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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: **CLONE155** on November 09, 2008, 06:03:46 PM
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I don't know if many of you knows this, but we don't have a serious american tank. The closest thing we have is the M8.
Now for those of you saying "wow this guy is stupid, we have the sherman" well the sherman that we have is called the M4A4. This is the M4 that had a british 17 pounder for a main gun. This was not used much by americans, this was mainly used by Britain, France, and China.
Now i did some reserch and found that the M4A3 was the perefered tank of the americans.
Here is the picture:
http://www.military-collections.com/Planes%20of%20Fame%20photos/ShermanTank.jpg
And this is the sherman that we have:
http://www.liberationchildren.org/lib/lib4/images/Harderwijk.jpg
I may just be splitting hairs, but this tank I feel would be a good match against the Panzers. And it wouldn't be perked :aok
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Love over do in HTC love to see it added along with the Panther. :aok
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Right on, definitely one of the biggest holes in the GV set right now.
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Bingo! Short barrelled M4. There were a lot of M4 variants, and since so many had the same hull, turret armor, and performance, it would be easy to add the variants that only differed with main gun. Then we could have the short barrelled version, the howitzer version, and the big gunned version that had a 76mm (correct me if my recollection is off) Heck, we could even add the Sherman Calliope as discussed recently in another thread.
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Bingo! Short barrelled M4. There were a lot of M4 variants, and since so many had the same hull, turret armor, and performance, it would be easy to add the variants that only differed with main gun. Then we could have the short barrelled version, the howitzer version, and the big gunned version that had a 76mm (correct me if my recollection is off) Heck, we could even add the Sherman Calliope as discussed recently in another thread.
as posted by me, that would help out A LOT but im for the new tank
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US M4 Sub-Types
M4- Continental radial engine; welded hull; 75-mm and 105-mm versions only. Users: US, Britain, Poland, France (one vehicle). Some very late M4s had composite cast/welded hulls (cast hull front identical to M4A1 (76) W.).
M4(105) - Upgraded with 105 mm M4 howitzer.
M4(105) HVSS - M4(105) w/ HVSS.
M4A1 - Continental radial engine; one-piece cast hull; 75-mm and 76-mm versions built. Users: US, Britain, South Africa, France (small numbers), China
M4A1E4/M4A1(76)W - Upgraded with 76 mm M1 gun.
M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76 mm M1 gun.
M4A1E9 - Unknown configuration, possibly an upgrade of existing M4A1s with 76 mm guns.
M4A2 - Diesel-powered; welded hull; 75-mm and 76-mm guns. Users: USSR (M4C), USMC, France, Britain, Poland. No US Army combat use.
M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3 - Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; 75-mm, 76-mm, and 105-mm guns. Users: US, France (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
M4A3(75) - M4A3 w/ 75mm M3 gun.
M4A3(105) - M4A3 w/ 105mm M4 howitzer.
M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo"/"Cobra King" - extra armour (including 4" on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75 mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76-mm guns. Grousers fitted to the tracks. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 w/ 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun. The new suspension allowed for more armor to be added.
M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.
M4A4 - Chrysler A57 engine; welded, lengthened hull; 75-mm gun only as-built. Many re-armed with British 17-pounder guns ("Firefly"). Users: Britain, France, China
M4A5 - No US vehicle was built with this designation; the number was meant to signify Canadian production.
M4A6 - Diesel engine; composite cast/welded hull lengthened similarly to the M4A4; 75-mm gun only. Only a few dozen of this variant were built and none were used in combat.
[edit] US Non-"M4" Sherman-based Vehicles
Variants without the M4 designation but built on the M4 medium chassis (While some began on the M3 chassis, some subvariants were switched to the M4 chassis during production. These are the models listed here):
105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M7B1 - self-propelled 105 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage (HMC) based on the M4A3 Sherman chassis.
155mm Gun Motor Carriage M12 - self-propelled 155 mm Gun Motor Carriage (GMC).
Cargo Carrier M30 - Cargo Carrier (an M12 with crew and ammunition space in lieu of the gun).
155mm Gun Motor Carriage M40 - self-propelled 155 mm GMC (Either M1A1 or M2 gun) based on the M4A3 (HVSS) chassis.
8in Howitzer Motor Carriage M43 - self-propelled 8 inch HMC (standardized post-WWII).
3in Gun Motor Carriage M10 - tank destroyer based on the M4A2 Sherman chassis.
3in Gun Motor Carriage M10A1 - Same as the M10, but based on the M4A3 Sherman chassis.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36 - tank destroyer based on M10A1 hull (M4A3 chassis); standard model.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36B1 - tank destroyer based on M4A3 Sherman hull and chassis; expedient model.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36B2 - tank destroyer based on M10 hull (M4A2 chassis, diesel); expedient model.
good old wikipedia
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Two words... Duplex Drive! :aok
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I don't know if many of you knows this, but we don't have a serious american tank. The closest thing we have is the M8.
Now for those of you saying "wow this guy is stupid, we have the sherman" well the sherman that we have is called the M4A4. This is the M4 that had a british 17 pounder for a main gun. This was not used much by americans, this was mainly used by Britain, France, and China.
Now i did some reserch and found that the M4A3 was the perefered tank of the americans.
Here is the picture:
http://www.military-collections.com/Planes%20of%20Fame%20photos/ShermanTank.jpg
And this is the sherman that we have:
http://www.liberationchildren.org/lib/lib4/images/Harderwijk.jpg
I may just be splitting hairs, but this tank I feel would be a good match against the Panzers. And it wouldn't be perked :aok
More tanks that can survive the one shot kill is what we need, not another tank that can get killed by one shot form everything except a M8.
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More tanks that can survive the one shot kill is what we need, not another tank that can get killed by one shot form everything except a M8.
Half the reason we always die to one shot in tanks is because half the drivers are in super-cheap M4s.
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Yeah...PERSONALLY...add the regular sherman and gum down it's gun a bit, perk up the Firefly by 2-3 perks and we should be all set.
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The M4 Sherman got some nice skins to. http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/message/1226332400/Finished-+M4A2+Sherman+4th+Marine+Tank+Battalion%2C+Saipan+1944Love to see that one added.
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Yeah...PERSONALLY...add the regular sherman and gum down it's gun a bit, perk up the Firefly by 2-3 perks and we should be all set.
Sherman should cost more than 2-3 extra perks. As things are now it's far and away the best tank in the game for its price. It stomps on the panzer and is the equal of the Tiger because of its ability to kill it with one shell. Double its price and you might start to approach something reasonable.
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Sherman should cost more than 2-3 extra perks. As things are now it's far and away the best tank in the game for its price. It stomps on the panzer and is the equal of the Tiger because of its ability to kill it with one shell. Double its price and you might start to approach something reasonable.
Well, I know. Basically anything higher than it is right now would be amazing...the avg perk price maybe in the 20s range. Drop the Tiger a little...
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I'm fine with the Tiger remaining expensive because it does outclass everything except the M4. Perk rides are supposed to be the exception, not the rule the way they are now in AH gv fights. The trouble is that we only have 2 unperked tanks, and no one will bother with the T-34/76, hence this thread! ;)
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The trouble is that we only have 2 unperked tanks, and no one will bother with the T-34/76, hence this thread! ;)
Good point!
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. . . and no one will bother with the T-34/76, hence this thread! ;)
Really?
October Late War tour:
T-34/76 has 4298 Kills of All models
All models have 7273 Kills of T-34/76
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News to me! I almost never see them.
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Half the reason we always die to one shot in tanks is because half the drivers are in super-cheap M4s.
I am utterly amazed when players whine about how the Firefly can kill their panzer or Tiger in 1 shot. It was able to do it in real life, why should it be any different in game?
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I am utterly amazed when players whine about how the Firefly can kill their panzer or Tiger in 1 shot. It was able to do it in real life, why should it be any different in game?
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You missed the point, entirely. Though I bet you could find it if you weren't more focused on accusing others of whining just for the sake of one-upmanship. :D
Hint: it has to do with economics.
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I'm fine with the Tiger remaining expensive because it does outclass everything except the M4........
then why could the t-34 crash into a tiger to disable it without firing off its 76mm and back up and take off?
if you ask me the Russian t-34 should be up their with the tiger and m4
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then why could the t-34 crash into a tiger to disable it without firing off its 76mm and back up and take off?
if you ask me the Russian t-34 should be up their with the tiger and m4
Tigers were armoured the heaviest in the front, you could shoot at the front of it all day and not to much
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Tigers were armoured the heaviest in the front, you could shoot at the front of it all day and not to much
Ehhh... depends on the gun your using and the angle your hitting that front armor at. Their armor is thick in the front but is designed at the worst possible angle for incoming shells. One major flaw to the Tiger's armor over other tanks of that era was that it was very box-shape (which at the start of the war would of been fine, but with huge advances throughout the war on both sides in higher-velocity and better armor piercing guns/ammunition, you did not want to stop those shells with nothing but the pure thickness/mass of your armor like the tiger was designed to do, rather take that thick armor and angle it so most of an incoming shell's energy was deflected instead of absorbed). One common strategy was having your enemy at a 1 or 11 o'clock position, this resulted in the thick front armor deflecting the shells instead of trying to "eat" the shell with the pure mass of the front armor. But again due to the very box-like shape, this exposed the large and broad sides of the tiger to the enemy (though at a very steep angle, but still made it so a flanking tank didn't have to flank you as much to get a clean 90-degree shot to your side/rear.)
Look at the difference in the hulls of a Tiger and a King Tiger and you'll see they made changes in these flaws. The front armor is sloped/angled/not-as-flat-as-a-brick-wall. Also, imagine yourself facing a king tiger from it's 1 or 11 o'clock, you'll notice the slanted/angled armor on the sides in the rear so that it's weaker sides are a much lower profile than on a tiger and pretty much just gives you the thick front armor (or turret) to hit at a bad angle.
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Ehhh... depends on the gun your using and the angle your hitting that front armor at. Their armor is thick in the front but is designed at the worst possible angle for incoming shells. One major flaw to the Tiger's armor over other tanks of that era was that it was very box-shape (which at the start of the war would of been fine, but with huge advances throughout the war on both sides in higher-velocity and better armor piercing guns/ammunition, you did not want to stop those shells with nothing but the pure thickness/mass of your armor like the tiger was designed to do, rather take that thick armor and angle it so most of an incoming shell's energy was deflected instead of absorbed). One common strategy was having your enemy at a 1 or 11 o'clock position, this resulted in the thick front armor deflecting the shells instead of trying to "eat" the shell with the pure mass of the front armor. But again due to the very box-like shape, this exposed the large and broad sides of the tiger to the enemy (though at a very steep angle, but still made it so a flanking tank didn't have to flank you as much to get a clean 90-degree shot to your side/rear.)
Look at the difference in the hulls of a Tiger and a King Tiger and you'll see they made changes in these flaws. The front armor is sloped/angled/not-as-flat-as-a-brick-wall. Also, imagine yourself facing a king tiger from it's 1 or 11 o'clock, you'll notice the slanted/angled armor on the sides in the rear so that it's weaker sides are a much lower profile than on a tiger and pretty much just gives you the thick front armor (or turret) to hit at a bad angle.
It true look at the Panther that why the back of the King Tiger or the Panther had slope in then out.
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well im just speaking out of what ive learned from the military and history channel, ruskies had to adopt some new tactics because those suckers were so tough and only a shot to their 6 would penetrate and destroy it fast, not to say it cant be done from the front, however it was just really difficult.
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can we please add the cromwell while were at it? please..?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell_tank
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg/300px-Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg)
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can we please add the cromwell while were at it? please..?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell_tank
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg/300px-Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg)
I would love to see the Cromwell be added. :pray :pray
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Any American tanks or Sherman variants are welcomed by me.
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PURE BRED AMERICAN ARMOR
M-26 Pershing
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26/m26_03.jpg)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26.asp (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26.asp)
M-36 Jackson
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36/m36_b1_01.jpg)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36.asp (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36.asp)
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PURE BRED AMERICAN ARMOR
M-26 Pershing
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26/m26_03.jpg)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26.asp (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tanks-heavy/m26.asp)
M-36 Jackson
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36/m36_b1_01.jpg)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36.asp (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m36.asp)
Pure German armor. (http://www.2blowhards.com/Panther%20V.jpg)
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I am utterly amazed when players whine about how the Firefly can kill their panzer or Tiger in 1 shot. It was able to do it in real life, why should it be any different in game?
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It shouldn't but it does eem to be able to take a little more than it should. I have had rounds from a Tiger bounce right off a firefly. That should not happen.
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It shouldn't but it does eem to be able to take a little more than it should. I have had rounds from a Tiger bounce right off a firefly. That should not happen.
Oh, I agree that there is something wonky about the GV damage model. I've had bombs bounce of my panzer before and explode harmlessly, something I doubt would have happened to a panzer in real life. However, I do think the guns are modeled rather accurately and the 17 pound gun did have enough velocity to be able to take out a Tiger with a single shot, provided it was at the proper range to make it possible.
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Oh, I agree that there is something wonky about the GV damage model. I've had bombs bounce of my panzer before and explode harmlessly, something I doubt would have happened to a panzer in real life. However, I do think the guns are modeled rather accurately and the 17 pound gun did have enough velocity to be able to take out a Tiger with a single shot, provided it was at the proper range to make it possible.
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Are you sure about that bomb bounce? I spent a good chunk of time last night cursing about a golden 500lber that landed 80 yards away from my panzer and got me. Must of been a really small bomb, or maybe a rocket or 75mm from a B25H?
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Are you sure about that bomb bounce? I spent a good chunk of time last night cursing about a golden 500lber that landed 80 yards away from my panzer and got me. Must of been a really small bomb, or maybe a rocket or 75mm from a B25H?
500 pounder dropped from a P-38L flown by a squaddie. The bomb hit the rear compartment and then appeared to bounce up and explode above my tank. I did lose the pintel gun but that may have been from the strafing my squaddie was doing as he was dropping the bomb.
Someone else posted a screenshot not to long ago showing almost the same exact thing but the bomb hit the cupola and bounced off.
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500 pounder dropped from a P-38L flown by a squaddie. The bomb hit the rear compartment and then appeared to bounce up and explode above my tank. I did lose the pintel gun but that may have been from the strafing my squaddie was doing as he was dropping the bomb.
Someone else posted a screenshot not to long ago showing almost the same exact thing but the bomb hit the cupola and bounced off.
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The top of any tanks in WW2 were very weak a 500lb bomb would just go right threw it i believe.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/8th_M26.jpg)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/8th_M26.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/240714255_703fc4c5d0.jpg?v=0)
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/240714255_703fc4c5d0.jpg?v=0)
title of thread is american tanks quit postin german armor start your own thread troll
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title of thread is american tanks quit postin german armor start your own thread troll
I know what the thread is all im posting is a German tank but am i saying that ever post that i make on this thread? No im not made my own threads why don't you learn how to use spell check.
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I know what the thread is all im posting is a German tank but am i saying that ever post that i make on this thread? No im not made my own threads why don't you learn how to use spell check.
uh need the grammer police!!!!!!! :D
i say we get the regular m4 sherman it was one of the most produced tanks of WWII
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uh need the grammer police!!!!!!! :D
i say we gte the regular m4 sherman it was one of the most produced tanks of WWII
-NEARY
It one of the biggest holes in the GV.
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I know what the thread is all im posting is a German tank but am i saying that ever post that i make on this thread? No im not made my own threads why don't you learn how to use spell check.
Then stay on topic you post potato.
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Then stay on topic you post potato.
Will do sir. :salute
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I don't know if many of you knows this, but we don't have a serious american tank. The closest thing we have is the M8.
Now for those of you saying "wow this guy is stupid, we have the sherman" well the sherman that we have is called the M4A4. This is the M4 that had a british 17 pounder for a main gun. This was not used much by americans, this was mainly used by Britain, France, and China.
Now i did some reserch and found that the M4A3 was the perefered tank of the americans.
Here is the picture:
http://www.military-collections.com/Planes%20of%20Fame%20photos/ShermanTank.jpg
And this is the sherman that we have:
http://www.liberationchildren.org/lib/lib4/images/Harderwijk.jpg
I may just be splitting hairs, but this tank I feel would be a good match against the Panzers. And it wouldn't be perked :aok
well ok if u want it to be as effective as a flakpanzer against real armour :aok
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we never had a serious american tank.. Those poor guys got slaughtered :O
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I would love to see an M4A3 :aok
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(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/300px-DD-Tank.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD_tank
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(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/300px-DD-Tank.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD_tank
:rofl:Love to drive them.
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I know what the thread is all im posting is a German tank but am i saying that ever post that i make on this thread? No im not made my own threads why don't you learn how to use spell check.
Spell check vs. Hijacking a Thread.... hmm...
TB wins.
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Spell check vs. Hijacking a Thread.... hmm...
TB wins.
Hmm who cares.
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we never had a serious american tank.. Those poor guys got slaughtered :O
EZ 8 ..... Pershing.... nothing serious.
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Hmm who cares.
who does? :noid
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who does? :noid
I don't there happy?
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Tigers were armoured the heaviest in the front, you could shoot at the front of it all day and not to much
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fVg6gFmuRlE
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fVg6gFmuRlE
Saw that one.I think he talking about the Jagdtiger.
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Saw that one.I think he talking about the Jagdtiger.
Not sure why you are talking about German tanks, or any other kind, but this is a request for the M4A3 :aok
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Not sure why you are talking about German tanks, or any other kind, but this is a request for the M4A3 :aok
No really did you just find that out? Good for you want a cookie now?
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No really did you just find that out? Good for you want a cookie now?
Are you serious kid? FYI he is the creator of the post, i think he new... And ill take that cookie!
I think the M4A3 would be an awsome tank to have, cause it was used alot.
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Are you serious kid? FYI he is the creator of the post, i think he new... And ill take that cookie!
I think the M4A3 would be an awsome tank to have, cause it was used alot.
That what i been saying it one of the biggest holes in the GV set it like not having the B-17 or the 109.
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I LOVE the M4A3 so much!
I love this post...I think I'm crying... :pray :cry
Can I have that cookie?
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I LOVE the M4A3 so much!
I love this post...I think I'm crying... :pray :cry
Can I have that cookie?
Need a hug?
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I'm fine...*sniffle*...I ust want the M4A3 Ingame by January 1st!! :mad:
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Need a hug?
Do you play or are you just a forum troll?
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Do you play or are you just a forum troll?
I play but not that much really can't pay for it now. :cry
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I play but not that much really can't pay for it now. :cry
Former h2h player?
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Former h2h player?
Who cares?
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Who cares?
Well ...me... that's why I'm asking.
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Well ...me... that's why I'm asking.
Money got tight around here have to cut things out.
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Money got tight around here have to cut things out.
Parents took away your allowance?
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Parents took away your allowance?
No uncle die need money to pay for the funeral and my brother use my mom money for drugs all 1,000 dollars are gone now. :mad:
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No uncle die need money to pay for the funeral and my brother use my mom money for drugs all 1,000 dollars are gone now. :mad:
If you expect anyone to believe this, you're insane.
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If you expect anyone to believe this, you're insane.
No it true happened about 5 or 6 mouths ago.
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Well, Even though i'm a Zink, I know that You are on drugs. :D
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And the sings are?When will you people stop pulling crap out of your ass?
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When will you people stop pulling crap out of your ass?
When you are able to post a coherent sentence, which my guess would be never.
ack-ack
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When you are able to post a coherent sentence, which my guess would be never.
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Or when you leave and or stop being a bellybutton every post you make. Oh FYI not ever one who play HTC is from American so i really don't have the best English here FYI. :aok
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Oh FYI not ever one who play HTC is from American so i really don't have the best English here FYI. :aok
Or it's just the Ritalin wearing off. :aok
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Or it's just the Ritalin wearing off. :aok
Or just i don't care that every one is here fighting with me over dumb toejam.
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Or when you leave and or stop being a bellybutton every post you make. Oh FYI not ever one who play HTC is from American so i really don't have the best English here FYI. :aok
No, not everyone is American, but most non-Americans on this board at least make an attempt at communicating clearly and with something that approaches content. You don't seem to do either, which makes you seem much more like a eight year old American kid badly in need of parental guidance.
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No, not everyone is American, but most non-Americans on this board at least make an attempt at communicating clearly and with something that approaches content. You don't seem to do either, which makes you seem much more like a eight year old American kid badly in need of parental guidance.
Bravo here your :O for you. You pass the test. :rofl