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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Löwe on March 15, 2004, 04:46:42 PM
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This thread isnt intended as a swipe at Axis or Allied. I've flown on both sides , probably more on the Axis. This is my opinon, but you have to work harder on the Axis side usually. Not that the Luftwaffe planes are no good. It's just a different discipline than flying Allied.
Now there are a few guys like Shane, and Fester. Who can fly anything with equal success, thats not the case for most of us.
Why so many Axis complaints??
For one thing there is usually more Allied flying than Axis. This isnt always the case, but it's most often the case.
Plane types, are to be considered as well. You figure a usual 1944 ETO your going to have 1 or 2 models of the 109 , and 1 or 2 models of the FW-190. Even if it's a G2, or G6 ,109,,,, they are both 109s subject to basically the same weakness, and strengths.Against say P-51s, and P-47s as we had last week, this is a pretty cool setup.
When you throw every available RAF/USAAF fighter available at them your looking at these guys with having ethier the 109, or 190 fighting against........ P-47s, P-38s, P-51s, Spitfires, Tempest, and Hurricanes.
Not throwing in the sub models of each aircraft this is 2 vs 6 basically. What happens is you have a flight of guys in 109s engage a flight of P-51s. Both sides are using their planes attributes to counter the enemys . Next thing you know a couple of Spits show, up, or Hurricanes, and it completely changes the dynamics of the fight. usually in the Allies favor because of the distinct differences in aircraft they have. Add to the fact that almost every USAAF fighter has a jabo capability, better than any one LW aircraft..................... . Well it can suck being Luftwaffe.
The week after week of fighting superior numbers of both people, and aircraft types , can start to wear guys down. So it's not that out of line that people get surely , and start thinking that there are things like an anti Axis CT staff. Even though it's absurd , the constant effort put into holding onto the chitty end of the stick gets to most people every now and then. Guys like Eagler never complain , they just go on and manage to kill Allies anyway. He's the exception.
Most average pilots like myself , just get burned out. In fact it's not hard for guys to start buying into the anti Axis conspiracey , because all you ever see is a sky full of what seems like unlimited types of allied fighters, against your same ole Gustav , or Wurger.
Storch takes a lot of grief from us at times. He takes it from me as well. His rants seem stupid , and uncalled for. However there is a touch of truth in what he says. It's not the grand conspirecy he claims. It's the conditions , not the conspirecy. I think he has just gotten fed up, and gone overboard. I think many of us have gotten fed up , and gone overboard in the other direction. By this I mean we now completely refuse to listen to what he's saying with an open mind.
I know one of my best friends ever Jester is going to dissagree with what I am promoting but.......................... ............
I think the answer is limiting the fighter types to 2 or 3 for each setup. I've been luftwaffe and seen B-17s on the far eastern edge of the map escorted by P-51s, and Spitfires. Thats the kind of stuff that wears down Axis squads, and pilots after a while. Spitfires didnt escort from thre UK to Germany historically, but they can in AH. So why give them the chance to do what they couldnt do historically??
Limit the setups to RAF vs LW, USAAF vs LW , VVS, vs LW, USN/USMC vs IJ, or USAAF vs IJ. I know I'm allied , and I may get fragged for this, but some of these setups using 6 or more Allied types against 2 on the Axis is just sending out an invitation for gang rape.
Even if one plane may bring crys of uber , or un-ballanced it's still going to be a hell of a lot more ballanced than having it and 5 other models to fly.
I think the Axis pilots are high caliber enough to handle any setup that doesnt border on the ridiculas. I've read accounts of mixed fights between spits, hurris, against 109s, or 110's. Mixed fights of P-51s, and P-47s, against 109s , and 190s.
Do you ever hear of fights that consisit of 109, and 190s , against P-38s, P51s, P47s, spits, Hurris, tempest, and the odd A20 furballer anywhere in your history books?
Most Units especially RAF, and Luftwaffe had certain sectors they operated in. So chance of running into more than one or two types of enemy fighters were very rare.
This is just a suggestion, and opinon. Do with it what you want.:aok
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I have no problem i die in both realy well:D
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Sorry , I have to disagree. Variety in setups adds spice, it doesnt detract it from it. There will be no "magic" in taking a "2-3" fighters approach.
Look at Finn-Russ? its a great setup, and a great map. Lots of variety there too. Personally I think ETO 1943/44, is a fine set too, lots of stuff there. Most of the best setups have some good variety. I really think thats the CT at its best, a particular time era but inclusive as possible with the proper types.
Past that, and you are really asking for a Duelling Arena.
My 2 cents there.
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Yes Warloc, your right It adds spice. However only for the allied guy. I'm not saying do away with bombers, or GV's. Maybe I'm wrong but isnt the CT supposed to represent small parts or scenarios of the airwar? I don't believe what I'm suggesting is turning it into the dueling arena, anymore than the usual 44/45 scenario with all of the different allied type planes turns it into the Main arena.:)
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I blame the Germans for concentrating solely on 109 and 190 variants.
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arlo has a logical, but yet reasonable point.
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Originally posted by Löwe
Do you ever hear of fights that consisit of 109, and 190s , against P-38s, P51s, P47s, spits, Hurris, tempest, and the odd A20 furballer anywhere in your history books?
I agree. I like fights of one or two types per side. The vast majority of air battles that I have read about consist of one type of fighter VS. one type on the opposition, often with a bomber type being escorted. Sometimes you read about two types on a side, very rarely more. It also seemed uncommon to mix allied countries in a battle (at a particular time and airspace - truly mixed together), even U.S. and Britain.
In the CT, it seems the norm to have a great mix of fighters per side. I think that this takes away from historical immersion, IMO.
eskimo
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While I like variety, I think Löwe has a good point.
For one thing, you've got fans of five or six aircraft ganging up on fans of two. Just because of that you're going to favor the Allied side over the Axis by encouraging people to join the side with their favorite toy. Now if you limit it to USAAF vs. LW then maybe that Typhoon fan will fly Fw190s and if it is RAF vs. LW maybe a P-51 fan will take a Bf109 against those Spits.
Now it is, too frequently, "I'll just join the side that has my P-38/P-47/P-51/Spit/Hurri/Tiffe". That is six kinds of fans right there and then you add in minor rides like the A-20 and Mossie. Against that you have Bf109 and Fw190 fans with the Bf110 as a minor ride.
Add on top of that the fact that all the US aircraft (save the 2,000lbers on the P-38) are modeled with their ordanance overload and the Axis get a pretty short end of the stick.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
arlo has a logical, but yet reasonable point.
Hey Arlo, you hear that? You're being reasonable. Stop it!!!!
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Early in the day. Not enough beer. :D
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There are problems we will never be able to "fix" in the CT, and we shouldn't try. Players have a lot of the blame or credit on their shoulders for making things more interesting...I think there is already too much "social engineering" in the CT.
Get a year, a theater, fill the set, fly it.
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Like Lowe, I've flown on the dark side a lot. It is a bit different. Yes, the allies usually have a larger selection of planes, just as they did in real life. I've heard the anti-axis stuff and some will always believe it. To be successful in axis planes, you have to fly smart to be successful. Eskimo and Eagler fly them to the planes strengths.
I think we get used to thinking whether a plane set is fair, instead of what was historic for the time period of the map involved. If I get killed, I don't blame the plane. I blame the pilot, because I probably did something stupid and deserved to get killed. Now if they could just fix the server....
:mad:
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Originally posted by Arlo
I blame the Germans for concentrating solely on 109 and 190 variants.
Heh heh. There's a lot of truth in this. Seems to me that I'm almost always flying Axis in order to even out the numbers (and WHY IS IT that those numbers invariably favor the Allies?). For me, the frustration isn't caused by too many types of allied planes. Being realistic, I'm going to get gunned down, no matter what kind of plane set I'm up against. Instead, I find I get bored by the fact that I'm always flying one of about three different plane types. Not a thing we can do about that, there just isn't much variety in the axis rides (unless you count having five different 109s, four different 190s and two different Zekes as variety). It's one of the two prices we pay for an Axis v. Allied arena (the other being that almost any setup will be unbalanced one way or the other).
But I do like Lowe's limited plane set suggestion, for the reasons he and Eskimo cite. It's just plain more realistic. I really enjoyed our Japanese v. P-38 setup two weeks ago. Similarly, last week's European scenario and this week's PAC situation feature(d) limited choices per side, and it worked out very well.
- oldman (but we DO need enough choices per side so that I can still fly the Hurri I and the 202 occasionally)
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You guys might consider actually stepping out of the rarified atmoshpere of arenas once in awhile and flying a Snapshot, CAP, or Sqaud Op event too...the CT isnt the only place that "WW2" stuff is done in AH.
My squad does 4-5 missions per week, only one of them is the CT, the rest are limited life SEA events. Most fun flying in AH, imho. It will also give you a different taste of the a/c and time periods, and tactical challenges involved.
Just saying, the more the merrier, thats all, nobody is "better" that flies them, its just a different experience.
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Ta152, Me262, and Me 163 have all seen use in the CT recently, and were before too.
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Squire, I think Lowe had a good point. Would it kill the CM staff to try it for one week?
I flew Axis a lot too, and I got burned out real fast only flying 109s and 190s against the endless barage of spits and hurris. When the 202s and 205s were brought out, once every blue moon, I flew 'em. I tried the Ta 152 and Me 163 when I could. The Me 262 was always perked beyond what I had, so I couldn't fly it even if I wanted to. And when FinnRuss came up, well- you all know where I was then, but that's another story.
I know I wasn't the best pilot in the lot, heck- I still cheer if I get the darn plane landed without planting the nose in the dirt, so a lot of times my being shot down was my own fault- most of the time, really. But when you look back and have 5 planes on your 6 and they're all different.. it makes it incredibly difficult to get out of that alive because no matter what you do, one of their 5 planes can do it better.
It's a reasonable suggestion, in my mind, to drop the number of allied fighters once. See how it works, see what people think. If its been done before, Fine. But if it hasn't, where's the harm in trying? It can't be anyworse than some of the set-ups we've seen in the past, but it could be a lot better.
And, I agree with Diable- Arlo, you are definately slipping if anyone in here says your being logical. ;)
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yeah.. let's try the whole 109/190 line up vs say the...
p51b... and just the 51b (of course maybe toss in a20/b26's)...
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Originally posted by Shane
yeah.. let's try the whole 109/190 line up vs say the...
p51b... and just the 51b (of course maybe toss in a20/b26's)...
I'd vote for that. May give me a chance to fly allied for a week.
- oldman
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Good point Löwe.
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Originally posted by Shane
yeah.. let's try the whole 109/190 line up vs say the...
p51b... and just the 51b (of course maybe toss in a20/b26's)...
This sounds good to me.
Give the Germans the usual Ju-87 & 88s as well.
eskimo
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Well said Lowe.. I've been getting pretty burned out as well and your post made me realise the mechanics of this. If you fly for the lower #s side you'll be flying axis about 90% of the time (early war setups being the main exception) which pretty much makes for an uphill battle most weeks. Starting to understand what the real LW pilots faced week after week (which I'm guessing wasn't much fun for them either). At this point I'll be taking a break from the CT for a while.. It was good flying with you fellas and happy landings!
Sqrl
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Originally posted by Squirrel
At this point I'll be taking a break from the CT for a while.. It was good flying with you fellas and happy landings!
Sqrl
(Oldman runs down the dusty road)
"Sqrl, come back! Come back, Sqrl!"
- oldman (and, hey, you'd better not take Jinks with you)
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Yup.
The good ol' Allied "combo factor".
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Originally posted by Oldman731
[- oldman (and, hey, you'd better not take Jinks with you) [/B]
Uh oh, I think he's already on a vacation from the CT sad to say. Maybe you should come fly with us in the friday night squad-ops sometime. I'm sure our host squad (the nightmares) would be more than happy to have you as another "independent" :) . These things are essentially 3-frame historical scenarios and can be quite a bit of fun you know.
Sqrl
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As for the Pacific, well, there's nothing we can really do about it right now, but when HTC adds the Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Ki-84, Ki-102, J2M3, N1K1-J, ect, ect the situation will get a lot better for the Japanese. They fielded a wide variety of aircraft as well.
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Ughh...I hate to break this to you guys but we just did a P-51B vs 109 and 190 setup last week.
We all been sleeping lately?
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you also had the jug and 38. and were missing some of the 109's and fw's like the 109f4, g2 and 190a5...
toss them in the mix, especially the 109f4... and you know... nice "combo."
but fine, how abt this, full lw axis set vs spit9.
or the full ijn/a set vs.... oh... f6.
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The entire IJ planeset vs. the F4U-1 (in Jolly Rogers colors). No bombers. No fleets. THEN maybe VF-17 can fly a full week without having to fly IJ to balance numbers. Most of us could care less how many types of planes the other side has (or ours, for that matter). But if that's what attracts the CT casual visitors then, yeah. Just the F4U-1 versus the Japanese Air Force and Navy. It'd be a great way to practice the Hog. Lawd knows I could use it - the rust on me is an inch thick. Do it. Doitdoitdoit. Next time Pac rotates in. DO IT!
No whines. No excuses. No charts or statistics. No sitting out in protest. No seppuku. :D
(http://www.destroy-all-monsters.com/images/seppuku3.jpg)
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Well what would stand in for the Tojo and the Frank? 190A4 for the Shoki at a pinch but the Frank?
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la7 for the frank.
:D
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Well what would stand in for the Tojo and the Frank? 190A4 for the Shoki at a pinch but the Frank?
Why does there need to be? Ain't both A6Ms, the Tony and the George enough versus the F4U-1? That's 4 models versus one. The Hog drivers end up actually experiencing more diversity in the setup though. The IJ pilots know exactly what they'll be facing ... over and over and over and over and over.
But hell ... if it'll take subbing to actually make this work (like in "Second Wind") .. sure ... sub anything for anything. 190s, LA7s and 5s, 110s, Jugs and ponies, P-38s with meatballs painted on em ... sub every single plane modeled in the game except the F4U-1. Paint em up .... ship em out. In this corner the F4U-1. In that corner ... everything else. :D
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So do:
USAAF 8th AF vs LW Spring 44- P47D11s, P38s and P51Bs vs 109Gs and 190A8s. B26s for the 8th and 110s and Ju88 for the LW
RAF vs LW 43-Tiffies, Spit V and IX vs 109Gs and 190As. Mossies and Bostons for bombers for the RAF and Ju88 and 110 for the LW
RAF vs LW late 44-45 on the continent-Spit IX, XIV, Tiffie Tempest, vs 109G6, G10, 190A8 190 D9 with Me262 and Ta152 mixed in. Same bombers as 43 and maybe AR234
USAAF 9th AF vs LW late 44-45-P51B,D P47D28, P38L vs 109G6, G10, 190A8, 190D9 withTA152 & 262 mixed in. A20G and B26 for the 9th AF and 110 and Ju88 for the LW and maybe the AR234
Dan/Slack
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Yeah .... make sure you use "we" cause you can't kick anyone's arse one on one. As far as "pinhead" goes ... did you forget where the door was again? You threw another hissy and left, remember? :D :aok
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I dunno, I kinda like this entire IJN vs F6 idea. :)
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I find it kinda amusing that some wanna whine about someone elses whine. Yet you go look in the CT all day today and the numbers have been 3 to 1 in favor of the Allies. And even though so many here claim that the setup is just perfect and no one on Allies switches to even it up.
Folks make claims that the plane vs. plane shows that the numbers game is all in favor of Axis is yet again BS. Kinda hard not to get excessive numbers when your clearly outnumbered with more targets to shoot at.
I dont' remember seeing that in the last setup. It's funny how any time the Allies got out numbered Axis players would switch to even the odds. Either some here are stupid, full of BS or just plainly biased in favor of the Allied aircraft. Then they have the gull to talk crap when they get a kill in a 3 on 1 situation.
They might as well take out the option to land since we have so many players with quake mentality. In addition to that why even have realistic armament load outs. Just make your ammo unlimited. Oh wait that might actually get folks to wanna stay alive longer so they can get more kills. Which in the process would mean they are actually thinking about how to stay alive and not just worry about how many kills can I get in the shortest amount of time. I'm sure that'd be too much to ask from some of the simple minded folks.
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Oh look another that thinks he's "elite".
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I dont' remember seeing that in the last setup. It's funny how any time the Allies got out numbered Axis players would switch to even the odds. Either some here are stupid, full of BS or just plainly biased in favor of the Allied aircraft. Then they have the gull to talk crap when they get a kill in a 3 on 1 situation.
The term you are looking for is "farm boi opportunist"
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I dont see your sqaud in the S.Os, Snapshots, CAPs or other events "tough guy".
Wotan whine Batz
Kapitan Quitter of JG/4 "Defunkt" :) Pfft.
Farm boy oppurtunist, nice insult when made from the ground hehe.
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Portions of the post were edited because they had the unintended effect of causing insult to others who have nothing to do with the current argument. After being made aware of this fact I decided to edit out the portion of this thread that was the cause of this unintended insult.
This reply was Originally posted on 03-17-2004 07:39 PM and edited on 03-18-2004 02:21 AM
Tough guy eh? I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire let alone be motivated enough to play "tough guy". You and your squad are nothing but whiney *****es and nothing that concerns me at all.
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Every post you make you try to sound like your something special.
Face it, you dont want to mess with what you cant handle. All your silly chest thumping is funny.
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Not only that but you are complete wuss as well to edit out your reply to cobra. You are a helluva gal aint ya?
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I'm glad the kinder nicer Batz left he was boring. ;)
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Whats wrong Squire/Warloc did i hit a nerve. You must fit the profile that was previously stated? No one ever said I was elite nor did anyone make even the slightest hint to it.
Why is it you hide only in the CT and don't go to the MA? What you might figure out that your not all that you think you are? That there may actually be alot more folks who are as good if not better than you? Or is it the fact it's taken you over 2 years to get where you are which isn't far compared to some pilots on here?
Having 2 years worth of experience means you should be a god compared to the majority. Put your b@lls where your mouth is and then maybe you'll have the ability, better yet the privaledge to even know what an "elite" player might be. As opposed to ofcourse hidding in the CT and thinking your gods gift to this earth and AH.
I guess the possibility of finding anything other than a gaggle fight (furball) or the more often than not 3 on 1 is just too much for you to handle. Maybe you can do some research on the finer points of ACM; 1 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2, 2 vs. 1 and 2 vs. 2 engagements and the similiar/disimiliar engagements.
But ofcourse with your experience and god like stature I'm sure you already understand the pros and cons of the "shotai", "finger four", "Vic", "welded wing" and the "line abreast" formations. Better yet I'm also pretty confident that you know all there is to know about the different tactical doctrines; "loose deuce", "double attack", "modified loose deuce" and "strike-rejoin-strike". So with that I'm really not sure why I'm bothering your majesty with my simple and less than worthy to be in your presence opinions.
One more thing if your so damn good as you claim to be why is it you don't share you wealth of knowledge with the majority? I suppose that would mean you'd have to give up some of your precious time from vulching/gang banging to give back to the community for a change. And ofcourse we wouldn't want that knowledge to spread cause then there might be the minute chance you might actually run into someone who's better than you. Thanks for your contribution to the community.
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"Whats wrong Squire/Warloc did i hit a nerve. You must fit the profile that was previously stated? No one ever said I was elite nor did anyone make even the slightest hint to it."
***I dont' remember seeing that in the last setup. It's funny how any time the Allies got out numbered Axis players would switch to even the odds. Either some here are stupid, full of BS or just plainly biased in favor of the Allied aircraft. Then they have the gull to talk crap when they get a kill in a 3 on 1 situation.***
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...and for the record it was you who started the ch.1 whine after I downed you the second time, which is what little girls do, rather than STFU and take. :)
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And obviously since your going to ignore the rest of my post where exactly did it say or hint that I was elite?
What the fact I pointed out a simple observation that the sides were uneven? I know it may be hard for you to count but take of your shoes if need be and try it sometime. I know adding the whole ratio thing in there might be confusing too since ofcourse you would then have to do a bit more than just adding up the two sides but dividing them too.
And last but not least the fact we have alot of people that talk crap about how they are so good. I don't have to name names. Anyone in the CT or the MA could get you a list of them if you asked nicely. I'm sure the one and only might even be included in that list.
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Yeah I guess your right. A constant 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 doesn't get frustrating now does it. Or even the times when your lucky to find the 1 on 1 and the other person runs for over 4 sectors cause they don't have the b@lls to fight when the odds are even.
Is that being a smart flyer, possibly. Is the the possible sign of someone who's bitten off more than they can chew, possibly. And never have I complained when it's a 1 on 1. Why because if I die I was simply out flown. That takes skill to do(1 vs 1), not the constant gang banging of 3 or more.
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ahhhh.. the more things stay the same, the more they stay the same.
eventually people realize how right i am.
:D
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Cobra take whatever wuss boi says with a grain of salt. He will just go back and edit his posts anyhow.
I take it you missed his unedited reply to you. He went beyond simply calling you "elite". It wasn't after I inferred that he was a "farm boi opportunist" that he edited that post.
He then ranted and went on a personal attack against me and after I replied he edited that as well.
He is pos and knows it.
Storch we are designing the next AH multi-frame scenario. There's a link in my sig, Kurland.
We are trying to finish the map up. Naso will be the Axis Co.
After I get caught up with it I get get back flying regularly. In AH and Il2 FB.
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Originally posted by storch
Batz you are 100% right. You know it, anyone who has ever flown Axis knows it and they know it as well. If you are doing anything I'd be honored to be included. Ignore the pinheads, who needs em. There you guys go bashing Cobra now. Soon he'll get annoyed and say the heck with it and go elsewhere. Then you guys will just have to be contented shooting down the hapless new guys that wander into your sights and virtually High 5ing each other and gazing gleemy eyed at your own wonderfulness. You guys are sad.
What a load. lol
Yeah ... that's it. Whine, gritch, moan and complain .... make up bs to ease your ego .... transfer your own insecurities and pathetic personality flaws onto others and look for sympathy in others like you. You've done it the entire time you've played the CT. You've kept on doing it even after you quit. Then you came back and did it some more. And you're still doing it after quitting again. You'll be doing it until the day you die. Poor widdle Storch. He never did learn how to relax and have fun. Then again, some people love being miserable. Since misery loves company it's good you and Batz are finally a couple.
Now either shaddap and fly or shaddap and go. But shaddap, ya wussy spoiled tard. :D
(bows) Thankya ..... thankyaveramuch.
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eventually people realize how right i am.
Refresh my memory on this one, I may actually agree with you now:D
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Hmmmm . . . let me see if I got this all right:
"You're a ree-tard Billy, face it, you suck, I oughtta come over there and . . ."
"Yeah and what, huh? Gonna sic yer hamster on me nancy boy?"
"No, my hamster hasn't been the same since you raped it, Richard Reetard Ranger."
"You're Richard. Richard Cranium man, get it potato peeler?"
"Did your sister write that joke for you? Tell her to come get her clothes outta my bedroom . . ."
"Why man? Don't they fit? You'd look good in pink panties puke breath . . ."
"Yeah, you're showing yer preferences again Mr. Strait Jacket Material, just like you did at the first thing when you said that stuff and you . . ."
"Yeah, right precious, Marlene said that never happened and she did the first thing that one time that . . ."
"She made it up man, she was always out drunk so how could she . . ."
"Oh yeah, now even Marlene's wrong, you think you know that stuff, but you don't man, you don't know that stuff."
"Yeah, well no. OK?"
Thanks for listening, all the world's eight year olds are now busy throwing sand in each other's faces in the playground so we will be forced to return you to a more worldy and enlightened website:
http://www.engrish.com/
Tune in next week when the Hamster shows up in the panties and everyone worries that Marlene might be right about not mixing cheap, warm Scotch with Orange Soda while jumping on Billy's waterbed.
I think I'll be flying an inferior plane and working on my excuses like:
"I'm spotting AND I broke a nail."
Sakai
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And we have a troller who's "stats" are about as good as his heckling. Keep on trolling. :aok. If they had the right gesture you'd be sure to get it.
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You big on "stats"?
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Sakai! Stopit!!
What do you know anyway Ricardo Cabeza?? :)
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Why not Slash...Many here seem to think numbers tell all. What, it's good for some but not for others?
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Originally posted by Sakai
"I'm spotting AND I broke a nail."
Sakai
Eh ... the nail'll grow back but once you lose your virginity .... :D
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Why not Slash...Many here seem to think numbers tell all. What, it's good for some but not for others?
Banzai! I had fun until the numbers got low and the enemy went strat. That Zeke is a blast. Can't understand anyone NOT having fun in it. :)
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The CT numbers been odd. First went in and it was like 16 to 19. Then less than 5 minutes later alot of Bish logged off. Then like 20 minutes later or so tons of Bish were back and the Knights were low again. The numbers seem to jigsaw as bad as the CTs net status had been doing for the past few weeks.
Other than that it wasn't that bad lots of good fights.
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Not that this matters, but I'd just like to point out that Slash and VF-27, along with Arlo and VF-17 have flown most of the week as IJA/IJN because of the numbers. Two guys and their squads flying axis when this set is "their" squads historical set.
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Grits thats cool of them to do. If we were talking a SEA function then I could see it go the other way. But if we're purely going on which side is our "historical" set then I'd never fly anything but allied myself.
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Yup, I guess my point was that there are non-naval Allied squads that could be providing OPFOR but are not. That is of course their perogative, its their $14.95 after all, but it is rather disappointing with no standing Axis squads anymore.
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I have a dream! A dream where the CT doubles in numbers and three or four dedicated Japanese squadrons form. A dream where the Japanese squadrons just fly and have fun and don't fret the small stuff (in other words ... don't whine).
That's why I'm proposing an auxiliary unit within CAG-44 that is dedicated to making sure the U.S. Navy pilots get quality opposition and newly formed Japanese squadrons get the support they need.
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44TOPGUN.jpg)
Otherwise known as "The 44th Sentai."
No whiners allowed. ;) :aok
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Originally posted by Sakai
Hmmmm . . . let me see if I got this all right:
"You're a ree-tard Billy, face it, you suck, I oughtta come over there and . . ."
"Yeah and what, huh? Gonna sic yer hamster on me nancy boy?"
"No, my hamster hasn't been the same since you raped it, Richard Reetard Ranger."
"You're Richard. Richard Cranium man, get it potato peeler?"
"Did your sister write that joke for you? Tell her to come get her clothes outta my bedroom . . ."
"Why man? Don't they fit? You'd look good in pink panties puke breath . . ."
"Yeah, you're showing yer preferences again Mr. Strait Jacket Material, just like you did at the first thing when you said that stuff and you . . ."
"Yeah, right precious, Marlene said that never happened and she did the first thing that one time that . . ."
"She made it up man, she was always out drunk so how could she . . ."
"Oh yeah, now even Marlene's wrong, you think you know that stuff, but you don't man, you don't know that stuff."
"Yeah, well no. OK?"
Thanks for listening, all the world's eight year olds are now busy throwing sand in each other's faces in the playground so we will be forced to return you to a more worldy and enlightened website:
http://www.engrish.com/
Tune in next week when the Hamster shows up in the panties and everyone worries that Marlene might be right about not mixing cheap, warm Scotch with Orange Soda while jumping on Billy's waterbed.
I think I'll be flying an inferior plane and working on my excuses like:
"I'm spotting AND I broke a nail."
Sakai
ROTFLMAO.
Well Done Sakai:rofl
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Originally posted by Grits
Sakai! Stopit!!
What do you know anyway Ricardo Cabeza?? :)
I know he thinks stats are for dorks.
Sakai
"Bring me the Cabeza of Alfredo Garcia, Ricardo."
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"Since your type has taken the reign of most those events they aren't worth the effort. Cap is bull****. Squads Ops has already past its best days and snapshots have always sucked ass.
Well that stung Batz considering I am the author of Squad Ops and Snapshots. :cool: Oh well, at least some appreciate and enjoy my past efforts and the efforts of the current CM events team of which I am still apart of.
Life goes on.
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CO CM daddog
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.332nd.org/)
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Noses in the wind since 1997.
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Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but does not get you anywhere – Mary E. Glazier, 1918 to Present
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Daddog,
I was made aware of the unintended effect my comments had in causing insult to others who have nothing to do with the squabble between myself and that other guy.
If you go back you will see I edited that post and explained why.
You and I traded emails when my squad dropped out of ToD and I explained that the decision had nothing to do with how the event is run or how it played. I had a lot of fun participating in TOD as a player and as the many times I was able to be the Axis commander.
As to Snapshots I CO'd quite a few and made a point of bringing in new players. In fact for both ToD and Snapshots and early CAP I did as much if not more then anyone to get more players and squads involved. A quick search of this BBS will show that. I did my share of arguing on behalf of those flying with me and when it was clear that I had a differing view I simply moved on.
I apologize if my comment offended you or anyone else that isn't involved in the dispute. My replies to Squire were as result of his insults. He edited his comments after each one of my posts; please check the times of edit. These left my posts somewhat out of context.
I have received a few emails from folks and now your reply here assuming I was directing my comments towards them. In fact they were directed at Squire who has "Aces High CM Team" in his signature not at all past and present CMs.
My statement:
"Since your type has taken the reign of most those events they aren't worth the effort."
Was directed and at him and I stand by it.
Again I apologize if you were offended.
Regards,
Batz / Wotan
ps...
Since your post came well after I edited mine I assume its being discussed on some forum where I don't have access. Please pass my reply from this thread on to where ever that is. If there is anything else that needs discussing my email address is in my sig.
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The two main topics I've caught in here are Variety and Accuracy. I've refrained from responding till now while I sorted out what I really felt.
My first point is along the same lines as Lowe's. The aircraft mix, at times seems to be lacking in variety on several maps or more accurately, the variety on some of the larger maps are not 'fielded' accurately. Were there actually Spits stationed on the other side of the channel? If so, which bases? How many compared to the allied aircraft. I'm not sure if AH supports this or not but the further from commonality a plane is fielded from, why not increase it's points? As far as allied having more of a selection than Lufwaffe, it's going to happen, however, give us the Frank.....to the best of the knowledge, it was used till nearly the end of the war and can be the 'Spit' thrown into the knife fight for the Luftwaffe.
My second point involves the mindset behind the pilots that fly in the CT. Nothing burns my goat more than someone flying an A-20 into a base, boldly bombing everything without reguard to the planes use and then turning around and pretending it's an BF-110 and out turning the knife fighters and playing spit just to spite the game mechanics. I realise that it's a balance in the CT, of those that fly to re-enact and those that fly to 'game the game'. I think a consensus between everyone would cool a lot of tensions in that respect.
A third point, just because I happen to think of it. Part of the frustration that many feel is Aces High isn't the only game they play. They get a taste of realism in many available sims, some of which are modeled very accurately and others are very arcadish but none with the variety or popularity online as Aces High. To quote the second page of the website It's the most diverse virtual arsenal available to players in this genre and it's constantly growing through frequent updates.
I think we are presently lacking in frequent updates and many of the known modeling issues are being moved to the Aces High II model and AH is getting stale from a gameplay perspective.
Splurts
JG3
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Originally posted by Splurts
My second point involves the mindset behind the pilots that fly in the CT. Nothing burns my goat more than someone flying an A-20 into a base, boldly bombing everything without reguard to the planes use and then turning around and pretending it's an BF-110 and out turning the knife fighters and playing spit just to spite the game mechanics.
I agree with you totaly on that one. I doubt that happens in CT only though.
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I appreciate the apology. All forgiven here Batz. I can’t understand why you would make such a broad statement in the first place, but I have tasted my socks more than once. Water under the bridge. I will not bring it up again. I am sorry your having problems with squire. He has done some excellent work in Squad Operations of late. Yet these conflicts are so common between two players who are out spoken and opinionated.
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CO CM daddog
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.332nd.org/)
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Noses in the wind since 1997.
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Old age is when anything new you feel is most likely a symptom.
Unknown
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Originally posted by Splurts
Nothing burns my goat more than someone flying an A-20 into a base, boldly bombing everything without reguard to the planes use and then turning around and pretending it's an BF-110 and out turning the knife fighters and playing spit just to spite the game mechanics.
I'll happily fly level bombers but in too many setups there are none, or only the Ju88/Boston match available. Then the A20 will remain my first choice on the Allied side. Give me a B-26 and I'll happily leave the A20 in the hanger as will most level bomber enthusiast. Besides, the A20 is at a hugh disadvantage in a dogfight making it almost impossible to win in a 1 v 1 but it's still fun and a heck of a thing when you actually shoot someone down.
Never the less, Lowe's original post concerning the lack of varity in the Axis rides is right on. It's the same thing that puts me in an A20 when there are no other bombers available or the Ju88 is too out matched by F6Fs, P47s and P51s.
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Originally posted by daddog
Yet these conflicts are so common between two players who are out spoken and opinionated.
nothing a little DA time can't resolve.
:D
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Hell ... it's generally "DA" time that starts it. :D
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nothing a little DA time can't resolve.
LOL I wish it was that easy. Well... maybe not. I would win few arguments.
:p
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Bear
"I think we get used to thinking whether a plane set is fair, instead of what was historic for the time period of the map involved."
realistic plane sets are meaningless with base capture as the objective.
Almost univeraly the real objective of WW2 aircombat was attrition not the capture of anything.
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You mean Chuck Yeager didn't land his P-51 and capture Goering? :D
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Originally posted by Bear76
I think we get used to thinking whether a plane set is fair, instead of what was historic for the time period of the map involved. If I get killed, I don't blame the plane. I blame the pilot, because I probably did something stupid and deserved to get killed.
Oh man, how did I miss that post Bear? You summarized the exact method to finding happiness in the CT. That, in a few short sentences, is what I do and it is why I have fun in every set we have no matter which side I fly for. The only thing that upsets me is when the odds get way off, not that one side might have a little too "Uber" a plane.
Planesets should NOT[/b] primarily be selected for "balance" (a word that is gradually starting to develope a negative conotation with me), but rather for historic accuracy, or at least as much as the available planes allow. If they are balanced, more to the good, but that SHOULD NOT be the goal.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Why does there need to be? Ain't both A6Ms, the Tony and the George enough versus the F4U-1? That's 4 models versus one. The Hog drivers end up actually experiencing more diversity in the setup though. The IJ pilots know exactly what they'll be facing ... over and over and over and over and over.
But hell ... if it'll take subbing to actually make this work (like in "Second Wind") .. sure ... sub anything for anything. 190s, LA7s and 5s, 110s, Jugs and ponies, P-38s with meatballs painted on em ... sub every single plane modeled in the game except the F4U-1. Paint em up .... ship em out. In this corner the F4U-1. In that corner ... everything else. :D
Well there's no point in having a CT room when most nights - GMT admittedly there's no one there or 4-5 people at most.
Without a bigger planeset I think the problem will remain - 300 people in MA, 8 people in CT - may as well go and play IL2 on Hyperlobby.
Subbing isn't the answer imo - though to be honest am not sure what is....ot wish we had rolling planesets in ma...
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What *I* think HTC should do is add more PTO planes then break up the planesets into different arenas. MA Euro/MA Pac. Then we're halfway there to getting the players into Historic Euro/Historic Pac! THEN ... watch out! SCW! (eg) :D :aok
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biggest reason there arent more peeps in CT is in this thread--MA strikes me as far more layed back
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No, the reason there arent more peeps in the CT is that we rarely have the "Fab Four", IE the P-51D, Spit9, La-7, and Niki. The two most often heard reasons are:
#1-not enough players. This is a good reason, but is predominantly caused by #2.
#2-I dont like the restricted planeset. Translation="I'm to lazy to learn a new plane" or alternately "I dont like not having my favorite crutch plane". Not a good reason.
MA is more laid back? You've got to be kidding?!? Go to the MA and see how many insults there are vs 's on Ch1 and then compare that to how many you see in the CT. Sure there is some Ch1 tard-talk, but its not nearly as common, I'd go so far as to say infrequent even. By contrast, you can not spend any time in the MA without seeing the "2 min drill" of insults replayed every half hour.