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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: ROC on June 11, 2006, 01:43:57 PM
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Next Scenario, Operation Downfall! (http://ahevents.org/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=122&Itemid=153)
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163s?262s?:huh
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Dont forget the 234s:aok
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234's........... :O
Man I hope I can play in this one.....
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LoL, looks like ill have to pass this one :). Cant do younger then 1941 ;).
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The Chance to participate in the battle that Almost happened ...
Decision to Invade the Japanese Homeland.
After successful landings on Luzon in January 1945, military planners began to seriously analyze the task of invading the Japanese home islands. The Army Chief of Staff, General George C. Marshall, and most Army leaders believed that an invasion was necessary to bring about Japan's unconditional surrender. However, Admiral Ernest King, Chief of Naval Operations, and General Hap H. Arnold, Army Air Forces Chief of Staff, believed that Japan was on the verge of collapse and that a continued naval and air blockade and bombardment, would produce Japan's surrender. In late April 1945, just one week after Truman reiterated what had been Roosevelt's policy of unconditional surrender, an intelligence report prepared for the Joint Chiefs of Staff warned that unconditional surrender could not be forced upon the Japanese before the middle or latter part of 1946 without a land campaign on the Japanese home islands. Therefore, in April 1945, at the height of the Luzon and Okinawa campaigns, the Joint Chiefs of Staff instructed Admiral Nimitz and General MacArthur to make plans and preparations for an attack on Japan. Admiral King opposed any landing in Japan; he was convinced that the Japanese Army had great advantages on their home islands, and only consented to the invasion after Admiral Nimitz recommended in favor of it. On 25 May 1945, the JCS issued a directive to begin formal planning for the campaign, code-named "Operation Downfall," which was to force Japan's unconditional surrender. Operation Downfall was divided into two major operations, Operation Olympic, the invasion of the island of Kyushu to be executed in the fall of 1945.and Operation Coronet, the invasion of Honshu, scheduled for the spring of 1946.
Here it is Guys in a nutshell .... the Biggest Battle planned yet . We are using any and all elements available to us .
Possistions open for CV/task group Comanders , GV /assault groups, Fighter groups, Bomber groups , and of course Kamakazi's .
Lives will not be limited .
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Originally posted by duh
163s?262s?:huh
The Japanese got 163's and 262's from their German allies (among many other aircraft, tanks, ships, etc., and licenses for manufacture). They produced some 163's as the Mitsubishi J8M/Ki-200 "Shusui" and some 262's as the Nakajima Ki-201 "Karyuu".
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planset/gv set sounds weird
are you guys plane recruit separatly ground and air units or there will be another ambush like last time?
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gvs will be capture and resupply mostly .. most of Operation Downfall will be a Air sepremacy battle ... with plenty of action ... you like exotic late war planes ,well this is it .
There will be a place and time for every aspect of the game thru-out the senario ,,, Dont worrie about getting stuck in a gv for the whole senario because its not designed to play out that way.
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i heard that last time too ;-)
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ramzey, you starting already?
One more time. We didn't ambush you. We gave the CO choices, they made them, take it up with them.
They will have choices in this one as well, I suggest you get involved in Their decisions as to what to use and when.
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Originally posted by ROC
ramzey, you starting already?
One more time. We didn't ambush you. We gave the CO choices, they made them, take it up with them.
They will have choices in this one as well, I suggest you get involved in Their decisions as to what to use and when.
Do i see a XO possistion in Ramzey's future :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Do i see a XO possistion in Ramzey's future :D
:rofl
I love that idea, or maybe CO. But hey, Ramzey's our reality checker. What would one of these be without Ramzey in here stirring the pot, it's been his job as long as I've been here.:aok
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Originally posted by Easyscor
:rofl
I love that idea, or maybe CO. But hey, Ramzey's our reality checker. What would one of these be without Ramzey in here stirring the pot, it's been his job as long as I've been here.:aok
Time to time , somone outside "CM mafia" ;) have to point som not wisest ideas
As for CO, never! Im good (at list i was ) in leading group or squadron and i can proove it again :)
Jordi is easy to catch in "be CO" trap :)
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How do you know if they are wise or not if you stay on the outside looking at just Snippets of the event? :D
Or is it the whole Mafia thing that get's you? Once you're in we won't let you go?
:noid
hehe, welcome to the next event Ramzey :) Really wouldn't be the same without you here, ya know.
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expirience? :D
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"The Japanese got 163's and 262's from their German allies (among many other aircraft, tanks, ships, etc., and licenses for manufacture). They produced some 163's as the Mitsubishi J8M/Ki-200 "Shusui" and some 262's as the Nakajima Ki-201 "Karyuu"."
Mmm_hmmmm. "On November 1st, 1945 -- X-day" those inferior copies would have faced the latest US models such as the P-51H, P-82, FR-1, F8F, F7F and P-80 (in the P.I. summer 1945 waiting for starters before the invasion).
:)
p.s. Should I even ask if this will be another weekend only event?
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Yes, this one is scheduled to be a weekend event.
I am considering a different timeframe, though, instead of 3pm EST.
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"I am considering ..."
First time in over three years I saw someone from the scenario teams express something like that. You have my sincere appreciation for having said so and, if it's possible to do another time frame, my gratitude also. Thanks ROC.
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Well Thank you for that Westy.
After seeing the great turnouts on things like FSO that runs well into the night, I know that there are better times to run an event than noon on the west coast or mid afternoon on the east.
Thinking of a couple of different times, what did you have in mind as a good scenario time slot? 6-7 EST? later? Trying to get it so the whole day isn't shot by stuffing an event in the middle of it, but not too late so the West Coast is done at a reasonable time but the East is up past midnight.
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Also have to keep in mind UK time, and maybe Australia time. It would be good to have to keep in mind Japan time, but I haven't seen Japanese players in a scenario yet.
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Originally posted by Brooke
Also have to keep in mind UK time, and maybe Australia time. It would be good to have to keep in mind Japan time, but I haven't seen Japanese players in a scenario yet.
Yes, please keep in mind the rest of the world :) I'm interested too, unless it's in odd hours.
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Well it looks great, later start time would be great as well,:aok
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"and maybe Australia time" - waddaya mean 'maybe' ? :)
But seriously - later is better for us down under. 3pm EST = 3am for me. Would be nice to sit down for a scenario AFTER the sun rises.
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How about 9am EST, 9pm australian, about 3pm in europe?
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6am west coast........................ ...
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No matter how you look at it, someone is going to be left out. What it really boils down to is who would be more interested in this event, Europeans, or Australians. I would assume that the Australians would be more interested in this scenario, but at the same time I would think there is a larger European player base.
7pm EST, 7am down under, 1am across the pond
4pm EST, 4am down under, 10pm across the pond
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Originally posted by ramzey
6am west coast........................ ...
yea ... you aint getting me up at 4 am to setup and CM this ...
(btw Im Host CM this time ...please send all Bribes in large demnominations to Roo's Swiss bank account )
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Switzerland is in yet a different time zone.
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Ive been waiting for a Scenario like this for a long time!! I am hear by calling a spot in an F6F Hellcat!! Oh gosh, my mouth is already watering!! I CANT WAIT!!!
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Ive been waiting for a Scenario like this for a long time!! I am hear by calling a spot in an F6F Hellcat!! Oh gosh, my mouth is already watering!! I CANT WAIT!!!
Thats what I like to hear:aok
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Can someone please skin a 262 and 163 hell...even an AR234 with jap colors for the scenario?
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done a long time ago:)
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Originally posted by Raptor
Thats what I like to hear:aok
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............. ...Japanese planes....................... .aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
:t
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So we will be using the jap skins?
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To be honest, I think 3pm Eastern is the best time to cover most timezones. 12 noon Pacific, 8pm in the UK, 10pm in Finland. I don't think you could easily deviate far from 3pm without upsetting a lot of people. This time wasn't arrived at by accident - it has evolved over the years. :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
To be honest, I think 3pm Eastern is the best time to cover most timezones. 12 noon Pacific, 8pm in the UK, 10pm in Finland. I don't think you could easily deviate far from 3pm without upsetting a lot of people. This time wasn't arrived at by accident - it has evolved over the years. :)
I agree.
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found this website while searching for a map of the planned invasion. This gives A LOT more detail into what was going to be "Operation Downfall"
http://www.ww2pacific.com/downfall.html (http://www.ww2pacific.com/downfall.html)
(http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8141/downfall_both.jpg)
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CC that Eagle, when building the terrain I looked at all kinds of maps for the planned invasion. Also major airfields on the terrain look like they did historically.
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sorry been off b.b. for a while :cry
when is this one going to happen and can i still get in??
please advise!!!!!!
Thanks
reddogtl :aok
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Registration hasn't opened yet but it's coming sooner then.... two weeks?:D
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Well hurry it up already!! I need to get my Hellcat fueled, armed, and ready to go! Not to mention all the white and red paint ill need to buy to paint on my "kills!" Lets get the show on the road already!! We've waited 60 years for this invation, lets get it done already, think we've had more then enough time for planning! lol :t :noid
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Originally posted by ramzey
Time to time , somone outside "CM mafia" ;) have to point som not wisest ideas
As for CO, never! Im good (at list i was ) in leading group or squadron and i can proove it again :)
Jordi is easy to catch in "be CO" trap :)
I've paid my dues = over and over again ! :)
Now when Pearl comes around . .. Call me a sentimental fool.
Jordi - EX CO many times over !
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What about the Russians? They would have gotten into the taking of at lest some of the Islands west of Japan if not more. Russans I'm sure had a plan for their own interests. Just 2cents of what might have been history.
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Been a hectic week so I'll just reply quickly. I would like a 9pmEST frame or two. I know it's selfish but they were done in AW, WB and ealry on in AH and there were no attendance problems
"I don't think you could easily deviate far from 3pm without upsetting a lot of people.
At this point in time and current AH player demographics you are probably right. Still, after having missed out on particpating in every scenario for the past 3-4 years because they were held on weekends at mid-day I'm not worried about some being upsate about missing a frame or two for change.
Well. good luck. Looks like another fun one and if there is a frame other than 3pmest on a Sat or Sun watch yer six. :)
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Originally posted by SKBG Seadog
What about the Russians? They would have gotten into the taking of at lest some of the Islands west of Japan if not more. Russans I'm sure had a plan for their own interests. Just 2cents of what might have been history.
Maybe in another scenario. But this one is based on the US plan, which did not include the Soviets. We don't want a North/South Japan like North/South Korea.
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Any news on the date we can register?? Seriously guys, its all im freaken thinking about!! What the f*ck did u guys do to me!! lol :t :t :t
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We call it bug bit. Doesn't sting at all but will cause insanity if not fed properly:D
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The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.....
I am all for moving the scenarios to a 6-8pm EST start time, when you truly consider the statement above it is the fair thing to do.
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It would be nice to have it in the evening(ET). It is summer afterall, and having it mid-day kinda ruins the rest of the weekend as far as doing anything. Summer weekends are too few.
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Back from Vacation, so I'll chime in a bit more ;)
EagleEyes, glad to see you so into this, great to have another addict among us.
Here, take a look at Operation Downfall Information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall) and see if that get's you going :)
Flossy makes a great point that the events time didn't arrive by accident, and has evolved over the years. To that point, the bulk of the scenarios over the years Have been at 3pm EST and In My Humble Opinion that has excluded some people rather consistantly.
It's not Fair to Everyone no matter what time slot is used, so I am going to rotate the times around slightly so that people get a break once in a while. It might be too early or late for one time zone, but it can't be beneficial to Only a few zones every time. That is the real unfairness.
The Real Key will be attendance. an FSO runs at 8pm PST, that's 11pm EST and it is starting to pull more players than Scenarios lol
I have No Problem whatsoever running these scenarios as Multiple Events. If there was a group that wanted to run a duplicate sceanrio at 4am EST to cover our European friends then I would support that 100%. An event could be designed to run Twice in one day, with a 12 hour difference, and No One would miss out on a reasonable time slot. This, of course, needs people to step up and not only Run them, but Attend in a large enough number to justify the effort.
Being Summer, I am most likely going to run Operation Downfall at 8 or 9 EST. Stalins was ran early, most of the past events have ran early so I'm going to try this and see if attendance perks up over Stalin levels. The event, with as many Fleets that are available, and the large opportunity for some massive fights, really needs more than 250 people to pull off, so this event needs to fill the slot where Most players are Playing.
The Next Event? We'll see, like I said, don't want to leave anyone out so it might be 3AM PST :)
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Originally posted by ROC
Being Summer, I am most likely going to run Operation Downfall at 8 or 9 EST.
Wonderful. No point me following this thread any longer then.
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same here... Out
Have fun all
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So, is there any way to download the map. I really want to see it and i have dial-up so its gonna take forever to download. Hopefully i can!! :D
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help us rush skuzzy into building it so it can be used online.
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Originally posted by Flossy
Wonderful. No point me following this thread any longer then.
Sends Gweedo the Squirrel over to Roc's place ....
(http://www.autowitch.org/toys/makeyourowndamntombstone.php?line1=Here%20lies%20Roc&line2=Tried%20to%20change%20&line3=time%20on%20scenariroo's)
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
So, is there any way to download the map. I really want to see it and i have dial-up so its gonna take forever to download. Hopefully i can!! :D
Japan terrain available for download in the SEA
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I just downloaded the Japan terrain from the SEA. A brief test flight from a CV showed a problem with the terrain cell for the Rook HQ (Tokyo). The structures (buildings, bridges, ships, etc.) are there but the ground features are missing. It appears that you can't see anything at elevation 0 (I didn't actually check the elevation but that's what it looked like from 3000'); no ground or water. It's just a big white square area which contains the port and city structures.
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Looking into it, but I think you just need to let the textures load.
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Better not download it yet, there is an error with custom object's textures.
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the custom textures are wacked .... hangers , towers , tokyo looks like godzilla ate it ,,,,ect
(passes the towel)
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good thing i havent downloaded it yet. Its gonna take me awhile since i have dial-up! Looken forward to it though!
And to everyonce hard work on this...............THANKS A MILLION!! I know you all put a lot of personal time into this and dont get a penny for it! You guys are the reason why Aces High is so much fun!!
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Skuzzy made a boo boo when building it, alls better now and you can download the terrain once again from the SEA arena. Please report any bugs to me via PM or AH_Raptor01@Yahoo.com
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Don't try to drive pt boats under the bridges in Tokyo off line.
Flips and kills em . Just a heads up.
Bronk
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Terrains UP :aok
textures are all in .. and it seams to work .... bug testers wanted ... thx
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Flew A1 to Tokyo to Niigata. Looked good. No main gun turrets on the war ships at Tokyo but maybe there's a reason for that. Second flight A37, out over the bay and then land A38 also looked good. Large airports seemed to have dirt runways. Is that correct?
Over all, an impressive job of scenery design. :^)
- MAG1C
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Primary Airfields are paved, secondary ones were made as dirt.
Primary Paved airfields "might" have a specific higher end aircraft assigned to it, but that's something for Recon to figure out ;)
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Main airfields are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. These are based on the actual airfields in Japan at the end of the war. other main fields are P59, V123 and P86. P59 and V123 are actually Tokyo, P86 is Nagasaki. The remaining port is placed where Hiroshima would have been, which will appear in the terrain at a later time (but not in time for this scenario).
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Rap its otw
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Originally posted by jordi
I've paid my dues = over and over again ! :)
Now when Pearl comes around . .. Call me a sentimental fool.
Jordi - EX CO many times over !
Ahhh hell jordi, All you top brass do is sit around command center and drink coffee. :rofl
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I noticed that the arena was using the old calibration mode; ie, it asked to set altitude by clicking on target on map and to keep crosshairs on a ground target to set speed. Also, if you bail out, you cannot exit flight until you actually hit the ground.
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it will be set at the old / hard cal mode ... so you better pratice .
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
it will be set at the old / hard cal mode ... so you better pratice .
in my best Mr burns voice "Excellent"
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
it will be set at the old / hard cal mode ... so you better pratice .
Really, I thought that was decided against.
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Hey, since i dont have time to read all of this...
1. This hasnt happened yet right?
2. Individuals can sign up right?
3. What days, and what time is that GMT?
4. How can i practice with the old calibration mode?
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Reynolds, 1: not yet, 2: yes but bringing friends is better, 3: TBA and 4:Not as simple as 1,2 and 3.
Go offline and from clipboard- left click Options>Arena Setup>Environment>Arena Settings. Scroll down to FlightModeFlags and double click on it.
Change the Auto Calibrate Bombsight to un Xed and click OK.
You can also select the Precision Bombsight at the same time. This will give you a green crosshair that will show you where your bombs will fall. Use it to check how well you calibrated. Once you get it down, turn it off and practice without it.
The difference between the "old" bombsight and the no-brainer is you must track an point on the ground with your cross hairs for few seconds(3 minimum, 9 better) while holding Y. You also must be at the same alt and speed you will be droping at(or be good at "windage", adjusting you drop to allow for a small change in alt and/or speed).
The other difference is you must Shift + Left click on the intended target on the map while in calibration mode(after the first U is pressed). The bombsight does not follow changes in terrein elevations like in the MA.
If you taget is at sea level you can do all this out at sea. Even click on water to set target alt. But all bombers gain alt and speed for a long time at full thottle even in auto level, so you need to either reduce power to maintain alt and speed(settings depend on the bomber) or wait till you are on final to calibrate(best).
But the target alt select can be done as soon as you level for speed. If you do it while you are climbing it will throw you into auto level. When you level off, just go to F6, hit U and shift+left click on target and hit U again. One less thing to worry about on final aproach.
I know it sound complex, but a lot of us old hands got good at it and it more closely resembles the way it was really done back then. I find the new way distastful and without reward.
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thx Hacksaw good right up .
remember its harder to get the eggs "in the pickle barrel" at 20k this way .
at the lower 10k alt its really easy ... we also expect to see Kamakazi runs also
(this will not be frowned on because it was part of Japans plans on stopping the Allied Fleets) you have unlimited planes /lives and deaths do not count in this Scenario .
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Thanks!
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It is looking like bombing mode will be the same as in the main arena (i.e., the so called "easy mode") for numerous reasons that have been gone over in the past. However, there will likely be a 5 mph wind, which makes a big difference in bombing.
See the rules set here for the most up-to-date information on settings. Note that settings are filled in quite yet, but they will be soon:
http://ahevents.org/site/images/stories/scenarios_images/200607_Downfall/downfallRules.html
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I'm sure I read somehwere that there would be some RN carriers involved?
But when you read through the Task groups and ship names, it seems to be all the US and no RN.
Just curious
Cheers Hawco
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Originally posted by Hawco
I'm sure I read somehwere that there would be some RN carriers involved?
But when you read through the Task groups and ship names, it seems to be all the US and no RN.
Just curious
Cheers Hawco
Might have to bribe em with a few cases of rum Hawco.:aok