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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: 1Duke1 on December 22, 2005, 12:58:31 AM
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PTO.......featuring the Ki-84 and Niki vs. F6f-5 and the Hog-1 on the Slot terrain.
Japan:
Kate
Val
C-47
Ki-84
Nik2
A6m5b
M series
LVT's
PT's
American:
F6f-5
F4u-1
TBM
SBD-5
C-47
M series
LVT's
PT's
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love the setup :aok
now, predict about 2,999,999,873 whines of no LuftWaff stuff :D or uber spits
PS- Duke, might want to spell out your email like so
1Duke1(at)flyaceshigh.com to stop the spam bots people use scanning messageboards for posted emails, just a thought, Sir
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add the Ki61 for those that like that plane. you may want to add the FM2 as well.
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Holly Jolly Hellcats!:aok
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Ki84's are gonna PWN!
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Originally posted by Grits
Ki84's are gonna PWN!
not if I'm in one they won't
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Its a wonder that one of the ackalides isnt whineing were thier Chog or U4 is.
IMO the Ki84 sucks the cannon are not that strong and the rate of fire is to fast.
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Ki-84 is the best Japanese fighter in the game and one of the best in AH2.
Who are the "ackalides"? That a new squad?
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The only major short coming of the Ki-84 is firepower when attacking bombers. Against fighters it is fine. I have gotten three kills in it after the cannon ammo ran dry and I am not that good a pilot.
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Yep, never give up a fight if you only have the mgs left in it.
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No F4U-D? I always herd the -1 was better
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Did I mention we need the "Slot" map for us PTO flyers? :
We have it.:huh
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Originally posted by Slash27
We have it.:huh
Opps! I will change that for Aces High!!
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The Ki84 is the best pure dogfighter in the game, bar none. It can pwn in the verticle, the flat fight, and the super slow fight. It doesnt do any good the have a Stradivarius Violin if you dont know how to play it though.
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Originally posted by Grits
The Ki84 is the best pure dogfighter in the game, bar none. It can pwn in the verticle, the flat fight, and the super slow fight. It doesnt do any good the have a Stradivarius Violin if you dont know how to play it though.
Agreed.
So. Monsieur Stradivarias, lying on his death bed, gathered his family around him and said:
"Some of you will have to fly the Frank some day. I have wisdom to pass on."
"Turn off combat trim."
"Use flaps."
"Use flaps a lot."
"Remember that you can't use your flaps until you slow down."
"Climb to slow down."
"Take your shots from 250 yards or less."
"Sell the frigging violin company, it always irritated the hell out of me."
And then he died.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Agreed.
So. Monsieur Stradivarias, lying on his death bed, gathered his family around him and said:
"Some of you will have to fly the Frank some day. I have wisdom to pass on."
"Turn off combat trim."
"Use flaps."
"Use flaps a lot."
"Remember that you can't use your flaps until you slow down."
"Climb to slow down."
"Take your shots from 250 yards or less."
"Sell the frigging violin company, it always irritated the hell out of me."
And then he died.
- oldman
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Setup loaded!
Enjoy
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Ah my Fav Plane again, Ty Duke :D
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How about throwing in the KI-61 TONY? Give a good middle range fighter between the ZEKE & FRANK.
No bombers? Even the Medium's?
:aok
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Good planest. Flew the CT first time in awhile. Jumped in to help in a 2 on 1 and clear a guy. Got HO'd. Got HO'd 2 more times and finally rammed. Kind of expected better in the CT and of course when I said "what's with the Hoin" I got nothing but grief from the 2 F6's. Apparently that was the norm all day and the F6 guys just assumed they would be HO'd in turn. Not the fights I had hoped for.:(
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The Ki-84, N1K2, Ki-67s and both CVs.....ouch!
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:lol
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Changes made 12/25/05.
B-26 available for the Americans.
Formations disabled for both sides.
Merry Christmas!! :aok
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Changes made 12/25/05.
B-26 available for the Americans.
Formations disabled for both sides.
Merry Christmas!! :aok
F4U-D is available on the CV.....when we have it. Any chance to get some enabled at rear bases? I will fly the distance!
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Duke,
Whats up with the allied CVs? Are we supose to have AC from them? One minute there is two Cvs with the F4U-1D, then no CV then next there are two CVs with no AC.
IJN has two CVs with AC.
I dont really care if they are there or not, just needs to be the same for both sides.
Could be the IJN sunk them :cry:
Regards
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Were Ki-84s even used on the solomon islands? I can understand using a ki-61 but the ki-84 seems a little too late war for this setup.
Also why no P38s?
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Were Ki-84s even used on the solomon islands? I can understand using a ki-61 but the ki-84 seems a little too late war for this setup.
Also why no P38s?
The set up is geared more towards a plane match up than a historically accurate one. The only thing out of place in my opinion is the F4U-1 as far as time frame for the fighters. I would have used the 1D but its Dukes set up and the -1 kicks bellybutton in the right hands.( not mine)
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I agree with Slash. The F4U-1 kicks butt.
It should be dominating this arena in my opinion. Not sure why its not getting the exposure it deserves.
I would like to see the KI-61 added though, it's always a fun ride and opponent.
Cheers,
RTR
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The F4U-1 is fine, but there is no reason NOT to include the D.
:cry
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F4u-1 is fine when it has space to manouver (a 5k co alt fight would be fine) but today I joined and ki84s were pretty much vulching. When I upped a f4u1 the fight would end up on the deck, full flaps. Ki-84 has a big advantage over the f4u-1 at those low E states, it can nose up and f4u cant follow. Allies don't have anything that can match it in a fair fight.
Japanese have 3 fighters where there are only 2 US fighters. Maybe add FM2?
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FM 2 has been added. Not much as far as Allied rides goes, can hang with the 84 in a low speed fight.
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Don't see a need for the -1D....kitty carries same ord package if you want to do an attack run.
Slash added the FM-2 on the CV's.....probably woulda added it as well, to counter the A6m5b sooner or later, but wanted the allies to work together to counter the Nik/Ki threat. Saw good work tonight by the 78th against the Ki, which was needed.
Though not a "historical" setup, wanted to push "historical" tactics.....ie....you don't fight a zeke or frank without a little teamwork.
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I guess it's good that if the allied players can't compete you should give them a crutch
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Originally posted by RTR
I agree with Slash. The F4U-1 kicks butt.
It should be dominating this arena in my opinion. Not sure why its not getting the exposure it deserves.
Cheers,
RTR
am on my way RTR, see if I can make a difference :rofl
Originally posted by storch I guess it's good that if the allied players can't compete you should give them a crutch
well, it is the holidays so prob alot of the allied top flyers haven't been in the arenas much :O
just messin with ya, Storch!!!
Happy New Year CTers ~S~
TC
The Damned
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Originally posted by Bear76
Good planest. Flew the CT first time in awhile. Jumped in to help in a 2 on 1 and clear a guy. Got HO'd. Got HO'd 2 more times and finally rammed. Kind of expected better in the CT and of course when I said "what's with the Hoin" I got nothing but grief from the 2 F6's. Apparently that was the norm all day and the F6 guys just assumed they would be HO'd in turn. Not the fights I had hoped for.:(
Bear
I hate HO, but in this plane set, I might only have one shot, one chance, before dem rice putters are on my 6.
So, have a heart, I just switched to Sanka.
:(
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Originally posted by storch
I guess it's good that if the allied players can't compete you should give them a crutch
Maybe you should stop in and restore their confidence with a few lay up kills:aok
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Originally posted by Raptor01
F4u-1 is fine when it has space to manouver (a 5k co alt fight would be fine) but today I joined and ki84s were pretty much vulching.
was zekes when I logged in vulching over the allied field, with that said, think maybe the allied side even flew over to do same thing to the axis side as well.
as 5k alt to maneuver, if ya got the speed and fly to your strengths, the F4U-1 can deal with the Ki-84, N1K1 and even the zeke on the deck, under 5k , or with alt
Originally posted by Raptor01
When I upped a f4u1 the fight would end up on the deck, full flaps. Ki-84 has a big advantage over the f4u-1 at those low E states, it can nose up and f4u cant follow.
I love the F4U-1, I don't mind getting into an angles fight with any of the three planes I mentioned above, with that said, everytime I chose it as a KOTH ride, some ACE pile-it usually hands me my ripcord :D
Originally posted by Raptor01
Allies don't have anything that can match it in a fair fight.
Japanese have 3 fighters where there are only 2 US fighters. Maybe add FM2?
don't think any fight is fair, you either have the advantage or the disadvantage of the fight, now learning what to do when on the disadvantage end is what is key.
Last night was a blast, had a fight with a niki, ki-84 and a6m5 all at same time, I eventually bought the farm, but it was fun while the fight lasted :cool:
edite: hmm, I didn't by the farm, kongkyuk, asked how I survived, told him I was lucky! I bought the farm alter on in another fight trying to clear someone's 6 then got mine cleared but got waxed by the zeke chasing the guy who cleared me :lol
when flying the F4U-1 and you get into a good knife fight with the Ki-84, most people I have come up against do not know how to control the E build up of the Frank, they let it accelerate til the -1 Hog is able to stay inside the Ki-84's turning radius........and the Ki-84 is unable to lower its flaps. The Hog will just sit there and float nose low spiraling down watching the Frank pop right out infront of them.
Great fights last night, bought the farm as much as the other guy but enjoyed it all, and noone vulched me. I chased a zeke back to his cv, didn't kill him, but made him miss his controlled crash on the flight deck :rofl
biggest thing in this plane-set match up, as probably any other match up is reading the other planes E-state......it'll tell you what you got to do verses what he can/cannot do and where you want to take him, depending on your own planes strength/weaknesses
now if I could get better at practicing what I always am saying :aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Maybe you should stop in and restore their confidence with a few lay up kills:aok
I'll be glad to stop in when there is a set I like. of course with you two knuckleheads running the show that may be some time coming. :aok
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
don't think any fight is fair, you either have the advantage or the disadvantage of the fight, now learning what to do when on the disadvantage end is what is key.
I agree. If we're going to have historical plane matchups every setup cannot be fair. The setup changes weekly. Some weeks the Axis have the advantage, some weeks the Allies, some weeks there is parity. Reap when you got the good rides, overcome when you don't. Or you can fall back on the old stand by. Piss, moan, and insult on the BBS, and channel 200.:cry
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Originally posted by Shifty
If we're going to have historical plane matchups every setup cannot be fair. The setup changes weekly. Some weeks the Axis have the advantage, some weeks the Allies, some weeks there is parity. Reap when you got the good rides, overcome when you don't.
Heh. I wholeheartedly agree with this.
- oldman
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Originally posted by storch
I'll be glad to stop in when there is a set I like. of course with you two knuckleheads running the show that may be some time coming. :aok
Yeah, wouldnt want to fly a set when the Axis have the best plane in the inventory available now would we? If you did, there will be no easy "my airplane is undermodeled" excuse.
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I haven't played the arena much in over a month and will probably stay away so I should just keep my opinion to myself. however if you guys deem it correct to add a plane not in the planeset to pacify the players who can't deal with the set up as it is after the decision has been made you will be forced to do the same every week. think baseball think umpire think bad call. I agree that the FM-2 should be there. it makes sense for it to be there. my question is why implement it after the whining instead of having thought the set through prior to it's posting? the Ki61 should be there as well, why was that not added? the next time you have those rediculous spitfires in a set will you add the A6M5 on lend-lease to balance the set up? no!! ok how about adding the 109K4 if its a 1944 set up? no!!! ok how about the 110 C-4 and the 110G-2 no!! congratulations you have just manufactured the formula for being called to carpet for every set up from here on out. you deserve all the complaints leveled against you because your thought processes are flawed and your arrogance knows no bounds.
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Originally posted by storch
add the Ki61 for those that like that plane. you may want to add the FM2 as well.
:)
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edite: hmm, I didn't by the farm, kongkyuk, asked how I survived, told him I was lucky!
WTFG TC, They were awsome fights, in your F4U1,, I still want a 1v1 :aok
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edite: hmm, I didn't by the farm, kongkyuk, asked how I survived, told him I was lucky!
LOL forgot to post it this way.
And I want a 1v1 in F4u 1's:D
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Originally posted by storch
you deserve all the complaints leveled against you because your thought processes are flawed and your arrogance knows no bounds.
I doubt there are many people we know who make the right choice every time. One of the nice things about the CT is that it's a comparatively small crowd, so the staff can get good feedback and make changes based upon that feedback. "Arrogance," in my book, is when someone makes an error that he isn't willing to change, a Custer Decision that will not be modified no matter what (Q: what movie is referenced here?).
Not to say that all setups should be changed to mollify vocal objectors. There have been very few setups that pleased everyone. Some we know are going to have well-reasoned opposition, but we run them anyway if we think they'll be fun and educational for most of the participants.
- Oldman (thinking of adopting your quoted sentence as a signature line)
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Originally posted by storch
I haven't played the arena much in over a month and will probably stay away so I should just keep my opinion to myself. however if you guys deem it correct to add a plane not in the planeset to pacify the players who can't deal with the set up as it is after the decision has been made you will be forced to do the same every week. think baseball think umpire think bad call. I agree that the FM-2 should be there. it makes sense for it to be there. my question is why implement it after the whining instead of having thought the set through prior to it's posting? the Ki61 should be there as well, why was that not added? the next time you have those rediculous spitfires in a set will you add the A6M5 on lend-lease to balance the set up? no!! ok how about adding the 109K4 if its a 1944 set up? no!!! ok how about the 110 C-4 and the 110G-2 no!! congratulations you have just manufactured the formula for being called to carpet for every set up from here on out. you deserve all the complaints leveled against you because your thought processes are flawed and your arrogance knows no bounds.
Maybe you should have stepped up and put your money where your mouth is when you had the chance. But its much easier being a constant griefer.:aok
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Honestly storch, I really don't care what you think anymore, or if you ever come back to the arena.
You do nothing but snipe and ***** when *you* perceive some kind of conspiracy against you and the axis side. You were given the chance but I think you got scared...lol....easier to fan the flames than take the heat.
Since you have not been in there the past couple weeks, it has been an enjoyable arena to fly in. So go ahead....stay away....your not breaking any hearts over that as far as I can see :aok
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Oohh...Burn!
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clearly you fail to understand that it's not about *me* as I don't participate in the arena much. it's about why not take a little time amongst yourselves to discuss (prior to posting) what the set up will be and how it's likely to play out. what you have done is set an example validating what the axis players have said all along, namely that there is a definite bias in favor of the allied players. this is not the first time that something of this nature has occurred in the arena either. how do you refute this accusation now?
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What if they just admit it. Then what? ......sheesh
Three more days till Crown Bug '06 :aok
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I doubt there are many people we know who make the right choice every time. One of the nice things about the CT is that it's a comparatively small crowd, so the staff can get good feedback and make changes based upon that feedback. "Arrogance," in my book, is when someone makes an error that he isn't willing to change, a Custer Decision that will not be modified no matter what (Q: what movie is referenced here?).
Not to say that all setups should be changed to mollify vocal objectors. There have been very few setups that pleased everyone. Some we know are going to have well-reasoned opposition, but we run them anyway if we think they'll be fun and educational for most of the participants.
- Oldman (thinking of adopting your quoted sentence as a signature line)
no one is infallible except maybe my mother in law she's never wrong. however there is often wisdom in council, certainly much moreso than any one individual doing the whole set up alone. my point is you (by you I mean the collective) could attempt to reach a concensus prior to posting what the next event will be. once it's decided it should be posted in this venue with enough time consider the feed back if any is offered and adjust accordingly if the suggestions are deemed to be meritorious. why would you rountinely discount the imput from the people who demonstrate interest in the arena and create animosity with your flippant responses to actual player concerns? do you guys have a venue for conferring prior to setting up events? perhaps some of you guys don't have the time to check your e-mails and confer via a CT staffer BBS. in that case that individual(s) should step down and offer the position to someone who may have the time and interest to take up the responsibility. the argument that you guys do this for free doesn't wash. if you accept the responsibility to do a job you should do it. not "I'll do the best I can" you either do it or you don't. if you don't then you are no good at that job. it seems to me that best some folks can do isn't good enough. I often have to dismiss people who are clearly doing the best they can because their best just isn't up to our standards. the same should apply anywhere. even to voluntary positions.
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Originally posted by TheBug
What if they just admit it. Then what? ......sheesh
Three more days till Crown Bug '06 :aok
we're getting to that.
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Being accustomed to fighting the Hurrifire MkDs in BFW-1090s, I found the KiM5-N184s to be woobie and decided to research the uberlasenflappin FU-46Fs. I’ve come to the conclusion that Kongkyuk eats worms.
What’s on for next week?
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Originally posted by storch
no one is infallible except maybe my mother in law she's never wrong. however there is often wisdom in council, certainly much moreso than any one individual doing the whole set up alone. my point is you (by you I mean the collective) could attempt to reach a concensus prior to posting what the next event will be. once it's decided it should be posted in this venue with enough time consider the feed back if any is offered and adjust accordingly if the suggestions are deemed to be meritorious. why would you rountinely discount the imput from the people who demonstrate interest in the arena and create animosity with your flippant responses to actual player concerns? do you guys have a venue for conferring prior to setting up events? perhaps some of you guys don't have the time to check your e-mails and confer via a CT staffer BBS. in that case that individual(s) should step down and offer the position to someone who may have the time and interest to take up the responsibility. the argument that you guys do this for free doesn't wash. if you accept the responsibility to do a job you should do it. not "I'll do the best I can" you either do it or you don't. if you don't then you are no good at that job. it seems to me that best some folks can do isn't good enough. I often have to dismiss people who are clearly doing the best they can because their best just isn't up to our standards. the same should apply anywhere. even to voluntary positions.
amen
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You are so full of crap. Some one doesnt follow your suggestions so now the Staff is some unapproachable entity who scoffs at any input? You have nothing to back that up.
why would you rountinely discount the imput from the people who demonstrate interest in the arena and create animosity with your flippant responses to actual player concerns?
This is nothing but a lie from one of the most verbally abusive players in the game. You have room to talk about creating animostity?
perhaps some of you guys don't have the time to check your e-mails and confer via a CT staffer BBS. in that case that individual(s) should step down and offer the position to someone who may have the time and interest to take up the responsibility.
And you get your information from where? You have what evidence to back this up? As far as stepping down, how about stepping up? Do you really think we all just forgot about your empty offers to help? You were elected to the Staff, you would have had say in the set ups, you would have had it your way. But no, you wouldnt do it. Because you couldnt do it. Get real.
I cant believe you posted something like this. Everyone knows who you are and what you are about. Who are you trying to fool?
Anyone who thinks the CT Staff is some exclusive club who wants to keep things all to ourselves is misled. If you want to be on the staff let some one know. That offer has been out there for quite some time.
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well thanks for the comments, how about addressing the issues I've brought up and leaving personal feelings out of the equation for once.
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Originally posted by Slash27
If you want to be on the staff let some one know. That offer has been out there for quite some time.
OK I wanna be a CT staff member. I love the CT and all it stands for. I have more of my time to put into working as a staff member then anyone else. And I can be nice when I want to be.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Anyone who thinks the CT Staff is some exclusive club who wants to keep things all to ourselves is misled. If you want to be on the staff let some one know. That offer has been out there for quite some time.
So you guys really don't sit around in blazers, with CT Staff crests on the pockets, sipping martinis, and planning the end of the world as we know it???:confused:
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Originally posted by Shifty
So you guys really don't sit around in blazers, with CT Staff crests on the pockets, sipping martinis, and planning the end of the world as we know it???:confused:
If they say no to that thier all lieing!
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Originally posted by storch
well thanks for the comments, how about addressing the issues I've brought up and leaving personal feelings out of the equation for once.
I did address your baseless accusations.
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Originally posted by storch
clearly you fail to understand that it's not about *me* as I don't participate in the arena much. it's about why not take a little time amongst yourselves to discuss (prior to posting) what the set up will be and how it's likely to play out. what you have done is set an example validating what the axis players have said all along, namely that there is a definite bias in favor of the allied players. this is not the first time that something of this nature has occurred in the arena either. how do you refute this accusation now?
I've flown axis for years and I've never bought into the allied bias thing, niether in the planes or the planesets. There is a difference between fair planesets and historical planesets. The CT is supposed to be historical and the planes should reflect that. If you are in a squad that is exclusively allied or axis then you have to be willing to accept that your planes will not always have a performance advantage over your opponent depending on the time frame of the map. That is why, as in WWII, tactics had to be developed to either take advantage of your planes strengths or it's weakness's. Obviously not all want that kind of restriction thus you have the MA.:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
OK I wanna be a CT staff member. I love the CT and all it stands for. I have more of my time to put into working as a staff member then anyone else. And I can be nice when I want to be.
You were on the Staff for less than 3 weeks before you "quit" AH. If you want on send me an email and it will be discussed by the Staff and HTC.
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Originally posted by Bear76
I've flown axis for years and I've never bought into the allied bias thing, niether in the planes or the planesets. There is a difference between fair planesets and historical planesets. The CT is supposed to be historical and the planes should reflect that. If you are in a squad that is exclusively allied or axis then you have to be willing to accept that your planes will not always have a performance advantage over your opponent depending on the time frame of the map. That is why, as in WWII, tactics had to be developed to either take advantage of your planes strengths or it's weakness's. Obviously not all want that kind of restriction thus you have the MA.:aok
Bam! Nailed it.
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Originally posted by storch
the argument that you guys do this for free doesn't wash. if you accept the responsibility to do a job you should do it. not "I'll do the best I can" you either do it or you don't. if you don't then you are no good at that job. it seems to me that best some folks can do isn't good enough. I often have to dismiss people who are clearly doing the best they can because their best just isn't up to our standards. the same should apply anywhere. even to voluntary positions.
*sigh*
Really sorry you feel this way, Storch, but even sorrier that you posted this. There is only a handful of active staffers left, and there really wasn't a need to denigrate the contribution we make in order to support your argument that setups could be thought out more before they're posted.
In this particular instance, we did talk back and forth about adding or deleting different planes, as we almost always do. As often happens, we though the reality could be adjusted to good effect instead of blindly adhering to the theory. So adjustments were made after the setup was first loaded. There's no harm in that that I see, and none that you've pointed out.
It appears to me that you find little or no value in staffers' contributions of their time - often at very bad times, such as Friday mornings, or when their wives are pregnant or their kids are sick - if it doesn't produce a polished finished product. I think you're being unrealistic to expect that sort of performance.
The original staffers who started the CT all burned out and left, as have many since then. You might just consider being a bit more appreciative of the service you get, even if it isn't perfect.
- oldman
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people burn out and it's a thankless job to be sure.
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Originally posted by Slash27
You were on the Staff for less than 3 weeks before you "quit" AH. If you want on send me an email and it will be discussed by the Staff and HTC.
Yep and I deleted my account and "quit" for about a month. After playing IL2 and WB and didnt like it I came back.
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Three more days and the guillotines won't be able to keep up. I'll give you a real conspiracy worth talking about.
Although I see Knighthoods in Bear's and Shifty's future.
Crown Bug '06 :aok
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Dont forget Bug, in the end Robespierre, the man who set it all in motion, also had a date with Madame Guillotine.
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Though not a "historical" setup, wanted to push "historical" tactics.....ie....you don't fight a zeke or frank without a little teamwork.
Nice thought but this needs to be in the DA as well as removeing all the bombers from the plane set.
Is the CT moving, or has it moved away from the Historic planesets?
Booooooo!!!! Bad form!
If you want these guys to learn tactics, I am sure Shane would fly with them in the DA.
Bring back the historic plane sets.
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Originally posted by JSparrow
Is the CT moving, or has it moved away from the Historic planesets?
Booooooo!!!! Bad form!
Bring back the historic plane sets.
How is the planset not "historic"?
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AckMaggie is just mad becuase he cant fly his quad 20mm ackchair.
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Originally posted by Slash27
How is the planset not "historic"?
no way you are being serious. F4U-1 = 1943 Ki84 N1k2-J = 1944/45. in reality it should be F4U-4/F6F-5 that's how it's not historic. The FM2 which you guys didn't want to put in at first is the other actual blue plane that is historic. I would have at least placed the 1-D.
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Originally posted by Larry
AckMaggie is just mad becuase he cant fly his quad 20mm ackchair.
Remember ,,, you can be nice if you want to.:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
no way you are being serious. F4U-1 = 1943 Ki84 N1k2-J = 1944/45. in reality it should be F4U-4/F6F-5 that's how it's not historic. The FM2 which you guys didn't want to put in at first is the other actual blue plane that is historic. I would have at least placed the 1-D.
Yeah, F4U-4. You wouldnt have said a word:rolleyes:
AckMaggie is just mad becuase he cant fly his quad 20mm ackchair.
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He likes the field guns????:huh
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Originally posted by Shifty
Remember ,,, you can be nice if you want to.:rofl
Im telling the truth :rofl
Originally posted by Slash27
He likes the field guns????
Oh yes back in the day he'd spend hours siting in his ack chair picking off people who flew to close to the base.
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what difference would that have made? the man asked about historical you asked why it wasn't I pointed out to you why it wasn't. then you change the argument with something totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. hmmm ..... are you my wife?
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Originally posted by storch
what difference would that have made? the man asked about historical you asked why it wasn't I pointed out to you why it wasn't. then you change the argument with something totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. hmmm ..... are you my wife?
Couldn't be. Slash is no Saint:lol
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Originally posted by JSparrow
Nice thought but this needs to be in the DA as well as removeing all the bombers from the plane set.
Is the CT moving, or has it moved away from the Historic planesets?
Booooooo!!!! Bad form!
If you want these guys to learn tactics, I am sure Shane would fly with them in the DA.
Bring back the historic plane sets.
Well that didn't take long did it?:cry
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Originally posted by Slash27
How is the planset not "historic"?
Do you really want to get me started?
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Originally posted by Larry
Im telling the truth :rofl
Oh yes back in the day he'd spend hours siting in his ack chair picking off people who flew to close to the base.
Dont forget the Me-262 in the Finrus map :rolleyes:
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Yes taht was always fun. Stupid Lalas didnt know what hit them.
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Originally posted by JSparrow
Do you really want to get me started?
Sure, clue me in as to how the F6F-5,F4U-1,FM-2 vs Ki-84, N1K, and A6M5 is some fantasy set up. Oh, let me guess. The -1 is way to early and so outclassed. The F4U whines have come full circle.
Storch, nothing you say holds any water for the simpe fact it comes from you.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Storch, nothing you say holds any water for the simpe fact it comes from you.
then why do you respond and why worry about what I might "say" regarding your set ups? you sure are fickle. furthermore there were at least three questions from different players regarding the addition of the Ki61 with zero response from the person responsible for the set up or his consort.
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Originally posted by Jester
How about throwing in the KI-61 TONY? Give a good middle range fighter between the ZEKE & FRANK.
No bombers? Even the Medium's?
:aok
number 2
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Were Ki-84s even used on the solomon islands? I can understand using a ki-61 but the ki-84 seems a little too late war for this setup.
Also why no P38s?
number 3
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Originally posted by RTR
I agree with Slash. The F4U-1 kicks butt.
It should be dominating this arena in my opinion. Not sure why its not getting the exposure it deserves.
I would like to see the KI-61 added though, it's always a fun ride and opponent.
Cheers,
RTR
number 4
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You know... we come back to this time and time again. Untill slush is gone nothing will change. :huh
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Originally posted by VWE
You know... we come back to this time and time again. Untill slush is gone nothing will change. :huh
I don't think he needs to go but he could be more organized even with his job situation. I think the thing is the current staff is populated by busy guys. OM is an attorney so I would love his frequent flyer miles. 1duke1 is often travelling to the war zone with his new job and slash27 is a first responder making the combination a hard one for a potentially time consuming voluntary position such as the CT staff probably is. as with anything done by committee organization and communication are critical and they seem to be lacking at best with this crew.
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Sure VW, I hold total control over the CT. email Skuzzy, plead your case, and have me removed. Shouldnt be that hard since Im the one responsible for keeping the CT down.
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Two more days........
Crown Bug '06 :aok
P.S. Under my reign spelling and punctuation will count.
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Originally posted by TheBug
P.S. Under my reign spelling and punctuation will count.
Spelling Nazi?!?!?!?!:(
Where's Brady when you need him?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Spelling Nazi?!?!?!?!:(
Where's XXXXX when you need him?
I was considering granting you an Earldom, but not if you continue to speak of "he who should not be spoke of".
Still to this day the Kingdom of Light continues to battle against the evil shadow he cast upon the CT. I will not be duped by his trickery, he was a crafty devil.
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Forgive me sire. I shall fast for 30 minutes for my mention of "him":(
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Originally posted by Slash27
Forgive me sire. I shall fast for 30 minutes for my mention of "him":(
Finally this thread is returning to a semblance of intelligent conversation. My work is done here, back to playing War in the Pacific.:aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Sure VW, I hold total control over the CT. email Skuzzy, plead your case, and have me removed. Shouldnt be that hard since Im the one responsible for keeping the CT down.
lol:aok
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Anyone who thinks the CT Staff is some exclusive club who wants to keep things all to ourselves is misled. If you want to be on the staff let some one know.
What a crock! I offered to help, to contribute and nothing came of it... I even spoke with Skuzzy about you way back when and untill a new admin vote is put on the board your it, unless you quit. But you wouldn't do that would you slush?
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I quit as full time staffer months ago.. Whatever else it is you're talking about, I have no idea.
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Originally posted by Bear76
I've flown axis for years and I've never bought into the allied bias thing, niether in the planes or the planesets. There is a difference between fair planesets and historical planesets. The CT is supposed to be historical and the planes should reflect that. If you are in a squad that is exclusively allied or axis then you have to be willing to accept that your planes will not always have a performance advantage over your opponent depending on the time frame of the map. That is why, as in WWII, tactics had to be developed to either take advantage of your planes strengths or it's weakness's. Obviously not all want that kind of restriction thus you have the MA.:aok
WHOOP! THERE IT IS! :cool:
The Bear Man has hit it right on the head. I have also put my time in with several Luftwabble squads, started other Axis squads to help out the CT when everyone was flying Allied and even put time on the CT STAFF. I couldn't have expressed it better myself. WTFG! You is Da MAN Bear! :aok
While I have had differences with the CT Staff while being a member of it and from the outside I don't think you can fairly say it is an "Old Boys Club" or they are trying to set everything so one side will be have more of an advantage than the other. Most of the players on the CT STAFF gravitate to the position because they are into "Historical" flying and care about what happens to the CT. Most, you will find DO NOT like the style of flying in the MA. They spend alot of their OWN TIME - WITHOUT PAY to see that everyone has a good time and gets a chance to fly their favorites as much as possible. They really don't deserve to, and shouldn't have to put up with the "BULLCHIT FACTOR" that is put out by many in this arena.
As for "Fairness" in some set-ups - sometimes it just isn't possible to make everyone happy due to the limitations of the set-up and the aircraft/vehicles/etc. of the time of the set-up. Some can be set-up to be pretty close. Others - Just like in the real battles of WW2 - someone is going to be blasted from the skies. More folks should give that a thought or move on to the MA if they can't live with it.
With that said..... Duke, the Navy vs. Army thing was a real TURKEY! Sorry, but it had to be said. LOL! :D But, that is just my opinion. (I had the same thing happen when I did the South American Football War & the 1956 Israeli War) Still it shows the CT Staff is working to TRY and come up with new things and make it more interesting for all of us. For that and the time they put into the arena EVERY WEEK they should all receive our thanks or at least an acknowledgement for their services.
THANKS GUYS! ! :aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Sure, clue me in as to how the F6F-5,F4U-1,FM-2 vs Ki-84, N1K, and A6M5 is some fantasy set up. Oh, let me guess. The -1 is way to early and so outclassed. The F4U whines have come full circle.
I had a long reply to that but deleted it. No matter how right or wrong, it wouldnt mean a thing. So with that, I decided to reply with what Bear said.
Originally posted by Bear76
...... There is a difference between fair planesets and historical planesets. The CT is supposed to be historical and the planes should reflect that. If you are in a squad that is exclusively allied or axis then you have to be willing to accept that your planes will not always have a performance advantage over your opponent depending on the time frame of the map. That is why, as in WWII, tactics had to be developed to either take advantage of your planes strengths or it's weakness's. Obviously not all want that kind of restriction thus you have the MA.:aok
The Ki-84, N1K2J, F4U-1D, F6F-5 all fought during WWII but not at the same time, all based at the same fields ten miles from each other. Thats not what the CT is supose to be NOR IS IT HISTORIC. Thats not why the CT was created. Most who started the CT, correct me if my sources are wrong, were players from WarBirds which had the "Historic Arena". The CT was to be the same thing.
The CT is really taylored for squads, not individuals learning how to dogfight....thats what the DA is for!
Shane I wasnt taking a jab at ya there either....I respect your flying skills! Hope you took it that way. Just wanted to be clear.
I came back, gave it a try....took a look at what was new for the year I was gone...... but it still ain't what I want. No big deal, life goes on.
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Originally posted by JSparrow
I had a long reply to that but deleted it. No matter how right or wrong, it wouldnt mean a thing. So with that, I decided to reply with what Bear said.
The Ki-84, N1K2J, F4U-1D, F6F-5 all fought during WWII but not at the same time, all based at the same fields ten miles from each other. Thats not what the CT is supose to be NOR IS IT HISTORIC. Thats not why the CT was created. Most who started the CT, correct me if my sources are wrong, were players from WarBirds which had the "Historic Arena". The CT was to be the same thing.
The CT is really taylored for squads, not individuals learning how to dogfight....thats what the DA is for!
Shane I wasnt taking a jab at ya there either....I respect your flying skills! Hope you took it that way. Just wanted to be clear.
I came back, gave it a try....took a look at what was new for the year I was gone...... but it still ain't what I want. No big deal, life goes on.
Hawk I hate to say it, but you will never find what you want.
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Originally posted by JSparrow
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The Ki-84, N1K2J, F4U-1D, F6F-5 all fought during WWII but not at the same time, all based at the same fields ten miles from each other. Thats not what the CT is supose to be NOR IS IT HISTORIC. Thats not why the CT was created. Most who started the CT, correct me if my sources are wrong, were players from WarBirds which had the "Historic Arena". The CT was to be the same thing.
The CT is really taylored for squads, not individuals learning how to dogfight....thats what the DA is for!
Shane I wasnt taking a jab at ya there either....I respect your flying skills! Hope you took it that way. Just wanted to be clear.
I came back, gave it a try....took a look at what was new for the year I was gone...... but it still ain't what I want. No big deal, life goes on. [/B]
I may not be following you here Hawk, but are you saying the F4U-1D and F6F-5 did not cross swords with the Ki-84 and N1K-J2? What would be your proposed set us involving these planes then?
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Originally posted by Bear76
Hawk I hate to say it, but you will never find what you want.
You can say that again...Bear is batting a thousand so far this thread.
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I want a historical based arena, with historically correct planesets(no need for subbing), no MA capture the base BS, all the low lifes driven out(the first two should accomplish that) and a strong, surviving group of historically based squads. Could care less about the desire of pulling one person from the MA.
Put Grits in a skirt, make Storch a staffer, hell pull a pickle out of my bellybutton I don't care how it gets done. But that's what I'd like to see become of the CT. Doesn't sound like such an impossible feat to me, well except for the pickle part. :aok
Crown Bug '06
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Originally posted by Bear76
Hawk I hate to say it, but you will never find what you want.
Bear,
It WAS here once before. Not AH but WarBirds. The Historic Arena was great. Especially "Taget For Tonight" on thursday nights. The reason why I no longer fly WB was that they screwed up and lost a bunch of guys during a big engine model change, or something like that. I tryed it a while back and the players dropped so much that the HA is gone. WB is a has been. It was great while it lasted but didnt change because of the players. It changed because the WB staff screwed up.
I didnt come back to try to change anything. I tested the waters and I didnt like it. Your right though, I may not ever find it again. No big deal, its just a game to me now. I wised up, lifes too short to get hiped up over a game.
I like IL-2's flight models, Aces High's Player Community and "Arena" based server, Il-2's realistic maps and airfields, Aces High devotion to PTO as well as ETO and MTO.......but best of all, I liked WarBird's Historic Arena. Only wish I could combine them all.
Gonna run off back into the woods now.......
Later Guys ;)
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Originally posted by JSparrow
I like IL-2's flight models, Aces High's Player Community and "Arena" based server, Il-2's realistic maps and airfields, Aces High devotion to PTO as well as ETO and MTO.......but best of all, I liked WarBird's Historic Arena. Only wish I could combine them all.
IL-2's flight and damage model, graphics, planeset and greater effects of user input.
Warbirds community of old.
A historical arena based server, with what I hope ToD is to be.
That is something I would spend good money on.
But it's just a dream.
Staying grounded I hope for a historical arena to someday return to AH.
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Originally posted by TheBug
Grits in a skirt
Crown Queen Bug '06
Umm I thought grits always wore a skirt? Isnt thats why no one wants him in the CT anymore because he doesnt put on underware?
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ah that explains why you're always hittin on him:D
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Originally posted by JSparrow
Bear,
It WAS here once before. Not AH but WarBirds. The Historic Arena was great. Especially "Taget For Tonight" on thursday nights. The reason why I no longer fly WB was that they screwed up and lost a bunch of guys during a big engine model change, or something like that. I tryed it a while back and the players dropped so much that the HA is gone. WB is a has been. It was great while it lasted but didnt change because of the players. It changed because the WB staff screwed up.
I didnt come back to try to change anything. I tested the waters and I didnt like it. Your right though, I may not ever find it again. No big deal, its just a game to me now. I wised up, lifes too short to get hiped up over a game.
I like IL-2's flight models, Aces High's Player Community and "Arena" based server, Il-2's realistic maps and airfields, Aces High devotion to PTO as well as ETO and MTO.......but best of all, I liked WarBird's Historic Arena. Only wish I could combine them all.
Gonna run off back into the woods now.......
Later Guys ;)
I think what's funny is how people will debate what planes were actually there in a certain time period. I myself have seen conflicting reports of planes that flew in a particular theater at a particular time. So obviously people will go by what they've read. Obviously none of us were there so all we have to go by is what we've read or seen on TV.
Let's face it, no planeset will ever be accepted be everyone. Your going to have to allow for that. Close is probably about the best that can be hoped for. It's just not worth all the drama on the forum.
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one man's drama is another's lively debate.
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Its not a skirt, its a Kilt. Havent you seen Braveheart?
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Originally posted by Grits
Its not a skirt, its a Kilt. Havent you seen Braveheart?
kilts have a plaid pattern you look like a van gogh :D
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I just wanted to say thanks to storch last night for his help with the hog. Up until last night I couldnt last much more than a few minutes in any fight. If I wasnt getting shot down I was stalling and smacking trees.
I flew for 3 years with combat trim on and only found out last night how much this little feature may have been hurting me rather than helping.
I told Shoulman at christmas about the problems I was having in the CT with getting kills and he said turn off the combat trim. So last night was first time I turned it off. Big difference with turning and control of stalls
After Storch made some recommendations (less fuel, more flaps) I was able to get inside a zeke's turn and I even actually got a few kills. Oh I still died alot, its hard to keep all your parts when you trying to smack a KI84 with a zeke on your tail :D but it was fun.
PS- I would have liked to have had a match up with C-Hog and P38 against the KI84 and Niki
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you are very welcome screw. allow me a further suggestion, map your trims onto your stick if possible. the most important one for me is elevator trim. I use an X45 so my trims are on the throttle rotaries. I mapped combat trim onto one of my fire buttons allowing me to cruise to a fight in combat trim and switch it off for the fight and also to activate it to hit those pesky runners at long distances without having to trim for yaw. since i'm mostly in a 109 elevator trim is essential to keep from dirt napping. once you become used to it's uses it really can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. well almost any ways. I had fun in the arena with you guys last night. I hope you will make it a regular stop.
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Storch, I also use a X45 (my 2nd one, i totaly destroyed my first one, busted that little ring the joystick rests on :mad: ) and I tried to map my trim to the rotaries but couldnt figure it out. After figuring out and setting up my CH pedals I was happy to have that and gave up on the trim.
I would like to setup my rotaries because I like to fly the 109s (and P38)and if I dont pay attention to my speed I kiss the ground like a homesick sailor. any tips on the stick setup for the saitek would be much appreciated:)
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Originally posted by storch
kilts have a plaid pattern you look like a van gogh :D
LOL...touché. :)
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For what its worth AirScrew, I use Combat Trim in everything but the Ki84. The key to the F4U (or any US plane for that matter) is FLAPS and lots of them.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Storch, I also use a X45 (my 2nd one, i totaly destroyed my first one, busted that little ring the joystick rests on :mad: ) and I tried to map my trim to the rotaries but couldnt figure it out. After figuring out and setting up my CH pedals I was happy to have that and gave up on the trim.
I would like to setup my rotaries because I like to fly the 109s (and P38)and if I dont pay attention to my speed I kiss the ground like a homesick sailor. any tips on the stick setup for the saitek would be much appreciated:)
I use eagler's profiles perhaps he will email them to you. if not a call to skuzzy will quickly help in setting them up. if not if you see me on tonight perhaps we can muddle through it on line.
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thanks Storch, I'll recheck Eagler's stuff, his is what I used to get my rudder pedals working, I didnt think to look at his stick setup.
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Grits, the way it was explained to me was combat trim makes minute adjustments to your trim as your flying which normally isnt a problem, but I was told that if you disable combat trim you'll get better turn performance, less wing stalls, and your reverses will be better. Last night was the first time I turned it off while online and it seemed to make a difference for me.
Time will tell.
As far as the flaps go, I used flaps before but I only did 1 or 2 notches, last night I used the flaps all the way down and almost got a couple of zekes and a KI or two to overshoot me, I just wasnt quick enough to get my guns on them.
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Originally posted by Grits
I use Combat Trim in everything but the Ki84.
And why not?
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Grits, the way it was explained to me was combat trim makes minute adjustments to your trim as your flying which normally isnt a problem, but I was told that if you disable combat trim you'll get better turn performance, less wing stalls, and your reverses will be better.
You will only get better turn performance if you are flying a plane that doesnt behave well with CT. The P-38 and Ki84 are the worst, but some others have issues too. Some planes it has zero adverse effect, like in Spits (except for the MkI for some odd reason, at stall speed the CT trims it nose down much like the Ki84 does at high speed and you cant even get enough elevator authority to stall, its very odd and none of the other Spits do that). The planes that it effects the most are the ones that require the most trimming to stay "in" trim. The F4U for example, needs very little trim input, set it and it needs almost no adjustment over very wide speed ranges, while a plane like the P-38 needs quite a bit. I think your success last night was far more a result of better use (read more notches) of flaps than it was turning off Combat Trim.
In addition, and most importantly to me, with CT on the planes are much more steady when I am aiming for a shot. The lack of having to push the stick forward or backwards to compensate for even a momentary out of trim situation makes gunnery much less difficult. This is all IMHO of course.
Originally posted by Slash27
And why not?
At high speeds the Ki84 has very little elevator authority because CT will trim it full nose down to keep it in level flight. When you try to pull out, because the trim is in the full nose down position you can barely even pull enough G's to black out. What I do (I do this in the P-38 too which are the only two I do it in) is I leave CT on, but I have trim mapped to a hat on my throttle. When you go into a dive, trim so you have to hold the stick forward to keep the nose down instead of trimming it down or relying on CT to keep the nose down. When you want to pull out, just let the stick back to center, and you will now have the elevator control to not only black yourself out, but also to pull the wings off. You can never get enough elevator authority to do that with CT on. As soon as I slow down enough, I switch CT back on (I also have CT mapped to my stick so I can turn it off and on when I want too).
Finally, most of you know Leviathn and Shane, they both fly with CT turned on, so it cant be all that bad eh? :)
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Grits, the way it was explained to me was combat trim makes minute adjustments to your trim as your flying which normally isnt a problem, but I was told that if you disable combat trim you'll get better turn performance, less wing stalls, and your reverses will be better. Last night was the first time I turned it off while online and it seemed to make a difference for me.
Time will tell.
As far as the flaps go, I used flaps before but I only did 1 or 2 notches, last night I used the flaps all the way down and almost got a couple of zekes and a KI or two to overshoot me, I just wasnt quick enough to get my guns on them.
after I found out 99% of the top pilots use combat trim almost exclusively, I have programmed it into my X45 saitek AH profile. I just uploaded the zip to the link in my sig.
I now start off in combat trim when I take off but by rolling the thumb rotor on the throttle to manualy trim elevator, disengages combat trim. So does the rocker I use for aileron trim (which I barely use) and the front rotor (rudder trim - which i no longer use at all). To re-engage combat trim, i place the rotor back to center position and then press the "Fire C" button in the front on the jstick while in "M1" (in M2 - this button fires secondary weapon).
I have found this setup allows me to instantly switch between combat & manual trim. Though I am usually manual trimming in a dogfight, I find I use combat trim whenever I want overall trim setting balance asap..
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Thats exactly what I do Eagler, but I mostly let CT do the trimming and only occasionally do it manually. I have roll and elevator trim on one hat so I can get to it instantly, and a button to turn CT back on as soon as I need it.