the ONLY time they will come close to a guns solution.
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Essentially yeah. I personally try to avoid the HO as much as possible due to the fact that its usually a 50/50 chance of winning. Most new pilots will do it because its the only chance they'll ever have to actually kill somebody because they never bothered to learn how to aim.
I personally SUCK at it so avoid it as much as possible (as I already stated)
and whats up guys. I'm back :devil
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Back down? Hardly, I just refuse to fight someone that lacks any skill to do anything other than HO. By your own posts you admit that is what you usually do when you enter into a fight. So ask yourself, why should I waste my time on a HO'tard that won't give any resemblance of a decent fight? You are the epitomy of a skilless HO'tard that has brought the game play down in here. Congatulations, you've just entered into Tool status.
ack-ack
What makes my one time HO'ing you any different than probably the 1000 other times other people have HO'd you? Seems kinda like a sign of immaturity to me. I usually try to stay layed back. You seem to enter the 'eff you!' status when I try to be nice, as any other person.
You gonna give me my fight? I'm not overreacting like you are.
:salute :salute
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Mtnman, while I think you nail it as far as newbies and why they HO (and realistically have a better chance doing so), I have to disagree with the part where you say:
I think the real reason the HO is such a sore subject is that folks are embarassed by being beaten by the simplist, most basic shot possible, before they're able to put their super-uber maneuvering skills to practice.
On any given week where I have time to fly extensively, I'm facing hundreds of hot first merges (I make it pretty clear I am not going to fire on them). I get pinged with significant damage, or shot down, on maybe 5% of those. That's nothing to be embarrassed about, IMO.
Now on a week where I have time to fly extensively, that's also nothing to get upset about. So what, grab another plane, they're free and all.
But on a week where I DON'T have time to fly extensively, that changes. If I only have a half an hour or so to play, and I spend 6-10 minutes of that climbing to alt and getting to the bad guy, and I happen to get shot down on that particular first merge, it frustrates me, and I don't think that's an unreasonable reaction. If it's a newbie, I keep my mouth shut. If it's a vet, I do my best to keep it to myself, but I am human...
Let's put it this way... I'm flying out to a Penguins game this March... I only get to see them play at home once every few years. If I show up and they don't show up, I'm going to be frustrated by it. OTOH, if I was watching at home from TV, it wouldn't really bother me.
(I realize I'm talking about a hot merge here and not a true HO solution, but I'll bet a large portion of the complaints are about the hot merge in the first place, and the HO is half my fault anyway).
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Correct and wrong.
Correct: The head on WAS taught in certain limited plane matchups. (i.e. p38 vs. zeke. bombers with no nose gunner etc...) For the most part this does not apply to flying/fighting in AcesHigh where putting yourself in front of the nme guns is just plain stupid.
Wrong: As was already stated (this thread? other thread?) turning into your attacker isn't advocating a Head On firing pass. Not sure why you think it means this, but far from it. It has to do with position.
What I was saying Lute was that alot of guys when turning into the attack will take the HO shot if presented, the problem with our discussion of HO's is that most of the guys think ANY front aspect shot is a Head On when it is not (as I am sure you know). There is a difference in a furball when you break turn to avoid one guy and find his buddy flying right at you, you instintively fire on him in self defense. On th other hand if you avoid and intentionally go for the front aspect shot because you have a cannon bird and think you can win it, is another issue (plane vs plane thing).
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Cos I've got no other chance - so if ya get in front of me guns, I'm ashooting
Ner
:D
Wurzel
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I'm not that bad of a shot! I bet once! Because after then, you'd just turn around and kill me! :) Unless I was in a Hurri 2c (which I havent flown since January or Febuary), I doubt I coulda pulled off 5 HOs. PM me the film plz :) :salute :salute
You know what fight im talking about...i was fighting 3 of yas...you and TwoDogs were ho monsters in the gang fest.
you said. "sorry BP,if i knew it was you i wouldnt have shot"
remember now? :aok :D
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Oh yea, I do... Back in June right? :salute
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I Ho'ed the cr@p out of a guy last night,he was in a 51 about 15 k at speed i was in a jug about 5 k not yet up to speed, he kept turning into me and i gladly turned nose on him and blew my 50's off till he went boom.To be fair the guy sucked i later tried to fight him one on one co alt and he ran 25 miles so he could run me through his ack 4 times,till i got bored and went home.And as bad as i want to shout out his name to the world i wont.
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I Ho'ed the cr@p out of a guy last night,he was in a 51 about 15 k at speed i was in a jug about 5 k not yet up to speed, he kept turning into me and i gladly turned nose on him and blew my 50's off till he went boom.To be fair the guy sucked i later tried to fight him one on one co alt and he ran 25 miles so he could run me through his ack 4 times,till i got bored and went home.And as bad as i want to shout out his name to the world i wont.
Say it!!! Say it!!!! ;)
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There are some planes (190's, 110's) where it's the best chance they have. Only an idiot would try to HO a 110.
For turn fighters, it seems pretty dumb to HO when if you want to KILL them without giving them a chance of them killing you, a HO is the worst choice of moves.
Example: I'm in a Jug and get a 1 v 1 with another Jug. The guy attempts to HO me 9 successive times. I kill him and he salutes me. No salute for the HOtard.
I don't think it's so much the angst about the HO is that it seems on Aces High the last couple of years...it's "The HO is all they know". It takes no skills whatsoever to HO, no ACM, no tactics...just HO. I see 95% of the folks I come up against try it as their move of choice.
Those who say that the HO is a valid tactic ARE correct, it's just that R/L fighter tactics (including Manfred von Richthofen) avoided the HO at all costs after it nearly got him killed. Others weren't so lucky.
Our screen goes red and we end up in the tower ready to fly again.
Others have said it ad nauseum before--the HO is easy to avoid. You can even do a slight maneuver that gets YOU out of the line of fire while you get to HO THEM. We practice it in squad training.
Live by the HO die by the HO. The odds & probabilities on surviving a HO (if that's all you know) are 50-50.
Anyone who complains about being HO'ed because they got killed by it is a putz.
ROX
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The HO sucks. Yesterday I got HO'd by a Yak while in a IL2. The funny thing was it was just me and the Yak up and this guy couldn't figure out how to beat an IL2 while flying such a fine fighter without HO'ing and ramming.
Then later I sort of HOd another spit. The thing is I'm old and dont see the screen so well. I really thought I was simply gaining on his 6 when I was actually merging and by instinct pulled the trigger when he was on top of me. I almost felt bad afterwards cause I prefer fights to play out.
One thing I dont expect is for someone to not take a deflection shot. Deflection shots are perfectly sound and the guy who gets in that position and takes it deserves the win. This "everythings an HO unless its a perfect 6 shot" thing is silly.
But every now and again, maybe once or twice a month, you meet a 1 on 1 with a guy who's tuned on you like you are to him. Instinctively you both pass on HOs and even deflections and let the thing play out to the perfect end........
Now THAT is Aces High at its best. Its very rare and meant to be savored. And a <S> is ALWAYS exchanged win or lose.
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There are some planes (190's, 110's) where it's the best chance they have. Only an idiot would try to HO a 110.
Looks like the game is full of them :rofl
Not the best chance a 110 has thoguh
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The HO sucks. Yesterday I got HO'd by a Yak while in a IL2. The funny thing was it was just me and the Yak up and this guy couldn't figure out how to beat an IL2 while flying such a fine fighter without HO'ing and ramming.
Then later I sort of HOd another spit. The thing is I'm old and dont see the screen so well. I really thought I was simply gaining on his 6 when I was actually merging and by instinct pulled the trigger when he was on top of me. I almost felt bad afterwards cause I prefer fights to play out.
One thing I dont expect is for someone to not take a deflection shot. Deflection shots are perfectly sound and the guy who gets in that position and takes it deserves the win. This "everythings an HO unless its a perfect 6 shot" thing is silly.
But every now and again, maybe once or twice a month, you meet a 1 on 1 with a guy who's tuned on you like you are to him. Instinctively you both pass on HOs and even deflections and let the thing play out to the perfect end........
Now THAT is Aces High at its best. Its very rare and meant to be savored. And a <S> is ALWAYS exchanged win or lose.
LOL being "old" and with poor eyesight due to age, I can relate to this post many times I have mistaken a guy coming at me for going the "other" way :D
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There are some planes (190's, 110's) where it's the best chance they have. Only an idiot would try to HO a 110.
Really? You should have seen the Zeke I lit up from his six while mini-furballing in a 110 last night then.
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Wow, 7 pages already on the HO, Wonder if this thread can break 10 by Friday? :)
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Wow, 7 pages already on the HO, Wonder if this thread can break 10 by Friday? :)
Friday? By tomorrow AM :rofl
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I don't care how many threads are started about HO's, the fact remains that a large percentage of the player base doesn't visit the forums. So as the thread may all be in agreement that HO = bad, the random Joe to find in the MA is thinking "OMG I actually have a shot on a plane" and thus a HO has occurred.
I get a warm fuzzy feeling when an enemy flies by me in the MA and nobody is pulling the trigger.
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I don't care how many threads are started about HO's, the fact remains that a large percentage of the player base doesn't visit the forums. So as the thread may all be in agreement that HO = bad, the random Joe to find in the MA is thinking "OMG I actually have a shot on a plane" and thus a HO has occurred.
I get a warm fuzzy feeling when an enemy flies by me in the MA and nobody is pulling the trigger.
yaknow? that's a really good point. seriously it is.
the thing i've noticed lately if/when i do take damage from a ho, it's really not anymore. i usually try to dodge em..unless i'm 99% sure they're gonna fire. i tend to try n go under em, with a little rudder kicked in. they still land hits on me, and if/when i say anything sarcastic like " hotard", they come bck with the "it wasn't a ho" argument....and since in my attempt to dodge it, i took awsay my own guns solution, i guess they're right.
hotards :rolleyes: :rofl
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why HO some 1 when it takes you 15 minutes to fly to the enemy base. it just seems stupid to me to waist a sortie like that. you will almost die every time commiting to a HO on HO merge. goin out to the side of them and immuling over them. while they are flyin strait tryin to HO you. you are already on top of them waiting to get a real kill.
just some words of advise :)
So true...