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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Max on December 26, 2009, 08:13:15 AM
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Sooner or later I plan to replace XP Pro (32bit) with Win7.
Should I consider spending the extra $70 for Win 7 Pro for the sake of getting the XP based software compatibility feature?
Thanks
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This is not the exact answer your looking for but I installed wind 7 pro but also kept xp pro...i use a dual boot for now. I also used a upgrade version of wind 7 pro to install my full version of windows 7.
This way I can slowly migrate over to 7, while letting more software and hardware become compatible ( or fix compatibility issues) with 7 and MS do thier updates to any unforseen problems.
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XP mode is meant for busineses running old software it can never replace XP as a gaming platform. Keep both so you can play your older games in case they wont work in windows7.
On the other hand if you're not getting a brand new computer do _not_ upgrade from XP. There's simply no reason to do it.
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After two months of helping my brother with Windows 7, and two years of helping him with Vista before that, I can't see much improvement from Vista to Windows 7.
I had planned on installing Windows 7 but my experiences with it so far have convinced me to keep XP as long as possible.
Unless you have some compelling reason to change I wouldn't.
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After two months of helping my brother with Windows 7, and two years of helping him with Vista before that, I can't see much improvement from Vista to Windows 7.
I had planned on installing Windows 7 but my experiences with it so far have convinced me to keep XP as long as possible.
Unless you have some compelling reason to change I wouldn't.
What kind of help did he need?
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What kind of help did he need?
Name it. He's a computer noob but I've grown familiar enough with both OS's to not like either. For instance, he's here right now and wanted to eliminate the need for a password when loggnig into Windows 7. Easy enough but then McAfee reports that he's not protected and produces an error when trying to fix it. Re-enabling the password fixes the McAfee problems. Bah.
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Solution:
McAfee Blows. Remove it. :)
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Solution:
McAfee Blows. Remove it. :)
I've got it on three machines (all running XP) and didn't have any of these problems when disabling password protection. Vista and Win7 blow.
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I've got it on three machines (all running XP) and didn't have any of these problems when disabling password protection. Vista and Win7 blow.
To each his own, I run Avast and have no problemos with the issue you're having...
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I run ESET Smart Security Suite and have added and removed passwords on both Vista and Win 7 never an issue. The problem is within the McAfee not the OS's
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Name it. He's a computer noob but I've grown familiar enough with both OS's to not like either. For instance, he's here right now and wanted to eliminate the need for a password when loggnig into Windows 7. Easy enough but then McAfee reports that he's not protected and produces an error when trying to fix it. Re-enabling the password fixes the McAfee problems. Bah.
Well there's your problem right there!
Quite simple actually...I have Win7 Ultimate 64 bit on 2 computers and Vista 64 bit on my wifes laptop and all work great...with whatever virus protection as long as it isn't Symantec or McAfee. On my 2 Win7 systems I am using ESET; on my wifes system she has Trendmicro and it is ok for what she does.
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That's not the only problem. That's just a "for instance".
Another is that almost every application has to be installed running it as an administrator or it causes problems. That means for simple apps off the net you have to D/L them to the HD before you can install them rather than just running them. Furthermore, some apps will cause problems if installed to the programs folder (I thought Win7 fixed that but I guess not) and a lot of apps still aren't compatible with Win7.
XP simply doesn't have any of these issues and I can't imagine why you'd want to purposefully increase your frustration level with your OS.
Maybe one day MS will get this stuff sorted out but Win7 is no improvement over Vista. I guess I'll wait to see what they do with Mojavi :) .
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That's not the only problem. That's just a "for instance".
Another is that almost every application has to be installed running it as an administrator or it causes problems. That means for simple apps off the net you have to D/L them to the HD before you can install them rather than just running them. Furthermore, some apps will cause problems if installed to the programs folder (I thought Win7 fixed that but I guess not) and a lot of apps still aren't compatible with Win7.
XP simply doesn't have any of these issues and I can't imagine why you'd want to purposefully increase your frustration level with your OS.
Maybe one day MS will get this stuff sorted out but Win7 is no improvement over Vista. I guess I'll wait to see what they do with Mojavi :) .
With over 200 Vista installs and over 60 Windows 7 in 2009 I have not run into any of these issues.
TD
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With over 200 Vista installs and over 60 Windows 7 in 2009 I have not run into any of these issues.
TD
Then again just installing them doesn't give you the experience of actually using them.
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Then again just installing them doesn't give you the experience of actually using them.
I own Win 7 pro on 3 systems and Vista on 4 systems and none of these issues.
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I own Win 7 pro on 3 systems and Vista on 4 systems and none of these issues.
Sure, but quite a step down from 100 systems, right? :)
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Sure, but quite a step down from 100 systems, right? :)
Yet still that's 7 more systems that he has over Bald that don't have problems.
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Yet still that's 7 more systems that he has over Bald that don't have problems.
Add to that at some level he has to support the systems he sells as well. That in itself counts for a lot of experience. Been there done that.
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XP mode is meant for busineses running old software it can never replace XP as a gaming platform. Keep both so you can play your older games in case they wont work in windows7.
On the other hand if you're not getting a brand new computer do _not_ upgrade from XP. There's simply no reason to do it.
I've had some issues with AH crashing in 64 bit win7 , it could still turn out that it was my own stupid fault when installing AH the first time around...
I went for the Pro because it was the same price with the student upgrade £39 for pro and a disc. ;)
If you've decided to do it I would agree with what mrripley has said. No harm in making it dual boot. If your like me and the only game you really play is AH make a smaller partition. Backup all your files onto a external or second hard drive and it isn't such a big deal.
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hey guys just wanted to let yall know.... if you have anyone in collage and they have a good email address from the school. they can get windows 7 home p for $30.00.... ,microsoftstudent.com... offer is good until 01/31/2010....
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
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Windows 7 is much better than Vista, especially for laptops.
McAfee and Norton both, are viruses on Vista and Windows 7. Avoid them like anyone should avoid a virus and your computer will be much better off.
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General question: Will Windows 7 Pro gives you control over the system's security policy similar to Windows XP Pro?
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Windows 7 is much better than Vista, especially for laptops.
McAfee and Norton both, are viruses on Vista and Windows 7. Avoid them like anyone should avoid a virus and your computer will be much better off.
Errr retail versions suck, but McAfee *corporate* (8.7i) is the best AV on the planet IMHO with the new Artemis stuff. If you can legitimately lay your hands on 8.7 nothing else comes close, it has a low foot print, it's unobtrusive, it has awesome behavioral blocking, and the best heuristics out there with Artemis enabled.
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Errr retail versions suck, but McAfee *corporate* (8.7i) is the best AV on the planet IMHO with the new Artemis stuff. If you can legitimately lay your hands on 8.7 nothing else comes close, it has a low foot print, it's unobtrusive, it has awesome behavioral blocking, and the best heuristics out there with Artemis enabled.
Yep, too bad 99.99% of everyone that buys an anti-virus gets it off the shelf or via an OEM and that product is one of the worst there is. It and Norton are absolutely abysmal. Too bad too many people are not versed well enough in these products to understand the crap they are. I guess Norton and McAfee both count on that ignorance.
*Crap, in this context, is defined as high CPU overhead, intrusive and yet ineffective viral detection mechanisms. And let us not forget how they can manage to leave a computer in a state where only a format and re-installation of the OS is the only effective method of removing them from your computer. Or hopw they prevent applications from updating config files because they think the legitimate application is a virus, while they allow real viruses to slide on by.
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Yep, too bad 99.99% of everyone that buys an anti-virus gets it off the shelf or via an OEM and that product is one of the worst there is. It and Norton are absolutely abysmal. Too bad too many people are not versed well enough in these products to understand the crap they are. I guess Norton and McAfee both count on that ignorance.
*Crap, in this context, is defined as high CPU overhead, intrusive and yet ineffective viral detection mechanisms. And let us not forget how they can manage to leave a computer in a state where only a format and re-installation of the OS is the only effective method of removing them from your computer. Or hopw they prevent applications from updating config files because they think the legitimate application is a virus, while they allow real viruses to slide on by.
Could not agree more....
There is FREE stuff out there that performs loads better than either of these abysmal pieces of "protection"....
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Yup totally agree on the retail and small business products skuzzy. I dunno why they do it that way when the corporate product is so freakin good, doesn't make sense.
Having said that I believe they are trying to cater for the 'stupid beyond all reason' market, having seen what some home users are capable of doing :D
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hey guys just wanted to let yall know.... if you have anyone in collage and they have a good email address from the school. they can get windows 7 home p for $30.00.... ,microsoftstudent.com... offer is good until 01/31/2010....
Offer ends the 3rd. Not the 31st.
Wish I'd have known this a week ago. LOL
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I have 4 systems that run Linux RedHat, XP, Vista, and 7 Ultimate. While I had many issues with Vista, I haven't had any with 7 yet. I'll stress yet, but I've lasted longer without problems then I did with Vista. Everyone touts the stability of XP, but remember, XP had ALOT of issues right out of the box too. The reason it's so stable right now is for the fact that it's been around for a while. Also Mojavi = Vista. It was a codename that Microsoft used for Vista for a "man on the street" ad campaign a while back. They invited strangers to check out a "new" OS destined to replace XP, everyone loved it (what can ya expect from a 2 minute demo). Dump the Vista, go to 7, you don't need Pro unless your using the system for business.