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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: VISCONTI on May 30, 2000, 01:02:00 PM
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I need more information on where this game will develop.
I read a lot of posts that say : "When D9... When F8F.... When F16"
I want to know if this game will be filled whit late war planes or whit the planes that can give the "WW2 Flight Simulation" name at this game.
I hope to see D9 and the others late war planes but i think that add only late war planes will not change the game or call more people from others ww2 flightsim.
We have a lot of beautiful AC like : P-40, P-39, CR42, Hurrycane, Bf-110, G50, Wellington, He111, Betty, Mig ,Ju87, Il-2, D520, ecc..
but all people (those that write here) need powerfull planes whit 4 20mm or laser guided rockets.
I am really bored at this ponit, and the only future i see is a game whit 85% of late war planes.
I'm not quiting the game cause i still hope to see a real WW2 flight sim, AH have the possibility to destroy all others WW2 sims but not whit late war planes.
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Visconti, how are late war aircraft any less representative than the early war aircraft?
Now if it didn't serve in combat during the war, then I agree with you.
But how is a FW190D9 any less representative than a D520? Both served for relatively small portions of the total war.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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VISC,
sometime ago I was whining about the same thing and PYRO replied that never modeled late-war kites are good and make the sim unique.
I'd like to see early war planes as well, but IMO we are very far from it. Even if we have the C.202, the 109F-4 and the Spit MkVb.
These kites look alone in the arena, good only for Scenarios. And the incoming A6M5b ... only cannon fodder.
Yes, yes, you can use them to Turn&Burn low above fields .... or to bounce someone with very low SA. Not my fighting style anyway ..
Sad GATT
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Vermillion, IMHO problem is not representativity of planes, but to complete the planeset, i want for sure try flying the ta-152, do-335, me-262, spit xiv, me-163 (wow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)), but i want to fly me-110 (in buffhunter and early versions), g50, cr42, gladiator, hurricane, p40, ki43, d520, po-16, pzl (polska), sbd, tbf, f4f, f6f and so on... (lot lot more), not only the quasi-jets uberplane, 'course in separate planeset arena, or any other idea HTC wil have, but i wish to try it with this accurate FM.
BTW visco and gatt, i'm thinking HTC is still doing some work for early planes, Lancaster is a 43-44 plane, a6m5 is a little bit old (almost last zero, but there are newer jap uberfighters), fw190a5 is not the newest fw, so they seem to give us some uber, some older at the same time, i guess how they start separate the planes when the time-scissor become larger.
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Early war planes will be cannon fodder, no matter what type you put in. D520, Spit I, Tomahawk, they can all hope for a miracle to get a kill, not to mention a positive K/D.
What do you think will be left of a poor Zeke after even shortest snapshot from cannon Hog ?
The game went aside from historical representation when cannon Hog was introduced. The question is why HTC doesn't want to admit it and introduce a plane which will restore the balence. A historical plane will do.
Would D-9 be that plane ? Maybe, but it would again require patient approach againt ever so aggressive C Hog drivers, capitalizing on their mistakes.
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as long as they keep adding planes they will eventually run out of uber planes to make and will be forced to work backwards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
the early war a/c compete better w the late war monsters w/o icons too.
I'll still fly the p38L mostly even though it will be eclipsed by any LW a/c beyond the fw190a5 and 109g6.
oddly the p51 is able to turn with it and accelerates as good as the p38L so those are fun to squish too.
I just find the kills to be quite satisfying when you know the enemy has a 40mph speed and or climb advantage and they still end up dead in all their late war glory, so in a way the early war a/c in a sense thumb their nose at technology of the enemy and seem to say... you just died to a 109f4 in a 109g10... you suck! LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
even most latewar a/c are gonna have problems with some of the insane performance monsters of 1944-45 though.
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 05-30-2000).]
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I too long for the early-war planes, Visconti. But I've seen the writing on the wall, and it looks like our hope for a huge early-war planeset is to be denied until the far future.
So, I've just decided to enjoy what we get with late-war and "what if" planes for now, with the hope that within three years, we may see HTC start to get serious about the early war.
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Naso, I too am interested in a complete planeset. Plus I am one of the biggest fans of scenario's here in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My point is that they started with late war, we can't change that now, so lets complete the late war as best we can and then work our way back.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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we just need more everything from 1942-1944 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm with Verm. Let's get a complete set of planes for every role. I.e. I'd rather have this:
1945 fighter
1945 fighter-bomber
1945 attack aircraft
1945 heavy bomber
1945 medium bomber
1945 dive bomber than
than this:
1940 fighter
1941 fighter
1942 fighter
1943 fighter
1944 fighter
1945 fighter
The first set is useful for scenarios and arena combat. The second set is useful for dueling and little else.
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Being probably one of the worst shots around, I still don't comprehend this false sense that earlywar= dogmeat. In WB I flew the P40, a lot, I died quite a bit, which is no biggie since I die a lot in anything, but I did manage a respectable rate of exchange for my time (this was before the RPS) any plane with guns is dangerous if you end up on the wrong end of it, uberplanes are better at staying out of that position, but nobodies perfect.
Note; I've also killed a 262 in a zeke, that, and the common ch talk afterwards, was a riot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Originally posted by pzvg:
Note; I've also killed a 262 in a zeke, that, and the common ch talk afterwards, was a riot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ROFL!...
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Yesterday I got 3 victories in G-2...(in same flight of course)
Funniest was f4u (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Staga
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 05-31-2000).]
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Originally posted by Staga:
Yesterday I got 3 victories in G-2...(in same flight of course)
Funniest was f4u (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Staga
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 05-31-2000).]
3 days ago I got 6 kills in G2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...2 F4Us,2 Spits, a 109 and a 190...
And i returned to base (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
109G2------>the most underrated plane in AH
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We all know that Zekes can kill unaware and/or turn&burning P51s dweebs. We are not talking about that.
1942-45 aircraft all in the same arena is, IMHO, a nonsense.
Moreover, I like early-mid war kites becouse the 1940-42 air war is more balanced. We'd see less HO, less cannon-monsters, more balanced fights between axis and allied fighters.
AH is still in development so I accept it. In a few months I will know where we are going.
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1 month ago i was whining about c-hog
now i am not
I can whoop a c-hog in my 190 almost every time if co-alt, and if hes not co-alt 90% of time i get away from him.
the c-hog is NOT uber, and i dont even fly it too much so dont say im a c hog weenie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) seriously i think the p51 may be closest thing to uber in the game, i know that when i strap myself into one i feel nearly uber (except against b26 hehe)
but im not saying the p51 isnt modeled right, it is its just a good plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
ands the spitfires? i dont mind them anymore either.
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I look forward to the day when early-war aircraft make their debut here, and I'm not worried about any balance issues, because I know that HTC are very conscious of this. I'm very confident in the fact that HTC will implement some method/arena that will allow a competitive environment for the early plane set.
Remember, we think about these things in our idle moments. HTC think about these things, because it's their livelihood. They'll figure it out.
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Early war planes will be cannon fodder, no matter what type you put in. D520, Spit I, Tomahawk, they can all hope for a miracle to get a kill, not to mention a positive K/D.
Dunno about that. Back in the dim dark pre-AH days when I flew brand W, we used to have the infamous 'Jet Day' at the end of each tour of duty.
I used to love taking up the Spitfire 1 on those nights. It was amazing how many guys in Zeros and late Mark Spitfires saw the 'Spit' icon and automatically assumed I was flying a Spitfire XIV, only to find me turning circles inside them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Got myself a brace of Me262's one night, together with a F4U-4 and a Fw190D9, all in the space of two sorties.
And you gotta believe I NEVER let those jet drivers forget they'd been bagged by a 1940-era aircraft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Early war planes will be cannon fodder, no matter what type you put in. D520, Spit I, Tomahawk, they can all hope for a miracle to get a kill, not to mention a positive K/D.
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The early war planes are not hopeless against the late war stuff. In WB my personal best was over 5 kills with Hurricane Mk.I and its .303cals in one sortie. I am quite certain I had K/S over 1 and even landed a sortie or two. P-40 with its .50cals and roll rate was a real killer too.
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To gatt mainly:
I considered my time spent flying the lesser planes fun, got me self enough kills to make it worth while. Even if the kills were mostly people I got to bounce, and couldn't really hunt anyone down.
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//fats
[This message has been edited by fats (edited 06-01-2000).]
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But, where is the historical aspect of taking a Spitfire I or Hurricane against a 262 ?!?!
Sounds like gaming the fantasy game to me.
Properly flown late war bird will eat properly flown early war bird for breakfast. The rest are just exceptions, due to various pilot skill, tactics, luck or other factors.
To prove my point, I am ready to challenge anyone to disagree for a duel: me in G-10, him in Spit V.
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To Hristo,
Where is the historical aspect of flying a 109 with a spitfire as a wingman?
This is fantasy gaming, my friend (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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I support the idea of getting more early war AC. They somehow pronounce pilots skills more. I don't know if that's exactly true, but that's how I feel about it anyway. BoB is my favourite scenario, right after Winter- and Continuation war. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But like funked said, it would be nice to get a complete planeset - even though it is the late war. A complete planeset is probably better than bits and pieces here and there.
But those who say that the early war kites won't manage in the MA, are wrong, imho. The performance difference of the planes can be turned into your advantage - engage on your terms! And I can almost bet that those flying "inferior" planes are better team players anyway - they have to be, in order to survive from the hordes of über planes! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I only fly the G-2, and not just because I'm a finn and the XO of Lentolaivue 34. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Flying a generally "inferior" plane is a lot more fun than cruising in the stratosphere in a G-10. Engagements are much more intense in an early war plane. I believe my skills have developed much faster than they would have, had I flown a late war über plane.
Camo
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where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Pzvg, HA is something I would like to see first added to AH.
And never had I winged with a Spit. P 51 or Niki maybe, but Spit - NEVER !! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes, Camo, that G-2 is tough in right hands. Reminds me of a smartly flown Spit IX. The 2 vs 2 fight with 190s vs your G-2 was the best fight I had in AH. Both teams on RW, AFAIK.
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One thing we might see with early war aircraft is more challenging fights.
One blast from a c hog kills anything in the arena at the moment. And sure it would pop early war planes too, but 2 early war planes in a scrap with nothing but MG's may find themselves exchanging fire, accumulating damage and having a great time.
Alot of the Late war Ac can't take much more damage than the early war planes and in some cases (Hurricane) maybe even less.
It would be nice to see in the future 2 arenas, 1 with the full planeset, all aircraft early, mid, latewar etc, and another permitting only pre 1942 or something like.
But alas ya need the pilots to populate first
SKurj