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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Larry on January 11, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
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Well that "war" thing was the best idea Iv ever seen:rolleyes: ....
Its fun seeing 30 people in the MA just to find out its 20 to 10 and those 20 are vulching your field. So you try to roll a AA GV only to find Jeep, M3, or M8. Who evers idea this was, youve officially ruined the AvA Iv come to know and love, and turned it in to one big cluster****. You guys have fun getting vluched in your mini MA, Ill be in the MAs where I can get my wheels up before getting ganged by the horde.
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Take your ball and leave already.
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Oh I did slash. Hope you have fun in your dweebarena. Shows what happens when you let some people make changes to an arena.
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bye
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I liked it. Changes are what keep things fun. Sides werent balance but im sure it will go up and down as it goes on.
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Originally posted by Larry
Oh I did slash. Hope you have fun in your dweebarena. Shows what happens when you let some people make changes to an arena.
:cry
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popped in for a bit to see the new idea in action. It really seemed like a mini-MA to me, I guess that's the side effect of making base capture the point to the map. You need to supress the defensive fighters to take the objective. I also miss the theatre based match ups. I looked to the AvA to make for in immersion what it lacked in sheer numbers.
That being said I did have a couple fun sorties mixing it up in a planeset that doesn't see much attention in the MA and the planes seemed to match up very well. While I have some concerns about the format I think I'll give it a few more nights in the arena before I jump to conclusions, after all under the "old" format the AvA had it's up nights and it's down night usually depending on the actions and attitudes of the players populating the arena at any given time.
I wonder if the same format would work and be as successful with a more limited/historical planeset?
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Well, thought the plane match ups were very nice!
The map looked beautiful.
Was a little lopsided it seemed, with the allies having a few more, but that was my opinion; didn't check the numbers.
Did get vulched quite a few times (interesting getting vulched by sbds, and hurris/spits with only 303's... haha
Other then that, had fun. Well give it a few more tried before I judge though.
donkey
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Even if it turns out to be a wash I do appriciate the time and effort of the staff. You guys catch all the blame for everyone else's actions and the change shows you're trying to make it better. I'll give it a chance to straighten out.
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I too appreciate the time and effort put into this set up by the staff. I personally love it and so does the rest of my guys. Thanks............
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It was a hoot, and definitely not a waste of time. Numbers flipped back & forth all night. It was usually more or less balanced. This will be my new addiciton for the foreseeable future! Thank you HTC staff.
Oink
PS-Love the SBD! Never flew it before last night. Cool Bird!
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Any idea that gets rid of TK sounds like a good idea to me. Might have to gather up the squaddies one night to come check it out. What night is the current "most populated" night for the AvA?
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Originally posted by TheBug
Any idea that gets rid of TK sounds like a good idea to me. Might have to gather up the squaddies one night to come check it out. What night is the current "most populated" night for the AvA?
Yea bug you and your squad would fit right in, Since now it takes no skill to get a kill you might be able to actually get a one....or maybe not.
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IMHO overall it is an improvement and from the reaction of the squad members a very enjoyable night. We will be back.
:aok
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My squad and I LOVE the new setup, and though it's a bit of a challange right now, we're looking forward to the weeks ahead when things change slightly due to new aircraft and tactics changing!
Keep it like this forever! There's actually pilots flying there now!
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The members of The Haze had a great time last night. The set up is what we enjoy and we will be back. Thanks to the AvA staff for setting this up and thanks to Oldman for making me understand how bad it is to have a zeke behind my P-40. :eek:
It is nice to see the arena with the numbers that were there and having to worry about land aquisition as well as base defense. The numbers tell the story, great set up and great job.
:aok
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Originally posted by 1cajun
The numbers tell the story, great set up and great job.
The numbers dont mean **** if there arent any fights. Thats what people who never flown in the AvA dont understand. Six people in theres equals great fights 15+ equals to MA tactics, and when you add base capture you get vulching, its sad to see the AvA ruined just because they want more people in there.
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The arena was for the most part a ghost town. When it was populated, with great maps, there was a fight between two bases. It was mostly a glorified dueling arena. I enjoyed flying in there from time to time and the fights were good but the numbers weren't.
This enables a historical plane set and strategy that comes along with it. Base defense being as important as base capture. The split plane set is great too. I can't remember reading about a P-51 getting into a dogfight with a P-38 too often. Of course I could be missing something.
There were a lot of great fights last night and for the most part little HO'ing. As far as vulching a field, I prefer to come up from a distant base and gain some alt. If someone decides to roll from a capped base they deserve to get vulched.
Wether it works or not, we'll see. But I appreciate the staff's efforts.
:aok
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Originally posted by 1cajun
The arena was for the most part a ghost town. When it was populated, with great maps, there was a fight between two bases. It was mostly a glorified dueling arena. I enjoyed flying in there from time to time and the fights were good but the numbers weren't.
As I said before low numbers mean great fights.
Originally posted by 1cajun
This enables a historical plane set and strategy that comes along with it. Base defense being as important as base capture. The split plane set is great too. I can't remember reading about a P-51 getting into a dogfight with a P-38 too often. Of course I could be missing something.
Theres nothing historical about the setups the was they are now.
Originally posted by 1cajun
There were a lot of great fights last night and for the most part little HO'ing. As far as vulching a field, I prefer to come up from a distant base and gain some alt. If someone decides to roll from a capped base they deserve to get vulched.
Where you there last night? It was a total vulchfest. When you rolled from another base you would still be jumped by the horde because the map is so small.
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If I remember correctly, before this setup was initiated...
All a good portion of the AvA regulars did in this forum was complain about some looser HO-tard, or this gang bang, or that ganking, or "that fight was totally unfair because that guy was on my 6".
Now the Arena has some action, it has some purpose, and it has some great fights. If you don't want to get vulched, fly from a field a few miles out. If you don't want to fight more than one opponent, the dueling arena is set up perfect for single fight action.
Seriously though, you can't expect HTC to maintain an arena for under 10 people. This game is designed to be played as a team. If you choose not to participate in that atmosphere then it's gonna be a rough ride.
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The numbers dont mean **** if there arent any fights. Thats what people who never flown in the AvA dont understand. Six people in theres equals great fights 15+ equals to MA tactics, and when you add base capture you get vulching, its sad to see the AvA ruined just because they want more people in there.
:lol
Kinda got them feathers ruffled a little there dont ya TK. If ya just want to dogfight go to the DA Furballing arena. That's all that is done there. And if there is only 6 on during the old AvA that usually ment that at least 3 vs 1 was happening. Say what ya want to but I been there and seen it to many times.
And the vulching thing...are ya just that silly to remember vulching in the old AvA. Man what a poor sport...lol At least with you not in there now wont be nearly as many HO shots being taken.
Personlly I wish ya would stay in there and fly allied. My flying is improving every sortie and would love to meet ya in the air in my zeke and u in a P40. Figured P40 cuz it prob gonna be the better HO crate. :cry
Just a few barks from The Dog
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Originally posted by meandog
Kinda got them feathers ruffled a little there dont ya TK. If ya just want to dogfight go to the DA Furballing arena. That's all that is done there. And if there is only 6 on during the old AvA that usually ment that at least 3 vs 1 was happening. Say what ya want to but I been there and seen it to many times.
This is what I want:
The Axis versus Allies arena is set up for historical gameplay. There is a two sided war, a limited plane set, and reduced radar.
If there were six people in the AvA that would mean it was a 3v3 unless the avengers were on then they wouldnt switch sides to save thier lifes. Youv been here what.. three months? Get back to me when youve flown in there for six or seven years.
And meandog you will never be albe to beat me in a 1v1 EVER, and if you wanna try your luck ask me to the DA anytime you want.
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Originally posted by 1cajun
thanks to Oldman for making me understand how bad it is to have a zeke behind my P-40.
One of the nice features of AvA is that it does give you some idea what the real life experience was like. In this case, it really makes you appreciate the odds faced by American pilots in the Pacific at the beginning of the war. That P40B is an iron pig; it's the only fighter in AH that I think has no hope of ever being useful. Your fights with me demonstrate that; typically you will win any 1 v 1 between us.
As to TrueKill's comments: TK has been an AvA regular for a very long time, and many of the sentiments he expresses are shared by other regulars. On the other hand, there's no question that the numbers are up, and consequently the chances to find some action here are up. Let's stick with this idea for the next month and see how it goes.
TK too.
- oldman
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It can't hurt to try something different. Years ago when it was populated around 50 or so on Tuesdays and Thursdays it was the best flying experiance I could find. The arena changed, in settings and atmosphere.
Now it seems it's changing back a bit to the old way, or at least giving some of the old things like base capture a try. Even with this like OM said..
"One of the nice features of AvA is that it does give you some idea what the real life experience was like. "
This is a much better experiance than the chess peice wars in the MA's
I applaud the AVA staff for trying something different. I'm sick of ther LWA and would love to see a populated AVA again.:aok
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It's my hope that once the dweebs, squeakers, and armchair generals will soon tire of the limited planeset and go back to the MA. The AvA has, in the past, the best arena to fight in, and it would be great to see some new faces. I joined AH after 1 night in the AvA during my trial. The AvA staffmembers have the unenviable task of maintaining an arena of hardcore players who can be difficult at times.
However, the AvA rules should be enforced by the AvA staff members, ESPECIALLY now that we have so many new pilots who have never flown in the AvA before. fair and balanced aircraft engagements. Vulching is frowned upon as is spawn camping. All players are expected to behave in a polite and chivalrous manner. Rude heckling and insulting behavior will not be tolerated by any AvA staff.
Either those are the rules, or they aren't. Once squad can't follow the rules while another doesn't... Pilots who are breaking the rules, whether accidentally or willfully, should be corrected...if necessary...ejected from the arena.
The AvA is about living history for a brief moment in time...the MA is about points and getting your name in pretty lights. If the AvA doesn't have some semblance of rules of conduct, it's just a MA with country specific planesets...if we lose our soul to gain a few numbers...what's the point?
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Gentlemen,
For several RL reasons, 249 Sqn still had no opportunity to participate in this event. Our debut will be on Sunday, 13, 22:00 GMT (Zulu).
For what we have read in all threads, it looks like our Staff has hit the nail right in the head!
On behalf of 249, I say: thank you AvA Staff! And thank you to all pilots that, individually or with his squadrons, commited themselves into this event! Thank you all!
Sparrow
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IMHO, AvA should go back to the way it was.
I havn't played in the arena, but if its turning into a mini-MA, i'm not interested anymore. I go to the AvA for really good fights, and a break from MA play.
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I flew in the new set up and thought it a rather ingenious solution. I like it the way it is now, other than at the time I was on the axis was out numbered. But that was not the set up's fault. :aok
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Love it!
Shame there's always someone to ***** even though they don't want to be a part of it.
Onward and upward guys!!!!
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Its tough to make a setup that appeases everyone. Some want a good fight, others want a good battle. The good thing is the game provides enough setups to cover the bases.
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I've been asking for this setup for years and it's about time. I never got into those scenario's. This is what I envisioned AvA should be about, but the only thing I would change is bring all the planes, but limit the type and era to the size of the airfield. Large field you can up all the planes and panther and sherman, medium field 1942-1943 planes, tiger tank and T-34, small field 1939-1941 planes and current vehicles. Why not put Aircraft carrier too??? Russians and Italians planes should be available to both sides since they actually did fight with Axis and Allies, but follow the year and the size of the airfield.
I don't expect to follow exactly to the history, but as long as I don't have to shoot a spit or mustang in my mustang, I'll be a happy camper.
I don't know why people are saying the current 'War' is a mini-MA, because really even the old AvA was always a mini- MA, but with a small number of flyers.
Thanks AvA. Look for me
New CPID Mungadai (and I might look for a squad to join)
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Originally posted by republic
However, the AvA rules should be enforced by the AvA staff members, ESPECIALLY now that we have so many new pilots who have never flown in the AvA before.
Either those are the rules, or they aren't. Once squad can't follow the rules while another doesn't... Pilots who are breaking the rules, whether accidentally or willfully, should be corrected...if necessary...ejected from the arena.
The AvA is about living history for a brief moment in time...the MA is about points and getting your name in pretty lights. If the AvA doesn't have some semblance of rules of conduct, it's just a MA with country specific planesets...if we lose our soul to gain a few numbers...what's the point?
New setup, new rules.
Once base capture becomes a goal, vulching for field suppression is a requirement that goes with it. Now, vulching at a field with no intention of capturing it is something else while distracting the opponents at a rear base, well :p :lol
The rules that still apply have to do with respectful behavior, but I wish that should go without saying.
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The current setup beats the hell out of MA or an empty AVA. Great fun!:aok
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Originally posted by hrdhrd
Love it!
Shame there's always someone to ***** even though they don't want to be a part of it.
Onward and upward guys!!!!
Kinda like you guys whineing because you couldnt milkrun bases. Well looks like you guys got your wish.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Larry
Kinda like you guys whineing because you couldnt milkrun bases. Well looks like you guys got your wish.:rolleyes:
I thought you left?:huh
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Originally posted by Slash27
I thought you left?:huh
Wow you're thinking, thats a big step forward for you.
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:cry
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its ok
.....Hopes he doesnt notice the "Im a bed wetter" sign I put on his back....
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Now that Iv cleaned all the sand from my vagina, has anyone steped forward as the Axis Commander?
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Originally posted by Larry
Now that Iv cleaned all the sand from my vagina, has anyone steped forward as the Axis Commander?
:rofl
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I love my goony bird, lol.
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not yet.
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AATalon stepped up to the plate in one of these posts. Haven't heard if it's official though.
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Ill be the axis C/O if its still open, and stang I pwn joo in dat g00n!!
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uh oh...the main man (or girl) that is against this new arena is stepping up for commander. Who's hiding what up under there fur? lol
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I think that's awesome. Seems like the setup is growing on people and that's a great thing!
Hopefully someone steps up as Allied Commander. I'd do it but I have no knowledge base to add and I'm afraid there'd be some serious ownage from TK and the Axis side.
Not that i'm afraid of getting owned, I just would hate to have allied pilots shooting at me as well as axis ones!
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Why don't we have one of the Staffers as the interim acting Commander until someone steps up. I also believe having one Commander is pointless because that person can't play all the time. You need to have XO, and start a chain of command..etc....etc...
For the Staffers you've got to introduce new planes every other day. Dragging this war with limited set of planes will kill this arena.
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If I remember right, I think more planes will be added over time in accordance with how quickly the objectives are met by either side. But it is stated in the write up how the planes will be introduced.
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I'm not even back in the game, yet, and I got Larry (Truekill? Really?) pegged as lonely, misuderstood and starved for attention. Anyone else wouldn't drag out a stage death to three full acts. :D
p.s. How can you be Axis C.O. when you surrendered the first ten seconds into the war? :cool:
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The numbers were a little unsettling. Although I agree its not what the AvA should be I do applaud the effort of the staff. I will not blast the effort but it has turned into a little MA. I am not the one to say it is good or bad. That being said I do not like it. I will continue the effort of flying 6 v 20 only for the pure enjoyment of CRUSHING THE HORDE. The ANTI_HORDE has found its way into the AVA.
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Jamusta,
I've been in this AvA war when the bish are the hoard and when the rook are the hord and lucky enough when the big numbers were even. So isnt it a bit schisophrenic to compalin about "HOARDS"? The numbers are extreamly fluid if you have a bit of pateince to wait for the shift to even or your favor.
So are you only complaining about hoard when it's not your side thats the hoard? Same question to all of you complaining about the hoard. I noticed no one from the bish complaining when they were 25 to 12 and rolling over the rook defence with impunity. I learned to hate AM6 and 109E back shooters during that. An hour later sides evened up and I was killing AM6 and 109E again. Oh! and no one on the JG54 complained on 200 that the sides were uneven while they stomped the rooks to the curb.
If this is a war with objectives, then doesn't that then dictate we fly as if we are at war? Pigs on the Wing agreed to fly allies. We have caught our fair share of hoard. But we keep upping and fighting. Isn't that the real test of honor and game play?
We gave our word
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Bustr the fact that you would mention that shows you are not in AvA much when I am. I switch sides repeatedly to even numbers so i deserve the right to complain. I assure you that if it 25 to 12 in favor for axis I am allied.
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Thats ok we didn't have a choice and weathered the hoard thinking it is part of the requiremnt of this war. Or so that was out of understanding what we signed up to do. Stay on one side for the duration of the war. Or did we misunderstand the original request by the war creators?
So for this war are we supposed to sign on to a side for the duration? Or can we hop over to the bish when it's 25 to 12 to give our kesters a rest from the 20mm whoopin they take? My squad took a vote on which side to sign up knowing we could get hoarded at times based on the war rules we thought we read.
It's not always a picnic leaving all 2600 .303 in enemy planes or all my .50 on snap shots running from multiple AM6 and having to run home with no kills. This seems to parallel some of the allied frustrations in 1940-41.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm not even back in the game, yet, and I got Larry (Truekill? Really?) pegged as lonely, misuderstood and starved for attention. Anyone else wouldn't drag out a stage death to three full acts. :D
p.s. How can you be Axis C.O. when you surrendered the first ten seconds into the war? :cool:
Hmm, if you're not even in the game, but come here to post about people who are... Maybe your attention starved Arlo.:p
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Well now im confused. I was just told in ava after switching that i cant switch back for 40 min. Is this true. And if we are suppose to be on 1 side for duration then I will shut me trap. and go back axis
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That is a problem Jamusta, I don't see the harm in being able to switch sides quicker. It would help those interested in balancing out the arena do so. I know some may worry about spies, but sometimes the side balance gets out of whack quickly. It might be better to allow switching say at 10 mins?
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I think the point of signing up for a side was to kind of curb the switching, and give a "team" feel to things. Though I'm always happy when someone switches to make the teams more even...I do understand if they don't.
After all it's what we signed up for. Stay flying for your side, earn the medals you deserve. I certainly won't complain about the uneveness, you just have to fly smarter and have better SA.
I'd hope that spying would be something we wouldn't see here.
Though that might be a lofty expectation. =)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Hmm, if you're not even in the game, but come here to post about people who are... maybe [you're] attention starved, Arlo.:p
Well ... could be. But I believe my drama isn't nearly as overcompensational. :D
"You people here are all 'doody-heads' for trying this. I'm disgusted and leaving!"
"And I'm still disgusted ..."
"And still disgusted ... "
"Don't tell me to move on .... "
"I'm just flat disgusted .... "
"I volunteer to be Axis C.O.!"
Hmmmmm .... maybe I could pull it off!
:D
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I also was under the impression that once you signed to a side you stayed with that side. How are they going to award medals and such if everyone keeps jumping around?
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I would suggest making all such event designs somewhat fluid rather then rigid .... requiring less rigid thought process in certain aspects of design, anyhow (for practical reasons). The war can still be won or lost by one side or the other but the players can still move about and the medals can be awarded for specific achievements on either side. This leaves room for both the conventional wargamer, who could pick a side, even a unit (for a time) and stay statically immersed to try to enjoy a specific "character career" (if you will) ... and ... the player who wants to experience some diversity throughout the campaigns as they unfold (perhaps even being the sort who volunteers to switch sides, for balance sake, on a regular basis anyhow and merely enjoys the game for it's mere dogfighting qualities).
I don't really see pre-registration for the entire event as critical as, say, a good design involving an evolving war. Have what the players do in game affect the industrial and development aspects of their opponent's side as each month (or season or year) of the war unfolds (in each theater). Bombing certain factories could slow production .... or create a setback in developing the next fighter or bomber or tank to be released. The factories can be delegated for specific duties by the command groups (of course, in secrecy and, most probably, selected due to their difficulty in attacking). Command groups could also dedicate limited information gathering resources to determine the best strategic targets to attack (this could be simulated between groups utilizing online random number "dice" generators for success in determining precidely what factory is working on what).
Personal glory can be custom designed to the player's desire. If they are dedicated to making it a win for the Allies or the Axis, their uniform reflects ... well ... uniformity in it's salad. If they are more dedicated to being the ones who fill in (granted, having pretty much no access to the upper level of strategy for one side or the other) then their salad is mixed (tossed, if you will).
Sure, as illustrated, any player that plays "balancer" or prefers such diversity should say so from the beginning and not be part of the command structure or planning group of either side .... and .... conversely .... all players who want to have a role in developing the tactics and strategy of either side should remain loyal to it (unless a "turncoat and traitor" aspect is to actually be incorporated into play).
Argh. So much for kibitzing from the sidelines. Go Navy! :D
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Can you sum that up in a three sentence paragraph?
:D
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Originally posted by soda72
Can you sum that up in a three sentence paragraph?
:D
Only if they're really long run-on sentences (not like they aren't already) and by paragraph you mean one to seven. You remember the alternate reality Pacific thingamajigie, right? :D
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Bomb a factory the other side delegated to fuel production and all bases suffer fuel hits next round. Bomb a factory designated for fighter research and development (specifically the Spit IX) and the Spit IX is delayed being released. Bomb a factory devoted to tank production and they become VERY limited.
(Best I could do.) :D
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that's better....
If you can get rid of some of those words with more than three syllables it will be just right...
:)
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Mongo bomb tank fac - no tank. Mongo bomb fuel fac - no fuel. Mongo bomb Spit fac - no Spit.
Better? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Mongo bomb tank fac - no tank. Mongo bomb fuel fac - no fuel. Mongo bomb Spit fac - no Spit.
Better? :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Arlo
Mongo bomb tank fac - no tank. Mongo bomb fuel fac - no fuel. Mongo bomb Spit fac - no Spit.
Better? :D
"Mongo only pawn....in game of life"
:aok
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We seriously need to let this thread die, and move it onward to it's own very special, esteemed, and worthy spot.
AvA has almost come full circle since I started in WB/AH all those years ago. The current (as of Sunday, Jan 14th, 08) set-up is a joy to fly in... IMHO of course, which is shared by our squadron the 353rd SLYBIRD, the 68's and a score or more other pilots in there recently!
Let's keep AvA alive and well. Please.
:aok
PS Larry has no idea what fun it is in there. That ain't the MA where it's Typhoon versus P-51 bub! This is Axis v Allies Good v Evil Kraut/Jap v Brit/Yank and I for one am having a ball!
PPS I ask you, "What kind of moron keeps upping from a field that's being vulched?" oops, was that my out loud voice?
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hehehehe gotta watch the inner monologe! Didn't know medals can be awarded in there. Good to know.
Now repeat after me. "I will not leave my wingman....I will not leave my wingman.....I will not leave my wingman........
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Originally posted by apcampbell
hehehehe gotta watch the inner monologe! Didn't know medals can be awarded in there. Good to know.
Now repeat after me. "I will not leave my wingman....I will not leave my wingman.....I will not leave my wingman........
Okay Wingy... where were you last night?
:noid
Dude, your wife needs to start taking naps and stuff so you can have at the PC, ya know?
:aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
p.s. How can you be Axis C.O. when you surrendered the first ten seconds into the war? :cool:
We can make him the Vichy commander.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by apcampbell
hehehehe gotta watch the inner monologe! Didn't know medals can be awarded in there. Good to know.
Now repeat after me. "I will not leave my wingman....I will not leave my wingman.....I will not leave my wingman........
lol sounded like me last night :confused:
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
We can make him the Vichy commander.
ack-ack
Now that was funny. And perfect. :D
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
"Mongo only pawn....in game of life"
:aok
(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5295/melnn5.jpg)
Hehehe
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Haven't seen this much action in the AvA forum in a long time. Might have to check it out.